Character Discussion Thread

[Grass]

This isn't a well constructed point because this isn't a well constructed point.

see what I did there?

It isn't well constructed, but it is conceptually correct. Though, I don't agree with only classic characters being iconic. If you want to get technical @ pupNapoleon , he was technically on the NES in a game called Metal Gear.

 

[Bowserlick]

well...see, unless another revolutionary game like Melee comes out. I can't see a new mechanic coming out tbh.

What did Melee add to Smash 64 rather than wall kicks and more characters?

 

[Marrow]

I've really wanted Mona from WarioWare. With her in the game, not only would there be Mona, but Wario's moveset would be able to better reflect Wario Land, since he wouldn't be the sole WW rep. That and I, uh, may or may not have made an entire moveset for her...

 

[A Distant Demon]

What did Melee add to Smash 64 rather than wall kicks and more characters?

wavedashing

also side specials

 

[Bowserlick]

Wavedashing is fine at a competitive stand point, but looks like cheap production.

While tournament level fighters want to minimize frames attack and move quicker, the visual reality looks like cut-out characters glued to Popsicle sticks that are bounced and whisked around by hands (Master and Crazy Hand?).

 

[Grass]

What did Melee add to Smash 64 rather than wall kicks and more characters?

Compass tossing, wave dashing (albeit unintended), side B, faster gameplay. 480p graphics (which were amazing at the time), air dodging and power shielding.3

oh and grabbing items from the air.

wavedashing

also side specials

wave dashing was not a developer intended mechanic.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Smash 4 is very well done. While Smash 5 can just add characters, I feel like the next game needs to inject new mechanics into the formula.

Right now Smash 4 is perfect for adding stages and characters in the years to come.

Only L Canceling would make it truely perfect for me. But yes, the speed and the overall flow of the game are really pleasant. Moves are stronger and combos are back. Good stuff.

 

[Grass]

Only L Canceling would make it truely perfect for me. But yes, the speed and the overall flow of the game are really pleasant. Moves are stronger and combos are back. Good stuff.

if you think that a follow-up is considered a true, you're wrong. However, if what you mean combos is follow-ups then, sure combos are back.

 

[Niala]

Very unpopular opinion incoming, but I feel like I don't hold Snake in a very high regard in terms of third party characters. There are a lot of good points in this thread about his legacy, but I feel a bit uneasy calling him a legend simply because... well I'd literally never heard of him until Smash Bros. Brawl-- honestly, I remember looking at his reveal and not having a clue who he was, what he was from, or why I should care. And that's a note I can make about seldom few characters in this series. I would think a legend would be more well-known than that, somebody who literally everybody knew before the game came about-- the likes of Mario,Pac-Man, Pikachu and Link to an extent (mostly 'cause half of the people out there call him "Zelda.")

Now I'll admit he was a fantastic addition to the roster, and opened the door for other third party characters to make their entrance, but he holds no real importance as a character to me. I do wish he would come back, though, given how unique and interesting and downright fun of a fighter he was.

 

[Chandeelure]

Compass tossing, wave dashing (albeit unintended), side B, faster gameplay. 480p graphics (which were amazing at the time), air dodging and power shielding.3

oh and grabbing items from the air.

Also, Up and Down Throws.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

And all of those are reasons the series is famous, and Snake just is from it.
He isn't a legend because he isn't a legend. You know what characters are in the video game hall of fame? Pac man. Mario. Sonic. Pikachu. Link
Metal gear is....as a series.
That speaks heavily.

Have you ever played a Metal Gear game? Just because you say he isn't a legend doesn't mean he isn't one. I haven't seen one point you've made that actually grants credence to that idea. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to show he isn't what I'm claiming he is.

Snake is essentially what makes Metal Gear well...Metal Gear. There are many quotable moments that come from him. If you've never played the series you might not know. But you are certainly not he who decides Snake isn't a legend. Neither am I. But the idea that the series is legendary but not the main character? Come on now.

EDIT: I'd also like to mention that i'm talking about video gaming legends outside of Nintendo. You're moving the goalposts. I'm not talking about Link, Pikachu, Mario, etc... Sonic and Pac-Man are legends. Is Mega Man not a legend? Sure he is. Snake? Well, Metal Gear sold more overall than Mega Man has as a series, so there's something for Metal Gear has over a 3rd party character in Smash.

You also ignored things other people have said in response to your post about Snake. You can hate on the character all you want. But he's a gaming legend. The series sells millions, and he is a well loved character.

If you're talking about a gaming character everybody and their mother knows, then no. He's not that. But neither is Mega Man. Inside the gaming community though, Snake and Mega Man have their place.

 

[Deathlightning21]

Very unpopular opinion incoming, but I feel like I don't hold Snake in a very high regard in terms of third party characters. There are a lot of good points in this thread about his legacy, but I feel a bit uneasy calling him a legend simply because... well I'd literally never heard of him until Smash Bros. Brawl-- honestly, I remember looking at his reveal and not having a clue who he was, what he was from, or why I should care. And that's a note I can make about seldom few characters in this series. I would think a legend would be more well-known than that, somebody who literally everybody knew before the game came about-- the likes of Mario,Pac-Man, Pikachu and Link to an extent (mostly 'cause half of the people out there call him "Zelda.")

Now I'll admit he was a fantastic addition to the roster, and opened the door for other third party characters to make their entrance, but he holds no real importance as a character to me. I do wish he would come back, though, given how unique and interesting and downright fun of a fighter he was.

Its natural to hear nothing about gaming legends/famous characters until you find something about it and the hype around him/her.

 

[Grass]

Also, Up and Down Throws.

that's what compass tossing is.

up down left and right.

 

[Diddy Kong]

if you think that a follow-up is considered a true, you're wrong. However, if what you mean combos is follow-ups then, sure combos are back.

Coming from Brawl, this is amazing though.

 

[Grass]

Coming from Brawl, this is amazing though.

I went back to brawl and people like Marth feel much more fluid.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Snake isn't an iconic character.. which is why he was one of the major selling points of Brawl. Right.

What? Snake was one of the major reasons Brawl was a high selling game? Whaaaat here I was thinking it was more of 's addition. And because of the anticipation between '01 and '08 right?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What? Snake was one of the major reasons Brawl was a high selling game? Whaaaat here I was thinking it was more of 's addition. And because of the anticipation between '01 and '08 right?

He was advertised to the general audience as one of the highlight of the game on the back cover of Brawl.

 

[ErenJager]

There are so many characters that I would be impartial to, that I feel deserve a spot. I'll just use personal bias here to decide..

Mewtwo
Ridley (Melee intro design)
King K. Rool
Ice Climbers (Screw the 3DS version)

Toon Link
- Skull Hammer, Deku Leaf, Mirror Shield added to move set.
- Minish Cap alt costume.

Villager
- An alt costum based on your avatar from the save file on your 3DS New Leaf.
- Bee Hive Final Smash.

Ganondorf
- Incorporate atleast one move to have the large 2handed sword as an attack.

Link
- Dark Link as a full fledge character alt. Including cosmetic changes to moves, such as a dark triforce slash.

Mega Man
- Super Adapter Final Smash.
- Helmetless alt costume.

Olimar
- Rock Pikmin Final Smash.

Donkey Kong
- A new final smash either Coconut Gun or Rambi.
- A true Super Kong palate swap (with blue tie).

Yoshi
- Every Yoshi colour as a palate swap.

Pokemon
- Every Pokemon gets a Shiny palate swap.

 

[Kalimdori]

By this point, I'm pretty sure Mewtwo is it. Asking for anything else is like asking for Mighty as an expansion character for Sonic Runners. It's a nice effort for something that would be great, but it just won't happen.

Based on the DLC evidence that has been found in the 3DS ROM, Sakurai saying that he's open to making DLC in the future, and Nintendo's push into DLC in the recent years, I'm certain Mewtwo is far from all we are getting.

Didn't Sakurai say Mewtwo was it however?

No. He said Mewtwo was acting as an "Experiment" for future content distribution, and that nothing else was planned at this time.

 

[EmceeEspio]

Based on the DLC evidence that has been found in the 3DS ROM, Sakurai saying that he's open to making DLC in the future, and Nintendo's push into DLC in the recent years, I'm certain Mewtwo is far from all we are getting.


No. He said Mewtwo was acting as an "Experiment" for future content distribution, and that nothing else was planned at this time.

Well there go my qualms.

I'm open to anything now.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

He was advertised to the general audience as one of the highlight of the game on the back cover of Brawl.

Well I mean I just meant.... Anyway I certainly didn't buy it because of him. I just bought it because it was a new Super Smash Brothers, right? As one would. But I feel bad for the fans who wanted him back in SSB4

 

[Deathlightning21]

Well I mean I just meant.... Anyway I certainly didn't buy it because of him. I just bought it because it was a new Super Smash Brothers, right? As one would. But I feel bad for the fans who wanted him back in SSB4

Only like, a few of my most wanted characters made it into Smash. So not having more of them in is not the greatest feeling in the world ;~;

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Only like, a few of my most wanted characters made it into Smash. So not having more of them in is not the greatest feeling in the world ;~;

Oh! well My most wanted characters were Saki, Isaac, Shadow, Lyn, and Palutena. So three of them are ATs again and then Isaac is MIA and only Palutena was confirmed. So ya know its not like I'm infuriated or anything hahahaha

 

[Deathlightning21]

Oh! well My most wanted characters were Saki, Isaac, Shadow, Lyn, and Palutena. So three of them are ATs again and then Isaac is MIA and only Palutena was confirmed. So ya know its not like I'm infuriated or anything hahahaha

I wanted Lyn, Shadow (kinda), Chrom (Kinda), Wolf, Snake, Robin, Charizard, Ganondorf, and Hector

Not many got in, so I know the feeling XD

 

[Kenith]

Since @ Scoliosis Jones posted a wish DLC roster in spite of naysayers I'm encouraged to do the same:

Adds up ten DLC characters.

- Midna
- Inkling
- Excitebiker
- King K. Rool
- Captain Toad
- Dixie Kong

- Mewtwo
- Solid Snake
- Ice Climbers
- Wolf

If this was what we ended up...well, my heart would be filled with rainbows.

 

[Deathlightning21]

Since @ Scoliosis Jones posted a wish DLC roster in spite of naysayers I'm encouraged to do the same:

View attachment 39285

Adds up ten DLC characters.

- Midna
- Inkling
- Excitebiker
- King K. Rool
- Captain Toad
- Dixie Kong

- Mewtwo
- Solid Snake
- Ice Climbers
- Wolf

If this was what we ended up...well, my heart would be filled with rainbows.

Rainbows are great~

 

[EmceeEspio]

Since @ Scoliosis Jones posted a wish DLC roster in spite of naysayers I'm encouraged to do the same:

View attachment 39285

Adds up ten DLC characters.

- Midna
- Inkling
- Excitebiker
- King K. Rool
- Captain Toad
- Dixie Kong

- Mewtwo
- Solid Snake
- Ice Climbers
- Wolf

If this was what we ended up...well, my heart would be filled with rainbows.

I had a wish DLC roster to post but I scrapped it because I figured DLC unlikely by the time Mewtwo happened.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Have you ever played a Metal Gear game? Just because you say he isn't a legend doesn't mean he isn't one. I haven't seen one point you've made that actually grants credence to that idea. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to show he isn't what I'm claiming he is.

Snake is essentially what makes Metal Gear well...Metal Gear. There are many quotable moments that come from him. If you've never played the series you might not know. But you are certainly not he who decides Snake isn't a legend. Neither am I. But the idea that the series is legendary but not the main character? Come on now.

EDIT: I'd also like to mention that i'm talking about video gaming legends outside of Nintendo. You're moving the goalposts. I'm not talking about Link, Pikachu, Mario, etc... Sonic and Pac-Man are legends. Is Mega Man not a legend? Sure he is. Snake? Well, Metal Gear sold more overall than Mega Man has as a series, so there's something for Metal Gear has over a 3rd party character in Smash.

You also ignored things other people have said in response to your post about Snake. You can hate on the character all you want. But he's a gaming legend. The series sells millions, and he is a well loved character.

If you're talking about a gaming character everybody and their mother knows, then no. He's not that. But neither is Mega Man. Inside the gaming community though, Snake and Mega Man have their place.

Just because you aren't a fan doesn't mean he isn't a legend. Snake is an incredibly iconic video game character whether you want to admit it or not. If you want to talk sales, MGS has sold more than Mega Man has. Metal Gear Solid is a revolutionary series for the stealth genre of games, that much is undeniable. Also, I find the statement, "His game series is the legend, not him as a character" is silly. When you think Metal Gear Solid, you think Snake. The main protagonist. The gruff voice that has permeated the entire series. The guy who is there in every game of the series, whether Solid Snake or Big Boss (Naked Snake). He brings the character to the series.

A difference between Snake and Lara Croft is that Snake has already been in Smash Bros. He's already proved himself to be a unique character that has a Smash fanbase. Both are certainly iconic characters, and I would go as far to say they're both video gaming legends.

Sure, Snake got in because Kojima wanted a favor. Big whoop. Snake turned out to be one of the most unique characters in Smash Bros. as a series.

It's one thing to not like a character.But to say that the character isn't a legend because of that is just silly.

Actually, in my last post I referred to the VIDEO GAME HALL OF FAME, an incredibly exclusive club which doesn't give a damn about Snake, but does about his Series. Your remarks come across as an extremist fangirl; I never said I dislike Snake, and in no way am I "hating on him" for not being a fan- I merely am neutral about him.
Since I am now on a PC and not my phone, I will respond to the remarks I have read, and as I've stated in the past, disagree with the logic behind.

Even Nintendo recognized how big Snake is as a character.

Snake isn't an iconic character.. which is why he was one of the major selling points of Brawl. Right.

He was advertised to the general audience as one of the highlight of the game on the back cover of Brawl.

I'd actually state that he is advertised alongside Sonic to demonstrate that third parties are in this game, just the same that other companies in the game (even Second party) are given respect by having their name credited in a very visible location in game and out of game.
I don't think stating the 'cover characters' are even truly what advertise the game to a general audience, but they certainly do moreso than anyone merely on the back. If you want to follow this logic, then I guess Kyogre and Nintendog were also "huge Selling points of the game," because they are also featured on the back of the box.
In any case, there is not evidence that he was a 'major selling point of Brawl,' and if Nintendo felt that way, he would have likely been in the original cast of this new game, because "a major selling point" is not loosely dropped, or the sales would diminish as a direct response to the action.

People forget that without Snake, we might not even have Sonic, Mega Man, or Pac-Man. Snake was the first third-party character ever introduced to Smash Bros., and not to mention that Sonic was a late addition, meaning that Snake was going to be the only third-party in Brawl.

Solid Snake was a blessing that keeps giving.
Third Party representation, the Objectivity of the Codecs (which no doubt inspired Palutena's Guidance), and humor.
Snake would be my most wanted pick if it were not for Layton.

Snake may have been the first 3rd party character in the game, but we have no idea if that actually opened the door for other characters. We cannot know Sakurai would never have allowed third party characters if he did not allow in Snake. In fact, I would argue that since the only 'legacy' new-characters in Smash4, ones which have a historyof gaming and older fan appeal, are Pacman, Megaman, and Duck Hunt- I think by this iteration we would have seen third party characters implemented anyway.
I'd also remind you, Snake was the first third party who was kicked out of the Smash, which is noteworthy as well.

I guess Konami wanted to push Big Boss/Phantom Pain Snake for the new MGS game. So putting Solid Snake in SSB4 wouldn't be as hype for the new game than putting the much more gritty Big Boss in 4

This harps on another issue with Snake- there is not one version of the character. While this is said for many characters, the only one who actually undergoes any NAME changes is Megaman. I do admit this is a weak point, but it is still valid.

How does Snake still get flak as not iconic enough when he has already been in smash.

Circular logic is not something I tend to follow. Snake is in Smash because he is iconic, Snake is iconic because he was in smash...No. Snake was in the game because his series is prominent, his SERIES, Metal Gear, is legendary.
Unlike every other third party character, he is not even vital in his home games. Sure, he is the Mascot, but it seems more to be the default because he is most recurring, and in most of the games... though never in the same form. This further contributes to my thesis, that Metal Gear is a legendary series... Snake is not a legendary character, but merely the best representation of that franchise...though even this is a debatable statement, because Raiden is the character in PSASBR, and actually utilizes some elements of his series, the STEALTH.

Further more, I don't think he does his series justice. His character was bastardized to be fit into Brawl, and while some who claim to be 'fans' of the series think this is just dandy, I'd again argue,this is what being a fanboy is- unquestionable devotion in the face of adverse statements, needlessly agreeing to every decision where something you admire is called into existence (such as Snake being in the game). He is not a character who focuses on Bombs and cartoonish projectiles- and his Box was merely a taunt! None of the things about his series, his genre even, were communicated in his playstyle of Smash. The best we get is a Bomb he can hide...if that single handedly means 'Stealth' to anyone, then I don't think you understand the genre.

Unfortunately, I'm out of time, and I will be happy to debate some other smaller points in a future response.
However, I would like to add in that 'Sales' cannot be something you use for a character. If anything, you can for a series, and I don't think you want to break into that argument. If Sales contributes to a character being a legend, then I guess Wii Fit Trainer is a legend.

 

[N3ON]

Think the Rayman thread has been locked long enough mods?

 

[Wintropy]

I hope so.

I was literally just getting into Rayman support.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Actually, in my last post I referred to the VIDEO GAME HALL OF FAME, an incredibly exclusive club which doesn't give a damn about Snake, but does about his Series. Your remarks come across as an extremist fangirl; I never said I dislike Snake, and in no way am I "hating on him" for not being a fan- I merely am neutral about him.
Since I am now on a PC and not my phone, I will respond to the remarks I have read, and as I've stated in the past, disagree with the logic behind.

You can go on and on all you want that Metal Gear is legendary (Not Snake), but can you tell me how Metal Gear would be WITHOUT the character? Pray tell, would the story be as epic? Would it be as meaningful? No, it wouldn't be. Because Snake's story is what drives the entire plot. However, since I'm assuming you've never played the series, you wouldn't know that. In turn, because you wouldn't know that, you can't really make that claim. If Metal Gear is legendary, what makes it legendary? The gameplay...AND the story...AND the characters...

Also, here you claim to not "hate Snake". Hate is a strong word. But when you openly come out and say how worthless a character is, and that you are "not a fan", I'm assuming you don't like him much.

I'd actually state that he is advertised alongside Sonic to demonstrate that third parties are in this game, just the same that other companies in the game (even Second party) are given respect by having their name credited in a very visible location in game and out of game.
I don't think stating the 'cover characters' are even truly what advertise the game to a general audience, but they certainly do moreso than anyone merely on the back. If you want to follow this logic, then I guess Kyogre and Nintendog were also "huge Selling points of the game," because they are also featured on the back of the box.
In any case, there is not evidence that he was a 'major selling point of Brawl,' and if Nintendo felt that way, he would have likely been in the original cast of this new game, because "a major selling point" is not loosely dropped, or the sales would diminish as a direct response to the action.

While the Pokemon probably aren't that big a deal (even though Pokemon is ridiculously popular), 3rd Party characters and Assist Trophies premiered in Brawl. It wasn't the Nintendog itself, nor Kyogre or Groudon they were advertising, but the features of the game. Just like Snake and Sonic. "Play as 3rtd party characters Solid Snake and Sonic the Hedgehog!" That's basically what it's saying. It's a tad different.

Snake may have been the first 3rd party character in the game, but we have no idea if that actually opened the door for other characters. We cannot know Sakurai would never have allowed third party characters if he did not allow in Snake. In fact, I would argue that since the only 'legacy' new-characters in Smash4, ones which have a historyof gaming and older fan appeal, are Pacman, Megaman, and Duck Hunt- I think by this iteration we would have seen third party characters implemented anyway.
I'd also remind you, Snake was the first third party who was kicked out of the Smash, which is noteworthy as well.

There's no evidence that he was "kicked out". Kojima and Sakurai never communicated. They can always discuss it and make things happen.

This harps on another issue with Snake- there is not one version of the character. While this is said for many characters, the only one who actually undergoes any NAME changes is Megaman. I do admit this is a weak point, but it is still valid.

This actually isn't valid. The version of Snake in Brawl was a version that combined aspects of both Big Boss AND Solid Snake.

Circular logic is not something I tend to follow. Snake is in Smash because he is iconic, Snake is iconic because he was in smash...No. Snake was in the game because his series is prominent, his SERIES, Metal Gear, is legendary.
Unlike every other third party character, he is not even vital in his home games. Sure, he is the Mascot, but it seems more to be the default because he is most recurring, and in most of the games... though never in the same form. This further contributes to my thesis, that Metal Gear is a legendary series... Snake is not a legendary character, but merely the best representation of that franchise...though even this is a debatable statement, because Raiden is the character in PSASBR, and actually utilizes some elements of his series, the STEALTH.

Actually, Snake is VERY vital to his home series. As the clone of Big Boss, he is symbolically set upon a journey to continue the legacy of Big Boss. To become the ultimate soldier. During the events of Metal Gear Solid (Twin Snakes), Snake has issues with staying the course, and ultimately goes rogue with Otacon. By the end of Snake's story, he goes a different path than Big Boss had, showing the light at the end of the tunnel. As someone who has played the whole series, I don't think you know exactly what you're talking about here.

Also, Raiden in PSASBR has nothing to do with this.

Further more, I don't think he does his series justice. His character was *******ized to be fit into Brawl, and while some who claim to be 'fans' of the series think this is just dandy, I'd again argue,this is what being a fanboy is- unquestionable devotion in the face of adverse statements, needlessly agreeing to every decision where something you admire is called into existence (such as Snake being in the game). He is not a character who focuses on Bombs and cartoonish projectiles- and his Box was merely a taunt! None of the things about his series, his genre even, were communicated in his playstyle of Smash. The best we get is a Bomb he can hide...if that single handedly means 'Stealth' to anyone, then I don't think you understand the genre.

You're not looking at the gameplay aspect of it.

With Snake's moveset, the best way to use him is as a trap setter. You put C4 down, throw grenades and what have you to control the space your opponent has to maneuver around the stage, thus trapping them into doing what you want them to. Similar to how sneaking through various locales is done in MGS. You make a noise around a wall, lead a soldier over to said noise, and take them. Essentially setting a trap. How exactly would you incorporate stealth anyway? This is a strawman reason if I ever saw one.

Simply saying, "He doesn't represent stealth. FAIL!" is constricting, and not the purpose of every character in Smash Bros. Snake represents his series through the weapons he uses, and the tactics one must use within the game. If we're going to talk about how a character doesn't represent a game to a T, how does Captain Falcon perfectly represent F-Zero, Marth for FE, or any of the Star Fox characters perfectly represent Star Fox? They don't. They don't have to either to be fun. You know, the purpose of the game?

I will simply agree to disagree. I'm not going to force you to support Snake or anything like that. But a lot of these points are either flat out incorrect or not really proving anything imo.

 

[Frostwraith]

My currently most wanted characters for Smash DLC are just 4 veterans:
1. Wolf
2. Lucas
3. Snake
4. Roy

I've wanted Roy to return back in Brawl and Lucas and Wolf were great losses. I predicted Snake would be cut, but he was a great addition to the Smash series and was a fun character to play as.

Since people are posting rosters, here's mine:

This would be absolute perfection for me. Fits on a 3DS screen and is neatly organized. (Yes, it has no Roy, but it's still great.)

 

[N3ON]

Snake is like Cloud.

He's pretty much the biggest character of the company, from the biggest franchise. But not the one best suited for a Nintendo crossover.

I'd prefer other characters be included first from their respective companies, but if they get included I think they might as well stick around. They're gaming icons in their own right.

That said, I also wouldn't be too sad if they were to be removed.

 

[Deathlightning21]

Snake is like Cloud.

He's pretty much the biggest character of the company, from the biggest franchise. But not the one best suited for a Nintendo crossover.

This is the point where I bring up the point where Solid Snake was in a game where he fought barbie, optimus prime, megatron, the dude from Bloody Roar, and Simon Belmont

 

[N3ON]

This is the point where I bring up the point where Solid Snake was in a game where he fought barbie, optimus prime, megatron, the dude from Bloody Roar, and Simon Belmont

And what point is that you're making? That's not a Nintendo crossover.

That's a Konami crossover, where, as a Konami character, he is perfectly suited.

 

[Deathlightning21]

And what point is that you're making? That's not a Nintendo crossover.

That's a Konami crossover, where, as a Konami character, he is perfectly suited.

My point is that Snake's seriousness should not hinder him from being in a crossover game that is more or less kid-like in its nature.

 

[N3ON]

My point is that Snake's seriousness should not hinder him from being in a crossover game that is more or less kid-like in its nature.

That's not why he's not suited for a Nintendo crossover. He's not well suited because he makes appearances few and far between on Nintendo systems and has a history more associated with Sony, especially when there are alternatives from Konami like Simon or Bomberman who have much closer ties to Nintendo.

 

[A Distant Demon]

This is the point where I bring up the point where Solid Snake was in a game where he fought barbie, optimus prime, megatron, the dude from Bloody Roar, and Simon Belmont

is he not even oon the cover or is he just that stealthy?

 

[Deathlightning21]

is he not even oon the cover or is he just that stealthy?

He is not on the cover for whatever reason...or IS HE!? *dramatic music bum bum bum thing*

 

[Frostwraith]

He's a secret character in that game, so that's why he's not in the cover.