Character Discussion Thread

[Chandeelure]

Well in that case....
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Cuz types.

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[SMAASH! Puppy]

Tier wise thats actually pretty close other than lucario.

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(Face Palms, sighs, then walks away)

 

[Champ Gold]

And >

Maybe if Jigglypuff evolved when Greninja would just use surf and Water Pulse and it's dead

 

[Troykv]

I want all of them, that's childish but I do.
Also I omitted Mewtwo and Dedede from my original comment but I get you.

The sidekick population in Smash makes me some mad that I feel every series should get their main villain plus a top tier goon in the roster. But that's crazy talk.

Hmm... Luigi, Falco, Diddy Kong... I forget the other sidekicks xD

 

[Chandeelure]

(Face Palms, sighs, then walks away)

Fairy beats Dark.

Maybe if Jigglypuff evolved when Greninja would just use surf and Water Pulse and it's dead

Jigglypuff has a lot of HP, so she would survive 2 Surfs!

 

[N3ON]

Looking at my May 2013 roster (before any characters were revealed) it's actually... not that bad anymore.

I got Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac, Mega Man and Pac-Man (back then only Palutena and Mac were generally agreed upon, to a lesser extent Mega Man). Missed Rosalina but got Bowser Jr. Takamaru was considered. Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy and Wolf have or are probably going to be added. I don't have Robin on this roster but I put him/her on a later version before they were revealed. Never had Chrom as so many did. K. Rool and Isaac stand decent chances through the ballot, and pretty much 95% of the rosters made back before the Ridley drama started did have him on it, so whatevs.

Didn't anticipate the Squirtle, Ivysaur, ICs, or Snake cut, but most people didn't either back then (or at least they didn't think we'd get Sonic without Snake). I included Toon Zelda... who as a previously planned potential clone is no worse a choice than the ones we ended up with imo.

Other than that... I don't have Villager because of Sakurai (he was on an earlier roster), WFT because why would I, DHD because unless you were @Arcadenik neither did you, Greninja because he wasn't even revealed at the time (still wouldn't have had him anyway though - people didn't really expect a sixth gen), or the Miis because forget the Miis. I did have them on a later roster though. Oh and the clones. But ehh, I didn't think we'd be getting such direct clones anyway.

I give it a 2015 rating of pretty solid/10.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Fairy beats Dark.

I know.

 

[Burruni]

Looking at my May 2013 roster (before any characters were revealed) it's actually... not that bad anymore.

I got Shulk, Palutena, Little Mac, Mega Man and Pac-Man (back then only Palutena and Mac were generally agreed upon, to a lesser extent Mega Man). Missed Rosalina but got Bowser Jr. Takamaru was considered. Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy and Wolf have or are probably going to be added. I don't have Robin on this roster but I put him/her on a later version before they were revealed. Never had Chrom as so many did. K. Rool and Isaac stand decent chances through the ballot, and pretty much 95% of the rosters made back before the Ridley drama started did have him on it, so whatevs.

Didn't anticipate the Squirtle, Ivysaur, ICs, or Snake cut, but most people didn't either back then (or at least they didn't think we'd get Sonic without Snake). I included Toon Zelda... who as a previously planned potential clone is no worse a choice than the ones we ended up with imo.

Other than that... I don't have Villager because of Sakurai (he was on an earlier roster), WFT because why would I, DHD because unless you were @Arcadenik neither did you, Greninja because he wasn't even revealed at the time (still wouldn't have had him anyway though - people didn't really expect a sixth gen), or the Miis because forget the Miis. I did have them on a later roster though. Oh and the clones. But ehh, I didn't think we'd be getting such direct clones anyway.

I give it a 2015 rating of pretty solid/10.

That is actually amazing.

In comparison, here's a recreation of my post-E3 2013 roster.

All I got was Miis, Palutena, and Greninja (Kalos Trainer was Chespin - Braixen - Greninja).
Then again I only had a whopping 8 extra slots of fighters from Brawl. So... 3 out of the 6 newcomers that I wrote in (technically 8, due to Kalos Trainer) made it in and two of the others got NPC roles. =P

Edit: I really should've at least TRIED for a more expanded pool of newcomers that early in.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That is actually amazing.

In comparison, here's a recreation of my post-E3 2013 roster.

All I got was Miis, Palutena, and Greninja (Kalos Trainer was Chespin - Braixen - Greninja).
Then again I only had a whopping 8 extra slots of fighters from Brawl. So... 3 out of the 6 newcomers that I wrote in (technically 8, due to Kalos Trainer) made it in and two of the others got NPC roles. =P

Edit: I really should've at least TRIED for a more expanded pool of newcomers that early in.

I made a power point on characters about....I'd say right before the release of Meta Knight. I got Bowser Jr. right. (Although I didn't think we would get another Mario character, so I don't think he counts.) Missed Dark Pit, and Alph (but he doesn't count). I was right about Wolf not returning. I was right about Squirtle and Ivysaur's absence. I was wrong about R.O.B., but right about the Ice Climbers.

Rereading my slide for the Third Party characters, I laughed at myself. I pretty much said this: "We aren't getting any more third parties. EDIT: I was wrong. Shulk confirmed". lol

 

[Pakky]

Can we talk about Slaptoon again? Because the amount of push Nintendo is giving them is crazy.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Can we talk about Slaptoon again? Because the amount of push Nintendo is giving them is crazy.

No. It's physically impossible.

 

[Champ Gold]

My original roster was:

Dixie
Toon Zelda

Bandana Dee
Mach Rider

 

[Pakky]

That is actually amazing.

In comparison, here's a recreation of my post-E3 2013 roster.

All I got was Miis, Palutena, and Greninja (Kalos Trainer was Chespin - Braixen - Greninja).
Then again I only had a whopping 8 extra slots of fighters from Brawl. So... 3 out of the 6 newcomers that I wrote in (technically 8, due to Kalos Trainer) made it in and two of the others got NPC roles. =P

Edit: I really should've at least TRIED for a more expanded pool of newcomers that early in.

I kind of knew Charizard was going to be by himself, Megaman i figured was in, and I thought Snake might get cut. Greninja was a surprise, and I figured after hearing about Namco's involvement that Pac-man was in, Palutena was assumed because Sakurai, Dark Pit wasn't even thought about, and almost everything else was a surprise. However I really did think Ridley was in but we know how that turned out. Also I figured Mewtwo would be back some how, because if not now then never.

 

[N3ON]

That is actually amazing.

In comparison, here's a recreation of my post-E3 2013 roster.

All I got was Miis, Palutena, and Greninja (Kalos Trainer was Chespin - Braixen - Greninja).
Then again I only had a whopping 8 extra slots of fighters from Brawl. So... 3 out of the 6 newcomers that I wrote in (technically 8, due to Kalos Trainer) made it in and two of the others got NPC roles. =P

Edit: I really should've at least TRIED for a more expanded pool of newcomers that early in.

Thanks! That roster is indicative of how they used to be... with a larger focus on popularity and overall importance than the new trend of recency. It was before anyone anticipated that's how the Smash 4 one would end up. Though I was still missing the really out-there picks that every roster ends up being comprised of. But even if I had had to pick them, they wouldn't have been the ones we ended up with.

I think there's only record of a single request for Wii Fit Trainer prior to her reveal (not counting Sal's), and it was a joke.

As for the Miis... I always expected them, I just never wanted to add them to my roster to be defiant towards the idea. xD

Can we talk about Slaptoon again? Because the amount of push Nintendo is giving them is crazy.

Splatoon is a great game at its core hindered by Nintendo being Nintendo.

 

[Pakky]

Splatoon is a great game at its core hindered by Nintendo being Nintendo.

Well thankfully the online was pretty solid when I played it last weekend. I wish the whole hour thing wasn't a thing but I preordered myself a copy so I'm not too hung up about it. At least I didn't have to pay for the demo or the online service to play it on. Jeez I hate Xbone and PS4. Love the games but jeez, the money walls are immense.

 

[N3ON]

I kind of knew Charizard was going to be by himself

So did I. About halfway through the Direct where ZSS and Sheik were revealed to be split up from their counterparts. Other than that,

Well thankfully the online was pretty solid when I played it last weekend.

The connection is fine. The complete lack of voice chat and delays of custom matchmaking, being able to team with friends and private games is not.

It feels like Splatoon is shipping as an unfinished product. These things they're adding later are basics of the genre that should be there from the outset.

 

[Pakky]

The connection is fine. The complete lack of voice chat and delays of custom matchmaking, being able to team with friends and private games is not.

It feels like Splatoon is shipping as an unfinished product. These things they're adding later are basics of the genre that should be there from the outset.

Well yeah, but I'm kind of glad there isn't voice chat. TF2 and Halo play have been well... like this

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which kills my vibe. Otherwise, I agree.

Speaking of which taunting someone in smash after you killed them terrible, I never do it. Also picking the same character as a person you just won against, against them is rude.

 

[N3ON]

It's understandable why people might not want to use voice chat with randoms. But I fail to see the downside to having it be optional (it could even be turned off as the default setting), with a mute option, or at the very least having it solely in private matches with friends (when those actually come out... in several months... -_-). Just because some people might not use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.

If any other publisher pulled this with an online-oriented team-based shooter there'd be hell to pay. Nintendo shouldn't get a free pass simply because they're Nintendo. It seems as far as Splatoon goes Nintendo has been taking one step forward then two steps backward.

I mean this is an online multiplayer-focused game and at launch the most robust part of it is going to be the single-player campaign. That's a little messed up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still really looking forward to this game, but much less so the more I learn about it unfortunately. :/

 

[Pakky]

It's understandable why people might not want to use voice chat with randoms. But I fail to see the downside to having it be optional (it could even be turned off as the default setting), with a mute option, or at the very least having it solely in private matches with friends (when those actually come out... in several months... -_-). Just because some people might not use it doesn't mean it shouldn't be there.

If any other publisher pulled this with an online-oriented team-based shooter there'd be hell to pay. Nintendo shouldn't get a free pass simply because they're Nintendo. It seems as far as Splatoon goes Nintendo has been taking one step forward then two steps backward.

I mean this is an online multiplayer-focused game and at launch the most robust part of it is going to be the single-player campaign. That's a little messed up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still really looking forward to this game, but much less so the more I learn about it unfortunately. :/

I agree and understand what you're saying. Well on the bright side progress is being made but yes Nintendo shouldn't be immune to criticism.

 

[BluePikmin11]

My first prediction roster was so unrealistic.
The same would probably go for everyone here.

 

[Champ Gold]

My first prediction roster was so unrealistic.
The same would probably go for everyone here.

Mine was close. Considering my choices where perceived as impossible

People said weren't gonna be back and I pushed saying they had an incredible chance of coming back and look what happen

People said can't get in because he's boring and because had boxing gloves and that excuse was throw into the fire

People said had zero shot and Chrom was much more worthy and I was delusional, well guess what happen on #MonadoMonday and speaking of Monado

Man the were insane, ignoring Gemastu, they were adamant that can't get in for getting how Nintendo was pushing Xenoblade X

And then there the whole argument whether Sakurai would go with Classic or Modern cartoon design for when I directly said Ghostly Adventures would be ignored because it was a western cartoon. But now, Namco was gonna use his cartoon because why?

I was wrong on&

 

[Xzsmmc]

The only predictions I made were that Little Mac and Mewtwo were locks. Guess I was 75% right.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

People said had zero shot and Chrom was much more worthy and I was delusional, well guess what happen on #MonadoMonday and speaking of Monado

Man the were insane, ignoring Gemastu, they were adamant that can't get in for getting how Nintendo was pushing Xenoblade X

One of these things is not like the other.

 

[Champ Gold]

One of these things is not like the other.

What are trying to say? I'm stating that the Shulk detractors were annoying

 

[N3ON]

Here's (to the best of my memory) my first SSB4 roster. It's from... 2009. And it's not that bad (as far as being reasonable, not so much accurate haha)! Apart from Geno. lol

The series icons are placeholders. This was before Gen V and before Awakening. At this point we were just getting a bunch of Marth remakes, and I knew Radiant Dawn would've been too far away from whenever Smash 4 ended up coming out. The Smash icon was for a future series, later I would fill it with Shulk. But probably not for a while later, Rainfall was still a ways off.

A few things to keep in mind though. This was before Uprising, Krystal's popularity hadn't yet been diverted to Palutena. It was also before SF didn't get a game other than a remake for nine years. Namco was years away from entering the picture. Tingle was still getting regular games in his sub-series, Geno's popularity still hadn't faded to what it is now, and Starfy's worldwide release had just happened. Also at this point Lucario hadn't become such a fixture in his series. This was also the year Dark Dawn was announced, so Isaac's popularity was doing gangbusters (especially since a lot of people thought Matthew was Isaac back then). Plus then it'd only been a few years since the last F-Zero... not over a decade... Goroh still had a decent amount of popularity.

This was also back when popularity and importance were much more important than recency.

I think I was still aware of Sakurai's statements about Villager and Sukapon but I guess I didn't care, lol. Shouldn't have taken Villager off my roster, haha. Sukapon was definitely my wtf/obscure retro pick.

I give it a not half bad for the times/10.

It's interesting to look back on things and see how different the landscape was.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I just remember that back then if your roster didn't bring back all of the Brawl veterans, (as well as Mewtwo) and add Ridley, King K. Rool, Palutena, Little Mac, Takamaru, and Shulk everyone would give you ****, and you could never win when it came to adding a new Fire Emblem character.

 

[N3ON]

Shulk only became mandatory post Gematsu Round 2.

 

[Deleted member]

So did I. About halfway through the Direct where ZSS and Sheik were revealed to be split up from their counterparts. Other than that,

Funny thing; while I didn't predict that Charizard would for sure be going solo, I did predict that should the Pokémon Trainer be unable to return due to hardware reasoning, Charizard would be the only one of his Pokémon that would go solo. Simply because he's ****in' Charizard.



Here's the old post of mine for proof:

Fat chance that if Pokémon Trainer can't be done as a trio that Squirtle and Ivysaur would be standalone. Especially Ivysaur.
It would just be Charizard.

http://smashboards.com/threads/super-smash-bros-4-wii-u-3ds-topic.324221/page-512#post-15588505

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Hm... For newcomers....

I was very confident (Post Gematsu) would be in. I was also confident in Ridley, King K.Rool, Dixie Kong and Isaac. This was before E3 2013.

I wasn't too sure but thought these guys had good chances. (Pre Gematsu)(Pre Gematsu) I also thought Ray, Bandana Dee and Toad had good chances.

These guys surprised me as I thought they were unlikely though I had considered them. (Post Gematsu)

Scoffed at .

Was absolutely blindsided by.


For vets?

Was pretty confident would return. Same with.

I WAS SO DAMN SURE WE WERE GETTING ON THE INITIAL ROSTER!

blindsided me.

 

[memoryman3]

I correctly predicted that would be cut the moment that MGS V wasn't coming for Wii U. He and Konami don't have a good relationship with Nintendo. Konami hasn't made a SINGLE Wii U game yet!

Expected and and (I was desperately trying to unlock the Mii in Brawl)


Completely caught me off guard.


When Alph and the Koopalings were confirmed, I was SURE that they were going to give Daisy the same treatment.....

 

[Kenith]

My first prediction roster for Smash 4 was extremely outdated.
If I was going off that roster then I got a lot wrong...but at the time I didn't know what I was talking about.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Every character I wanted/expected didn't happen. Though I did think Pac-Man and Miis would work

 

[Wintropy]

Are you talking about the English thing with the curtain that may or may not be a curtain, possibly male My Unit's robe?

I was referring to Kid Icarus and how the script is pretty intense for a 12+ game.

And, as I say, the Fire Emblem thing remains unaltered in the PAL version.

 

[FalKoopa]

This was my post E3 2013 roster.

About half of my guesses were right. (ZSS and Sheik were part of Zelda and Samus), but I underestimated the cuts.

 

[A Distant Demon]

My very first prediction was the most accurate and ot only got less accurate as i added things :x
Although half my guesses were from ignorance. . .
I dont have any old sources saying so because o didnt have an account. Trust me or not.

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Predicted Wi fit trainer because of being a "hardware" rep like game and watch and rob (strangly i also thought the zapper might be represented by the duck hunt but predicted the balance biard instead)

Villager because i didnt know sakurai said it was inpossible

Presicted solo zard because everyone i knew hated the trio mechanics and the other two couldn't stand alone

Wolf and lucas cuts out of lack of recency (didnt know command existed. So much ignorance )

Predicted lucina on a whim. No idea what gematsu was.

Palutena and little mac just seemed obvious for some reason

Bowser jr was more bias on my part of being my most wanted in brawl but pre rosalina i thought he was in

Didnt expect a dk newconer because i didnt know who k rool was and dixie would be a clone (how ive changed!)

Thought miis were inevitable

Expected zoroark and mewtwo. Recency

No idea who robin was

Didnt expect 3rd party newcomera

Didnt expect snake cut

Didnt expect ic cut

Expected rob or GaW cut


Didnt predict any other newcomer including shulk DP greninja rosalina etc

So my first guess was pretty good. But i entered this community and added ghirahim, impa ridley medusa cut lucina for chrom and wound up getting more and more things wrong. I think the only thing i wound up positively adding was IC cut
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[Cutie Gwen]

I was referring to Kid Icarus and how the script is pretty intense for a 12+ game.

And, as I say, the Fire Emblem thing remains unaltered in the PAL version.

PAL got rid of Tharja's boingy bits though

 

[Baskerville]

were the only newcomers I consistently had in my old rosters.
I thought was going to be in initially.
along with I wasn't expecting to get cut. (This was before those leaks happened mind you)
lol wut
still ass I see ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[YoshiandToad]

DHD because unless you were @Arcadenik neither did you

Or someone who ended up following the thread Arcadenik made/played SSB: Crusade. I know I had him as my retro guess, but everyone else seemed to berate the DHD fans for choosing him over Takamaru.

Fun times.

That said I managed to guess:

/ and / right, although I only had confidence with the first three since Takamaru/Lip and Chrom were the one's that were seen as shoe-ins.
I also guessed Roy and Mewtwo would be back, but I didn't think it'd be via DLC.

I'd like to say I guessed and but I only really thought them likely due to the sheer overpowering opinions of Smashboards members.

I also joined the fan club but honestly thought he had no chance in hell. How ironic he was the one Mario character I supported that got in.

Other things I got completely wrong;
Toad being a fighter(wrong forever it seems *deep sigh*)
being implemented in a creative and fun way
not being overpowered
returning
being even considered

Isaac being promoted to fighter.
/ being a thing.
/ being mildly more fun than expected.

 

[False Sense]

: Didn't predict due to Sakurai's previous statement on him.
: Predicted.
: Did anybody predict her?
: Surprised me. I was expecting Bowser Jr. at the time.
: Predicted.
: Caught me completely off guard.
: Had expected them previously, but just before E3 I found them less likely.
: Predicted.
: Predicted.
: I was one of the few who thought Robin was a possibility, even after Gematsu.
: Predicted.
: Initially predicted, but surprised me after Rosalina.
: Didn't see that coming.
: Didn't consider that possibility.

 

[mark welford]

Pertaining to the roster I didn't try to predict I was just excited to see newcomers but I was more heartbroken than happy because of the ESRB leak not seeing Wolf on the roster but I found hope in the announcement of Lucas and the leak of Roy and Ryu.