Character Discussion Thread

[MagnesD3]

Since the Ryu Thread is without any movement after my last post yesterday (and I'll not bump with double post), here's just something I made;..

I hope someone can notice the reference (or I'm just a SF nerd. :\/ ).

Soon

Hopefully this means Nintendo vs. Capcom.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think Roger Smith has a good point with the guns here:



Most of her weapons are so fantastical, they are to the point where they don't feel like real guns at all.


I do understand the situation here, and it's something Sakurai can easily strike a balance with Bayonetta's main appeal while avoiding noticeable nudity if he wanted her in the game, there are multiple ways of getting through the situation. He would be extremely aware of the situation at hand.


It's not the only quality, with her large library of moves that come in the form of her hair, witch time, torture attacks, her personality, the way she does combat and her fantasy-like guns make her one of the most unique potential additions Sakurai could consider for DLC. I don't know how many times I have to reiterate this to convince you that she fits in the game.

That explanation of how her guns work is...silly to me.

They're guns. They're her trademark weapon. They fire bullets. Her personality is filled with sexual nuances and references. She strips as she attacks...regardless of whether or not it's just a power fantasy, translating that to Smash is a very strong decrease in all of those areas. She wouldn't be Bayonetta.

I'll played the games. They feel like real guns. She grabs them, points them and shoots them. Like a gun.

Don't even know why I'm getting into this because the answer is just going to be, "Sakurai could make her a character though, so you're wrong!"

 

[Pakky]

I'm kind of convinced that Inklings are going to be in regardless of anything, if not I'll be shocked.

 

[Chandeelure]

The Smash item, the Ray Gun, is a pistol that shoots lasers, and those lasers push people.
Its design still was changed because it looked like a real gun.

It doesn't matter if Bayonetta uses guns as shoes XD
They are still guns.

 

[Ura]

Judging from your avatar, you also want the Roy from FE:Awakening right?
Most people really want the one from Melee, and that seems more likely since haven't drastically changed, but who knows

Yeah but the Awakening attire is also highly requested for Roy to use when he returns (along with a revamped moveset) and the fact that Marth and Ike got new attires in the game. It would be a huge wasted opportunity to not include that smexy Awakening attire as his primary attire. He can still keep his Melee attire as an alt though the Awakening one is a much much better choice for his primary attire.

 

[Pakky]

Soon very soon

 

[N3ON]

I think Roger Smith has a good point with the guns here:



Most of her weapons are so fantastical, they are to the point where they don't feel like real guns at all.


I do understand the situation here, and it's something Sakurai can easily strike a balance with Bayonetta's main appeal while avoiding noticeable nudity if he wanted her in the game, there are multiple ways of getting through the situation. He would be extremely aware of the situation at hand.


It's not the only quality, with her large library of moves that come in the form of her hair, witch time, torture attacks, her personality, the way she does combat and her fantasy-like guns make her one of the most unique potential additions Sakurai could consider for DLC. I don't know how many times I have to reiterate this to convince you that she fits in the game.

What is boils down to is if she was included, the character would end up being altered so she could fit in the game, which is inherently not a "natural fit". She could work, but only if she was changed more than any other character so far, so saying she blends with Smash well and "works" is a stretch at best. She can be made to work through sacrificing who she is as a character, which is a practice Sakurai for the most part stays away from, and if Sakurai isn't going to compromise a character like Ridley, it stands to reason he wouldn't for the likes of Bayonetta. She's not even a Nintendo character, she had one game with Nintendo, it didn't do well, and her promotional window has passed.

Also, what @ Scoliosis Jones said.

Valhalla Game Studios owns the Devil's Third IP making Ivan a third-party character. Like Rayman and Commander Video Ivan will only be a trophy if he's lucky.

Source?

 

[YoshiandToad]

I remember about two years ago I really wanted Travis Touchdown...but then I thought about it.

For Travis to get in he'd need to;

• Stop swearing when he fights
• His sword regeneration would have to go since it's one big masturbation joke
• He'd have to not be a violent anti-hero/sociopath who slices all his opponents to bloody ribbons whilst screaming the name of his favourite dessert or turning into a freaking tiger.

In other words he'd have to stop being literally everything I enjoyed about the character and what made him so refreshing in the first place.

Is Bayonetta not in the exact same sort of position?

 

[Deleted member]

I'm kind of convinced that Inklings are going to be in regardless of anything, if not I'll be shocked.

Outside of Ryu (who's been leaked), no newcomer should be considered a shoe-in or even close to it. Especially not a completely new IP.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm kind of convinced that Inklings are going to be in regardless of anything, if not I'll be shocked.

Pretty convinced of this as well. And am actually fine with the idea, they seem hugely unique.

 

[MainJPW]

I'm kind of convinced that Inklings are going to be in regardless of anything, if not I'll be shocked.

Yeah, for the next installment, sure.

No newcomer should be considered a shoe-in or even close to it. Especially not a completely new IP.

Especially said IP whose game hasn't been released yet.

 

[Wintropy]

I remember about two years ago I really wanted Travis Touchdown...but then I thought about it.

For Travis to get in he'd need to;

• Stop swearing when he fights
• His sword regeneration would have to go since it's one big masturbation joke
• He'd have to not be a violent anti-hero/sociopath who slices all his opponents to bloody ribbons whilst screaming the name of his favourite dessert or turning into a freaking tiger.

In other words he'd have to stop being literally everything I enjoyed about the character and what made him so refreshing in the first place.

Is Bayonetta not in the exact same sort of position?

This is a very good point. I felt the exact same way - No More Heroes is one my all-time favourite games - and then I realised it just wouldn't work in Smash. If Travis can't swear, make crude innuendos, slice his enemies into greasy smears and disembowel people as a raging tiger god, he's not Travis. He's just an egotistical nerd with a shiny sword and a cool bike. The adult themes are integral to his character.

Pretty convinced of this as well. And am actually fine with the idea, they seem hugely unique.

Inkling would make me so happy. Instant favourite~ :3

 

[Spinosaurus]

I would actually non ironically welcome DBZ Goku with open arms

But I'm a DBZ nut and the recent series resurgence has gotten me in the mood for more DBZ in my life so carry on

I'm guessing everyone that liked this post is totally ok with Goku as well.
You're cool.

 

[Pakky]

Outside of Ryu (who's been leaked), no newcomer should be considered a shoe-in or even close to it. Especially not a completely new IP.

Yeah, for the next installment, sure.


Especially said IP whose game hasn't been released yet.

The reason why I say i'm convinced, is because historically there have been characters introduced in smash to advertise games that have yet to come out.

-Roy in Melee
-Pit in Brawl by like two years which is crazy.

and now possibly Inkling here, seeing as how no one fills that role.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I remember about two years ago I really wanted Travis Touchdown...but then I thought about it.

For Travis to get in he'd need to;

• Stop swearing when he fights
• His sword regeneration would have to go since it's one big masturbation joke
• He'd have to not be a violent anti-hero/sociopath who slices all his opponents to bloody ribbons whilst screaming the name of his favourite dessert or turning into a freaking tiger.

In other words he'd have to stop being literally everything I enjoyed about the character and what made him so refreshing in the first place.

Is Bayonetta not in the exact same sort of position?

Yes she is.

At least Snake could pass it off being a bit more child-friendly because of his arsenal of explosives. I don't see the same thing happening for Bayonetta and Travis Touchdown.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Snake is pretty down to earth compared to Travis and Bayonetta.

 

[MainJPW]

I'm honestly more okay with the Goku in that particular image.

Spoiler

#KidGoku4Lyfe

 

[Diddy Kong]

Snake is pretty down to earth compared to Travis and Bayonetta.

Worst Snake would do is smoking a cigarette, and using less child-friendly weapons as real life guns and knives. Maybe swear to? This isn't anything near as bad as Bayonetta and Travis' obvious sexual references. I could envision Snake using guns and knives in Smash happen earlier than Bayonetta and Travis being there at all.

 

[A Distant Demon]

-Pit in Brawl by like two years which is crazy.

but pt wasnt added for advertising. Uprising wasnt even in development if i remember correctly.

And does roy honestly even count? He was a clone. . .

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

but put wasnt added for advertising. Uprising wasnt even in development if i remember correctly.

And does toy honestly even count? He was a clone. . .

put and toy are my favorite characters.

but pt wasnt added for advertising.

pt is even better!

 

[MainJPW]

but Pit wasnt added for advertising. Uprising wasnt even in development if i remember correctly.

Your right, it wasn't. Pit was added as a result of being a popular request.

 

[Deleted member]

The reason why I say i'm convinced, is because historically there have been characters introduced in smash to advertise games that have yet to come out.

-Roy in Melee
-Pit in Brawl by like two years which is crazy.

and now possibly Inkling here, seeing as how no one fills that role.

Why are people saying Pit was adding in Brawl for advertisement purposes? He was added because of fan demand and at the time of Pit's inclusion, Sakurai was not thinking about reviving the Kid Icarus franchise that came after Brawl got released. And as for Roy, he wasn't included just for advertisement purposes. Leif was going to be the Marth clone until Sakurai went to get approval from Intelligent System who then showed him Roy and Sakurai agreed to put him in instead due to Roy being more visually distinct. Even if we do count Roy as a pure advertisement character, keep in mind that he came from the successful Fire Emblem franchise whereas Splatoon is an entirely new thing for Nintendo. It's a much bigger risk to place in Inklings as promotion for Splatoon, the first game in a new IP, when we have no idea how it will even perform.

I don't see Inklings added to be cross-promotion for Splatoon. I feel as if they get in as DLC they will come from the ballot.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Pit's inclusion in Brawl lead to Uprising, not the other way around.

 

[Burruni]

Yep.
Inkling's totally can't be in the game because their game hasn't come out yet.
Except it comes out in a month, with a about a 4 month buffer for the ballot to STILL be going on after it comes out.
It ISN'T out now but WILL have for a significant time once the ballot comes to a close.

 

[Wintropy]

According to hearsay, Roy wasn't intended to be added at all. Sakurai actually wanted Leif from FE5 to appear as a Marth clone, though Intelligent Systems requested that he use Roy from the upcoming FE6 instead.

If anybody wants to debunk that rumour, go ahead~

 

[Deleted member]

@ PushDustIn may have finally put the cednym information to rest. Which includes the Leif bit.

 

[Champ Gold]

Yep.
Inkling's totally can't be in the game because their game hasn't come out yet.
Except it comes out in a month, with a about a 4 month buffer for the ballot to STILL be going on after it comes out.
It ISN'T out now but WILL have for a significant time once the ballot comes to a close.

We don't know these things get. Things can change and no one is ever a shoe-in because of it.

We don't know if the game is gonna be a success yet and we're already guarantee a spot for a character who isn't even a year old yet.

When the support for John in Codename: STEAM? Nope. But Inkling, deserves a spot more So than anyone else I guess. Let's ignore established franchises for a new series that hasn't had footing yet because we need to.

Give Splatoon at least a FULL YEAR before saying it's a major establish new franchise. Xenoblade had 4 years before being in Smash and 2 before development. Splatoon isn't even out yet

 

[Wintropy]

@ PushDustIn may have finally put the cednym information to rest. Which includes the Leif bit.

Good to know~

So Roy was intended as a marketing ploy from the get-go?

 

[Deleted member]

Good to know~

So Roy was intended as a marketing ploy from the get-go?

Signs point to yes.
Unless PushDust found something in particular about Roy within the questionnaire.

 

[PushDustIn]

@ PushDustIn may have finally put the cednym information to rest. Which includes the Leif bit.

Not 100%, but close. I might have a full answer soon.

Good to know~

So Roy was intended as a marketing ploy from the get-go?

It appears that he was added around the same time that other clones were added. For additional information on characters check my Unused Fighter List.

 

[Wintropy]

When the support for John in Codename: STEAM? Nope. But Inkling, deserves a spot more So than anyone else I guess. Let's ignore established franchises for a new series that hasn't had footing yet because we need to.

There's actually a support thread for Henry Fleming as well as Abraham Lincoln. Codename: S.T.E.A.M. definitely has its supporters.

 

[mark welford]

There's actually a support thread for Henry Fleming as well as Abraham Lincoln. Codename: S.T.E.A.M. definitely has its supporters.

Four score and seven years ago our fore fathers laid a beatdown on the Smash cast and I came to finish the job. I'm sorry but it sounded funny in my head.

 

[Burruni]

We don't know these things get. Things can change and no one is ever a shoe-in because of it.

We don't know if the game is gonna be a success yet and we're already guarantee a spot for a character who isn't even a year old yet.

When the support for John in Codename: STEAM? Nope. But Inkling, deserves a spot more So than anyone else I guess. Let's ignore established franchises for a new series that hasn't had footing yet because we need to.

Give Splatoon at least a FULL YEAR before saying it's a major establish new franchise. Xenoblade had 4 years before being in Smash and 2 before development. Splatoon isn't even out yet

Never said Inklings were a shoe-in.

We don't know to what extent, if any, the game is going to be a success. We can only speculate.

Codename: STEAM never really got support because it wasn't as hyped or popular when compared to many other franchises and one-off games. It came and went without much of a word. Frankly the biggest gain from it is that Marth now has an english voice due to the Amiibo compatability. (And Abe Lincoln was already sworn in as a mech suit gunner before the game was even announced!)

Never said that we should IGNORE old franchises or that we NEED to support Splatoon.

All I was saying that the point of "It hasn't even come out yet" is one that will be dunked less than a third of the way through the Ballot period as the full release is coming quite soon.

Does that say anything about how Splatoon is an established franchise? No. Does that say that Inklings are the wave of the future for a Smash character? Certainly not. I support them, but my post had nothing to do with that. It was solely talking about how the release date is coming up quite soon for a game that has been quite hyped since E3 last year and frankly got more played up coverage then and arguably more fan support than anything else Nintendo showed off there other than Smash Bros. itself.

 

[PushDustIn]

Somewhat related to your discussion: Codename: S.T.E.A.M. isn't actually out in Japan yet. I wonder how Japanese players will react to it. It's a very American-centric story.

Personally, I'm a huge Inkling supporter, but I realize that since the game actually hasn't come out yet...their chances are up in the air. However, we do know that Sakurai did consider brand new franchises for Brawl...it's just that most of them were new series that weren't apt to fighting (Nintendogs, Animal Crossing [at the time]).

 

[Ura]

I'm not a big fan of the Inklings though i'm not going to rain on their parade if they get confirmed like a lot of haters/detractors do to Roy supporters.

 

[FalKoopa]

Raining on a confirmed character's parade is foolish. You'll simply get a 'Haters gonna hate' reaction.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I think it's foolish to rain on anyone's parade. If someone is parading and thinking their unconfirmed character is a shoe-in, their disappointment to see otherwise will be more than enough raining.

 

[A Distant Demon]

A wise man once said

dont be a ****

Words to live by.
Seriously no reason to act against someone for their opinions. Its just rude and silly.

As for inklings not only have they gotten huge advertisement but they are also quite popular. And this is before the game comes out. Their popularity is likely to soar soon.

The question is "is it enough?"

Edit censor ruined my quote. . .

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know, all this Inkling talk is making me think, do Inklings have melee weapons that aren't giant paint rollers?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Blue, for the love of god, please STOP talking about Bayonetta! She isn't gonna make the game no matter how many points you're gonna post because at the end of the day, she's not who she is if they water her character down. The same concept applies for WWE wrestlers. Once they make the main roster, their moveset is watered down pretty hard, even if they can wrestle like a pro