Character Discussion Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

Didn't say it was insignificant, I said that Wario Land isn't as significant as the DK arcade game to warrant a character spot.


I'm not forcing you to support him.

Actually you did.

Whether it was a joke or not, Wario Land isn't a very significant franchise nor did it have a big of an impact as the original DK to fill in for a playable character.
I don't think you understand what significant actually is.

You also told us we didn't know what significant is.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I won't, be sure of it. I'd first want King K.Rool, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, Lanky Kong, Kiddy Kong, Chunky Kong, Rambi, Squitter, Krusha and Tutorial Pig before him.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You also told us we didn't know what significant is.

I get the feeling that "significance" is being used as a substitute for "subjectivity."

Just my two cents.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

"Jumpman" is already in and the classic DK games are well-represented. No need for Jumpman. Fact. /discussion.

 

[Arcadenik]

Have heard the idea before, and am not a fan, since it validates Wario's current moveset ignoring half of his history. Fix that moveset to feature the sorts of moves a Wario Land Wario would have alongside his current ones, and let an original second character show up if he/she becomes major/supported enough.

Meh. Fans of that WarioWare moveset can keep that moveset. I still want a Wario Land moveset and only Overalls Wario can pull this off.

And at least Overalls Wario is visually different from Wario... unlike Mario and Jumpman.




And really, having Overalls Wario is like having Zero Suit Samus, in my opinion. Both represents two sides of the same character.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I won't, be sure of it. I'd first want King K.Rool, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, Lanky Kong, Kiddy Kong, Chunky Kong, Rambi, Squitter, Krusha and Tutorial Pig before him.

Like no joke.

I want Tutorial Pig as a joke character now.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Like no joke.

I want Tutorial Pig as a joke character now.

But there are better pig characters like ganon

and the best joke character from DK is obviously Lanky. everyone knows this

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Are we seriously arguing about Jumpman? Also Known as Mario's blue costume in brawl? Oh boy. What I get is that Jumpman is Mario and Donkey Kong isn't relevant so he can't be in. Um. Knowing Sakuri he would make it work. (Plus Dr. Mario is also Mario so that is a moot point.) There is no way he would be a clone either. The only objection I would have is that there are more recent/frequent characters that would fit the roster.
Honestly, I think the characters that were cut due to time constraints should be DLC. They wouldn't be as hard to make, and it's now or never for them. I really don't want to see what happened to Meowth, Plussle & Minun, Toon Zelda/Toon Shiek, and Dixie Kong happen to these guys. Especially the Rhythm Heaven Rep.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Actually you did.

Just because I say it's not very significant doesn't mean I think it's insignificant.
Wario Land doesn't have the same impact as DK, but it's still a relatively successful Mario spinoff series.

 

[Wintropy]

Honestly, I think the characters that were cut due to time constraints should be DLC. They wouldn't be as hard to make, and it's now or never for them. I really don't want to see what happened to Meowth, Plussle & Minun, Toon Zelda/Toon Shiek, and Dixie Kong happen to these guys. Especially the Rhythm Heaven Rep.

Devil's advocate:

Some of those characters were cut for a reason.

Just because I say it's not very significant doesn't mean I think it's insignificant.
Wario Land doesn't have the same impact as DK, but it's still a relatively successful Mario spinoff series.

Hm? Super Mario Bros? That relatively successful Donkey Kong spinoff series?

Nah, silly idea.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Just because I say it's not very significant doesn't mean I think it's insignificant.
Wario Land doesn't have the same impact as DK, but it's still a relatively successful Mario spinoff series.

Okay let me just get a recap here because i'm zoning a bit.

You think we should have (literally) mario a second time because IN YOUR OPINION one game, which I can admit is pretty huge, isn't properly represented.


Even though every part of the game is represented. Mario, DK, the barrels, a stage, and the hammer.

am I correct?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

@ Wintropy Not sure what you mean by that. If you mean the characters I listed I don't see why. Meowth would be popular long before people no longer cared about the anime, (As popular as Jigglypuff at least.) and Dixi Kong is still heavily requested. Sure Plussle and Minun were more of a "lets have a new electric rodent every smash like in the Pokémon series" but they still would have been influential. As for Toon Zelda and Toon Shiek: They could stay in as the traditional swappable characters while the original Zelda and Shiek could (and most definitely will) stay separate.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Okay let me just get a recap here because i'm zoning a bit.

You think we should have (literally) mario a second time because IN YOUR OPINION one game, which I can admit is pretty huge, isn't properly represented.

Yes.


Even though every part of the game is represented. Mario, DK, the barrels, a stage, and the hammer.

am I correct?[/quote]
Yes. Those can still be used to make Mario a relatively unique character.

 

[Wintropy]

@ Wintropy Not sure what you mean by that. If you mean the characters I listed I don't see why. Meowth would be popular long before people no longer cared about the anime, (As popular as Jigglypuff at least.) and Dixi Kong is still heavily requested. Sure Plussle and Minun were more of a "lets have a new electric rodent every smash like in the Pokémon series" but they still would have been influential. As for Toon Zelda and Toon Shiek: They could stay in as the traditional swappable characters while the original Zelda and Shiek could (and most definitely will) stay separate.

Meowth I can see. Dixie Kong is one of the best newcomers out there. Chorus Kids are literally screaming to be in Smash.

But Plusle / Minun and Toon Zelda / Toon Sheik are just being suggested for the sake of being suggested. I struggle to think why they'd be necessary as opposed to a plethora of other characters that could fill a similar role without being shoehorned in their for their own sake.

 

[BKupa666]

I won't, be sure of it. I'd first want King K.Rool, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, Lanky Kong, Kiddy Kong, Chunky Kong, Rambi, Squitter, Krusha and Tutorial Pig before him.

You didn't list Brash the Bear. . .

Chorus Kids are literally screaming to be in Smash.

Now there's a funny mental image, heh.

 

[Arcadenik]

Yes.


Even though every part of the game is represented. Mario, DK, the barrels, a stage, and the hammer.

am I correct?
Yes. Those can still be used to make Mario a relatively unique character.

But why not Pauline? She could do the stuff you want Jumpman to do. At least she's visually different.

We could have gotten another version of Mario who uses Lumas, Star Bits, and gravity since Super Mario Galaxy was a significant game... but we got Rosalina instead.

 

[Dinoman96]

You didn't list Brash the Bear. . .

and don't forget DK's long lost ******** son

 

[futilejoyrider]

Personally, I think that some more Kirby representatives would be great for future Smash games. Bonkers could be a pretty intricate character. Prince Fluff would also be fantastic if he made some more appearances in Kirby games.

 

[Dinoman96]

Personally, I think that some more Kirby representatives would be great for future Smash games. Bonkers could be a pretty intricate character. Prince Fluff would also be fantastic if he made some more appearances in Kirby games.

Adding Bonkers would be like adding a Goomba or Monoeye as a playable character, and Prince Fluff, as it currently stands, is a minor one-off character.

If Kirby gets a fourth character from here on out, it will most likely be Bandana Dee.

 

[RobinOnDrugs]

Real DK fans will support #Br4sh4Sm4sh!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

While I can see Toon Zelda and Toon Shiek being a lesser role as a swappable character, (Young link and the Pokémon Trainer come to mind) I do think Plussle and Minun are kinda disliked due to the fact that people automatically assume they would be clones. What I see for the electric mouse duo is this: Depending on the character that you are playing, Plussle or Minun will stand in the background and cheer their partner on. Over time they will build up rage (simmaler to Lucario's rage mechanic) and when you switch, the Pokémon in the stands will be super charged. The only objections I could see are the fact that you would have to learn how to play them both (although they would probably be semi clones. and pepple who say that obviously haven't played MVC.)
@ Dinoman96 Goombas and Monoeyes aren't Mini bosses though. However, I can see him being too similar to King Dedede.

 

[Dinoman96]

@ Dinoman96 Goombas and Monoeyes aren't Mini bosses though. However, I can see him being too similar to King Dedede.

Regardless of being an enemy or a mini-boss, Bonkers isn't important enough to warrant a playable spot.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Mini boss

dang not even giving your own character the quality of boss. Maybe that doesn't bode well for how important he is too the franchise.

there is a bandana dee joke here but I actually want him so I can't say that

Regardless of being an enemy or a mini-boss, Bonkers isn't important enough to warrant a playable spot.

Hasn't sakurai made Bonkers though? that alone puts him pretty high /s

 

[BluePikmin11]

But why not Pauline? She could do the stuff you want Jumpman to do. At least she's visually different.

We could have gotten another version of Mario who uses Lumas, Star Bits, and gravity since Super Mario Galaxy was a significant game... but we got Rosalina instead.

Pauline using hammers and certain items wouldn't mesh all that well. Having it be used by Jumpman is more appropriate IMO since he actually uses some of these in gameplay.

 

[futilejoyrider]

Adding Bonkers would be like adding a Goomba or Monoeye as a playable character, and Prince Fluff, as it currently stands, is a minor one-off character.

If Kirby gets a fourth character from here on out, it will most likely be Bandana Dee.

I don't think that adding Bonkers would be like adding a Goomba or Monoeye. First of all, that's fairly offensive to Bonker's intellectual integrity and physical prowess. Bonkers is not a common baddie who is can just be stepped on and die. He has a decent amount of health.

Bonkers also has weapons which Goombas and Monoeyes do not. He has his powerful hammer and exploding nuts.

You're sort of right about Prince Fluff although I could see him potentially being in another Kirby game. After that, he would likely be popular enough and have enough depth to be a new Kirby representative.

I love Waddle Dees, as they are adorable, but I don't see how a Bandana Dee could have more depth as a new character than Bonkers and Prince Fluff.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Pauline using hammers and certain items wouldn't mesh all that well. Having it be used by Jumpman is more appropriate IMO since he actually uses some of these in gameplay.

literally every character will use hammers though.

plus you keep saying to use mini-marios, something he doesn't use. Double standards

I don't think that adding Bonkers would be like adding a Goomba or Monoeye. First of all, that's fairly offensive to Bonker's intellectual integrity and physical prowess. Bonkers is not a common baddie who is can just be stepped on and die. He has a decent amount of health.

Bonkers also has weapons which Goombas and Monoeyes do not. He has his powerful hammer and exploding nuts.

You're sort of right about Prince Fluff although I could see him potentially being in another Kirby game. After that, he would likely be popular enough and have enough depth to be a new Kirby representative.

I love Waddle Dees, as they are adorable, but I don't see how a Bandana Dee could have more depth as a new character than Bonkers and Prince Fluff.

dee has a spear. bonkers has a hammer (already a weapon in the game btw)
Dee has been playable and was playable in rainbow curse

dee has a much much larger fanbase for a reason

 

[Arcadenik]

Pauline using hammers and certain items wouldn't mesh all that well. Having it be used by Jumpman is more appropriate IMO since he actually uses some of these in gameplay.

Everyone uses hammers in Smash. This is irrelevant.

And Pauline could summon Mini Mario toys and they would use hammers.

And what certain items do you have in mind?

 

[futilejoyrider]

Without exploding nuts (as far as I know), a Bandana Dee would get destroyed in the Bandana Dee-Bonkers matchup. If they both get put in the same game, I'll feel bad for the adorable little guy.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Without exploding nuts (as far as I know), A Bandana Dee would get destroyed in the Bandana Dee-Bonkers matchup. If they both get put in the same game, I'll feel bad for the adorable little guy.

. . .what? I'm pretty sure you can fight bonkers as dee in RTD lol.

we are talking about the bandana dee not A dee with a bandana

 

[futilejoyrider]

haha well his spear might need a few buffs in order to face off against the almighty hammer of the great Bonkers.

 

[A Distant Demon]

haha well his spear might need a few buffs in order to face off against the almighty hammer of the great Bonkers.

*cough cough*

http://smashboards.com/threads/bandana-dee-the-spear-master-↑.324430/
*COUGH COUGH*

 

[Wintropy]

While I can see Toon Zelda and Toon Shiek being a lesser role as a swappable character, (Young link and the Pokémon Trainer come to mind) I do think Plussle and Minun are kinda disliked due to the fact that people automatically assume they would be clones. What I see for the electric mouse duo is this: Depending on the character that you are playing, Plussle or Minun will stand in the background and cheer their partner on. Over time they will build up rage (simmaler to Lucario's rage mechanic) and when you switch, the Pokémon in the stands will be super charged. The only objections I could see are the fact that you would have to learn how to play them both (although they would probably be semi clones. and pepple who say that obviously haven't played MVC.)

It's not that they'd be clones that turns people off, it's that they don't contribute anything inherently new or exciting. They're basically just palette swaps of Pichu. Again, they'd be fine as costumes or something. But I think it's a bit much to think that that alone makes them unique.

Plus there's the fact that team-up and transforming characters were cut for technical reasons. There's a lot of diversity that you can get without relying on characters that were scrapped for legitimate reasons.

 

[BluePikmin11]

literally every character will use hammers though.

Everyone uses hammers in Smash. This is irrelevant.

However the hammer is going to be used for some of Jumpman's attacks, and will be fleshed out more than just slamming the hammer recklessly for a short period of time.

I'll be right back with the argument soon, I got some things to take care of.

 

[futilejoyrider]

*cough cough*

http://smashboards.com/threads/bandana-dee-the-spear-master-↑.324430/
*COUGH COUGH*

Well that Bonkers looked like he was a bit tipsy, so that was kind of a mean thing for THE Bandana Dee to do... but anyways, I just read the thread and holy crap, why is this thing not in Smash 4 already? It seems like he would be an obvious and fantastic addition to the game. I think Bonkers would still be great too though.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You mean aesthetically? A palette swap of Plussle and Minun for Pikachu would look so weird it's not even funny. Also, technical difficulties is a legitimate reason, but that's no reason to exclude them in a later game. And besides, aesthetics don't even matter. Many people liked Dark Pit, Dr. Mario, and Lucina even though they were "the same aesthetically". The only reason they stopped liking them was because they were clones. In my opinion, if you give the character something that is unique, and makes sense for that character to be doing it, then it adds something special to the roster. So even though Plussle and Minun are similar to Pikachu in looks, they could still bring something new.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

So who wants Roy back?

 

[PushDustIn]

So who wants Roy back?

Take the Mega Smash Poll here:
About 35% of English speakers, 20% of Japanese speakers, and 28% of Spanish speakers so far.

We need more responses so please vote and spread the word!

 

[Arcadenik]

So who wants Roy back?

Yeah. I hope Roy comes back in SSB5.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Are we done with Jumpman? YAY! Let's badger about Roy? YAY!

Roy would be cool to see come back, but I just don't put him over other characters. Heck, I might even put him below Ivysaur and Squirtle.

 

[Wintropy]

You mean aesthetically? A palette swap of Plussle and Minun for Pikachu would look so weird it's not even funny. Also, technical difficulties is a legitimate reason, but that's no reason to exclude them in a later game. And besides, aesthetics don't even matter. Many people liked Dark Pit, Dr. Mario, and Lucina even though they were "the same aesthetically". The only reason they stopped liking them was because they were clones. In my opinion, if you give the character something that is unique, and makes sense for that character to be doing it, then it adds something special to the roster. So even though Plussle and Minun are similar to Pikachu in looks, they could still bring something new.

I respect that, but I think I shall have to reiterate the crux of my point.

My point is not that they're inherently dull, it's that there's no real reason why they should be included just for their own sake. What do Plusle and Minun do that no other character can possibly do?

Team-up is (or was) done by the Ice Climbers.

Discharge mechanic is (or was) done by Pichu.

Power increased via damage is done by Lucario.

Cute little rodent with puffy cheeks is done by Pikachu.

Hey, if you want to bring back Pichu as a freebie clone and have them as alts, then by all means, go ahead. But I struggle to justify including two Pokémon that are almost entirely palette swaps of an existing character just for the sake of "diversity".

It's not diverse at all, it's just including two potential characters from a previous game for the sake of including them. And that's why I can't support them.