Character Discussion Thread

[Pakky]

I'm glad to see Splatoon doing well out the gate and the only games that has beaten it in terms of 1st week sales are Smash, NSMBU and MK8 but that is to be expected of Smash and the Mario franchise. Splatoon may have cemented it's spot as a IP and we might see the Inkling as a character 7-8 years from now in Smash. Does anyone else get a 90s Nick vibe off of Splatoon?

Most definitely slime time live comes to mind right away, can't wait to get some funds together to pick it up.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

I'm glad to see Splatoon doing well out the gate and the only games that has beaten it in terms of 1st week sales are Smash, NSMBU and MK8 but that is to be expected of Smash and the Mario franchise. Splatoon may have cemented it's spot as a IP and we might see the Inkling as a character 7-8 years from now in Smash. Does anyone else get a 90s Nick vibe off of Splatoon?

When I watched the initial reveal trailer at E3 for splatoon, I literally thought it was a Nickelodeon game for the Wii U.

 

[Burruni]

When I watched the initial reveal trailer at E3 for splatoon, I literally thought it was a Nickelodeon game for the Wii U.

And people loved it then.
Here we are almost a full year later, and the game has had issues having enough physical copies to meet demand.
And soon having their characters properly enter the Smash battlefield

 

[A Distant Demon]

I dont think this thread has ever been this quiet since it was locked

Sooooo hypothetically what if Goldensun 4 is announced with Matthew as the main character and no mention of Isaac. Do you expect a large shift in support? could matthew be the goldensun "rep"? is this even feasible (as in matthew isnt dead in goldensun 3 or something)?

And a follow up (seperate question) if matthew is added as DLC instead of Isaac because of the above question.

I got this idea from burruni's sig Needed SOMETHING to get talk active again.

 

[Burruni]

I dont think this thread has ever been this quiet since it was locked

Sooooo hypothetically what if Goldensun 4 is announced with Matthew as the main character and no mention of Isaac. Do you expect a large shift in support? could matthew be the goldensun "rep"? is this even feasible (as in matthew isnt dead in goldensun 3 or something)?

And a follow up (seperate question) if matthew is added as DLC instead of Isaac because of the above question.

I got this idea from burruni's sig Needed SOMETHING to get talk active again.

Legitimately, I still don't think so.

Because Isaac still kinda stands as the poster child for Golden Sun who already got into Smash in some form. Matthew didn't die in GS3 but Isaac was the protagonist of GS1 and the main driving plot foil for GS2, and he's the father to Matthew who still keeps a prescence in GS3.

People still asked for Roy and not Eliwood, I don't think it's going to make a massive shift from Isaac to Matthew.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I dont think this thread has ever been this quiet since it was locked

Sooooo hypothetically what if Goldensun 4 is announced with Matthew as the main character and no mention of Isaac. Do you expect a large shift in support? could matthew be the goldensun "rep"? is this even feasible (as in matthew isnt dead in goldensun 3 or something)?

And a follow up (seperate question) if matthew is added as DLC instead of Isaac because of the above question.

I got this idea from burruni's sig Needed SOMETHING to get talk active again.

No, probably not. First of all, Isaac would be required to be in the game anyway due to the ending of Dark Dawn. Second of all, Matthew was the main character of the last GS. All a GS game announcement would do is increase support for Isaac dramatically, because he's the Marth of the series. No large shift in support required.


And no, Matthew isn't dead in GS3. That said, odds are iffy if Matthew would be the main character again. The main character has shifted each game. (Isaac isn't the main character of GS2, but he's still the most important character story-wise by the end of it.)

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Isaac as playable with a Matthew skin and Matthew as AT would be okay in my books

 

[Dragoncharystary]

And people loved it then.
Here we are almost a full year later, and the game has had issues having enough physical copies to meet demand.
And soon having their characters properly enter the Smash battlefield

I wouldn't say people loved it, but it did look cool. It still had about a year to go before the game was released so no one was completely sure then.


Anyway a little game I came up with: Who do you think is doing the most well in the ballot right now? My guess is K.Rool, if I recall in the last few months before the game came out the most requested characters were Ridley, Mewtwo, and K.Rool. Mewtwo is playable now and Ridley is a boss. That leaves K.Rool hence he is probably doing very well in the ballot. In fact I think he is the most likely character behind Wolf(Not counting Roy and Ryu).

 

[StormC]

Who do you think is doing the most well in the ballot right now?

 

[Dragoncharystary]

He's probably high up there, but I think many assume he's going to be pre-planned.

Edit: I honestly think everyone thinks Wolf is a lock for various reasons, but it's votes that matter and we don't really know how many votes Wolf is getting compared to others. Still though, he could easily be high up there.

 

[Burruni]

Best performing in the Ballot?

Honestly it has to be King K. for now.

He's got the massive demand on both shores and arguably the best credentials for any newcomer.

 

[Xzsmmc]

I must admit, lack of Wolf placeholder data along with Ryu and Roy makes me nervous about his chances. I just got done playing Starfox Assault for the first time, and I want him back more than ever.

 

[BKupa666]

I wouldn't say people loved it, but it did look cool. It still had about a year to go before the game was released so no one was completely sure then.

Anyway a little game I came up with: Who do you think is doing the most well in the ballot right now? My guess is K.Rool, if I recall in the last few months before the game came out the most requested characters were Ridley, Mewtwo, and K.Rool. Mewtwo is playable now and Ridley is a boss. That leaves K.Rool hence he is probably doing very well in the ballot. In fact I think he is the most likely character behind Wolf(Not counting Roy and Ryu).

I am sure Wolf and Snake are dominating on the veteran side, with ICs getting a fair few requests, but not a ton due to pessimism/lack of importance comparatively. I can see casuals also throwing in lots of Roy votes, unaware that he's already coming. The others, outside of potential Japanese support for Pichu, aren't close.

For the newcomers, it's tough to say...how much does the OMG HYPE from Banjo/random indies translate into votes, and how much is that offset by Japan, where no one cares about them? Then, you have K. Rool, Isaac and Inkling seemingly being the most recurring names from the first party newcomer pool in that order, with varying shades of Japanese support.

I expect the Banjo/indie votes to receive an "apology" from Nintendo for "not being able to accomodate them," with Snake being in a gray area where his odds really depend on why he was axed in the first place. If Ice Climbers' problems get resolved, you have to imagine they'll be back. That leaves Wolf, K. Rool, Isaac, and Inkling as stand-out candidates.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

I am sure Wolf and Snake are dominating on the veteran side, with ICs getting a fair few requests, but not a ton due to pessimism/lack of importance comparatively. I can see casuals also throwing in lots of Roy votes, unaware that he's already coming. The others, outside of potential Japanese support for Pichu, aren't close.

For the newcomers, it's tough to say...how much does the OMG HYPE from Banjo/random indies translate into votes, and how much is that offset by Japan, where no one cares about them? Then, you have K. Rool, Isaac and Inkling seemingly being the most recurring names from the first party newcomer pool in that order, with varying shades of Japanese support.

Ridley's also really high up there, as well, from what I've heard; practically the fourth most recurring name.

But really, I think that Ridley just needs an enormous push for Sakurai to even consider it again; and the Smash Ballot gives us that chance to show him how many people want him as a fighter.

 

[Chandeelure]

Bandana Dee is underrated, but yeah, whatever.

How many "Marios" or pre-ballot characters are in the data?
I forgot.

 

[Zzuxon]

Best performing in the Ballot?

Honestly it has to be King K. for now.

He's got the massive demand on both shores and arguably the best credentials for any newcomer.

Yep.
That is extremely arguable.

 

[Burruni]

Bandana Dee is underrated, but yeah, whatever.

How many "Marios" or pre-ballot characters are in the data?
I forgot.

4. Lucas was the last name before them. So Roy and Ryu are 2 of the 4.
But all of them may not be for Pre-Ballot.
It could be plans for 5 Pre-Ballot and leaving 1 as a base for the Ballot.

Yep.
That is extremely arguable.

Yeah, just... a highly requested newcomer from both major fronts that has been a long running villain for his series (Missed 3 total games of DK that had combat), and heavy amount of moveset potential from repeated and diverse encounters.

Just for starters.

 

[Chandeelure]

4. Lucas was the last name before them. So Roy and Ryu are 2 of the 4.
But all of them may not be for Pre-Ballot.
It could be plans for 5 Pre-Ballot and leaving 1 as a base for the Ballot.

All this ballot thing for just one character sounds stupid to me, but yeah, it's possible.

 

[Burruni]

All this ballot thing for just one character sounds stupid to me, but yeah, it's possible.

They can always add more slots.
That's kinda the thing about DLC.

 

[BKupa666]

Ridley's also really high up there, as well, from what I've heard; practically the fourth most recurring name.

But really, I think that Ridley just needs an enormous push for Sakurai to even consider it again; and the Smash Ballot gives us that chance to show him how many people want him as a fighter.

Ridley is a character I wouldn't be surprised to see rank highly, there's just a really sad amount of pessimism among online fans that seems to be affecting his standing, aided by the "SHUT UP AND GET OVER IT, HE'S NEVER HAPPENING" crowd.

Really, after K. Rool and Isaac, and maybe Inkling, there's a wide distribution of first party characters getting votes, with Ridley, Bandana Dee, Krystal, Impa, and Paper Mario off the top of my head scoring reasonably well on various sites. But then again, for all we know, there are creeps out there, using dirty tricks to flood the ballot for some completely random character (Birdo, for example)...which, unless Nintendo scrutinizes the votes, could be problematic.

Something worth considering about the ballot...how many votes ultimately end up getting submitted, and what chunk of those any given character has. I expect the ballot to easily receive upward of a million votes by October, but among that, surely guys like K. Rool and Isaac won't break more than several thousand votes. Is that sort of plurality going to be rewarded, or is Nintendo going to see their votes in terms of the overall percentage and say "not that many people care, let's just throw in whoever"?

 

[Zzuxon]

Yeah, just... a highly requested newcomer from both major fronts that has been a long running villain for his series (Missed 3 total games of DK that had combat), and heavy amount of moveset potential from repeated and diverse encounters.

Just for starters.

Oh, Don't get me wrong, K. Rool is very qualified. Probably Top 5.
But Toad has been a Mario staple almost since the beginning of the series with numerous playable appearances and high popularity. He is also so I conic as to be recognizable by many non-gamers.
There really isn't any competition.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Oh, Don't get me wrong, K. Rool is very qualified. Probably Top 5.
But Toad has been a Mario staple almost since the beginning of the series with numerous playable appearances and high popularity. He is also so I conic as to be recognizable by many non-gamers.
There really isn't any competition.

He's also a generic design, and there's nothing really seperating Toad proper from any other Toads outside of him having the species name as his name.

At least K.Rool isn't a generic with a new name and role.

 

[Zzuxon]

He's also a generic design, and there's nothing really seperating Toad proper from any other Toads outside of him having the species name as his name.

At least K.Rool isn't a generic with a new name and role.

 

[StormC]

But really, I think that Ridley just needs an enormous push for Sakurai to even consider it again; and the Smash Ballot gives us that chance to show him how many people want him as a fighter.

I really, truly believe it doesn't matter how many votes Ridley gets. He could be the most voted and it wouldn't matter. Sakurai actively did not include him as a fighter in both Brawl and 4, and stated publicly in an interview both times that he had no intentions to make him a fighter in either game despite his popularity, despite changing his mind on other characters. Sakurai knows people want to play as Ridley. He just doesn't agree.

People are totally free to vote for Ridley in the ballot. I think those votes will be more useful for 5mash than Smash 4 DLC, though.

Oh, Don't get me wrong, K. Rool is very qualified. Probably Top 5.
But Toad has been a Mario staple almost since the beginning of the series with numerous playable appearances and high popularity. He is also so I conic as to be recognizable by many non-gamers.
There really isn't any competition.

Nobody is voting for Toad though, except for Captain Toad, who has quite the minor (miner?) fanbase overall. Show me a place where Toad is pulling in anywhere near the amount of votes and popularity as K. Rool.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Pokemon however is different for this main reason: They ARE the characters. Toad is a species with absolutely nothing to tell them apart, Pokemon's franchise is all about the monsters. Use the pokemon argument when it's called Super Toad Bros.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Pokemon however is different for this main reason: They ARE the characters. Toad is a species with absolutely nothing to tell them apart, Pokemon's franchise is all about the monsters. Use the pokemon argument when it's called Super Toad Bros.

 

[Deleted member]

Just wanted to update my "main chart" I first established on March 3rd :

My main


My second mains


My third mains



The occasional ones





The "never-gonna-main-them-any-time-soon" ones
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As to know that intervert with on the 3DS version for the role of my main, on principle.

And yes, just because I was rather reluctant about 's inclusion at first didn't mean I dislike him nor I'll not give him a chance.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The "never-gonna-main-them-any-time-soon" ones
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Ya'll better change that.

 

[Arcadenik]

Don't forget . I remember detractors saying they were generic back in the day...

Oh yeah, and . He's just a generic dog! Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Oh, and Inklings are generic and they are practically a shoo-in for SSB5.

 

[Kenith]

Oh, and Inklings are generic and they are practically a shoo-in for SSB5.

*Smash 4 lol.

Spoiler

Nobody is a shoo in. There's no guarantee there will even be a Smash 5.

 

[Wintropy]

In terms of who's dominating the charts in the ballot:

The issue isn't whether Toad is "generic" or not.

The issue is that his fanbase is very very very very small compared to K. Rool and not as many people are voting for him for one reason or another.

And the fact that any support K. Rool has is the result of dedicated grassroots activism.

 

[Arcadenik]

*Smash 4 lol.

Spoiler

Nobody is a shoo in. There's no guarantee there will even be a Smash 5.

LOL assuming Nintendo hates money. There WILL be a Smash 5.

People said the same thing about SSB4 and we ended up getting two versions.

In terms of who's dominating the charts in the ballot:

The issue isn't whether Toad is "generic" or not.

The issue is that his fanbase is very very very very small compared to K. Rool and not as many people are voting for him for one reason or another.

And the fact that any support K. Rool has is the result of dedicated grassroots activism.

Grassroots activisim? Smash is a political movement now? What is Smash? Nintendo Congress made of Nintendo Senate and Nintendo Treehouse of Representatives?

 

[Aetheri]

LOL assuming Nintendo hates money. There WILL be a Smash 5.

People said the same thing about SSB4 and we ended up getting two versions.

People forget that Samsh 64 was intended to be a one-off...Melee, Brawl, and Smash 4 were not meant to happen, but they did...Smash is only getting bigger (especially now that DLC is a part of Smash), and as long as nintendo continues to release new consoles, somebody (whether or not it will be Sakurai) is going to make a smash game for the newest console...

 

[StormC]

Is R.O.B. even a drone in the context of Gyromite and Stack Up?

As for Yoshi, he has the benefit of having more major roles between his introduction and Smash 64 than Toad ever did. He was a major supporting character in Super Mario World and since then had at least five games to his name (two of which were platformers where he was a fully playable character). Toad never really got that same spotlight.

 

[Kenith]

LOL assuming Nintendo hates money. There WILL be a Smash 5.
People said the same thing about SSB4 and we ended up getting two versions.

The way Nintendo's been handling amiibo I wouldn't be surprised to learn they do, in fact, hate money.
My point is to not assume a character will get in, ever. It doesn't end well.

 

[Arcadenik]

The way Nintendo's been handling amiibo I wouldn't be surprised to learn they do, in fact, hate money.
My point is to not assume a character will get in, ever. It doesn't end well.

You mean to use this one.

 

[AncientTobacco]

So what's going on here?

Is everyone still convinced we'll see Ryu at E3?

 

[Kenith]

So what's going on here?
Is everyone still convinced we'll see Ryu at E3?

I'm actually not too sure. As is the norm with this community a lot of people seem to be under the impression we'll get exactly three characters at this year's E3 because we got exactly three at E3 2013 and 2014.
And of course since there's one third-party reveal for each = Ryu will be revealed at E3.

It's easy to assume that Ryu and Roy being the only ones in the updated files = they're next after Lucas, but you never know.

 

[Arcadenik]

So what's going on here?

Is everyone still convinced we'll see Ryu at E3?

Ryu in Smash would be amazing.

I still don't like the idea of Roy coming back in SSB4... especially when we already have Lucina as the Marth clone. If Roy is changed a bit to the point he is more like Wolf and Lucas, then I guess that would be all right.

 

[Kenith]

Being a Marth clone is the least of Roy's problems. I'd take five Marth clones and semi-clones with as much deviation as Roy if there were characters like Anna, Kamui, Leif, etc. in his stead.