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He was specifically talking about how Skyward Sword said "Ganondorf will always be evil no matter what" when in Wind Waker he seemed to try and help the Gerudo die, it means that any and all personality Ganondorf had could be rendered moot
One interpretation that salvages this... is in the wording.

"An incarnation (:4ganondorf:) of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"

That could simply mean that Ganondorf is destined to end up with ambitions against the Hyrulian Royal Family which is tied to the blood of Hylia and against the various Links.

Overthrowing the Royal Family to establish a new world order under the out-cast Gerudo is within a spectrum of that sea of darkness.

Just one theory of interpretation.
 

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One interpretation that salvages this... is in the wording.

"An incarnation (:4ganondorf:) of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"

That could simply mean that Ganondorf is destined to end up with ambitions against the Hyrulian Royal Family which is tied to the blood of Hylia and against the various Links.

Overthrowing the Royal Family to establish a new world order under the out-cast Gerudo is within a spectrum of that sea of darkness.

Just one theory of interpretation.
Theory on that I heard: What if the evil incarnation isn't neccesary Ganondorf? Explains the other Zelda villains like Skull Kid, Vaati and those two in the Oracle games
 

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Theory on that I heard: What if the evil incarnation isn't neccesary Ganondorf? Explains the other Zelda villains like Skull Kid, Vaati and those two in the Oracle games
There can be multiple incarnations of Demise.

There are issues at hand with that list, though.

Skull Kid was a prankster who got possessed by Majora's Mask. That mask has a multitude of theories in origin with a few leaning to something about the Twili kind.

Vaati was a student who felt held back by his teacher who got overwhelmed by the dark power of the hat he took.

None of the ambitions against these two were against Link or Zelda specifically, but more just unanimous evil towards everyone given by a piece of headwear containing some evil spirit.

Ornox and Veran existed to revive Ganon and don't fit that kind of Demise spirit.

Honestly, Chancellor Cole of Spirit Tracks and Malladus seem like a possible Non-Ganondorf incarnation of Demise because of their focus.

That's just theory crafting.
 
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There can be multiple incarnations of Demise.

There are issues at hand with that list, though.

Skull Kid was a prankster who got possessed by Majora's Mask. That mask has a multitude of theories in origin with a few leaning to something about the Twili kind.

Vaati was a student who felt held back by his teacher who got overwhelmed by the dark power of the hat he took.

None of the ambitions against these two were against Link or Zelda specifically, but more just unanimous evil towards everyone given by a piece of headwear containing some evil spirit.

Ornox and Veran existed to revive Ganon and don't fit that kind of Demise spirit.

Honestly, Chancellor Cole of Spirit Tracks and Malladus seem like a possible Non-Ganondorf incarnation of Demise because of their focus.

That's just theory crafting.
Malladus was essentially Ganon, giant piggy
 

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I love these theory-forming conversations~

Ryuga makes a good point, Malladus is an anomalous addition in the lore. He's just kinda...there? We know that he was sealed away by the Lokomo in ancient times, and presumably the lore of this continent is totally estranged from that of Hyrule, but does that open up the possibility that there are indeed other realms beyond Hyrule that have things going on in them? And if so, why don't we get to know more about them?

Consider the extra-Hyrulean realms in the series: most of them take place in alternate dimensions (Termina, Koholint, Holodrum / Labrynna, Subrosia, the Sacred Realm / Dark World, the Twilight Realm, etc) and aren't a part the same physical world as Hyrule. The only realms that we know are of the same physical world as Hyrule are those realms that take place at a certain point in Hyrule's history: Skyloft exists aeons before the foundation of the Hyrulean kingdom, while the Great Sea / New Hyrule exist aeons after Hyrule has been lost under the ocean.

The only realm that we know for a fact to exist in parallel to and in the same physical world as Hyrule is New Hyrule, which is implied to have been a separate continent entirely before Link and Tetra settled there and founded a new kingdom. That's where Malladus comes into play: the lore of Spirit Tracks tells of the Lokomo tribe and the Demon King Malladus, who threatened to destroy the continent with his evil powers and was sealed away in the Tower of Spirits by the Lokomo's divine magic. Ganondorf was finally defeated for good (that we know of at this point in time) at the end of Wind Waker, having been washed away under the ocean alongside King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule and the kingdom of Hyrule itself; since he makes no physical appearance in either Phantom Hourglass or Wind Waker, we can infer that he is, in fact, dead and gone, and therefore his demonic alter-ego, Ganon, is also dead and gone.

Yet Demise told Link and Zelda in Skyward Sword that his curse would follow their kin throughout all of eternity, and that "an incarnation" of his hatred would always appear to challenge them. We can naturally infer that this hatred is manifest as Ganondorf, chosen by the Goddess of Power as the most worthy of bearing her sacred symbol. Ganondorf's destiny seems to have two parallels drawn in this case: on the one hand, he is chosen by the Goddess of Power to receive her blessing, and thus bears the Triforce of Power, making him functionally immortal; on the other hand, the curse of Demise ensures that there will always be an evil presence within him that will seek out and attempt to destroy those we carry the spirits of Link and Zelda - does this mean the progeny of Link and Zelda specifically, or those chosen by the Goddesses of Courage and Wisdom? It's not entirely clear whether every Link is a descendant of the original Link (though it's heavily implied that some are - the Link of Twilight Princess is implied to be descended from the Link of Ocarina of Time, who manifests himself as the Hero's Shade), though we do know that every Zelda is descended from the original Zelda, the avatar of the Goddess Hylia, and all possess this aptitude for divine magic due to their divine heritage. It's not entirely clear, by extension, whether Ganondorf's destiny is connected to Link and Zelda specifically, or whether he would still target anybody else who happened to carry the Triforce of Courage and Wisdom.

What he do know is this: due to his possession of the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf cannot be killed by normal means and is, essentially, immortal. Only items blessed by divine magic and wielded by the other chosen ones, such as the Light Arrows and Master Sword, can defeat him, as even the executioner's blade wielded by the Sages was powerless to vanquish him. Even so, as he is one of the Goddesses' chosen three, he will return endlessly as long as the Triforce exists. This is where the climax of Wind Waker is interesting: Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule wishes on the Triforce that the realm of Hyrule and its past be washed away forever, in order that the descendants of its people can create a brighter future for themselves and the new world. King Hyrule and Ganondorf, as remnants of Hyrule's past, are washed away, and Hyrule itself is now nothing more than an ancient memory. Interesting to note is that the Triforce itself, as a key element of Hyrule's identity, is also washed away: it makes no appearance in either Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks, and Hyrule Historia confirms that the reason why there is no Triforce emblem on the New Hyrulean royal crest is because the Triforce does not exist anymore in this timeline. Since Ganondorf's continued existence is tethered to the Triforce, as well as to Demise's curse, and there is no trace of him remaining, he cannot be resurrected anymore and will trouble the heroes of this timeline no more.

Extended detour aside, let's get back to Malladus: that we know of, Demise has no connection to the Triforce or the Goddesses, save that he wishes to attain it and achieve ultimate power (this is mentioned during Zelda's account of Skyloft's history in Skyward Sword). When he fails at this, he swears an oath of blood vengeance upon Link and Zelda (manifesting the spirit of the Goddess Hylia), telling them that his hatred will never die as long as their spirits continue to exist as well. After Ganondorf is killed, that curse seems to have vanished alongside him - unless the curse continues to live on, as Demise swore that it would, in other forms. Note how Malladus has shockingly close similarities to Demise / Ganon: the same epithet (Demon King), the same malevolent presence, the same intangible spirit and, when he possesses the body of Chancellor Cole, a true form that is very close in appearance to Ganon's appearance as a demonic boar. It must be considered whether Malladus is a fragment or incarnation of Demise's curse in the same way that Ganon is, and if so, whether Ganondorf is necessarily conceived as an avatar of Demise or is merely possessed by Demise's will. It's possible that Demise's hatred, an intangible and ephemeral spirit, actually seeks out a host to wield its enormous power - and in the wicked wills of Ganondorf and Chancellor Cole, it finds its vessel. We can even go further and theorise that every villain that has ever challenged Link and Zelda is somehow a manifestation of Demise's hatred; this would suggest that Demise's curse is not actually a physical presence or a corporeal force, but rather an analogy for evil in general. Demise is the embodiment of evil in the series, and the villains therein are embodiments of that evil by virtue of the fact that they do evil deeds and therefore, however indirectly, serve the will of Demise. Link, as the hero, is destined to fight this evil wherever it may appear and in whatever form it may adopt; and therefore, Malladus may just be an incarnation of Demise's hatred that appeared in parallel to whatever else was happening in Hyrule at the time, and Cole just happened to be the right vessel at the right time.

Apologies for the disjointed thought process, I just threw out this stuff as it came to mind. It's definitely worth considering, though - I daresay we could spend literally hours figuring this stuff out and still get no closer to discerning the truth. That's the beauty of the series. Any ideas?
 

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I love these theory-forming conversations~

Ryuga makes a good point, Malladus is an anomalous addition in the lore. He's just kinda...there? We know that he was sealed away by the Lokomo in ancient times, and presumably the lore of this continent is totally estranged from that of Hyrule, but does that open up the possibility that there are indeed other realms beyond Hyrule that have things going on in them? And if so, why don't we get to know more about them?

Consider the extra-Hyrulean realms in the series: most of them take place in alternate dimensions (Termina, Koholint, Holodrum / Labrynna, Subrosia, the Sacred Realm / Dark World, the Twilight Realm, etc) and aren't a part the same physical world as Hyrule. The only realms that we know are of the same physical world as Hyrule are those realms that take place at a certain point in Hyrule's history: Skyloft exists aeons before the foundation of the Hyrulean kingdom, while the Great Sea / New Hyrule exist aeons after Hyrule has been lost under the ocean.

The only realm that we know for a fact to exist in parallel to and in the same physical world as Hyrule is New Hyrule, which is implied to have been a separate continent entirely before Link and Tetra settled there and founded a new kingdom. That's where Malladus comes into play: the lore of Spirit Tracks tells of the Lokomo tribe and the Demon King Malladus, who threatened to destroy the continent with his evil powers and was sealed away in the Tower of Spirits by the Lokomo's divine magic. Ganondorf was finally defeated for good (that we know of at this point in time) at the end of Wind Waker, having been washed away under the ocean alongside King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule and the kingdom of Hyrule itself; since he makes no physical appearance in either Phantom Hourglass or Wind Waker, we can infer that he is, in fact, dead and gone, and therefore his demonic alter-ego, Ganon, is also dead and gone.

Yet Demise told Link and Zelda in Skyward Sword that his curse would follow their kin throughout all of eternity, and that "an incarnation" of his hatred would always appear to challenge them. We can naturally infer that this hatred is manifest as Ganondorf, chosen by the Goddess of Power as the most worthy of bearing her sacred symbol. Ganondorf's destiny seems to have two parallels drawn in this case: on the one hand, he is chosen by the Goddess of Power to receive her blessing, and thus bears the Triforce of Power, making him functionally immortal; on the other hand, the curse of Demise ensures that there will always be an evil presence within him that will seek out and attempt to destroy those we carry the spirits of Link and Zelda - does this mean the progeny of Link and Zelda specifically, or those chosen by the Goddesses of Courage and Wisdom? It's not entirely clear whether every Link is a descendant of the original Link (though it's heavily implied that some are - the Link of Twilight Princess is implied to be descended from the Link of Ocarina of Time, who manifests himself as the Hero's Shade), though we do know that every Zelda is descended from the original Zelda, the avatar of the Goddess Hylia, and all possess this aptitude for divine magic due to their divine heritage. It's not entirely clear, by extension, whether Ganondorf's destiny is connected to Link and Zelda specifically, or whether he would still target anybody else who happened to carry the Triforce of Courage and Wisdom.

What he do know is this: due to his possession of the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf cannot be killed by normal means and is, essentially, immortal. Only items blessed by divine magic and wielded by the other chosen ones, such as the Light Arrows and Master Sword, can defeat him, as even the executioner's blade wielded by the Sages was powerless to vanquish him. Even so, as he is one of the Goddesses' chosen three, he will return endlessly as long as the Triforce exists. This is where the climax of Wind Waker is interesting: Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule wishes on the Triforce that the realm of Hyrule and its past be washed away forever, in order that the descendants of its people can create a brighter future for themselves and the new world. King Hyrule and Ganondorf, as remnants of Hyrule's past, are washed away, and Hyrule itself is now nothing more than an ancient memory. Interesting to note is that the Triforce itself, as a key element of Hyrule's identity, is also washed away: it makes no appearance in either Phantom Hourglass or Spirit Tracks, and Hyrule Historia confirms that the reason why there is no Triforce emblem on the New Hyrulean royal crest is because the Triforce does not exist anymore in this timeline. Since Ganondorf's continued existence is tethered to the Triforce, as well as to Demise's curse, and there is no trace of him remaining, he cannot be resurrected anymore and will trouble the heroes of this timeline no more.

Extended detour aside, let's get back to Malladus: that we know of, Demise has no connection to the Triforce or the Goddesses, save that he wishes to attain it and achieve ultimate power (this is mentioned during Zelda's account of Skyloft's history in Skyward Sword). When he fails at this, he swears an oath of blood vengeance upon Link and Zelda (manifesting the spirit of the Goddess Hylia), telling them that his hatred will never die as long as their spirits continue to exist as well. After Ganondorf is killed, that curse seems to have vanished alongside him - unless the curse continues to live on, as Demise swore that it would, in other forms. Note how Malladus has shockingly close similarities to Demise / Ganon: the same epithet (Demon King), the same malevolent presence, the same intangible spirit and, when he possesses the body of Chancellor Cole, a true form that is very close in appearance to Ganon's appearance as a demonic boar. It must be considered whether Malladus is a fragment or incarnation of Demise's curse in the same way that Ganon is, and if so, whether Ganondorf is necessarily conceived as an avatar of Demise or is merely possessed by Demise's will. It's possible that Demise's hatred, an intangible and ephemeral spirit, actually seeks out a host to wield its enormous power - and in the wicked wills of Ganondorf and Chancellor Cole, it finds its vessel. We can even go further and theorise that every villain that has ever challenged Link and Zelda is somehow a manifestation of Demise's hatred; this would suggest that Demise's curse is not actually a physical presence or a corporeal force, but rather an analogy for evil in general. Demise is the embodiment of evil in the series, and the villains therein are embodiments of that evil by virtue of the fact that they do evil deeds and therefore, however indirectly, serve the will of Demise. Link, as the hero, is destined to fight this evil wherever it may appear and in whatever form it may adopt; and therefore, Malladus may just be an incarnation of Demise's hatred that appeared in parallel to whatever else was happening in Hyrule at the time, and Cole just happened to be the right vessel at the right time.

Apologies for the disjointed thought process, I just threw out this stuff as it came to mind. It's definitely worth considering, though - I daresay we could spend literally hours figuring this stuff out and still get no closer to discerning the truth. That's the beauty of the series. Any ideas?
I'm that person who is still adamant about the fact that the Hyrule Historia timeline doesn't make as much sense than the one I had crafted previously.

Though I'd love to go on some prolonged debates in PM's because I don't want to flood the Official Character Discussion Thread with ramblings about it~ :p
 

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I like how we talked about Spirit Tracks, it's my favourite Zelda game. Yes, that means I prefer it over OoT
Off topic but we can't be friends anymore

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....I wonder if ROB would have been in Brawl if he wasn't a major character in the SSE...more likely he was made a major part as a result, but still, it seems rather random in hindsight?
 

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....I wonder if ROB would have been in Brawl if he wasn't a major character in the SSE...more likely he was made a major part as a result, but still, it seems rather random in hindsight?
;-; y u do dis
I think they thought of some characters before working on SSE, one of those being ROB
 

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I'm that person who is still adamant about the fact that the Hyrule Historia timeline doesn't make as much sense than the one I had crafted previously.

Though I'd love to go on some prolonged debates in PM's because I don't want to flood the Official Character Discussion Thread with ramblings about it~ :p
Work away, I'm all ears~ ;3

On-topic: which design of Ganon are we referring to when we suggest Ganon as a playable character? I take it it's specifically the Oracle / Four Swords Adventure Ganon with the blue skin and trident?

Off topic but we can't be friends anymore

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....I wonder if ROB would have been in Brawl if he wasn't a major character in the SSE...more likely he was made a major part as a result, but still, it seems rather random in hindsight?
I'm almost certain he was conceived of long before the Subspace Emissary was developed, and his role as an archaic "saviour" figure to the vidya industry lent itself well to his role as the Ancient Minister, while the fact that he's a mass-produced toy worked well as emblematic of an entire race of silent, subservient beings.
 
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....I wonder if ROB would have been in Brawl if he wasn't a major character in the SSE...more likely he was made a major part as a result, but still, it seems rather random in hindsight?
Let's see...

Recognizable Nintendo character? Decently.

Retro character that represents a piece of hardware? Check.

A massive part of Nintendo history? Check.

The fact he was used pretty frequently for cameos across Nintendo titles all around and ultimately brought out playable in Mario Kart DS really doesn't hurt him.

I feel like he was chosen and the SSE used the kind of "generic" aspect of him as a crux of SSE

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Work away, I'm all ears~ ;3

On-topic: which design of Ganon are we referring to when we suggest Ganon as a playable character? I take it it's specifically the Oracle / Four Swords Adventure Ganon with the blue skin and trident?
Often, it's the bulky porky design from Link Between Worlds, but with the legs and maybe face from the Oracle concept art.
 
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The general consensus is this Ganon from the Oracle games.



Best build for a Smash appearance, definitely. Add in a few minor details and he fits in perfectly with both Toon Link and the Twilight-Princess characters.
 
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I really wish I owned a ROB toy :( They look so cool and it would be nice to have an old smash character that isnt an Amiibo

That is a good point. .. Now im wondering

Oracle ganon concept is best Beast
 
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An old friend of mine used to have a R.O.B. toy. We used to play one of its NES games at the time. Forgot the name though.... :/
 
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I couldnt even finish OoT because I got bored.

only LoZ i have finished is LbW :upsidedown: (although I would have finished wind waker if the disc didnt stop working.)
Where did you stop at?

It's really hard for me to relate to that seeing as I played OoT like 50 times over the course of my life lol. OoT is my personal favorite entry in the series even though it may or may not be the best Zelda title.
 

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I like how we talked about Spirit Tracks, it's my favourite Zelda game. Yes, that means I prefer it over OoT
Speaking of characters being the same but not quite yet, this is getting creepy.

I mean, who could've thought I wasn't the only guy who thought ST was better than OOT.
I loved Cucco-flying around New Hyrule Castle Town.

And yes, the Triforce was completely replaced by the Lokomo-symbol, only appearing as a secret code in Phantom Hourglass. (You needed to draw the Triforce to open a door in the main dungeon.)
 
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Where did you stop at?

It's really hard for me to relate to that seeing as I played OoT like 50 times over the course of my life lol. OoT is my personal favorite entry in the series even though it may or may not be the best Zelda title.
Forest temple o think its called. The one where you have to find poe's
 

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Speaking of characters being the same but not quite yet, this is getting creepy.

I mean, who could've thought I wasn't the only guy who thought ST was better than OOT.
I loved Cucco-flying around New Hyrule Castle Town.

And yes, the Triforce was completely replaced by the Lokomo-symbol, only appearing as a secret code in Phantom Hourglass. (You needed to draw the Triforce to open a door in the main dungeon.)
Fun fact about the store I bought ST in.
Phantom Hourglass: 40 euros.
Spirit Tracks: 15 euros.
I've been thinking, wouldn't making Nabbit the boss hazard that joins your side make more sense than Ridley? He does help you in Luigi U
 

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My main issue with OoT is that there's nothing to do outside of the dungeons.
There's no town to visit and play around, no big sidequests and no grind-less collectables. (You could say Skulltulas, but who would backtrack whole temples for a big wallet?)

Fun fact about the store I bought ST in.
Phantom Hourglass: 40 euros.
Spirit Tracks: 15 euros.
I've been thinking, wouldn't making Nabbit the boss hazard that joins your side make more sense than Ridley? He does help you in Luigi U
All Nabbit talk in the Nabbit thread unless its shameless plugging.

Yeah, that would definitely be better (although what couldn't be better than current Ridley), but I think Nabbit would still be that sneaky to steal you too after a amount of time.
 

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My issues with Spirit Tracks is just about everything about the train.... and honestly the Phantom Zelda sections.

It made the open exploration of Phantom Hourglass and Wind Waker and turned the gameplay to being literally on-rails. And the limited control of your already slow speed really felt insignificant.

The bosses on the train were... an issue, to say the least.

And my god the ESCORT MISSIONS with the train are some of the most annoying things I've had to deal with in Zelda outside N64 shooting galleries.

Then... the forced puzzles of Phantom juggling and escorting Zelda around were far less enjoyable than the Temple of the Ocean King to me, because at least the temple was a gauge of how you've progressed because you got more and more tools to get shortcuts and plunge down through the floors at a record pace until you got to what was new.
 

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Fun fact about the store I bought ST in.
Phantom Hourglass: 40 euros.
Spirit Tracks: 15 euros.
I've been thinking, wouldn't making Nabbit the boss hazard that joins your side make more sense than Ridley? He does help you in Luigi U
It's fairly obvious the whole "Ridley joins your side" thing was done as a way to throw a bone to his fans that wanted him playable.
 

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Forest temple o think its called. The one where you have to find poe's
Forest Temple was actually one of the more enjoyable temples IMO. Are you sure you didn't get stuck?

My main issue with OoT is that there's nothing to do outside of the dungeons.
There's no town to visit and play around, no big sidequests and no grind-less collectables. (You could say Skulltulas, but who would backtrack whole temples for a big wallet?)
I never really cared about the whole sidequests TBH. MM had a lot of that stuff and it wasn't really all that exciting.
 

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I actually kinda enjoyed most of Wind Waker's sidequests more than Majora's Mask's.......

*Pull's out Unpopular-Opinion's-Hero's-Shield*
 
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It's funny because one of the main reasons people praise MM all the time is because of the sidequests. IMO, it wasn't really all that noteworthy other than the Kafei/Anju one and a few others. Most of it is just "help X and obtain mask" which is kinda meh.
 

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If were on the topic of Zelda games Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures are my favorite for the 4-Player madness. I played through all the child dungeons on OoT 3DS and then lost the game. I am currently playing through MM on the 3DS and it has been enjoyable. I think OoT has better temples than MM but the things to do outside Temples are better in MM.
 

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You know what? I want to play a game: Add which characters you'd add in the roster as newcomers of all franchises currently in smash, third parties and total bias allowed
Mario: Captain Toad, rather popular and has the original main 4 then. Nabbit: Awesome thief potential
DK: K.Rool, easily overdue. Dixie, A popular character. Cranky, would be awesome to have a Badass Grandpa
Punch Out: Glass Joe, just for laughs
F-Zero: Black Shadow, for Falcondork's moveset
Kid Icarus: -
Kirby: Bandana Dee, last main character left. Galacta Knight, rather popular super boss.
Duck Hunt: -
Star Fox: -
Zelda: Ghirahim, badass likely gay dude who kicks ass. Tingle, I want to see rage and lots of it
G&W: -
Pokemon: Zoroark, badass Dark type who'd use Dark moves. Heracross, favourite Gen II pokemon.
Fire Emblem: Lyn, favourite character. Anna, second waifu choice
Mother: Kumatora, she seems cool enough
Mega Man: -
Mii (add a class): Mage, I love magic!
Pikmin: -
Pac-man: -
ROB: -
Metroid: Ridley, best vilain. Dark Samus, awesome character who has enough unique abilities
Xenoblade: Metal Face, truly an awesome villain. Reyn, Shulk's been hogging his lines and War Swing
Sonic: Metal Sonic because of how surprisingly competent he is
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook, I can smack people AND force them to pay me? Yes please
Wario: Ashley, again, magic! Captain Syrup, female villain, not too common
Wii Fit: Balance board, again, sheer hirarity
Yoshi: Birdo, Yoshi doesn't have too much to work with
 

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You know what? I want to play a game: Add which characters you'd add in the roster as newcomers of all franchises currently in smash, third parties and total bias allowed
Mario: Captain Toad, rather popular and has the original main 4 then. Nabbit: Awesome thief potential
DK: K.Rool, easily overdue. Dixie, A popular character. Cranky, would be awesome to have a Badass Grandpa
Punch Out: Glass Joe, just for laughs
F-Zero: Black Shadow, for Falcondork's moveset
Kid Icarus: -
Kirby: Bandana Dee, last main character left. Galacta Knight, rather popular super boss.
Duck Hunt: -
Star Fox: -
Zelda: Ghirahim, badass likely gay dude who kicks ***. Tingle, I want to see rage and lots of it
G&W: -
Pokemon: Zoroark, badass Dark type who'd use Dark moves. Heracross, favourite Gen II pokemon.
Fire Emblem: Lyn, favourite character. Anna, second waifu choice
Mother: Kumatora, she seems cool enough
Mega Man: -
Mii (add a class): Mage, I love magic!
Pikmin: -
Pac-man: -
ROB: -
Metroid: Ridley, best vilain. Dark Samus, awesome character who has enough unique abilities
Xenoblade: Metal Face, truly an awesome villain. Reyn, Shulk's been hogging his lines and War Swing
Sonic: Metal Sonic because of how surprisingly competent he is
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook, I can smack people AND force them to pay me? Yes please
Wario: Ashley, again, magic! Captain Syrup, female villain, not too common
Wii Fit: Balance board, again, sheer hirarity
Yoshi: Birdo, Yoshi doesn't have too much to work with
Mario: Fawful, hands down, best possible addition. Great moveset, hilarious character.
DK: K. Rool, third most iconic and recurring Nintendo villain. Dixie, had two of her own games and is the third-biggest DK playable character.
Punch Out:-
F-Zero: Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh I guess.
Kid Icarus: I'd prefer not to get one, but Medusa if we did.
Kirby: Magalor. I don't know much about Kirby but he's badass.
Duck Hunt: -
Star Fox: Krystal, staff moveset would be great along with her magic.
Zelda: Impa, next-most important character in the series, if Hyrule Warriors is possible consideration give her a Naginata. Saria, just because I like her, plus the potential for nature-based moves and using deku items.
G&W: -
Pokemon: I have no opinions.
Fire Emblem: Lyn, great character with potential Samurai moveset. Aqua, if we're going with new FE getting a character, she's got amazing potential; Dancer, singing, and F***ING LANCES!
Mother: I'd say no one because I don't think it should get a third. But if anyone, Porky.
Mega Man: If anyone, Zero.
Mii (add a class): Mage.
Pikmin: -
Pac-man: -
ROB: -
Metroid: Ridley, obvious.
Xenoblade: Probably Elma.
Sonic: Shadow, badass if based on his chaos powers. Look at Sonic Battle. No, he wouldn't be a Sonic clone.
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook.
Wario: Captain Syrup is probably the better option.
Wii Fit: -
Yoshi: Kamek, magic plus he's the real main antagonist of the Yoshi series.
 
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You know what? I want to play a game: Add which characters you'd add in the roster as newcomers of all franchises currently in smash, third parties and total bias allowed
Mario: Captain Toad, rather popular and has the original main 4 then. Nabbit: Awesome thief potential
DK: K.Rool, easily overdue. Dixie, A popular character. Cranky, would be awesome to have a Badass Grandpa
Punch Out: Glass Joe, just for laughs
F-Zero: Black Shadow, for Falcondork's moveset
Kid Icarus: -
Kirby: Bandana Dee, last main character left. Galacta Knight, rather popular super boss.
Duck Hunt: -
Star Fox: -
Zelda: Ghirahim, badass likely gay dude who kicks ***. Tingle, I want to see rage and lots of it
G&W: -
Pokemon: Zoroark, badass Dark type who'd use Dark moves. Heracross, favourite Gen II pokemon.
Fire Emblem: Lyn, favourite character. Anna, second waifu choice
Mother: Kumatora, she seems cool enough
Mega Man: -
Mii (add a class): Mage, I love magic!
Pikmin: -
Pac-man: -
ROB: -
Metroid: Ridley, best vilain. Dark Samus, awesome character who has enough unique abilities
Xenoblade: Metal Face, truly an awesome villain. Reyn, Shulk's been hogging his lines and War Swing
Sonic: Metal Sonic because of how surprisingly competent he is
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook, I can smack people AND force them to pay me? Yes please
Wario: Ashley, again, magic! Captain Syrup, female villain, not too common
Wii Fit: Balance board, again, sheer hirarity
Yoshi: Birdo, Yoshi doesn't have too much to work with
Mario: Waluigi
DK: K. Rool
Zelda: Impa
Metroid: Dark Samus
Yoshi: Birdo
Kirby: Bandanna Dee
Star Fox: Krystal
Pokemon: Blastoise
F-Zero: Black Shadow
Mother: Ninten
Fire Emblem: Lyn
Kid Icarus: Hades
Animal Crossing: Mr. Resetii
Wario: 9-Volt
Sonic: Knuckles
Mega-Man: Zero
Xenoblade: Dunban
Mii: 4th Class Fighter
Wii Fit: To hell with this franchise

IDK about the other series.
 
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