Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Guys. Shortly after we got the Ballot confirmed but before we ended up datamining the entire thing of Roy and Ryu, I made this.
I dug it back up rolling over a chatlog with friends.
I'm upset about how much better this could be made to look a month after it was made. It's a shame that our information comes in swells and droughts.

Edit: The new draft would basically be trying to manage out a new column with the additions of Roy and Ryu, obviously, and then Isaac and... I honestly don't know who would be the best pick for a 4th. I'd almost argue Dixie. (Or.. you know. My selfish pick of Ganon)

Good work, but shouldn't Shulk be placed to the left of Inkling? Xenoblade was first released in 2010 and Splatoon will be out later this year (2015).

 

[Burruni]

Good work, but shouldn't Shulk be placed to the left of Inkling? Xenoblade was first released in 2010 and Splatoon will be out later this year (2015).

Yes and I probably should have swapped Little Mac and Rob to keep the "retroes" together. Maybe even swap Inkling with that "new" position for Little mac just for general grouping. This was a one-afternoon little project.

Edit: WELP, the Ganon thread got re-locked while I was typing up the movset. =/

@ A Distant Demon , @ BluePikmin11 , would this then warrant him gaining a thread in our Predifined Character sub-forum thing? Because I'll take care of setting it up if you guys wish to green-light the project.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sure, you can do that, that's probably the better option we got now.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Yes and I probably should have swapped Little Mac and Rob to keep the "retroes" together. Maybe even swap Inkling with that "new" position for Little mac just for general grouping. This was a one-afternoon little project.

Edit: WELP, the Ganon thread got re-locked while I was typing up the movset. =/

@ A Distant Demon , @ BluePikmin11 , would this then warrant him gaining a thread in our Predifined Character sub-forum thing? Because I'll take care of setting it up if you guys wish to green-light the project.

You've been tagged in the group but yes you or ancienttobaco are clear for creating a ganon thread


Anyone who wants to support said pigman can click on my sig

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Edit: WELP, the Ganon thread got re-locked while I was typing up the movset. =/

@ A Distant Demon , @ BluePikmin11 , would this then warrant him gaining a thread in our Predifined Character sub-forum thing? Because I'll take care of setting it up if you guys wish to green-light the project.

Gannon Banned.

Plz don't kill me.

 

[Burruni]

You've been tagged in the group but yes you or ancienttobaco are clear for creating a ganon thread


Anyone who wants to support said pigman can click on my sig

It's live!

Also, apologies to @Swampasaur for getting caught up in the discrepancy in qualifications born due to a bit of bad communication. Admittedly, Ganon was a bit of a gray zone due to the final smash being one variant of Ganon whose name, design, and trophy description allowing for distinction between it and a Playable version of the character given the nature of the series having a bit of precedent for it (-, -) and being more ambiguous than the big line in the sand from which these rules were namely made.

We fans used that grey zone to our leverage and clearly other admins feel that he falls on the other side of the line and we should abide by their qualifications.

 

[random rendum]

it doesn't have a cameo, but it does have an explicit refference because when TTYD released, so was FE on gba. It's just a small toad that says FE is cool

Unfortunately, they didn't did it again. pm64 and TTYD are the only game that had easter egg on current and future dev, there was a refference in TTYD about luigi taking a stronger role in the next game which, I think, we can all agree was a success

I honestly didn't got why Mr L is that loved.....I honestly liked more O'Chunk than him because of his silly humor (and the fact that he kepts throwing you).


they didn;t kill the series, they will if they don';t go back to root, but there's a lot of evidences pointing towards they know what fans want, they even asked on social medias.

Plus, I actually played and reviewed SS....I got how needed a back to root, I think i am too becomming tired of SS.....still hoping for this E3.....

I meant they didn't I just worded wrong I hope items aren't micro transactions...

 

[aldelaro5]

I meant they didn't I just worded wrong I hope items aren't micro transactions...

do you really think they'll do it with how much personal and single player oriented this series is?

....doesn't seem to make sense.

 

[random rendum]

do you really think they'll do it with how much personal and single player oriented this series is?

....doesn't seem to make sense.

that new pushmo game, but yeah it doesn't make sense, thinking about it that new pushmo game seems like a demo and buying stages is buying the game, from what I've read its not as bad as rumble world and Shuffle, shuffle being the worst

 

[aldelaro5]

that new pushmo game, but yeah it doesn't make sense, thinking about it that new pushmo game seems like a demo and buying stages is buying the game, from what I've read its not as bad as rumble world and Shuffle, shuffle being the worst

I can see why they wouod do it for pushmo though.....

Paper Mario is not matching as the kind of experience is extremely linear. The only time you want to replay it is simply because of the memories you want to redo the same things....cause it's linear.

Basically, you would pay for items that are actually optional and so, you would be able to beat the game without them....just needs more b[p management.

The ONLY thing I see that they can charge is something like a new game plus when you have a new ch that is particularly good for the standard of the game....that's one idea.

But micro transaction? it simply isn't fitting at all.

 

[Double0Groove]

After that probably sora. i know he is a joke character but i love kh so meh.

Sora definitely isn't a joke character, he's got a good chance of making it in.

 

[Burruni]

Sora definitely isn't a joke character, he's got a good chance of making it in.

The rights to the character are owned by Disney, the rights to his series are owned by Square Enix (who have a list of candidates which many will argue are more deserving).

But the big kicker is the fact that the titles that have been Nintendo-exclusive have been more and more weeded out by the 1.5 and 2.5 mixes and KH3, the end of the series, coming out for the two current gen consoles that AREN'T owned by Nintendo is not something that helps him as a 3rd party character.

Not saying that it's impossible, but his chances are not bright given the credentials of the 3rd Parties present.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sora definitely isn't a joke character, he's got a good chance of making it in.

Square Enix hates sharing their toys, something Geno fans should know all too well, the guys who made PSABR tried to get Cloud or Lara Croft, SE said no to both

 

[Double0Groove]

The rights to the character are owned by Disney, the rights to his series are owned by Square Enix (who have a list of candidates which many will argue are more deserving).

But the big kicker is the fact that the titles that have been Nintendo-exclusive have been more and more weeded out by the 1.5 and 2.5 mixes and KH3, the end of the series, coming out for the two current gen consoles that AREN'T owned by Nintendo is not something that helps him as a 3rd party character.

Not saying that it's impossible, but his chances are not bright given the credentials of the 3rd Parties present.

Actually, Square Enix doesn't own the series either. The reason I say this is because Disney had their own KH game created called KH-Vcast, a game that SE was never involved with( here's a link to the game: http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_V_CAST).

You're second point is also a non-issue because it's based on the assumption that Nintendo would actually hold those factors against Sora for joining Smash. But the thing is they wouldn't, seeing how they were the ones who started up the poll, allowed 3rd party characters to be cast in it, and never announced any stipulations that these characters needed inorder to get the green-light( aside from being a videogame character, ofcourse). So if there are a few reason's as to why he couldn't make into Smash, none of them would be Nintendo related.

Sora has a bigger chance of getting into the roster then some people think.

 

[Double0Groove]

Square Enix hates sharing their toys, something Geno fans should know all too well, the guys who made PSABR tried to get Cloud or Lara Croft, SE said no to both

Why do people keep saying that? I mean, sure, it doesn't matter anyway seeing how Disney owns Sora, but Nintendo and SE HAVE collaborated on serveral games and SE even went so far as to put the characters from the FF series in it as cameo characters. Heck, they even created a crossover party game with Nintendo.

 

[Kenith]

Wait, why is the Ganon thread re-locked?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why do people keep saying that? I mean, sure, it doesn't matter anyway seeing how Disney owns Sora, but Nintendo and SE HAVE collaborated on serveral games and SE even went so far as to put the characters from the FF series in it as cameo characters. Heck, they even created a crossover party game with Nintendo.

Why do people keep saying that? Because the staff at PSABR confirmed it. Just like that Crash and Spyro were planned but scrapped after Activision wanted a ****ton of moolah and that the devs wanted Mario but knew they shouldn't ever bother asking. Jim Sterling also got copyright claimed by SE and SE said it was justified because he used an image of Cloud's hair

 

[Burruni]

Wait, why is the Ganon thread re-locked?

Because the grounds that there is still A Ganon that is the Final Smash is enough grounds to keep his thread locked. I made a new thread for him in the Predefined Role forum thing.

 

[Kenith]

Because the grounds that there is still A Ganon that is the Final Smash is enough grounds to keep his thread locked. I made a new thread for him in the Predefined Role forum thing.

Another completely viable and possible character...of whom productive discussion of is gimped yet again.

 

[Burruni]

Another completely viable and possible character...of whom productive discussion of is gimped yet again.

Decision of the mods.

I don't agree with it, but it's something we will be abiding.

Let's just build up that new thread as much as we can. The only step larger than that would be trying to have a proper dispute with mods about Ganon being in more of a Gray Zone, if not freedom, due to the circumstances of how his home series treats his encounters and how characters of his series are represented in Smash. Right down to Viridi's line of "As there are many Links and Zeldas, there are many Ganons."

But it's also like 1:30 am for me so I should be going to sleep soon and I've been trying to avoid heated arguments for my health.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Wait, the Ganon thread was locked because we already have a Ganon? Then why the bloody hell is the Young Link thread still open when we already have a young Link and regular Link?

I don't even care for a separate Ganon and just want Ganondorf to throw magic tennis balls but still.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

You guys just gotta take it up with the mods instead of complaining lol.

 

[Kenith]

You guys just gotta take it up with the mods instead of complaining lol.

It has been done, and evidently it solved nothing.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You guys just gotta take it up with the mods instead of complaining lol.

But I'm not complaining, I'm trying to take down the Young Link thread too.

 

[Metal Shop X]

So since this is the more appropriate thread in my opinion, i have a little question. I want to post a message in the Paper Mario thread because i don't want that a fall in the abyss of Smashboard but the latest message is from me. and i don't want to double post, so someone can answer my question please?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

But I'm not complaining, I'm trying to take down the Young Link thread too.

Toon Link master race, he's even got Fire Arrows too

 

[Kenith]

So since this is the more appropriate thread in my opinion, i have a little question. I want to post a message in the Paper Mario thread because i don't want that a fall in the abyss of Smashboard but the latest message is from me. and i don't want to double post, so someone can answer my question please?

Can you not just wait for a reply? I thought that thread was relatively active.

 

[Double0Groove]

Why do people keep saying that? Because the staff at PSABR confirmed it. Just like that Crash and Spyro were planned but scrapped after Activision wanted a ****ton of moolah and that the devs wanted Mario but knew they shouldn't ever bother asking. Jim Sterling also got copyright claimed by SE and SE said it was justified because he used an image of Cloud's hair

Can you give me a link to the artical that confirms the PSABR argument, I can't find it anywhere.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Can you not just wait for a reply? I thought that thread was relatively active.

I tough too but this thread is not that visited in reality, and a tough that Paper Mario was a relative popular character but it's seem that the fan are kinda quiet about him (except some person of course). But still thanks you for answering my question.

 

[Curious Villager]

So since this is the more appropriate thread in my opinion, i have a little question. I want to post a message in the Paper Mario thread because i don't want that a fall in the abyss of Smashboard but the latest message is from me. and i don't want to double post, so someone can answer my question please?

Considering the latest post was made by you just yesterday. Yeah, I'd wait until somebody else bumps it up for now.

Also, shame the Ganon support thread was re-locked although I can't say that I didn't find it pretty odd it was reopened due to the rules, should have figured it was done so by mistake.

 

[AEMehr]

Wait, the Ganon thread was locked because we already have a Ganon? Then why the bloody hell is the Young Link thread still open when we already have a young Link and regular Link?

I don't even care for a separate Ganon and just want Ganondorf to throw magic tennis balls but still.

Hm? That thread is open still? I thought it was locked.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Hm? That thread is open still? I thought it was locked.

Its been locked again lol.

 

[AEMehr]

Its been locked again lol.

I was referring to the Young Link one.

 

[Curious Villager]

Not sure if that thread should be locked though. I mean yeah, we have a Link who is carrying his niche. But at the same time, said Link is being treated as a Brawl Veteran rather than a Melee veteran in the games....

 

[Kenith]

Young Link is technically Link, therefore his support thread serves no purpose.

 

[AEMehr]

The purpose of Young Link was for there to be a child Link in Smash. With Toon Link serving the exact same purpose, Young Link has no reason to show up.

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm still not sure if that's a good enough reason to lock a thread for a character who technically doesn't really have an active role in the games. I mean I can understand Assist Trophies, Bosses and perhaps even Ganon. But locking a thread because there's an existing playable character fulfilling a similar niche? I can't help but feel that that can't possibly be extended to certain other characters as well.

I mean I don't really support Young Link at all, nor do I think he's at all likely. But oh well. It's not really something I would want to argue over either. If you feel it should be locked because of that then go ahead I guess....

I just personally don't think that's a good enough reason is all.

 

[A Distant Demon]

As much as i dont think young link is happening it's still a different link who happens to be a veteran.

He isnt "deconfirmed" because he has no role in the game. I dont see the point in locking the thread :/

 

[Kenith]

In case you couldn't tell, my earlier post was sarcasm.
Young Link's support thread should stay open. Just because someone else fills his "niche" doesn't mean he's impossible. If Young Link's thread thread is going to be shut down because of some convoluted rule made up exclusively for him, you might as well do that for other characters as well. Pretty soon every support thread except for King K. Rool and Isaac are locked because they have a Mii costume in their likeness, or they aren't that popular, etc.

The fact of the matter is we are completely clueless as to what will happen to Smash Bros. in the next year. Roy had supporters but was almost unanimously dismissed because nobody thought we'd ever get two Marth clones - and yet we found his sound files in Smash 3DS. Nobody ever thought Ryu from Street Fighter had a chance, but we found evidence to the contrary.

A large majority of the locked support threads are locked due to what people believe won't happen, rather than what they know won't happen, and it baffles me that discussing these characters publicly is now forbidden, whereas a group of Smashboards dedicated to those characters, largely consisting of the same supporters and similar thread content, is completely okay. What is the actual difference?

But I doubt anything I say will have any value, even though me and several others strongly believe at least some of it to be the truth, so I guess I will have to settle with a tiny, obscure social group.

 

[aldelaro5]

Can you not just wait for a reply? I thought that thread was relatively active.

.....it's not really what you think.

I have to strategically bump the thread because it has activities problem. I remember I had to do it on Gematsu leak time and after July 10, but the only time where it was unnecessary was after July 29, but these time are gone now.

So, I could post, but I only do it after the thread got down a bit, visibility purposes. It is NOT relatively active......I have to be there to improve the activity because if I actually bump it too much, I'll kill the thread....