Character Discussion Thread

[ZeldaMaster]

That's true, yes, but considering Zeldamaster has the tendency to insult people he disagrees with, I think that classifies as hissy fits. You and Burruni were debating, you weren't twisting my words from 'considered to be the mascot' to 'is the mascot'

Yes, because Greninja has a LEGENDARY legacy. Indie games are very popular. Shantae has a much larger legacy with Nintendo than Snake could even dream of having

Is Greninja third party though? I agree, Greninja doesn't have a legacy (neither do Dark Pit, Lucina, Lucas, etc), but again, I beg the question, is he third party? No. Therefore the same criteria doesn't not apply to him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is Greninja third party though? I agree, Greninja doesn't have a legacy (neither do Dark Pit, Lucina, Lucas, etc), but again, I beg the question, is he third party? No. Therefore the same criteria doesn't not apply to him.

Your criteria is 'super awesome character non gamers will recognize' Snake. ****, Shulk isn't recognizable, his game sold poorly and casuals were introduced to Xenoblade by a certain youtuber. Remember the image I believe Burruni showed you about the eshop stuff? Shantae was advertised by Nintendo. She was the only non Nintendo character on that thing. By saying "Doesn't apply because Nintendo" you could argue Rattata has a larger history as a gaming icon and likely. Or Juju. Or Grill. Or Goku

 

[A Distant Demon]

Metroid as a part of the big 3? yeah no lol.

Anna the mascot of Fire Emblem? not really. a popular recurring character sure. without smash maybe she would be but melee + brawl pretty much cemented Marth as the face of FE.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Metroid as a part of the big 3? yeah no lol.

Anna the mascot of Fire Emblem? not really. a popular recurring character sure. without smash maybe she would be but melee + brawl pretty much cemented Marth as the face of FE.

Wait, if Marth is only considered such because Smash, then that's not really a good argument to me. Besides, Anna's the series mascot...As far as the fandom concerns. ****, it's even on Tvtropes twice, as Anna's little biograph thingy and as a trope she's listed. Tvtropes moderates that stuff.


I think we should have a topic that DOESN'T involve arguments. Chibi Robo or Ray MK II/Ray MKIII, who would you rather have as a robot in smash?

 

[A Distant Demon]

Wait, if Marth is only considered such because Smash, then that's not really a good argument to me. Besides, Anna's the series mascot...As far as the fandom concerns. ****, it's even on Tvtropes twice, as Anna's little biograph thingy and as a trope she's listed. Tvtropes moderates that stuff.


I think we should have a topic that DOESN'T involve arguments. Chibi Robo or Ray MK II/Ray MKIII, who would you rather have as a robot in smash?

it isnt JUST smash though. and not the entire fandom beleives that. many people believe it is marth as well in the fandom. and if your source is TVtropes then I dont know what to tell you other than the argument is weak.

Ray looks cooler but I would probably enjoy Chibi more so the the little guy with the plug.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I think we should have a topic that DOESN'T involve arguments. Chibi Robo or Ray MK II/Ray MKIII, who would you rather have as a robot in smash?

Chibi-Robo. Because he was pretty cool in SSF2.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

it isnt JUST smash though. and not the entire fandom beleives that. many people believe it is marth as well in the fandom. and if your source is TVtropes then I dont know what to tell you other than the argument is weak.

Ray looks cooler but I would probably enjoy Chibi more so the the little guy with the plug.

Fair enough, I was only saying don't use Smash as an argument. You blew me the **** out tho. I myself consider Anna the mascot oh so slightly over Marth

Chibi Robo seems to be the more popular choice. Hoping that ZipLash isn't a one time thing really, that gives 2 potential moves, Simon Robo whip and Amiibo Power

 

[A Distant Demon]

Fair enough, I was only saying don't use Smash as an argument. You blew me the **** out tho. I myself consider Anna the mascot oh so slightly over Marth

Chibi Robo seems to be the more popular choice. Hoping that ZipLash isn't a one time thing really, that gives 2 potential moves, Simon Robo whip and Amiibo Power

with an amiibo being made letting Chibi fall as a one time thing would be highly foolish on nintendo's part. If you completely re-brand a series you're going to want to keep it going after that because that is the point of a re-branding. I would be extremely surprised to not see a sequel after ziplash

 

[StormC]

Real quick, here are my thoughts on the matter: representation is a good guideline, but not an end all be all. Kirby having three characters in Brawl and Donkey Kong having two isn't an outrage. But I can't find myself justifying at this point Fire Emblem having four unique characters and two clones. I could easily pick a half dozen or so group of Pokemon that are all iconic and recurring and add them to Smash, but that doesn't mean I should when the series already has many fighters in the game and there are many other Nintendo characters that could be added. Fire Emblem doesn't even show up on the list of best selling video game franchises, the lowest selling of which being 5 million. There's a point where it gets out of hand. It's just not reflective in the least of the series' actual standing in Nintendo.

Anna could definitely be an interesting fighter, but that applies to many, many characters. Smash character choices would be impossible if there weren't guidelines besides "they would be a unique character." There's always more to it.

I feel like Smash fans are too quick to jump on the new hot thing. Let Fire Emblem cool off and maybe it'll continue its success by the next Smash game. I mean... when Other M first was revealed, people thought it was gonna launch the Metroid series into a new age of prosperity.

On a side note, I'd definitely be happy to see Chibi-Robo join the battle. His design is adorable and unique, and would certainly be a creative fighter. I'm keeping an eye on the 3DS game (and Amiibo) for sure.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

highly foolish on nintendo's part

Wouldn't be the first time really. As much as I love Nintendo that's something I'm not denying. I'm hyped for Ziplash, looks incredibly fun and more appealing to kids too. Would you rather play a game with a cleaning robot or a robot that beats up baddies with his plug?

That's pretty well spoken of you Storm

 

[BluePikmin11]

Representation is probably important in the base game since you're limited to a certain amount of choices for the main roster for everyone to play as (especially when you are releasing two versions at the same time), but now that the game is out, I don't think it matters anymore.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Representation is probably important in the base game since you're limited to a certain amount of choices for the main roster for everyone to play as (especially when you are releasing two versions at the same time), but now that the game is out, I don't think it matters anymore.

If representation mattered we'd likely have at least Dixie AND K.Rool by now honestly

 

[BluePikmin11]

He's not going to add anyone for the sake of representation.

 

[StormC]

Representation is probably important in the base game since you're limited to a certain amount of choices for the main roster for everyone to play as (especially when you are releasing two versions at the same time), but now that the game is out, I don't think it matters anymore.

it's not like they have infinite time to develop Smash DLC, though. Eventually they're going to stop and break the team up.

He's not going to add anyone for the sake of representation.

Outside of a few characters like Ike, Greninja, and clones, I don't think he's ever done this, anyway.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He's not going to add anyone for the sake of representation.

First of all, I miss quotes. Second, you aren't Sakurai, for all we know he makes everyone at Nintendo hold the name of Nintendo characters and make the play musical chairs for finishing touches.
Yeah. Dixie and K.Rool wouldn't be added. Sakurai added Nosferatu to Robin to represent Dark Magic, so it's half false

 

[BluePikmin11]

He added those characters because of their unique characteristics, and also because he had the time to make clones for Smash 4.

First of all, I miss quotes. Second, you aren't Sakurai, for all we know he makes everyone at Nintendo hold the name of Nintendo characters and make the play musical chairs for finishing touches.
Yeah. Dixie and K.Rool wouldn't be added. Sakurai added Nosferatu to Robin to represent Dark Magic, so it's half false

Definitely wouldn't go with that notion at all.
Also what does Nosferatu have to do with representation?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He added those characters because of their unique characteristics, and also because he had the time to make clones for Smash 4.


Definitely wouldn't go with that notion at all.
Also what does Nosferatu have to do with representation?

I was joking a bit, but how would you think of G&W or ROB?
Robin can't use Nosferatu as a Tactician. The loading screen even points it out. Sakurai also literally said it was to represent dark magic, so your claim on representation isn't entirely true

 

[A Distant Demon]

I was joking a bit, but how would you think of G&W or ROB?
Robin can't use Nosferatu as a Tactician. The loading screen even points it out. Sakurai also literally said it was to represent dark magic, so your claim on representation isn't entirely true

retros are always bad ideas for examples as retros tend to be exceptions anyway

also semantics about the dark mage. representing a class != representing a series

 

[BluePikmin11]

This is about franchise representation. ;P

I wouldn't say their inclusion was solely for representing an important piece of Nintendo history, it's also their unique qualities that make them distinct from current fighters in the game.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

retros are always bad ideas for examples as retros tend to be exceptions anyway

also semantics about the dark mage. representing a class != representing a series

That wasn't about representation but about the musical chairs joke

representation non the less, could have a dark mage as an AT, like Henry

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Chibi Robo > Ray.

No exceptions.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Awww...I like Chibi Robo too, don't get me wrong but Ray isn't getting any love.

 

[StormC]

He added those characters because of their unique characteristics, and also because he had the time to make clones for Smash 4.

Ike doesn't have any unique characteristics. He's a sword fighter with different sword moves than Marth (with some overlap in a few specials). Greninja was chosen because Sakurai wanted an XY Pokemon and he was one of the very few that was already created by that timeframe. By his account, all he had to go off of was a sketch and he made most of his moves up.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know, I'm aware that I'm about to act like a spoiled brat...But I don't think Kid Icarus should get more representation in Smash until they add Lightning Battle. That's easily one of the best tracks in the game

 

[BluePikmin11]

He also made an important emphasis on uniqueness in Pokemon criteria too. You should take a second look.

Ike also wields the heavy Ragnell that gives him a unique play style on being one of the more powerful sword fighters in the game.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He also made an important emphasis on uniqueness in Pokemon criteria too. You should take a second look.

Ike also wields the heavy Ragnell that gives him a unique play style on being one of the more powerful sword fighters in the game.

If he holds the heavy as **** Ragnell with one hand then I don't think that's a good way to show it's heavy. Snake does get scared ****less by that fact, but if you're saying the sword itself is meant to emphasize it, then it's not that good of a job

 

[A Distant Demon]

You know, I'm aware that I'm about to act like a spoiled brat...But I don't think Kid Icarus should get more representation in Smash until they add Lightning Battle. That's easily one of the best tracks in the game

yeah but lightning battle (and every other Air track) wasnt meant for looping because of how the music melds with the action. EX the crescendo as you fly UP the wall in chapter 2

we DID get the thunder cloud temple which is essentially a looped remix.

of course a lightning battle remix made for looping would be fantastic.

 

[StormC]

He also made an important emphasis on uniqueness in Pokemon criteria too. You should take a second look.

Ike also wields the heavy Ragnell that gives him a unique play style on being one of the more powerful sword fighters in the game.

He regardless added a new Pokemon that didn't exist yet so he could represent the new games.

And Ike's gameplay isn't reflective of anything unique the character actually does in POR, mechanically speaking.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

yeah but lightning battle (and every other Air track) wasnt meant for looping because of how the music melds with the action. EX the crescendo as you fly UP the wall in chapter 2

we DID get the thunder cloud temple which is essentially a looped remix.

of course a lightning battle remix made for looping would be fantastic.

Dark Pit's theme plays when in air battles and loops. Some tracks had parts cut off. Some tracks didn't sound like they could be looped well. I don't see the issue here

 

[BluePikmin11]

The reason he probably has a Pokemon criteria in the first place is that there are so many potential candidates that could be used for playability, all of them having distinct characteristics from each other. He didn't do it just to represent and promote the upcoming games. There is no just reason in adding characters. It's why I will continuely expect more new Pokemon additions in future games until Pokemon dies off or miraculously has no Pokemon (from the newest generation) that warrants playability.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's why I will continuely expect more new Pokemon additions in future games until Pokemon dies off or miraculously has no Pokemon that warrants playability.

Pokemon will never die out, 2nd best selling Nintendo IP. Considering Pokken's a thing, that can be used

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Awww...I like Chibi Robo too, don't get me wrong but Ray isn't getting any love.

Everybody loves Raymond!

Wait, were not talking about Ray Barone?

 

[Deleted member]

Part of me feels that even if the franchise doesn't die down anytime soon, that there will be considerably less new Pokémon additions in the future, to maybe even a point where there's a Generation that introduces no new Pokémon at all.

Think about it, after having at minimum of 100 new Pokémon per Generation, X/Y introduced only 72.
Granted, Mega Evolutions became a thing, so the new Megas are sort of like newer Pokémon, but still.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Part of me feels that even if the franchise doesn't die down anytime soon, that there will be considerably less new Pokémon additions in the future, to maybe even a point where there's a Generation that introduces no new Pokémon at all.

Think about it, after having at minimum of 100 new Pokémon per Generation, X/Y introduced only 72.
Granted, Mega Evolutions became a thing, so the new Megas are sort of like newer Pokémon, but still.

I agree with this, and want to see it happen. I've been a Pokemon fan all my life, and have played every generations game, but when people start to mention Pokemon that I don't recognize the name of? I think it's starting to get a bit ridiculous. I'm hoping for a game that takes place with no new Pokemon, no new region, but a whole new story.


In terms of the whole Fire Emblem has too many characters idea, I think it may have to do with the fact that the series has so many characters, and Sakurai has taken a liking to quite a few of them. (Similar to how Pokemon is) If Roy does become playable, I don't think Sakurai would have him like Marth and Lucina, either he'd be a "clone" like Wolf is to Fox or he will be his own original character.

Don't forget guys, this is Sakurai. He doesn't care much about popularity and by sales who deserves to be in or not. This is not only supposed to be fun for us, but for him as well, and if he ultimately doesn't want something, you can't make him do it. It's like visiting a friend's house and not following their rules. He's the creator, who cares what you think?

 

[TimidKitsune129]

Part of me feels that even if the franchise doesn't die down anytime soon, that there will be considerably less new Pokémon additions in the future, to maybe even a point where there's a Generation that introduces no new Pokémon at all.

Think about it, after having at minimum of 100 new Pokémon per Generation, X/Y introduced only 72.
Granted, Mega Evolutions became a thing, so the new Megas are sort of like newer Pokémon, but still.

It could happen, though I really doubt they are gonna make a new gen with no new Pokemon in it.

It's true that X/Y introduced the fewest Pokemon of any Gen, but I think the reason for that was more so because this was their first step to 3D for the main Pokemon games. I think making new Pokemon for past Generations prior to Gen VI was a lot easier to do because they already had a main formula set by Red/Blue/Green that they would use for future games, not to mention that Pokemon were mostly sprites, which I think are far easier than models. In this new Gen, however, they experimented with 3D and so, had to change a lot of things, mainly model the world and 700+ Pokemon rather than using sprites. This may explain why they are very few Pokemon in this Gen, they had to make everything from scratch as they moved on to a new direction. I wouldn't be surprised if we have more than 100+ Pokemon again for the next Gen now that they have something that they are more familiar with.

I'm just rambling at this point~ >w<;;

I may be completely wrong on how this whole thing works or I completely overlooked something, but I just felt like saying what was on my mind. Feel free to correct me. :3

And I'm off~

 

[Aetheri]

I agree with this, and want to see it happen. I've been a Pokemon fan all my life, and have played every generations game, but when people start to mention Pokemon that I don't recognize the name of? I think it's starting to get a bit ridiculous. I'm hoping for a game that takes place with no new Pokemon, no new region, but a whole new story.

A game with no new pokemon no new region but a whole new story?...like Black2/White2?

Thing is, what makes a new generation? The new pokemon that appear are one of the factors that attracts people to the game, having a new region gives the player a new area to explore as well as introducing people to new characters such as new gym leaders and champions (admittedly the 'evil team' is getting pretty stale)

 

[StormC]

One of my biggest disappointments with XY is that there were so few new Pokemon. Keep making them. I can't get enough.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I think we should have a topic that DOESN'T involve arguments. Chibi Robo or Ray MK II/Ray MKIII, who would you rather have as a robot in smash?

I think we should have a topic that DOESN'T involve arguments.

DOESN'T involve arguments.

huehuehue

Chibi-Robo for sure. He's adorable.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Prediction Roster before the direct:

 

[StormC]

Give me a hat to eat if we get any third parties besides Ryu and maybe Snake as DLC.

EDIT: Who is that in the bottom right?