Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Speaking of indies, isn't Shovel Knight the highest voted character on the Sm4sh Poll next to King K. Rool?
Just saying.

Yes, but Shovel Knight has no merit being in Smash. Just what connections does he have to Nintendo when all his games are multiplat? Might as well vote for an Assassin's Creed protag.

And so another internet argument ensues. There's no need for name-calling like "********" and "stupid" in replies. All it does is weaken the overall post and incite more anger. @ManlySpirit You could definitely use less hostility in your replies as you can see the reception to it is very negative in turn. Anyone continuing to argue in this way will be given infractions since it's just dumb at this point.

Dude, if you ban me then you'd actually do me more of a favor, since I've been trying to perma-leave for a while now. I always find a reason to come back though. But go right ahead and do so if you feel you must, it'd make me more productive.

However, when people say dumb ****, I'm gonna respond with a lack of respect. Simple. Look at Kalim. Dude took the time to give me a well though out argument, and he got a respectful reply. I'm not gonna change the way I express myself to fit into a norm and a superficially friendly atmosphere. And harsh language is just part of how I speak and express myself. Words are just words after all. And look, I understand you're a mod who's just trying to do their job, so I won't give you a hard time. Tbh, I might take my own leave by weekend anyway since I was not supposed to come back in the first place. The direct and Banjo news simply merited some discussion with some of the friends I'd made on here, that's all.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Looks like? Yokai Watch 3 was announced recently and you haven't been able to tell for sure? After looking at the gameplay my thought of it possibly being luck based is gone for the most part

There might be luck-based moves, but I don't think there will be luck involved in normal gameplay.
From the gameplay I seen here:

It doesn't look luck-based at all.

 

[Scamper52596]

And here I am, thinking that neither Banjo and Rayman will be in the game. I hardly see any third-parties getting in. Even Snake, a veteran, isn't that likely.

But that's just me.

I'm in the exact same boat.
I've just been hanging around the thread waiting for everyone to start talking about the chances of Nintendo owned characters again.

 

[Rock & Roller Wabbit]

I'm in the exact same boat.
I've just been hanging around the thread waiting for everyone to start talking about the chances of Nintendo owned characters again.

The only Nintendo-owned character I'm hoping for is Splatoon's Inkling, who is in your sig. I think she'd make a awesome moveset that uses the ink as sort of a DPS strategy, if anyone knows what that is.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Really hoping for K.Rool AND Isaac to be DLC

 

[A Distant Demon]

Oh i wont kid myself. i think rayman is totally not happening. I agree snake is the only one with a chance from his special status.

But this community makes me look pessimistic with their views of up to 8 dlc characters before the ballot and i would still be surprised to see more than 5 including the 3 veterans :/

Those 5 are currently the 2 confirmed, wolf, isaac and either dixie or k rool, leaning towards the king

I would love wonder red though he isnt exactly. . . Important.

 

[Zombie Saurian]

I'm 99% confident Nintendo will NOT consider Banjo. He may have been Nintendo character at one time but not anymore. Rare is a skeleton of its former self, Rare is not coming back with guns ablaze. Banjo is fully owned by Microsoft and has been for 13 years. There's a reason Banjo and Conker were taken out of Diddy Kong Racing DS and possibly why DKR64 hasn't been put on the VC. OF COURSE Phil Spencer is ok with it, he has everything to gain. The royalties and cuts he gets from the DLC and usage of Banjo and more people buying his system to get their Banjo fix. Nintendo gains nothing but pleasing some fans. Rare fans should be voting King K. Rool, as he is first party and has no legal hurdles.

 

[Wintropy]

I'm legit convinced Electroplankton would be a great newcomer.

Convince me otherwise.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I just wish Nintendo would say that they're not adding any 3rd party characters, so that we don't have to deal with this stupid bull****.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm legit convinced Electroplankton would be a great newcomer.

Convince me otherwise.

moveset would be rather difficult, but hey, it got a ****ty stage so that means something

 

[A Distant Demon]

I'm legit convinced Electroplankton would be a great newcomer.

Convince me otherwise.

The elecyroplankton stage would assuredly detract more than what it could bring to the table.

Man i hated that stage.

I just wish Nintendo would say that they're not adding any 3rd party characters, so that we don't have to deal with this stupid bull****.

Instead tgey have specifically encouraged voting for them. Whiops

 

[BluePikmin11]

Who would be the character to use for Electroplankton?
Some characters don't seem suitable for playability.

 

[Dinoman96]

Speaking of which, as terrible as the stage was to play on...it's kinda sad that Electroplankton was completely erased from Smash in the transition between Brawl and Smash 4. It's a real shame to lose emblem based series, especially ones that had playable characters like Ice Climber and Metal Gear.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

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I made it better.

You know, you can be pretty harsh sometimes towards Blue.

 

[Scamper52596]

I could totally see an Electroplankton Assist Trophy existing.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think we'll probably get one 3rd Party at most. Probably Rayman, Prof. Layton or Phoenix Wright. I'm not expecting Sanke or Banjo-Kazooie to be considered, as popular as they may be.

Aside from Nintendo gaining little from their inclusion, something tells me their pride will stop Nintendo from choosing them.

 

[Wintropy]

Part of the reason I'd like an Electroplankton character is because I legit liked Hanenbow.

You cannot convince me otherwise.

To wit, I suggested it as a joke at first, then quickly realised it could actually work. Bouncing on leaves, shooting sonic waves, summoning the aid of the various note-fish, building up towards a harmonic crescendo...

Don't tell me you don't want it. I'll know you're lying if you say that.

 

[N3ON]

You know, you can be pretty harsh sometimes towards Blue.

Thanks, I do my best.

 

[Frostwraith]

It's best to be pessimistic and then blown away by hype worthy announcements than having high expectations and walk away in disappointment.

That said, with DLC, there are already a lot of potential characters out of the way, so the pool of characters to choose from is bound to be smaller than that for the base game.

Given the limited resources, I'd think Sakurai will try to pick characters from as many different franchises as possible, which might not bode quite well for the Pokémon series. Ivysaur and Squirtle would be fine additions, but after Mewtwo, priority will likely go to other series.

 

[Rock & Roller Wabbit]

I'm legit convinced Electroplankton would be a great newcomer.

Convince me otherwise.

I've never seen Electroplankton, so...

 

[Kalimdori]

And so another internet argument ensues. There's no need for name-calling like "********" and "stupid" in replies. All it does is weaken the overall post and incite more anger. @ManlySpirit You could definitely use less hostility in your replies as you can see the reception to it is very negative in turn. Anyone continuing to argue in this way will be given infractions since it's just dumb at this point.

I'm assuming this was partially directed at me, as I was the one who called people stupid, and I am sorry(ish) for it.

You know, for being the only person to give me a reasonable reply, I won't sit around and troll like I have with others.

Dude, I have to disagree. Call it bias as well, but unlike Banjo, Rayman is not a Nintendo icon, at all. Unlike the other 3rd parties (barring Snake who was merely a favor), he hardly has any history with Nintendo. Simply put, he doesn't deserve the spot as much as what is essentially the face of the N64 and Rare, who was Nintendo's partner during the Golden Era.

Now if we look at how the 3rd parties were selected, Snake was a favor, Pac-Man happened due to Namco's involvement, and cause Miyamotto demanded it. And MegaMan and Sonic happened due to fan demand. Yes, both are important, but fan demand played a key role in that.

Thus, the only way Rayman gets in at this point, especially keeping in mind that he was apparently already considered by Sakurai, is by fan demand. In which, he falls short to Banjo in pretty much every survey. Every survey I've come across, Banjo is the most popular guest character, even more than Snake the veteran. Thus, to say that Rayman is more likely than Banjo, is in my opinion incorrect. I personally feel that out of the guest characters, Banjo has the best shot. This doesn't mean that Rayman doesn't have a shot, if the demand kicks up, he does, but as it stands now, he doesn't seem to garner the necessary support compared to other popular requests.

Simple number say, Banjo usually lands in the top 3 overall. Rayman barely makes the top 15 in most polls.

Every Rayman game has been on a Nintendo console, with the exception of the first which was ported over later. He's been on Nintendo systems for just as long as Banjo was, he's sold more games on Nintendo systems then Banjo has, and had a 3d platformer on the N64 that was almost as critically acclaimed as Banjo's was. Rayman definitely has history with Nintendo, he has a trophy in the game for a reason.

You are also basing your argument for Banjo's chances almost solely on the poll results, which first off aren't accurate (Though I would be shocked if Banjo didn't beat most, if not all of the other characters), and second, aren't the only things that are considered when making Smash characters. Banjo will be one of the most demanded, but that doesn't mean that Rayman will have none at all. Nintendo would have to be blind to have missed the response to the fake Rayman leak and the stir it caused.

Like @JamesDNaux, it's perfectly possible that Ubisoft went to Sakurai to get Rayman in Smash, but came too late, like Kojima and Snake in Melee. And unlike Sonic, Rayman isn't a character that Sakurai would be willing to delay the game for.

And while I don't put NEARLY as much stock into it as almost everyone else here, Banjo is owned by Microsoft. How much that ACTUALLY matters to Nintendo, I don't know, but it probably matters to some degree. I'd imagine that a deal with Ubisoft would be more desirable then a deal with Microsoft.

And whose to say we can't just have both? If they end up supporting DLC long enough, that is a possibility

And here I am, thinking that neither Banjo and Rayman will be in the game. I hardly see any third-parties getting in. Even Snake, a veteran, isn't that likely.

But that's just me.

I'm of the opinion that we don't know enough about third parties and Smash DLC to make the call, other then third party companies want them in and Nintendo reassured that Third Parties can be voted for. So I'm gonna be optimistic, but I fully understand the pessimistic approach as well.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I just wish Nintendo would say that they're not adding any 3rd party characters, so that we don't have to deal with this stupid bull****.

Regardless whether or not Nintendo officially says it or not, you still have to deal with other Nintendo newcomer arguments anyway.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Part of the reason I'd like an Electroplankton character is because I legit liked Hanenbow.

You cannot convince me otherwise.

To wit, I suggested it as a joke at first, then quickly realised it could actually work. Bouncing on leaves, shooting sonic waves, summoning the aid of the various note-fish, building up towards a harmonic crescendo...

Don't tell me you don't want it. I'll know you're lying if you say that.

That's interesting. Elektroplankton's emblem was in the game's coding, right?

 

[Wintropy]

That's interesting. Elektroplankton's emblem was in the game's coding, right?

THE SYSTEM WORKS! @w@

 

[Frostwraith]

I believe there's a chance we might see a Donkey Kong character. Don't forget that Tropical Freeze came out last year.

Whether it's King K. Rool or Dixie Kong or both is anyone's guess, but if I had to make a prediction, I'd go for Dixie being prioritized.

Both characters are very popular and wanted, both in Japan and the West. However, there are two factors that favor Dixie:
- Considered for Brawl, as found in the game code and stated by Sakurai himself.
- Has appeared in a more recent title.

Both characters would be good additions, but if they are going to pick just one, I think Dixie is more likely.

That's interesting. Elektroplankton's emblem was in the game's coding, right?

Pretty sure it was.

Perhaps Hanenbow was meant to be a returning stage. Likely on the 3DS version, as Elektroplankton was a DS game.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Calm down lassie, I admit, that's a nice idea, but just like with Rhythm Heaven, just because I like what a charactercan bring to the table doesn't mean I'll support unless I like th characters too

THE SYSTEM WORKS! @w@

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I believe there's a chance we might see a Donkey Kong character. Don't forget that Tropical Freeze came out last year.

Whether it's King K. Rool or Dixie Kong or both is anyone's guess, but if I had to make a prediction, I'd go for Dixie being prioritized.

Both characters are very popular and wanted, both in Japan and the West. However, there are two factors that favor Dixie:
- Considered for Brawl, as found in the game code and stated by Sakurai himself.
- Has appeared in a more recent title.

Both characters would be good additions, but if they are going to pick just one, I think Dixie is more likely.


Pretty sure it was.

Perhaps Hanenbow was meant to be a returning stage. Likely on the 3DS version, as Elektroplankton was a DS game.

It was in the Wii U version's coding, and I'm certain th ballot is banking on popularity so K.Rool wins in that regard

 

[Wintropy]

Calm down lassie, I admit, that's a nice idea, but just like with Rhythm Heaven, just because I like what a charactercan bring to the table doesn't mean I'll support unless I like th characters too

The beauty of it is that I can't tell if I'm being ironic or not.

:3

 

[Rock & Roller Wabbit]

Part of the reason I'd like an Electroplankton character is because I legit liked Hanenbow.

You cannot convince me otherwise.

To wit, I suggested it as a joke at first, then quickly realised it could actually work. Bouncing on leaves, shooting sonic waves, summoning the aid of the various note-fish, building up towards a harmonic crescendo...

Don't tell me you don't want it. I'll know you're lying if you say that.

pls
my brain is overloading

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Rare owns the Kremlings, right?

 

[Wintropy]

Rare owns the Kremlings, right?

Nope.

Nintendo owns everything in the Donkey Kong Country games that isn't Rare's logo.

 

[Frostwraith]

Rare owns the Kremlings, right?

Can't tell if you're joking or not...

But no, Rare doesn't own the Kremlings.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Rare owns the Kremlings, right?

Smash Run and dk games after the buyout says no

 

[Kenith]

Part of the reason I'd like an Electroplankton character is because I legit liked Hanenbow.
You cannot convince me otherwise.
To wit, I suggested it as a joke at first, then quickly realised it could actually work. Bouncing on leaves, shooting sonic waves, summoning the aid of the various note-fish, building up towards a harmonic crescendo...
Don't tell me you don't want it. I'll know you're lying if you say that.

If Electroplankton were playable, they would have a really hard time on the Kalos Pokemon League stage when it goes into Water mode.
They'd always get eaten by Wailord.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Kremlings are in smash run and krool is a trophy anyway. No mention of rare in sight

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If Electroplankton were playable, they would have a really hard time on the Kalos Pokemon League stage when it goes into Water mode.
They'd always get eaten by Wailord.

Isn't Wailord stupidly light? They'd smack him and boom, saved!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's best to be pessimistic and then blown away by hype worthy announcements than having high expectations and walk away in disappointment.

That said, with DLC, there are already a lot of potential characters out of the way, so the pool of characters to choose from is bound to be smaller than that for the base game.

Given the limited resources, I'd think Sakurai will try to pick characters from as many different franchises as possible, which might not bode quite well for the Pokémon series. Ivysaur and Squirtle would be fine additions, but after Mewtwo, priority will likely go to other series.

My opinion is this: be optimistic about your character, but understand that he or she or it might not make it. If what Sakuri said at one point about there being no cuts was true, then we could very well get the characters that were cut later on, this includes Squirtle and Ivysaur, and Snake. Provided Snake's issues get resolved.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Well then . . I didnt expect to inadvertently get someone banned today but oh well.

On a lighter note
hypothetically if wonderful 102 was announced at e3 how would any of you feel about wonder red's chances? Bayonetta?

I would like to do this with KI but i know that isnt happening and my bias would be far too string

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Well then . . I didnt expect to inadvertently get someone banned today but oh well.

On a lighter note
hypothetically if wonderful 102 was announced at e3 how would any of you feel about wonder red's chances? Bayonetta?

I would like to do this with KI but i know that isnt happening and my bias would be far too string

I think a 102 was teased by Kamiya

 

[SmashChu]

Rayman definitely has history with Nintendo, he has a trophy in the game for a reason.

It was more because Nintendo published Rayman Legends in Japan.

You are also basing your argument for Banjo's chances almost solely on the poll results, which first off aren't accurate (Though I would be shocked if Banjo didn't beat most, if not all of the other characters), and second, aren't the only things that are considered when making Smash characters. Banjo will be one of the most demanded, but that doesn't mean that Rayman will have none at all. Nintendo would have to be blind to have missed the response to the fake Rayman leak and the stir it caused.

Banjo will likely beat Rayman in the poll, in terms of total votes, becuase Banjo is better known worldwide than Rayman is. Rayman was basically unknown until the leak. If you look at worldwide sales of the 3DS and Wii U verison, Japan makes up 32 percent. This does not consider anyone owning both games.