Character Discussion Thread

[Kenith]

Give Dorf an M. Bison costume.

I was originally going to list Akuma and M. Bison because I thought M. Bison was a better fit, but didn't want to be criticized.
How wrong I was.

 

[Zzuxon]

Wolf, Fire Emblem characters, Dark Samus, hunters, etc. I'm glad you aren't Sakurai

I'm confused. Who are hunters? What is wrong with the Fire Emblem characters?
I understand your objections to Dark Samus and Wolf, but the first 2 confuse me.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm confused. Who are hunters? What is wrong with the Fire Emblem characters?
I understand your objections to Dark Samus and Wolf, but the first 2 confuse me.

The Metroid Prime Hunters?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm confused. Who are hunters? What is wrong with the Fire Emblem characters?
I understand your objections to Dark Samus and Wolf, but the first 2 confuse me.

Metroid's hunters, i.e Rundas, Sylux, Ghor, Trace, etc. I don't believe we got Ike and Robin just because of recency and uniqueness. IS suggested Ike, who, for a matter of fact, is easily one of, if not THE most popular Lord. Robin was also pretty damn popular

 

[Zzuxon]

Metroid's hunters, i.e Rundas, Sylux, Ghor, Trace, etc. I don't believe we got Ike and Robin just because of recency and uniqueness. IS suggested Ike, who, for a matter of fact, is easily one of, if not THE most popular Lord. Robin was also pretty damn popular

I kind of thought those guys were who you were talking about. Why would I include them over the main villain of the series (Ridley) and the main villain of the major sub-series (Dark Samus)? They are far less important.
I included Ike because he was the Lord in 2 games, a rare feat for an FE character. This makes him especially important.
Robin was a main character in the FE game that was so successful that it brought the series into the mainstream in the west. This makes FE:A especially important. I chose Robin over Chrom because Robin could also represent Magic in the FE series.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I kind of thought those guys were who you were talking about. Why would I include them over the main villain of the series (Ridley) and the main villain of the major sub-series (Dark Samus)? They are far less important.
I included Ike because he was the Lord in 2 games, a rare feat for an FE character. This makes him especially important.
Robin was a main character in the FE game that was so successful that it brought the series into the mainstream in the west. This makes FE:A especially important. I chose Robin over Chrom because Robin could also represent Magic in the FE series.

Why not have Ridley AND the hunters?
Ike was only in FE10 because he was in Smash.
Bull****, you only chose Robin over Chrom because Sakurai did and you know it, you're even using the same reason

 

[False Sense]

I'm surprised we haven't gotten Fire Emblem DLC costumes for the Mii fighters. I literally cannot think of better costumes for the Swordfighters.

I'd love to see something like a Chrom or a Kamui costume.

I mean, if we can get a Dunban costume, surely this isn't unreasonable?

 

[Zzuxon]

Why not have Ridley AND the hunters?
Ike was only in FE10 because he was in Smash.
Bull****, you only chose Robin over Chrom because Sakurai did and you know it, you're even using the same reason

I can't give Metroid a bazillion characters, there are other series that warrant it more, mostly series that previously didn't have characters.
I'm pretty sure this isn't true, Micaiah has a trophy in Brawl.
My rosters had Robin before he was revealed. I believed Gematsu and thought Chrom would be in but I included Robin anyway because I think Robin has more representative value than Chrom. Sakurai chose Robin because of moveset potential, I chose Robin because he represents something not yet represented.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I can't give Metroid a bazillion characters, there are other series that warrant it more, mostly series that previously didn't have characters.
I'm pretty sure this isn't true, Micaiah has a trophy in Brawl.
My rosters had Robin before he was revealed. I believed Gematsu and thought Chrom would be in but I included Robin anyway because I think Robin has more representative value than Chrom. Sakurai chose Robin because of moveset potential, I chose Robin because he represents something not yet represented.

I didn't say you needed to include ALL the hunters, why not add an extra one? Samus and Ridley isn't exactly pushing it.
Development time for both Smash and FE10 were around the same time iirc
I was not aware of this, nor have you shown proof

 

[Zzuxon]

I didn't say you needed to include ALL the hunters, why not add an extra one? Samus and Ridley isn't exactly pushing it.
Development time for both Smash and FE10 were around the same time iirc
I was not aware of this, nor have you shown proof

Samus, Ridley, Dark Samus, and a hunter would be pushing it. Plus, how would I even choose one when they are all equally important?
Exactly my point, they couldn't have made a major change like adding a new main character in response to a game that was being developed at the same time as them.
In an interview Sakurai said that he chose Robin over Chrom because he found it easy to create a unique moveset for Robin.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Samus, Ridley, Dark Samus, and a hunter would be pushing it. Plus, how would I even choose one when they are all equally important?
Exactly my point, they couldn't have made a major change like adding a new main character in response to a game that was being developed at the same time as them.
In an interview Sakurai said that he chose Robin over Chrom because he found it easy to create a unique moveset for Robin.

Let's ignore Sylux being in 2 games, then you're right
You'd be surprised what kind of things change in development time. I hear trumping was originally going to be in Brawl
Robin has Nosferatu. Why? Sakurai wanted Dark Magic

 

[Arcadenik]

Everyone over-analyzes Sakurai. I cannot think of a statement he hasn't backpeddled on at least a little bit.
Come Smash NX I'm sure we'll see Ridley, Goku, and a gun-toting character.

The only gun-toting character we need is Captain N.

 

[Zzuxon]

Let's ignore Sylux being in 2 games, then you're right
You'd be surprised what kind of things change in development time. I hear trumping was originally going to be in Brawl
Robin has Nosferatu. Why? Sakurai wanted Dark Magic

Sylux is in 2 games? In that case, yes, If I decided to include a hunter I would choose Sylux. However, I still think it is more valuable to give content to Chibi-Robo, Excitebike, Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, Puzzle League, etc. than to give Metroid 4 characters.
Certainly some things change, but adding a new main character is a big deal.
Um, Ok. What's your point?

 

[YoshiandToad]

Bull****, you only chose Robin over Chrom because Sakurai did and you know it, you're even using the same reason

Why wouldn't he pick the character you play as in Awakening, who is one of the tritagonists, central to everything that occurs in the game and has a unique look and abilities that separate him from the others?

Plenty of people wanted Robin(or MyUnit/Avatar/Reflet) over Chrom, if only for something more interesting for a Fire Emblem character than the tried, tested and oversubscribed sword lord archetype that had been in the previous two games.

Gematsu was the main reason Smashboards members at the very least didn't entertain the idea more, not because everyone wanted Chrom, but because Gematsu had killed people's expectations prior to Robin's reveal.

 

[Burruni]

What about Krystal? I'd put her above Dixie in likeliness, maybe even BDee on a good day. Otherwise realistic expectations.

This is a very good roster. The only thing I would do is remove Shantae, because I just don't see her happening.

This is pretty good as well. The only thing I would do is add Bandanna Dee.

Here are my grounds on NOT choosing Krystal.

1) Star Fox as a series is one of which Sakurai clearly has a fairly narrow view. Across 4 games, all but one stage for the series involves you fighting atop the Great Fox in some capacity. I don't see Sakurai doing much special with her, which brings me to my next point.

2) The staff that her big moveset potential would come from is all from an early Gamecube game, the most hated of the series, one that's only tie to Star Fox is being the protagonist and Andross appearing at the end for no reason. It could be seen as irrelevant to who Krystal has become in the Star Fox series.

3) I see more chance for Dixie because she was in some capacity worked on back in Brawl as a 5th choice.

And for Shantae?

She's the only indie with hope imo and while certainly lacking the legacy of 3rd Party choices past and my other addition, it's just an odd gut feeling that she will get in.

The only gun-toting character we need is Captain N.

And most of all

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sylux is in 2 games? In that case, yes, If I decided to include a hunter I would choose Sylux. However, I still think it is more valuable to give content to Chibi-Robo, Excitebike, Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, Puzzle League, etc. than to give Metroid 4 characters.
Certainly some things change, but adding a new main character is a big deal.
Um, Ok. What's your point?

Metroid. One of Nintendo's more popular franchises. Shouldn't have 4 characters if it means Puzzle League gets a character. Nice. The **** would you even do with that game?
If it's VERY early in development it's not necessary a big deal
Robin has Nosferatu to represent Dark Magic despite not being able to use Dark Magic as a Tacticion. Because Sakurai wanted magic

 

[Chandeelure]

I think Sylux was just in Hunters :T
His appearance in Prime 3 is not confirmed.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think Sylux was just in Hunters :T
His appearance in Prime 3 is not confirmed.

That ship was definitely the Delano 7 from the back

 

[Burruni]

I think Sylux was just in Hunters :T
His appearance in Prime 3 is not confirmed.

The ultimate ending iirc had a teaser that COULD be interpreted as a teaser for Sylux but little else.

 

[Chandeelure]

I don't know if I need glasses, but I don't think the ships are that identical XD
Oh well, I don't really care, Sylux would be awesome.

Why his theme and Rundas's are not in Smash?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't know if I need glasses, but I don't think the ships are that identical XD
Oh well, I don't really care, Sylux would be awesome.

Why his theme and Rundas's are not in Smash?

The official artwork shows the ship from the front. Prime 3 shows it from the back

Because Sakurai is a meany when it comes to music I like

 

[Deleted member]

The reason why I use the wing argument is this: Ridley got a slight redesign here. They changed the colour of his chest and gave his wings extra spikes.

So pretty much, you've ignored me ONCE AGAIN.
Spikes on wings/orange chest = aesthetic additions.
Smaller wings = non-aesthetic reductions.

Brawl's artwork of Ridley has him with small wings aswell, and what does it matter if it's the Other M design?

They aren't small. That's perspective. Or is Diddy Kong's tail short, and does Wario really have one hand that's bigger than the other?

Samus still has her power suit with Super Metroid looks, only with Other M added

You cannot be serious.

How is this:

At all Super Metroid style? No, this is strictly Other M based.

You admitted yourself, it was poorly executed, if something's poorly executed, there aren't any excuses. Again, Team Jiggle physics did better, and considering Sakurai said 'It wouldn't be Ridley anymore' then I don't think he should try to compensate by going "Beat up Ridley and he will help"

All "Team Jiggle Physics" did was have Ridley fly in the background, shoot fireballs, and scrape any ring-out fighters into the wall before shooting a fireball in their face.
That's not exactly "better".
Even if the aspect of basically being an Assist that another player can take ownership of was executed poorly, at least Ridley actually gets into the fray himself and is more active of a boss than Yellow Devil and Metal Face.

I'll give you props for Meta Knight, but saying "It's Sakurai's characters so it's okay" is just dumb to me. He doesn't own them nor has he made a Kirby game since Air Ride.

That doesn't matter. He still created them. He has more free reign in what can and can't be done with them in that sense.

Does Dark Pit still have a purple aura when flying? If yes, then he's using Pandora's power to fly, which was his own will.

No. He has a green aura. As in Viridi's giving him Power of Flight.
Which makes sense, considering Smash establishes that he's now part of her army.

Bowser Jr's model has something that outright lets him fly infinitely. By saying they traded lack of flight for weapons...Where's the official statement on that? Otherwise it's meaningless.

It's only a theory on my part, but considering that:
a. The Koopalings were given their own mass-produced Clown Cars (stated in-game) that aren't present in any Mario game.
b. The Jr. Clown Car has multiple weapons it has never used before, and it's using them in Swiss Army Knife fashion. The Jr. Clown Car has never really been weaponized outside of a submarine mode and a boxing mode.
c. Jr. has to eject from the machine as a last-ditch effort to get a boost in height.
The theory makes sense.

And even you want to reject that theory, you can just use the same logic on why Bowser doesn't simply make himself really, really big and outright dominate the competition instead of fighting at his base size; he's fighting fair (or relatively fair considering he's still piloting a fully weaponized murder vehicle). Whenever Bowser (or Jr.) participate in competitions, they play by the rules.
Jr.'s "stay out of range and toss Bob-ombs and fireballs from above" tactics would be breaking the rules. So the trade-off is limited flight capability, increased weapons output.

Charizard may not be shown constantly flying, but the point is, he can fly infinitely, so why can't he here?

In Brawl, just like concept of Meta Knight restricting himself to fight on fair terms, it can be handwaved that the Trainer set limits on his Charizard's flight capability during battles out of fairness.
It wouldn't explain Smash 4 where Charizard doesn't have the Trainer to command him, though considering he's still technically an owned Pokémon (stage entrance has him coming out of a Poké Ball), he could still be following the Trainer's instruction.

Gliding was indeed a mechanic, but that's not flying

....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliding_flight

You mean like how Charizard would only attack by spewing flames to barely doing that now?

....that's not even a valid comparison.
You're comparing something a character was capable of doing that defies the actions of a playable character not being able to do that anymore to something a character was just limited in doing being able to perform a lot more actions as a playable character while still able to do the single action it did while non-playable.

You said Sakurai said 'wings' because it's Other M's design, in Other M, Ridley spent almost all his time on the ground.

Irrelevant point. You would have made a better point using this argument against the "fly around freely" aspect.
The size of Ridley's wings has little to nothing to do with Ridley being more of a grounded fighter in Other M. The wings are still exceptionally large and would have to be adjusted even if Ridley was himself scaled down as shown by the image I posted of Ridley and Giant Bowser on Pyrosphere.

Smash portrayal? I don't see Rayquaza doing all the stuff he did in Brawl.

Other than diving into the ground and hiding in a lake (though it's implied that Rayquaza was in there due to a confrontation with a crash-landing Arwing piloted by Fox), nothing else about Rayquaza really screams at me as something it wouldn't do.

Besides, Falco's playstyle was completely changed

....and?
A cloned character being given changes to be less of a clone holds little relevance to this argument.

Honestly, I only started this because I tried to use it as an argument against Blue.

Which wasn't a good idea in hindsight.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Morrigan lol

Sold!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So pretty much, you've ignored me ONCE AGAIN.
Spikes on wings/orange chest = aesthetic additions.
Smaller wings = non-aesthetic reductions.




They aren't small. That's perspective. Or is Diddy Kong's tail short, and does Wario really have one hand that's bigger than the other?



You cannot be serious.

How is this:

At all Super Metroid style? No, this is strictly Other M based.


All "Team Jiggle Physics" did was have Ridley fly in the background, shoot fireballs, and scrape any ring-out fighters into the wall before shooting a fireball in their face.
That's not exactly "better".
Even if the aspect of basically being an Assist that another player can take ownership of was executed poorly, at least Ridley actually gets into the fray himself and is more active of a boss than Yellow Devil and Metal Face.



That doesn't matter. He still created them. He has more free reign in what can and can't be done with them in that sense.



No. He has a green aura. As in Viridi's giving him Power of Flight.
Which makes sense, considering Smash establishes that he's now part of her army.



It's only a theory on my part, but considering that:
a. The Koopalings were given their own mass-produced Clown Cars (stated in-game) that aren't present in any Mario game.
b. The Jr. Clown Car has multiple weapons it has never used before, and it's using them in Swiss Army Knife fashion. The Jr. Clown Car has never really been weaponized outside of a submarine mode and a boxing mode.
c. Jr. has to eject from the machine as a last-ditch effort to get a boost in height.
The theory makes sense.

And even you want to reject that theory, you can just use the same logic on why Bowser doesn't simply make himself really, really big and outright dominate the competition instead of fighting at his base size; he's fighting fair (or relatively fair considering he's still piloting a fully weaponized murder vehicle). Whenever Bowser (or Jr.) participate in competitions, they play by the rules.
Jr.'s "stay out of range and toss Bob-ombs and fireballs from above" tactics would be breaking the rules. So the trade-off is limited flight capability, increased weapons output.


In Brawl, just like concept of Meta Knight restricting himself to fight on fair terms, it can be handwaved that the Trainer set limits on his Charizard's flight capability during battles out of fairness.
It wouldn't explain Smash 4 where Charizard doesn't have the Trainer to command him, though considering he's still technically an owned Pokémon (stage entrance has him coming out of a Poké Ball), he could still be following the Trainer's instruction.


....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliding_flight




....that's not even a valid comparison.
You're comparing something a character was capable of doing that defies the actions of a playable character not being able to do that anymore to something a character was just limited in doing being able to perform a lot more actions as a playable character while still able to do the single action it did while non-playable.


Irrelevant point. You would have made a better point using this argument against the "fly around freely" aspect.
The size of Ridley's wings has little to nothing to do with Ridley being more of a grounded fighter in Other M. The wings are still exceptionally large and would have to be adjusted even if Ridley was himself scaled down as shown by the image I posted of Ridley and Giant Bowser on Pyrosphere.


Other than diving into the ground and hiding in a lake (though it's implied that Rayquaza was in there due to a confrontation with a crash-landing Arwing piloted by Fox), nothing else about Rayquaza really screams at me as something it wouldn't do.


....and?
A cloned character being given changes to be less of a clone holds little relevance to this argument.


Which wasn't a good idea in hindsight.

I don't want to argue about this, especially as I plan on going to bed soon, but when I said Team Ninja did Ridley better, I also meant in terms of design. They used the lighting to make Ridley look more intimidating whereas the stage hazard looks outright ugly. Arguing against Blue is indeed futile, but arguing against you is the dumbest thing, you're a very professional and persistent debater

 

[Deleted member]

Arguing against Blue is indeed futile, but arguing against you is the dumbest thing, you're a very professional and persistent debater

Wow. I wasn't expecting such a compliment. Thank you.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

I'll say it again, I expect to see Nintendo vs Capcom at E3, think of how awesome that would be!

 

[Ivander]

We doing dream SSB5 rosters?

Spoiler: SSB5 Dream Roster

Mario series:





+ as Alternate Character Costumes.
(Semi-Clone/Revamped from Mario)
Yoshi series:

Wario series:
/
Captain Syrup
Donkey Kong series:


Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Legend of Zelda series:





Zelda Newcomer
Metroid series:


Metroid Newcomer
Kirby series:



Bandana Dee
Star Fox series:



Pokemon series:






Pokemon Gen 7/8 newcomer
F-Zero series:

Samurai Goroh
Mother series:
+ Ninten as an Alternate Character Costume.

Giygas
Fire Emblem series:

(Semi-cloned/Revamped from Marth)
+ Priam as an Alternate Character Costume.
/ + Mark(FE7. Both Male & Female) as an Alternate Character Costume.
(Semi-cloned/Revamped from Marth) + Chrom as an Alternate Character Costume
Fire Emblem Newcomer
Game & Watch series:

Kid Icarus series:


(With Dark Pit Staff as Main weapon/Revamped from Pit)
Pikmin series:

(Semi-Clone/Revamped from Olimar)
Gyromite series:

Animal Crossing series:
/
Wii Fit series:
/
Punch Out! series:
/
Xenoblade series:

Xenoblade X Newcomer
Duck Hunt series:

Splatoon series:
Inkling Girl/Inkling Boy/Octoling
Golden Sun series:
Isaac + Matthew as an Alternate Character Costume.
Mysterious Murasame Castle series:
Takamaru
Chibi-Robo series:
Chibi Robo
Devil World series:
Tamagon
Mii Fighters:



Mage
Sonic the Hedgehog series:

Mega Man series:

Pac-Man series:

Street Fighter series(if it's in):
Ryu

Newcomers:
Captain Syrup
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool(Assuming as Post-Smash Ballot DLC Character Return)
Zelda Newcomer
Metroid Newcomer
Bandana Dee
Pokemon Newcomer
Samurai Goroh
Giygas
Fire Emblem Newcomer
Alph(As Alternate Character to New Character)
Xenoblade X Newcomer
Inkling
Isaac(Assuming as Post-Smash Ballot DLC Character Return)
Takamaru
Chibi-Robo
Tamagon
Mii Mage/Spellcaster

New Character Alternates:
Ninten for Ness
Priam for Ike
Mark for Robin
Chrom for Lucina
Octoling for Inkling
Matthew for Isaac

It's not perfect IMO. I can't really do a Dream Roster when we don't know if Roy & Ryu are guaranteed and if there is going to be Post-Smash Ballot DLC, although this Dream Roster has 2 assumed to be from Post-Smash DLC. I figure that once we are sure that all the DLC is out and no more is coming, that'll make this Dream Roster a lot easier to do. So this one is subject to change.
Also, I didn't add any extra 3rd Parties for now, since with the major ones in, the 3rd party choices are bound to be a bit more unpredictable.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Arguing is fun though. That's kind of the point the thread here. :<

 

[Kenith]

Wow. I wasn't expecting such a compliment. Thank you.

This sounds like sarcasm but it's true.

We doing dream SSB5 rosters?

Spoiler: SSB5 Dream Roster

Mario series:





+ as Alternate Character Costumes.
(Semi-Clone/Revamped from Mario)
Yoshi series:

Wario series:
/
Captain Syrup
Donkey Kong series:


Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Legend of Zelda series:





Zelda Newcomer
Metroid series:


Metroid Newcomer
Kirby series:



Bandana Dee
Star Fox series:



Pokemon series:






Pokemon Gen 7/8 newcomer
F-Zero series:

Samurai Goroh
Mother series:
+ Ninten as an Alternate Character Costume.

Giygas
Fire Emblem series:

(Semi-cloned/Revamped from Marth)
+ Priam as an Alternate Character Costume.
/ + Mark(FE7. Both Male & Female) as an Alternate Character Costume.
(Semi-cloned/Revamped from Marth) + Chrom as an Alternate Character Costume
Fire Emblem Newcomer
Game & Watch series:

Kid Icarus series:


(With Dark Pit Staff as Main weapon/Revamped from Pit)
Pikmin series:

(Semi-Clone/Revamped from Olimar)
Gyromite series:

Animal Crossing series:
/
Wii Fit series:
/
Punch Out! series:
/
Xenoblade series:

Xenoblade X Newcomer
Duck Hunt series:

Splatoon series:
Inkling Girl/Inkling Boy/Octoling
Golden Sun series:
Isaac + Matthew as an Alternate Character Costume.
Mysterious Murasame Castle series:
Takamaru
Chibi-Robo series:
Chibi Robo
Devil World series:
Tamagon
Mii Fighters:



Mage
Sonic the Hedgehog series:

Mega Man series:

Pac-Man series:

Street Fighter series(if it's in):
Ryu

Newcomers:
Captain Syrup
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool(Assuming as Post-Smash Ballot DLC Character Return)
Zelda Newcomer
Metroid Newcomer
Bandana Dee
Pokemon Newcomer
Samurai Goroh
Giygas
Fire Emblem Newcomer
Alph(As Alternate Character to New Character)
Xenoblade X Newcomer
Inkling
Isaac(Assuming as Post-Smash Ballot DLC Character Return)
Takamaru
Chibi-Robo
Tamagon
Mii Mage/Spellcaster

New Character Alternates:
Ninten for Ness
Priam for Ike
Mark for Robin
Chrom for Lucina
Octoling for Inkling
Matthew for Isaac

It's not perfect IMO. I can't really do a Dream Roster when we don't know if Roy & Ryu are guaranteed and if there is going to be Post-Smash Ballot DLC, although this Dream Roster has 2 assumed to be from Post-Smash DLC. I figure that once we are sure that all the DLC is out and no more is coming, that'll make this Dream Roster a lot easier to do. So this one is subject to change.
Also, I didn't add any extra 3rd Parties for now, since with the major ones in, the 3rd party choices are bound to be a bit more unpredictable.

I love it when people just add a "Zelda newcomer" to their rosters.
Consequently means every one of them is a good roster because they all have Midna.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wow. I wasn't expecting such a compliment. Thank you.

You're welcome, though I'm blunt and unbiased in most arguments, (I defended Inkling DLC in the Isaac thread once despite disliking the Inklings) I do take notes of things and compliment when it's needed, just like how I'd call my best friends out on bull**** without hesitation

 

[Burruni]

We doing dream SSB5 rosters?

Spoiler: SSB5 Dream Roster

Mario series:





+ as Alternate Character Costumes.
(Semi-Clone/Revamped from Mario)
Yoshi series:

Wario series:
/
Captain Syrup
Donkey Kong series:


Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Legend of Zelda series:





Zelda Newcomer
Metroid series:


Metroid Newcomer
Kirby series:



Bandana Dee
Star Fox series:



Pokemon series:






Pokemon Gen 7/8 newcomer
F-Zero series:

Samurai Goroh
Mother series:
+ Ninten as an Alternate Character Costume.

Giygas
Fire Emblem series:

(Semi-cloned/Revamped from Marth)
+ Priam as an Alternate Character Costume.
/ + Mark(FE7. Both Male & Female) as an Alternate Character Costume.
(Semi-cloned/Revamped from Marth) + Chrom as an Alternate Character Costume
Fire Emblem Newcomer
Game & Watch series:

Kid Icarus series:


(With Dark Pit Staff as Main weapon/Revamped from Pit)
Pikmin series:

(Semi-Clone/Revamped from Olimar)
Gyromite series:

Animal Crossing series:
/
Wii Fit series:
/
Punch Out! series:
/
Xenoblade series:

Xenoblade X Newcomer
Duck Hunt series:

Splatoon series:
Inkling Girl/Inkling Boy/Octoling
Golden Sun series:
Isaac + Matthew as an Alternate Character Costume.
Mysterious Murasame Castle series:
Takamaru
Chibi-Robo series:
Chibi Robo
Devil World series:
Tamagon
Mii Fighters:



Mage
Sonic the Hedgehog series:

Mega Man series:

Pac-Man series:

Street Fighter series(if it's in):
Ryu

Newcomers:
Captain Syrup
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool(Assuming as Post-Smash Ballot DLC Character Return)
Zelda Newcomer
Metroid Newcomer
Bandana Dee
Pokemon Newcomer
Samurai Goroh
Giygas
Fire Emblem Newcomer
Alph(As Alternate Character to New Character)
Xenoblade X Newcomer
Inkling
Isaac(Assuming as Post-Smash Ballot DLC Character Return)
Takamaru
Chibi-Robo
Tamagon
Mii Mage/Spellcaster

New Character Alternates:
Ninten for Ness
Priam for Ike
Mark for Robin
Chrom for Lucina
Octoling for Inkling
Matthew for Isaac

It's not perfect IMO. I can't really do a Dream Roster when we don't know if Roy & Ryu are guaranteed and if there is going to be Post-Smash Ballot DLC, although this Dream Roster has 2 assumed to be from Post-Smash DLC. I figure that once we are sure that all the DLC is out and no more is coming, that'll make this Dream Roster a lot easier to do. So this one is subject to change.
Also, I didn't add any extra 3rd Parties for now, since with the major ones in, the 3rd party choices are bound to be a bit more unpredictable.

Samurai Goroh I don't see happening but I get his sizable popularity out of F-Zero.... let's work on a new game first.
Tamagon I just... don't see working. Japan-exclusive retro? That's what kept Takamaru out this time despite his popularity.
Giygas? Impossible. It's an intangible manifestation of pure fear. The closest thing would be Giegue, his form from Mother 1. Barring lack of moveset potential, Japan-exclusive prequel title, and resemblance to Mewtwo.... I just don't see Mother getting a newcomer period.

Those are the only 3 I can really say anything. =P Captain Syrup... sure, maybe.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think instead of trying to justify why certain characters don't have completely accurate portrayals of themselves in Smash Bros., we need to just remember one thing...this is a fighting game that they intended to balance.

This isn't Kirby, this isn't Pokemon, or whatever. It's Smash Bros. Relatively, all characters will be kept true to form unless they can take liberties here or there. Honestly, although I am a previous supporter of Ridley, I simply don't care about him getting into Smash anymore. Meta Knight, while being able to fly forever in Kirby games, most likely isn't able to in Smash because... it'd be broken. It's not because there's a theory to it. I think it's just because it's a game.

Same thing with many other characters. Bowser is the size he is because it's balanced, and people just want to play as Bowser. Bowser Jr. got the clown car the way he did because it's unique, and flying infinitely again, would be unbalanced.

Could just be me though.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I was just thinking it would be amazing if at E3 they opened the digital event with a Ryu trailer and closed showing off models of King K Rool and Isaac.

Then had Roy revealed outside of the digital event.

I envisioned it so it's never going to happen now.

 

[Champ Gold]

Ryu is probably not going to come with a group of other Capcom fighters.
However, I would like to see them do is Capcom-themed costumes for existing fighters. Not for Miis, mind you, but for the actual fighters.
Particularly.

Ryu
Chun-li
Guile
Arthur
Akuma
Mega Man
Cammy
Viewtiful Joe
Blanka
Talbain
Captain Commando
Morrigan lol
Zero
Wesker
Phoenix Wright
Amaterasu (the Dog is Ammy, the Duck is Issun)

I didn't see as Balrog, as Nero, as Dhalsim and I'm legit mad.

as Sakura for Lucina in a schoolgirl outfit

 

[Burruni]

To all that say Sakurai's choices are down-right terrible.

It could be the Miyamoto approach

all as separate characters.

Clones are either Metal or Baby versions of characters ( bein the closest thing to a Baby clone)

Honey Queen.

It could always be worse.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

My philosophy would produce rosters that are much more appealing to fans than what we get. If I were making smash since the beginning, Ridley, K. Rool, Villager, Toad, Ray and Andy would have been in brawl. Charizard would have been in smash 64. I could go on. Heck, I'l show you. Here is what smash 4 would look like if I had directed smash since the beginning:
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That roster is the most filthy thing I've ever seen.

 

[Ivander]

I love it when people just add a "Zelda newcomer" to their rosters.
Consequently means every one of them is a good roster because they all have Midna.

Well, we honestly don't know what kind of ball they will throw with simply a "Newcomer". I mean, considering Rosalina almost got in before Bowser Jr. and Zelda got no newcomer this game, it's not easy to say a certain character when with new and possible games coming out, one of those newcomers from those new games can get in before any other known characters.

Samurai Goroh I don't see happening but I get his sizable popularity out of F-Zero.... let's work on a new game first.
Tamagon I just... don't see working. Japan-exclusive retro? That's what kept Takamaru out this time despite his popularity.
Giygas? Impossible. It's an intangible manifestation of pure fear. The closest thing would be Giegue, his form from Mother 1. Barring lack of moveset potential, Japan-exclusive prequel title, and resemblance to Mewtwo.... I just don't see Mother getting a newcomer period.

Those are the only 3 I can really say anything. =P Captain Syrup... sure, maybe.

Well it is a Dream Roster.

I know everybody wants Black Shadow, but that's more to replace Ganondorf's moveset and I don't see that happening unless it comes out of nowhere. With Samurai Goroh, there's room for originality and creativity. Heck, looking at his Assist Trophy, I always imagined him to fight more savagely compared to the other Sword fighters in the game, where they are either mostly chivalrous or composed.
I was referring to his true form Giegue when I said Giygas. But considering (mostly) everybody outside of Japan knows him as Giygas, I just see him being called Giygas outside of Japan, hence why I just use Giygas rather than Giegue. And like Samurai Goroh, despite the similarity to Mewtwo and lack of moveset potential, Giygas has room for originality and creativity. I mean, despite wanting to stay true to the game, there are characters with moves and etc that aren't in their games, like Captain Falcon and Ice Climbers. Heck, Ness and Lucas borrow moves from other characters and Villager uses balloons from Balloon Fighter as a recovery. Even if it's not easy to see or find what could be used for Giygas, he can still get a moveset very different from Ness, Lucas and Mewtwo with some creativity and originality.
Tamagon, you can replace with any old classic character. I just mostly chose him because I like the idea of beating up fighters with a dragon with no hands. I mean, c'mon. Everybody complains about the people who complain about too many swords by countering with too many fist fighters. Why not give us a fighter just to mock the people who complain about too many swords and fist-fighters by beating them with a character with no hands? Also gives an excuse to use the taunt, "Look Ma! No hands!"
Captain Syrup was definitely a fan choice. But that's mostly because I would need to see Daisy, Waluigi and Paper Mario in action before accepting them. I mean, when Bowser Jr. wasn't shown yet, when people said Bowser Jr. with the paintbrush, it just sounded boring to me. I became much more fond of him after seeing him use the Koopa Clown Car as it was much more original than what people were suggesting and predicting. And that's sort of my thing with why I chose Goroh, Giygas and Syrup. I like characters whose movesets aren't exactly predictable and have room for surprises.

 

[Deleted member]

I think instead of trying to justify why certain characters don't have completely accurate portrayals of themselves in Smash Bros., we need to just remember one thing...this is a fighting game that they intended to balance.

This isn't Kirby, this isn't Pokemon, or whatever. It's Smash Bros. Relatively, all characters will be kept true to form unless they can take liberties here or there. Honestly, although I am a previous supporter of Ridley, I simply don't care about him getting into Smash anymore. Meta Knight, while being able to fly forever in Kirby games, most likely isn't able to in Smash because... it'd be broken. It's not because there's a theory to it. I think it's just because it's a game.

Same thing with many other characters. Bowser is the size he is because it's balanced, and people just want to play as Bowser. Bowser Jr. got the clown car the way he did because it's unique, and flying infinitely again, would be unbalanced.

Could just be me though.

What you say is true, however when people bring up those particular characters in response to what Sakurai said about Ridley, it needs to be adressed why keeping them balanced doesn't cause overall drastic compromises while the same would not be true for Ridley.

 

[Champ Gold]

To all that say Sakurai's choices are down-right terrible.

It could be the Miyamoto approach

all as separate characters.

Clones are either Metal or Baby versions of characters ( bein the closest thing to a Baby clone)

Honey Queen.

It could always be worse.

That's more EAD than Miyamoto. He'll never do something close as to separate the Koopalings like that. Shiggy does some crazy s*** but he ain't stupid.

Even then atleast he can churn up some Pikmin, Star Fox and probably use a Metroid rep better than Sakurai but I doubt Miyamoto will have that detail close to Sakurai. I fear what would happen if Aoumua or Sakamoto was in charge of Smash.

 

[Burruni]

That's more EAD than Miyamoto. He'll never do something close as to separate the Koopalings like that. Shiggy does some crazy s*** but he ain't stupid.

Even then atleast he can churn up some Pikmin, Star Fox and probably use a Metroid rep better than Sakurai but I doubt Miyamoto will have that detail close to Sakurai. I fear what would happen if Aoumua or Sakamoto was in charge of Smash.

Sticker Star.

Nothing is sacred after Sticker Star xD

But I get your point.