Character Discussion Thread

[Cutie Gwen]

Ok. It's a gun. So what? I really don't understand this argument.

Name one gun in smash 4 that resembles a real life gun

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Yay more supporters of Lyn!
To me, Lyn will forever be the most beautiful FE character

Who are your guys' favorite FE females?

 

[Wintropy]

Name one gun in smash 4 that resembles a real life gun

Well, Duck Hunt's Gunmen use pretty realistic firearms. Even if they're 8-bit pixels, they still make synthesised discharge noises and plumes of smoke when fired.

That and their Final Smash is basically execution by firing squad.

Yay more supporters of Lyn!
To me, Lyn will forever be the most beautiful FE character

Who are your guys' favorite FE females?

Most of my favourite Fire Emblem characters in Smash are female or have female forms:

Lucina
Robin
Tiki
Anna
Lyn
Kamui
Aqua

The only ones that don't quite fit this criteria would be the likes of Marth and Ike (in terms of pre-existing character, since I like all of the Fire Emblem characters as it is) and disconfirmed / non-confirmed fighters like Chrom and Roy. Even so, I'm not as interested in them as I am the ladies.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Well, Duck Hunt's Gunmen use pretty realistic firearms. Even if they're 8-bit pixels, they still make synthesised discharge noises and plumes of smoke when fired.

That and their Final Smash is basically execution by firing squad.

Alright, point taken, but I think the 8-bit part takes that away a little

 

[Champ Gold]

Yay more supporters of Lyn!
To me, Lyn will forever be the most beautiful FE character

Who are your guys' favorite FE females?

I like me some Lyn but she ain't no Tiki.

Heck I doubt she's better than Mia, Say'ri and Lissa

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Name one gun in smash 4 that resembles a real life gun

Sheriff, Duck Hunt Gunman, Infantry and Tanks.

The thing these things all have in common is that they're pixelized. However, if the bullets aren't visable, which no doubt they wouldn't be, I don't understand the problem. It's not *bang*=bleeding corpse. It's *bang*=2% damage.

 

[Wintropy]

Alright, point taken, but I think the 8-bit part takes that away a little

If we're arguing aesthetics as a point against their realism, Bayonetta's guns shouldn't really be much of an issue. They look pretty fantastical in the same way that the Wild Gunmen's armaments look like comical firearms.

I don't support Bayonetta or anything, I'm just saying that Smash does have pseudo-realistic guns.

 

[BluePikmin11]

'Ridiculous design' Doesn't help in it's favour when it's still clearly a pistol 'high fire rate' how is that an argument that helps? You're acting like the DBZ fans who are saying "What if Toei made an anime for Nintendo? That'll put him in!"

Would you expect a gun like the above to fire at super rapid rate and have a unusually colorful design? Think about it for a second.
Compare this gun with Bayonetta's and see if it looks like the average real life gun.

bruh. . .thats a straight up gun and has every feature of a gun. just because its painted blue and has a keybalde keychain doesnt make it less a a freaking ballistic handgun.

That's the thing, it's a handgun that fires at a ridiculous rate, which is pretty unrealistic as far as handguns go.

 

[Wintropy]

Even putting aside the whole gun debate, there's a lot standing between Bayonetta and Smash.

I'm not even going to bring up the stripping or the swearing, I'm sure they could work around it somehow. I'm more so thinking of the fact that she's third-party.

Not that that should stop anyone supporting her, or indeed that it stops me from supporting some of my favourite characters, but it is still a pretty sizable hurdle to overcome.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Even putting aside the whole gun debate, there's a lot standing between Bayonetta and Smash.

I'm not even going to bring up the stripping or the swearing, I'm sure they could work around it somehow. I'm more so thinking of the fact that she's third-party.

Not that that should stop anyone supporting her, or indeed that it stops me from supporting some of my favourite characters, but it is still a pretty sizable hurdle to overcome.

^ This. All of my this. ^

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yes I would if it's an automatic pistol, as in, a pistol with a high firing rate

Would you expect a gun like the above to fire at super rapid rate and have a unusually colorful design? Think about it for a second.
Compare this gun with Bayonetta's and see if it looks like the average real life gun.


That's the thing, it's a handgun that fires at a ridiculous rate, which is pretty unrealistic as far as handguns go.

If we're arguing aesthetics as a point against their realism, Bayonetta's guns shouldn't really be much of an issue. They look pretty fantastical in the same way that the Wild Gunmen's armaments look like comical firearms.

I don't support Bayonetta or anything, I'm just saying that Smash does have pseudo-realistic guns.

Why doesn't Snake have guns in his moveset again? Anyone care to remind me?

Sheriff, Duck Hunt Gunman, Infantry and Tanks.

The thing these things all have in common is that they're pixelized. However, if the bullets aren't visable, which no doubt they wouldn't be, I don't understand the problem. It's not *bang*=bleeding corpse. It's *bang*=2% damage.

With pixels, you can't completely tell it from a design point

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

With pixels, you can't completely tell it from a design point

Children aren't as stupid as you think.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Children aren't as stupid as you think.

In the 90's kids put themselves on fire because of Beavis and Butthead. Kids are also much worse these days, saw one with an earring threatening his sister to 'shut the **** up or else' in the shops. The mother did nothing btw

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

In the 90's kids put themselves on fire because of Beavis and Butthead. Kids are also much worse these days, saw one with an earring threatening his sister to 'shut the **** up or else' in the shops. The mother did nothing btw

*sigh* And even they are, they would struggle to tell the various guns apart, right?

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I still stand by my idea of keeping the guns in the shoes so that they don't have to be loaded and fired the classic way.

But it's getting pretty boring discussing another one of BluePikmin's wanted.
Next thing I want is turning this in the Official BluePikmin discussion thread.

So 'bout that jumpman Captain Toad, do people still think he has a chance or has his fire died down?

 

[FalKoopa]

Yay more supporters of Lyn!
To me, Lyn will forever be the most beautiful FE character

Who are your guys' favorite FE females?

And she's supposedly 15 years old in the Japanese version.

Favourite FE female is Mia.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

*sigh* And even they are, they would struggle to tell the various guns apart, right?

8 bit has that effect on people, they only care about realistic things, with 3D graphics

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yes I would if it's an automatic pistol, as in, a pistol with a high firing rate


Why doesn't Snake have guns in his moveset again? Anyone care to remind me?

With pixels, you can't completely tell it from a design point

This is probably the closest automatic pistol I could find, and while it shoots at a rapid rate, it doesn't have the unrealistic longevity of Bayonetta's guns can keep shooting at and have infinite ammo and recharge at the same time.

 

[Champ Gold]

I still stand by my idea of keeping the guns in the shoes so that they don't have to be loaded and fired the classic way.

But it's getting pretty boring discussing another one of BluePikmin's wanted.
Next thing I want is turning this in the Official BluePikmin discussion thread.

So 'bout that jumpman Captain Toad, do people still think he has a chance or has his fire died down?

If you're a Mario character, your chances never die down, unless your name is Waluigi, Daisy or those days of expecting Petey Pirrana

 

[Wintropy]

Why doesn't Snake have guns in his moveset again? Anyone care to remind me?

Because Snake is a soldier from a relatively realistic series of espionage titles that deal with such themes as child soldiers, nuclear weapons, infidelity and socio-political intrigue? It's kinda hard to make those guns look silly or fantastical without compromising the integrity of the character.

That's not to say that Snake can't be silly or goofy in Smash, because he is, and that's why I love him as a part of the roster. But while his character and lore may be quirky and have some humorous moments, his fighting style is relatively authentic and feels like you're playing an actual human being: both aspects of his character pay homage to his source material, the quirky, zany lore juxtaposed with the serious martial arts and realistic weaponry. He can pick up and play with a Ray Gun or a Nintendo Scope all he likes and it's fine, because that's an extension of his character and not inherent in his actual style or source material - in much the same way that Ganondorf can fight with Lip's Stick while wearing a Bunny Hood, he would nevertheless seem very silly if his default moveset featured him throwing kittens and punching rainbows. So, in essence, it's because Snake would have to wield realistic firearms or not wield firearms at all: zany magic pistols or pixelated handguns just wouldn't fit with the character's default moveset.

From a purely aesthetic perspective, Sakurai has said that realistic firearms wouldn't fit into the tone or style of Smash. Operative word being realistic. Even so, he's evidently okay with the Wild Gunmen shooting their foes with what seem to act very much like authentic firearms, right down to the sound effects and visual cues; their Final Smash literally has the opponent(s) gunned down en masse by a firing squad!

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

8 bit has that effect on people, they only care about realistic things, with 3D graphics

like Fox's Blaster and Samus' Plasma Pistol, and if they're observant enough, the gun Falcon carries.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This is probably the closest automatic pistol I could find, and while it shoots at a rapid rate, it doesn't have the unrealistic longevity of Bayonetta's guns can keep shooting at and have infinite ammo and recharge at the same time.

Maybe because having infinite ammo is a genuine impossibility. How would you do that in gameplay? Press B to constantly shoot bullets that flinch?

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Maybe because having infinite ammo is a genuine impossibility. How would you do that in gameplay? Press B to constantly shoot bullets that flinch?

I know Link and Villager have deep pockets, but come on! Everyone has infinite everything. Bayonetta would be no different.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

If you're a Mario character, your chances never die down, unless your name is Waluigi, Daisy or those days of expecting Petey Pirrana

Still want Peter

I think as well, and since Nintendo "Own creations only" EAD is the team behind the creation of Captain Toad, I think his future is set too.

BANANETTA: These guns can be adjusted in how they work, even removing the need to load would make them less realistic than the "guns" in game already.

Heck, not even that. Ray Gun has a noticable time frame where it is preparing to shoot.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

like Fox's Blaster and Samus' Plasma Pistol, and if they're observant enough, the gun Falcon carries.

Samus' paralyzer is also a whip, and the blaster got an update, remember?

Because Snake is a soldier from a relatively realistic series of espionage titles that deal with such themes as child soldiers, nuclear weapons, infidelity and socio-political intrigue? It's kinda hard to make those guns look silly or fantastical without compromising the integrity of the character.

That's not to say that Snake can't be silly or goofy in Smash, because he is, and that's why I love him as a part of the roster. But while his character and lore may be quirky and have some humorous moments, his fighting style is relatively authentic and feels like you're playing an actual human being: both aspects of his character pay homage to his source material, the quirky, zany lore juxtaposed with the serious martial arts and realistic weaponry. He can pick up and play with a Ray Gun or a Nintendo Scope all he likes and it's fine, because that's an extension of his character and not inherent in his actual style or source material - in much the same way that Ganondorf can fight with Lip's Stick while wearing a Bunny Hood, he would nevertheless seem very silly if his default moveset featured him throwing kittens and punching rainbows. So, in essence, it's because Snake would have to wield realistic firearms or not wield firearms at all: zany magic pistols or pixelated handguns just wouldn't fit with the character's default moveset.

From a purely aesthetic perspective, Sakurai has said that realistic firearms wouldn't fit into the tone or style of Smash. Operative word being realistic. Even so, he's evidently okay with the Wild Gunmen shooting their foes with what seem to act very much like authentic firearms, right down to the sound effects and visual cues; their Final Smash literally has the opponent(s) gunned down en masse by a firing squad!

Snake has a tranquilizer, something the PMDT remembered and used. Bayo's guns still look realistic other than keychains, not to mention Bayo's character is definitely adult too

 

[Wintropy]

In the 90's kids put themselves on fire because of Beavis and Butthead. Kids are also much worse these days, saw one with an earring threatening his sister to 'shut the **** up or else' in the shops. The mother did nothing btw

Then that's the responsibility of the parent or legal guardian to educate their children, not the fault of the creator of a fictional universe to babysit the children with appropriate imagery.

Let's not play moral guardians over here.

I still stand by my idea of keeping the guns in the shoes so that they don't have to be loaded and fired the classic way.

But it's getting pretty boring discussing another one of BluePikmin's wanted.
Next thing I want is turning this in the Official BluePikmin discussion thread.

So 'bout that jumpman Captain Toad, do people still think he has a chance or has his fire died down?

I think Captain Toad has a good chance of making it into Smash - if not now, then I hope he's still got his fans by the time the next game rolls around. Judging by the creator's excitement at making Captain Toad a recurring character, though, I think he'll be okay.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know Link and Villager have deep pockets, but come on! Everyone has infinite everything. Bayonetta would be no different.

With 'genuine impossibility' I meant 'impossible in real life'

BANANETTA.

Now I remember MasaeAnela's profile pic when she did DKCR

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Can we now talk about how Bayonetta is impossible since she's naked when she wins?

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

With 'genuine impossibility' I meant 'impossible in real life'

You asked how they'd do that in gameplay. That was my unimpressed wording of "they already have"

 

[Wintropy]

Snake has a tranquilizer, something the PMDT remembered and used. Bayo's guns still look realistic other than keychains, not to mention Bayo's character is definitely adult too

Yes, Snake does indeed have a tranquiliser - a tool that is, by definition, a non-lethal method of disposing of adversarial targets. I don't see how that's relevant to the topic at hand.

Bayonetta's guns don't look any more obviously realistic than the Wild Gunmen's pistols and rifles, which are quite obviously guns. The clue's even in the name! If it's boiling down to a case of aesthetic interpretation, then yeah, all you have to do is keep Bayonetta's guns in her heels and have her shoot bursts of magic instead of actual bullets. It's really a non-issue.

The issue with Bayonetta is that she's a third-party character from a relatively obscure series that didn't exactly take off when released. Even if Nintendo sanctioned an exclusive sequel for their own home console, it doesn't change the fact that there are legal hurdles that Sakurai would have to overcome to get her on the roster, hurdles that could definitely be cleared yet could be underwhelming for the amount of effort it would take.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I was talking from a gameplay perspective. Hold B to shoot bullets until you stop pressing B. Bullets are likely going to stun. Flinch lock

You asked how they'd do that in gameplay. That was my unimpressed wording of "they already have"

Can we now talk about how Bayonetta is impossible since she's naked when she wins?

I want to stop talking about guns as my inner COD hater is fuming

 

[Deleted member]

Bayonetta talk again?

 

[aldelaro5]

I still stand by my idea of keeping the guns in the shoes so that they don't have to be loaded and fired the classic way.

But it's getting pretty boring discussing another one of BluePikmin's wanted.
Next thing I want is turning this in the Official BluePikmin discussion thread.

So 'bout that jumpman Captain Toad, do people still think he has a chance or has his fire died down?

i believe captain toad has decent chance, but I honestly believe that Paper Mario would have more chance.

I really don't expect him, but he's a worthy addition. The degree of how it's worth differ if I look at other candidate however which makes him a bit low in priority.

 

[Champ Gold]

I want to stop talking about guns as my inner COD hater is fuming

COD is a problem but it's the most innocent game out there considering the fans stay in their own delusional world. It's COD clones I hate and especially when they ruin franchises (why SOCOM).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Captain Toad is a character that despite my hatred for Toad, would welcome in open arms

 

[YoshiandToad]

(At least she doesn't swear hardcore and attack in a very violent manner like Travis Touchdown, that's more of a realistic thing than Bayonetta in combat.)

I'd seriously beg to differ with what little I've played of her game to the bolded. She dispatches angels in some of the most gruesome ways imaginable. Those torture attacks aren't exactly non violent...

Captain Toad is a character that despite my hatred for Toad, would welcome in open arms

Score! Captain Toad's winning over even previous haters.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

i believe captain toad has decent chance, but I honestly believe that Paper Mario would have more chance.

I really don't expect him, but he's a worthy addition. The degree of how it's worth differ if I look at other candidate however which makes him a bit low in priority.

Eh, Paper Mario, Captain Toad.
I don't care as long as I get my third Mario newcomer. :laughs:

 

[Burruni]

I'd seriously beg to differ with what little I've played of her game to the bolded. She dispatches angels in some of the most gruesome ways imaginable. Those torture attacks aren't exactly non violent...



Score! Captain Toad's winning over even previous haters.

Hey.
I don't hate Captain Toad as a character or anything.
I just want Waluigi as a Mario character and Bandana Dee as a "Promoted Generic" first.
...I'll concede on the Wa for this game because he's clearly not gonna happen via DLC and Captain Toad can get in just fine after Bandana Dee, Inklings, and maybe Ganon >w>

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'd seriously beg to differ with what little I've played of her game to the bolded. She dispatches angels in some of the most gruesome ways imaginable. Those torture attacks aren't exactly non violent...



Score! Captain Toad's winning over even previous haters.

My main problem with Toad was always "What's so special about them?" Captain Toad is an individual. I won't support him but I won't detract either

Hey.
I don't hate Captain Toad as a character or anything.
I just want Waluigi as a Mario character and Bandana Dee as a "Promoted Generic" first.
...I'll concede on the Wa for this game because he's clearly not gonna happen via DLC and Captain Toad can get in just fine after Bandana Dee, Inklings, and maybe Ganon >w>

Bandana Dee not being in the game at all is stupid, worse than Anthony Higgs not getting any mention yet Adam Malkovich (vomits) gets a trophy saying he unfortunately died. Yeah, 'unfortunately'

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'd seriously beg to differ with what little I've played of her game to the bolded. She dispatches angels in some of the most gruesome ways imaginable. Those torture attacks aren't exactly non violent...

From what I seen here, there are some torture attacks that are fittingly Smash appropriate, most of them seem appropriate for a D-Throw, the rapid multi-kicking seems like the most likely one they would use.