Character Discussion Thread

[Dinoman96]

I remember Sakurai denying Saki being in Melee but said S&P couldn't provide him a good moveset. MEANWHILE ALMOST EVERYONE HAS MOVES MADE UP FOR SMASH

Sakurai probably doesn't think it's worth the effort coming up with a moveset for Saki because Sin & Punishment is a very minor IP and he probably thinks it doesn't exactly warrant a playable character.

 

[Rockaphin]

Unlockables
James Bond

Take my money now.

And then make Paper James Bond DLC.

 

[Wolfie557]

I believe the total DLC count for Characters will be........
8. It's the magic number in wherever........my knee tells me so.......and up to 8 players can play Smash.

So hypothetically, who would you expect and then want those 8 to be????

Expect: Mewtwo, Lucas, Ryu, Roy, Wolf, King K Rool, Inkling.......and either Isaac or (ew)Pichu.
Want: Mewtwo, Lucas, Ryu, Wolf, Bayonetta, Medusa, King K Rool, Impa.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

No love for Kamui? At least she/he uses a Dragonstone in their movesets.

Kamui is too early for me. I'll just substitue him/her with Tiki (besides FE14 doesn't really interest me).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sakurai probably doesn't think it's worth the effort coming up with a moveset for Saki because Sin & Punishment is a very minor IP that doesn't exactly warrant a playable character.

S&P was very popular in Japan when it came out and the only reason the games were brought outside of Japan was because Saki was in Smash
GEE SOUNDS FAMILIAR FIRE EMBLEM

 

[Dinoman96]

S&P was very popular in Japan when it came out and the only reason the games were brought outside of Japan was because Saki was in Smash
GEE SOUNDS FAMILIAR FIRE EMBLEM

How much did the first game sell, exactly? I recall hearing it flopped. The second game most certainly did. And even when S&P came out, Fire Emblem still dwarfed it in terms of number of games and general popularity.

 

[Burruni]

S&P was very popular in Japan when it came out and the only reason the games were brought outside of Japan was because Saki was in Smash
GEE SOUNDS FAMILIAR FIRE EMBLEM

Except Fire Emblem was an established series with 5 games made and a 6th on the way.
That's one factor.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm not dissing FE, love it, but I think it's BS if Sakurai doesn't really come up with a moveset because it doesn't feel natural to him

 

[Deleted member]

Adding on to this, their would be 14 starting characters and 7 unlockables

Starters
Urban Champ
Bubbles
Takamaru
Mach Rider (Speculation on PushDustIn's part)
Sukapon (Was planned as an item according to PushDustIn's data)
Excite Biker
Banjo & Kazooie (Was outright stated to be impossible due to legal reasons; no actual mention of consideration)
Saki (Wasn't planned/considered AT ALL. Misinformation on PushDustIn's part)
Toon Zelda/Shiek
Plusle & Mininun (Only commonly speculated to be the identity of "pra_mai", with debates on accuracy)
Blastoise
Ridley (Was planned as an Assist Trophy, not a character)
Nintendog (Speculation on PushDustIn's part)
Chrom

Unlockables
Toad (Misinformation/Speculation on PushDustIn's part)
Ayumi
Ballon Fighter
James Bond (Just like Banjo, but with more reasoning why he's impossible)
Leif (Not present in PushDustIn's data)
Dixie Kong
Chrous Men (While a reasonable assumption based on logic, all we actually know right now is that a Rhythm Heaven character MAY have been planned)



Don't be a party pooper dude. They still had a possibility of getting in even if they weren't planned and that's the bottom line lol.

I'm not being a "party pooper", I'm applying logic.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I assume I can post my vote and my reasons here, right?

None of the rest of my family wanted to vote for anyone, so I used my laptop, cell phone, and family desktop to vote for the same guy

Spoiler

Only the last one is truly serious, haha.

Crono probably doesn't have a chance, I know, but I wanted him and I voted for him. It's also why I sympathize with people who also vote for characters that might not make it, like Toad or Daisy or Krystal or Ridley (*ducks*) or Geno. Because at the very least they just want to express that they genuinely want them.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not dissing FE, love it, but I think it's BS if Sakurai doesn't really come up with a moveset because it doesn't feel natural to him

.....are you even reading what you're saying? SMH.

 

[Wolfie557]

I think one major aspect iof FE that is missing is a Pegasus. It's pretty iconic and would make for a great final smash or something.

I think FE deserves this amount of characters(and I wouldn't mind more), but I don't think it deserves that many clones. (3 if Roy comes back). Lucina is understandable, but still. Also, swords are just a small part of FE's wide range of classes. At least Robin is half magic based.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

.....are you even reading what you're saying? SMH.

Look, I'm sorry, it's late and I can't read well at night

 

[Deleted member]

I think FE deserves this amount of characters(and I wouldn't mind more), but I don't think it deserves that many clones. (3 if Roy comes back).

....who's the 3rd clone?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

....who's the 3rd clone?

 

[Strofirko]

TBH I don't like "fire emblem rep" discussions,it is just like "pokemon rep" discussions but worse ,instead of moveset potential we are rather pointing out character traits.

PS: I am not a FE hater

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why I think Lyn should be playable as an FE character and why I believe she deserves more than an AT. She's the first character you meet in FE7, as in, the first game outside Japan. That, and she has a bow

 

[Spazzy_D]

Part 2 of my Ubisoft DLC piece is up: The Prince of Persia.

https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/smash-4-dlc-the-case-for-the-prince-of-persia/

Does the Prince even have support group here?

 

[JaidynReiman]

No love for Kamui? At least she/he uses a Dragonstone in their movesets.


As I said again, Ayumi's inclusion probably would have made WFT's much less surprising if it actually happened.

No. Honestly I don't really think Dragonstone is all that viable unless Kamui was permanently in dragon form or transformations were allowed.

 

[CrongGamer]

My 3 recommendations are Wolf, K Rool, and Rayman. Wolf because he is the most obvious DLC character in my opinion. K Rool since he is the most wanted 1st party newcomer, according to those "results" anyway. And Rayman ever since the Artsy Omni leak.

 

[random rendum]

I really dont care for the likely dlc choices, they're too obvious and none really interest me

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

No. Honestly I don't really think Dragonstone is all that viable unless Kamui was permanently in dragon form or transformations were allowed.

Giga Bowser and Wario Man work fine. I don't see why Dragonstone would be impossible.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Giga Bowser and Wario Man work fine. I don't see why Dragonstone would be impossible.

Those are Final Smashes, Kamui can transform mid battle at will

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Those are Final Smashes, Kamui can transform mid battle at will

I thought she was talking about final smashes the whole time.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I thought she was talking about final smashes the whole time.

Jayden's a guy

 

[MagnesD3]

Why I think Lyn should be playable as an FE character and why I believe she deserves more than an AT. She's the first character you meet in FE7, as in, the first game outside Japan. That, and she has a bow

Theres a ton of characters who deserve to be playable but will never be playable, it is just a fact. At least lyn will be playable in PM.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Jayden's a guy

Ops. That's what I get for not checking who said it.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I imagine manaketes working in the same way Volga does in Hyrule warriors.

either turning into a partial dragon (like he has one move where his arm becomes a claw)
or full on.

smash takes enough creative liberties as is I think it could be cool. Although Volga himself would be more preferred then any manakete imo

 

[Burruni]

Those are Final Smashes, Kamui can transform mid battle at will

No "transformation" final smashes have near the processing matter that two individual character's movesets require ().
In fact, they're either a super charged version of that character () or one that converts them into a very simplistic fighter with godly power () infact, it's easiest to compare them to 's Ejected mode in the latter case.

For a Manakete such as Tiki or Kamui or a Taguel/Laguz such as Panne or Ranulf, it would basically NEED to be an all or nothing for the transformation and anything in between would be lackluster to their identity.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Again, I'm rather tired, but isn't this what I basically said? Sorry for not being clear

No "transformation" final smashes have near the processing matter that two individual character's movesets require ().
In fact, they're either a super charged version of that character () or one that converts them into a very simplistic fighter with godly power () infact, it's easiest to compare them to 's Ejected mode in the latter case.

For a Manakete such as Tiki or Kamui or a Taguel/Laguz such as Panne or Ranulf, it would basically NEED to be an all or nothing for the transformation and anything in between would be lackluster to their identity.

 

[Burruni]

Again, I'm rather tired, but isn't this what I basically said? Sorry for not being clear

It was. I was just strengthening the argument by putting out some comparisons.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It was. I was just strengthening the argument by putting out some comparisons.

I was confused as you quoted me >w<

 

[JaidynReiman]

I like the "partially transform" idea but I think its way too much of a stretch for manaketes because that's nothing at all how they work. Yes, they've stretched the line, but not that much. My favorite idea for a new character from FE is Lyn, and I do think she'd be original despite being "just" a swordswoman since she's also got a bow she can use for some attacks but moreso because she's based on the swordmaster style of class, where she'd be about mixing acrobatics with swordplay.

Anna is next if she uses all FE physical weapons (like Robin using swords and almost all magic variants), then probably the FE14 Dancer assuming that's a lance she's got. Similar to Lyn she could be based around a more acrobatic, dance-style of moveset, but with a lance that's a more original and unique weapon.


Overall, though, I just don't care about getting a new FE character right now, especially if we're getting Roy as DLC. I'd rather get characters from a variety of other franchises, I think FE is well-represented with Robin alone.

Jayden's a guy

To be fair, my avatar doesn't quite clear up that I'm a guy, and I do have very long hair right now and one time I went to a stand up comedy routine within the past few months and one of the ushers told my sister (right behind me) "Are you with her?" lol. Its hard to determine who is what on the internet anyway.

I thought she was talking about final smashes the whole time.

Yeah, that's the issue. I see manaketes as an all-or-nothing thing, with possibly the Final Smash being a transformation. Plus, its notable that Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, Lucario, and Warioman all play identical to their normal selves with few differences, they're just bigger/more powerful. Other "transformation" final smashes are either one attack (Ganon, Mewtwo), or the character just flies around and deal damage by touching (Pikachu, Sonic), or only have 1-2 attacks in the transformation (Yoshi, Diddy).

 

[allison]

Take my money now.

And then make Paper James Bond DLC.

Meta Dark Dr. Pink Goldfinger James Bond Jr. confirmed!

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Things I'd like to say but wouldn't actually say even if it was a horrible excuse

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I like the "partially transform" idea but I think its way too much of a stretch for manaketes because that's nothing at all how they work. Yes, they've stretched the line, but not that much. My favorite idea for a new character from FE is Lyn, and I do think she'd be original despite being "just" a swordswoman since she's also got a bow she can use for some attacks but moreso because she's based on the swordmaster style of class, where she'd be about mixing acrobatics with swordplay.

Anna is next if she uses all FE physical weapons (like Robin using swords and almost all magic variants), then probably the FE14 Dancer assuming that's a lance she's got. Similar to Lyn she could be based around a more acrobatic, dance-style of moveset, but with a lance that's a more original and unique weapon.


Overall, though, I just don't care about getting a new FE character right now, especially if we're getting Roy as DLC. I'd rather get characters from a variety of other franchises, I think FE is well-represented with Robin alone.




To be fair, my avatar doesn't quite clear up that I'm a guy, and I do have very long hair right now and one time I went to a stand up comedy routine within the past few months and one of the ushers told my sister (right behind me) "Are you with her?" lol. Its hard to determine who is what on the internet anyway.



Yeah, that's the issue. I see manaketes as an all-or-nothing thing, with possibly the Final Smash being a transformation. Plus, its notable that Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, Lucario, and Warioman all play identical to their normal selves with few differences, they're just bigger/more powerful. Other "transformation" final smashes are either one attack (Ganon, Mewtwo), or the character just flies around and deal damage by touching (Pikachu, Sonic), or only have 1-2 attacks in the transformation (Yoshi, Diddy).

This brings the question though. Could moveset altering moves work? It is essentially what Giga Bowser, Wario Man, and Mega Lucario are, but they all take about 4 seconds to work. That's only slightly shorter than the lag in Jigglypuff's Rest. It made since for the transformations, but for something like changing weapons... I dunno.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Things I'd like to say but wouldn't actually say even if it was a horrible excuse

Well played DustyPumpkin, well played.

 

[Wintropy]

Tiki's depicted with her Manakete spirit alongside her human self in her Smash trophy.

Close enough to canon for me~ :3

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

S&P was very popular in Japan when it came out and the only reason the games were brought outside of Japan was because Saki was in Smash
GEE SOUNDS FAMILIAR FIRE EMBLEM

If it was "very popular" in Japan when it first came out then why didn't they decide to release the game outside of Japan? I mean the game was already fully spoken in English, they didn't have to put much work into localizing it. You do realize that the game was released outside of Japan on the virtual console before it was even revealed that Saki was making an appearance in Brawl, right

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Made this.
And it's sideways...(Facepalms)