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I thought you meant the show really, not the Franchise as a whole.
No offense but this "debate" has been a tennis match of "Ryu is iconic for X reason" "No but Mario/Pac-Man and Mega Man did this".
That is what I thought your point was, which is why I was arguing my point. I wasn't saying how Megaman and Snake is bigger than Street Fighter, but how they also had their impacts.
None taken. This is just some way to kill time to me. Nothing against Ryu or any other video game franchise mentioned.
That is true and seeing all the tactics people come up with him are interesting.
You will have to argue with the Ryu for Smash Support Thread about that, since that is what they are advocating to be Ryu's alternate colors.
You never played MvC. Ryu had a special ability where he could change his playstyle via his input. He could inherit traits of the two.
We all need sleep. I just thought you were saying that Mario and Pac-Man are not more iconic than Ryu. Nothing against Ryu, but Mario and Pac-Man are more iconic.
Mewtwo
Not competitively, no. That sounds like a nightmare to program into the game and even a bigger nightmare to properly balance in Smash.
Interesting. Now that I think about it, I have been thinking that Ryu could be a likely E3 reveal and this only confirms my feeling. I wonder if Roy will be confirmed there as well.
I figured that was because of the Japanese alphabet. For them, L and R are the same letter. As for why Ryu is before Lucas...I dunno. I'm not familiar with their original Japanese names or how their alphabet sorts them. =/
&: The most iconic duo in gaming history. Mr. Nintendo and the under-loved little brother.&: Originally just an appendage to Mario titles, these two had begun evolving out into their own identities with hit titles on the SNES and looking onward to N64.&: Nintendo's Secondarily Outstanding Series.&: Fairly rocky starts that got HUGE titles come late SNES to early N64. CHARACTERS that were put in for their merit with the MOVESET made up for them.: B- Tier series that was coasting off the massive success of Super Metroid, but never quite expanded like Kirby or Zelda. Still a very strong choice with the series looking on the up and up.: A fairly niche title that was incredibly well recieved and had strong enough fans to be included in this new tier of gaming stardom.: The flagship character of the new and INCREDIBLY popular series after the sucess of Red, Blue, and Green (Yellow was on the Horizon).: A rushed "Extra" character off of basic assets . Justified at the time because of Jiggly being one of the spotlight characters in the show at the time.Big. Series. 
Villains.&: Flushing out the Mario Cast to fill in the two missing pieces: The Princess and the Villain, to match the Hero./&(): Same thing, but for . Sheik's inclusion was taken due to OoT's popularity and the Ninja theme. Something interesting to note is that, , & are the only of the "clone 6" to be ANYWHERE in the intro.: Retro character chosen to represent the humble beginnings and hardware of LCD gaming.: Retro chosen more for the unique gameplay they could provide as a duo.: Actually, a pretty requested character to represent the fairly niche Fire Emblem series that had yet to see a title since the SNES. Originally intended to not be in the international release.: The closest thing to a villain Pokemon had other than Team Rocket. High in demand and planned to be in 64.
,,,,,and were decided on in later development in the short development time. Somewhere, Sakurai was cited to say that making these 6 was comparable to ONE fully unique character (presumably ).-> chosen due to it being the most human moveset that had a particularly powerful feeling to it.-> worked off of the massive popularity of OoT and MM.-> Somewhere, I recall seeing that Wolf was originally thought of but Falco was chosen because Wolf would look too similar to Fox with the fairly minimal change that would be made between the two.-> a call back that was basically a model edit and some property changes. Originally, was thought of but was quickly dismissed for a Mario clone.-> implemented as a joke character. Plain and simple.-> Chosen due to FE6 being almost done by the time Melee was coming in Japan and the series fairly needing the popularity boost from Smash. His Blazing Sword being the legendary weapon for the lord.: The sidekick to DK. An arguably "overdue" newcomer for the series.: Much in a similar condition as were. is replaced by the more long-term and arguably more unique change to . Due to him being in a similar case to and , was likely put into place fairly late in the development cycle.: LONG overdue rival-enemy-friend for Kirby, with the similar coming in.: After Zero Mission bringing to light, was chosen to expand Metroid out as a series as Ridley was planned as two Bosses for SSE and even an Assist Trophy.: Essentially a retro character, the sister series to Metroid brought back out of nowhere.-//: The original 3 starters and the trainer character that started the entire series.: Arguably most iconic Gen 4 pokemon in the earlier years of the generation. Blended well into Smash.: A "quasi-clone" of Fox/Falco added fairly late in development. Technically intended in Melee.: Protagonist of the first 3D Fire Emblem game, with FE10 being worked on for the Wii. Would become the second Protagonist to star in more than one game.: A "quasi-clone" of Ness, after the IMMENSE international love for Mother 3... even if it was never officially released internationally.: Second "Hardware" Retro. Next to , the king of Nintendo cameos after his one-off game of Gyromite and basically being an action figure.: Third Party character put in namely due to a favor between Kojiima and Sakurai as individuals. Had to be toned down in the arsenal to fit the "cartoony" nature of the game.: LATE third party addition. The famous (even though it wasn't exactly even) rival to Mario himself. The HYPENING newcomer of all newcomers for the game.,& as veterans. Meaning that was MEANT to stay cut. Other than this, Dixie had incomplete data from a draft that had her as a partner to Diddy Kong as an Ice Climbers styled character, and "Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik (most likely Tetra)," as similar clones. The last data is just Pra_Mai, which is far less clear on what it is. Theories go from Plusle & Minun as a tag team or it being an early draft of a random button... something that Brawl introduced to the series.: The recent and popular character that has been settling more and more as a staple for the Mario universe and the entire cosmic theme was one that was fighter-worthy.: A fairly late addition (almost didn't make the release date) who used the quirkiness of the Koopa Klown Car and mostly its usage in the New Super Mario Bros. series as inspiration for a mech fighter that wasn't massive.: A Pokemon chosen before Gen 6 came out due to concept art. Had an interesting design and the entire Ninja theme that went wild./: Representing the MyUnit from FE12/13, was chosen due to being a more unique and interesting fighter than Chrom as a Magiknight/Spellsword.: Alongside and were planned originally as Alts and promoted fairly lately on due to having a mixture of recency, popularity, and enough between them to differentiate from their original source.. no matter how insignificant it may seem.: Using the popularity and diverse move possibilities from Kid Icarus: Uprising, which Sakurai stopped work on RIGHT before being pushed onto the project of Smash 4.: A "retro" with a big recent title. A shocker choice due to being an old Assist Trophy and being significantly more popular outside of Japan.: Originally considered too "innocent" by Sakurai to be in Smash, coasted off of the ever-growing popularity of the series and ironically was revealed as New Leaf became the massive success it was.: Sakurai's biggest WTF choice... technically representing the Balance Board and subsect of "self-help" games.: Similar to , had the IMMENSE popularity off of his game, fan efforts to get the game at all, and interesting moveset to be able to join the ranks.: Bundled with the NES and the representative of the Zapper as hardware.: Nostalgia in a Little Blue box. While his series and company fell more and more apart after the N64, faced a fairly recent resurgence. An NES/SNES classic.: The great grandfather of gaming. A... Retro 3rd Party Newcomer?: The Miis have become a staple of Nintendo since the Wii and have become a far more utilised concept from just Sports titles to Streetpass Plaza to the oddly massive Tomodachi Life that was quite recent. Arguably the best they could have done with the additions of Mii. [/spoilers]
Or maybe.....
Definitely up special. I can't think of any other "rising" moves that he has, unless you wanna be silly with his hurricane kick.
Go Akumacopter?
A solid single player/story mode and other modes added as well would be nice.
Yeah, frankly, I'm expecting him to be available at the end of E3 and will probably be a free DLC character, since its more of a promotion than anything else. I definitely expect the announcement of another new game. It also makes a lot more sense for a third-party to be announced and released at the exact same time.
You think Ryu will be free? Really? They're going to add a 3rd party with a huge reputation to the game for free?
God smash 4 has so many lame character additions...Screw it. I... I need to take a bit of a break from things. While we let dust settle, I'm going to give some perspective... Smash additions from one game to the next.
64
Planned characters who didn't make it:
Melee
Brawl
The "Forbidden 7" unused character data:
And finally, Smash 4.
Of course, this is off of OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED characters at this point.
Really? I would say it has the most diverse, by far. Not counting the three clones.
Ill agree there are some unique movesets formed but some of the characters who received them are so blase backburner characters (So many avatars jesus christ.) (also so many anime or human characters.)
Unless you series is called Kirby,(or Pac Man/Mega Man), in this Smash the game has special supporter to new things.
Ryu confirmed.
O rly?
What does it say?
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The plot thickens.
Sakurai will be a presenter at a concert to celebrate the Fire Emblem series' 25th anniversary.
) I still think Wolf is a lock too..
You doubt, but I don't think Sakurai will be concerned on the future for Bayonetta when it comes to her inclusion, he's just looking for good candidates he can put as DLC.
You're also forgetting that the sequel is also one of the highest critical acclaimed games on the Wii U, enough to get nominated at the Game Awards 2014. That certainly is a plus for Bayonetta too despite the sales.
I'm not trying to compare her to those icons. I said:
She may not be as iconic, but she certainly has a decently popular enough franchise to be a third-party guest in Smash.
My only problem with Alfonzo is: if he becomes playable, who takes his place?
