Character Discussion Thread

[Diddy Kong]

Skull Kid was imo the biggest loss in terms of Zelda characters who eventually became ATs. However, doesn't Ghirahim's AT actually function like a playable character? I haven't played the game on yet with ATs, let alone items, but I recall an update on the "Dojo" where Sakurai stated that Ghirahim could be knocked off the stage, and he would recover.

Lets me think that he might've been considered.

I would've absolutely LOVED to be able to fight Ghirahim as Impa.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

Skull Kid was imo the biggest loss in terms of Zelda characters who eventually became ATs. However, doesn't Ghirahim's AT actually function like a playable character? I haven't played the game on yet with ATs, let alone items, but I recall an update on the "Dojo" where Sakurai stated that Ghirahim could be knocked off the stage, and he would recover.

Lets me think that he might've been considered.

I would've absolutely LOVED to be able to fight Ghirahim as Impa.

No, no, no. As cool as that sounds that would be even more of a tease to the Zelda fans dontcha think? He is though one of the only assists that does 2+ attacks and he runs around and jumps across the stage a lot

 

[JamesDNaux]

Aren't you disappointed, as any Zelda Fan would be, that these two are just mere assists?

As a Zelda fan, I am completely satisfied with Link, Zelda and Ganondorf. Sheik and Toon Link are only bonuses.
The only thing that disappoints me about Zelda's "representation" is Ganondorf being a clone, but I'm used to it after three games.


On that note, I feel the same about Kirby, the main trio is already perfect as it is. Bandanna Dee seems to mostly be brought up for the sake of "another Kirby character" in the same vein as people mention "DK rep." I've never thought about Smash as being about representation, but about the individual characters and what they bring to the table. The only real exceptions are the main characters, I/E; Link (Protagonist), Zelda (Titular character), Ganondorf (Main antagonist), which is one reason why King K. Rool's absence bothers me. While Midna happens to be one of my favorite characters, she's ultimately not important in the long run (single appearance, outside of the spinoff Hyrule Warriors), and the only thing that she'd have is moveset potential. In that respect, she'd be the Rosalina of the Zelda franchise to Smash. Though I would enjoy her being playable, I'd never directly ask for it.

 

[Wintropy]

On that note, I feel the same about Kirby, the main trio is already perfect as it is. Bandanna Dee seems to mostly be brought up for the sake of "another Kirby character" in the same vein as people mention "DK rep." I've never thought about Smash as being about representation, but about the individual characters and what they bring to the table. The only real exceptions are the main characters, I/E; Link (Protagonist), Zelda (Titular character), Ganondorf (Main antagonist), which is one reason why King K. Rool's absence bothers me. While Midna happens to be one of my favorite characters, she's ultimately not important in the long run (single appearance, outside of the spinoff Hyrule Warriors), and the only thing that she'd have is moveset potential. In that respect, she'd be the Rosalina of the Zelda franchise to Smash. Though I would enjoy her being playable, I'd never directly ask for it.

I actually agree with this, though I will contest the point about BeeDee. Agreed, the main trio is perfect as it is, but BeeDee is really making a name for himself as a staple character in the Kirby series and he's got some cool potential as a newcomer, which always helps.

And before anybody says "no he doesn't", I will quite happily make a concise list of everything he could potentially do just to be a contrary little kitty cat~ ;3

 

[ZeldaFan01]

As a Zelda fan, I am completely satisfied with Link, Zelda and Ganondorf. Sheik and Toon Link are only bonuses.
The only thing that disappoints me about Zelda's "representation" is Ganondorf being a clone, but I'm used to it after three games.


On that note, I feel the same about Kirby, the main trio is already perfect as it is. Bandanna Dee seems to mostly be brought up for the sake of "another Kirby character" in the same vein as people mention "DK rep." I've never thought about Smash as being about representation, but about the individual characters and what they bring to the table. The only real exceptions are the main characters, I/E; Link (Protagonist), Zelda (Titular character), Ganondorf (Main antagonist), which is one reason why King K. Rool's absence bothers me. While Midna happens to be one of my favorite characters, she's ultimately not important in the long run (single appearance, outside of the spinoff Hyrule Warriors), and the only thing that she'd have is moveset potential. In that respect, she'd be the Rosalina of the Zelda franchise to Smash. Though I would enjoy her being playable, I'd never directly ask for it.

If anything having Midna & Wolf Link would have made more sense in Brawl, and, idk why they stopped her story with only one game? It still boggles my mind to this day that there's no TP sequel or just another Main game with her in general. I never played SS, I just wanted Ghirahim for the moveeset potential and because he looks cool (i know, lame reasons). But i see what your saying, Idk however how may more characters they can put in without pushing it. Be it (Skull Kid, Midna & Wolf Link, Ghirahim, Vaati, Impa, Tetra, Toon Zelda...)

 

[Diddy Kong]

What I like about Bandana Dee mostly is his moveset potential. Spearcopter, small but with a long large weapon excelent for spacing... Sounds just really cool to me.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I actually agree with this, though I will contest the point about BeeDee. Agreed, the main trio is perfect as it is, but BeeDee is really making a name for himself as a staple character in the Kirby series and he's got some cool potential as a newcomer, which always helps.

And before anybody says "no he doesn't", I will quite happily make a concise list of everything he could potentially do just to be a contrary little kitty cat~ ;3

Thus he would fall into the same category as Rosalina, as I mentioned. Moveset potential, fan demand, somewhat important, etc.

Though I fear his main obstacle is Sakurai himself. He's shown pretty clear bias to the Kirby games that he created himself, before leaving HAL, which is understandable, since Kirby is his baby. Before anyone brings it up, I know Sakurai also created Bandanna Dee, but he never reached a status higher than side character until after Sakurai left, so it's unclear as to his thoughts toward him.

He could also be unfortunate to fall under the same curse of Toad, an important character that remains in shadows far darker than Luigi's. For all intents and purposes, BD was included as a fourth playable character in Return to Dreamland for the same reason as "generic Blue and Yellow Toads." Player four had to have someone, after all. The similarities are very striking, actually.

While he'd certainly make for a fun character to play in Smash, he's another one that I can't personally get behind.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Toad, Bandana Dee, and Impa all have one similarity: loyality to the main royality / ruler of their respective universes. Toad: Bandana Dee: Impa: .

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I think Bandana Dee would've been added by now if ever, since Sakurai left Hal Laboratory, and since he said this was his last Smash bros game, the Kirby and Kid Icarus bias can get the hell outta Smash from the next game on.

 

[Wintropy]

Thus he would fall into the same category as Rosalina, as I mentioned. Moveset potential, fan demand, somewhat important, etc.

Though I fear his main obstacle is Sakurai himself. He's shown pretty clear bias to the Kirby games that he created himself, before leaving HAL, which is understandable, since Kirby is his baby. Before anyone brings it up, I know Sakurai also created Bandanna Dee, but he never reached a status higher than side character until after Sakurai left, so it's unclear as to his thoughts toward him.

He could also be unfortunate to fall under the same curse of Toad, an important character that remains in shadows far darker than Luigi's. For all intents and purposes, BD was included as a fourth playable character in Return to Dreamland for the same reason as "generic Blue and Yellow Toads." Player four had to have someone, after all. The similarities are very striking, actually.

While he'd certainly make for a fun character to play in Smash, he's another one that I can't personally get behind.

Oh, agreed absolutely. I missed the comment about Rosalina, my apologies~

But yeah, that's a fairly sound summation of the situation as it stands. I don't think BeeDee is necessary for the roster (I would contest if anybody is truly necessary), but as far as Kirby characters go, he seems to be the most likely and recurring candidate.

Personally, I'm pretty ambivalent towards him as a character. In terms of Kirby characters, my heart will always belong to Sir Kibble and Magolor. I doubt I'd even play BeeDee beyond a pocket for the lulz. I do think that he's got a lot of creative potential, though, and would be a pretty unique and original character, so I support him for those reasons.

I feel the same way about a lot of characters, though. I've only played a small handful of games between Metal Gear and Rayman, and I can't see myself playing either Snake nor Ray himself if they appear in Smash, but based on individual merits alone, I think they'd be great choices. I suppose I'm bit of a strange breed in that sense: I theoretically support every character, since I'm just happy seeing new blood for the sake of seeing new blood and knowing that somebody, somewhere, is happy about it. In a sense, me lending my support isn't so much a blessing as it is just an acknowledgement of the fact that they exist. But I got exactly whom I wanted, and more, so all I can do now is support others and help them in whatever way I can.

And I was on the Ridley train when it derailed and exploded, so believe me, I know how much it stings to see your top picks get ditched in the most ignominious and unfortunate manner possible. Faith unfettered, bloodied yet unbowed, I carry on regardless, ever optimistic about the future and happy to see where we go and how we get there.

 

[ZeldaFan01]

I think Bandana Dee would've been added by now if ever, since Sakurai left Hal Laboratory, and since he said this was his last Smash bros game, the Kirby and Kid Icarus bias can get the hell outta Smash from the next game on.

So you're saying there's zero chance of Sakurai adding a DLC character from Kirby or KI?... If so then that's really disappointing..

 

[False Sense]

I think Bandana Dee would've been added by now if ever, since Sakurai left Hal Laboratory, and since he said this was his last Smash bros game, the Kirby and Kid Icarus bias can get the hell outta Smash from the next game on.

Unless Bandana Dee continues to develop as a prominent Kirby character like he has in recent times, to a point where he's simply an obvious Smash candidate.

He may have even reached that point, actually.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Also, wouldn't you think Bandana Dee can do something besides use a spear? It's just a plain ordinary everyday spear. It's not like the Monado, Krystal's Staff, or Samus' arm cannon. If he's just gonna use a spear, there's gotta be something special about i, which there is not. He doesn't seem very athletic like the Fire Emblem lineup is either.

 

[False Sense]

Also, wouldn't you think Bandana Dee can do something besides use a spear? It's just a plain ordinary everyday spear. It's not like the Monado, Krystal's Staff, or Samus' arm cannon. If he's just gonna use a spear, there's gotta be something special about its high there is not.

Well, again... Marth and Lucina (and arguably Ike) use simple sword attacks for their entire move set. It doesn't need to be flashy to be unique and fun.

He doesn't seem very athletic like the Fire Emblem lineup is either.

But he's way more floaty, which could translate into a playstyle.

Honestly, athleticism has nothing to do with a character's chances...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Those characters were not part of Smash 4's uniqueness criteria.
What Bandanna Dee needs is more significance (than just being a playable side-character in two recent Kirby games) to the Kirby series to overlap the uniqueness criteria and justify his inclusion.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Well, again... Marth and Lucina (and arguably Ike) use simple sword attacks for their entire move set. It doesn't need to be flashy to be unique and fun.



But he's way more floaty, which could translate into a playstyle.

Honestly, athleticism has nothing to do with a character's chances...

I don't doubt it would be unique and fun, I'm just worried that it would be easy to get bored from.

Me for example. I use Lucina and Ike quite a lot, but sometimes I get bored with them, and I'm a huge Fire Emblem Fan even for a late bloomer.

And by "Floaty," does he really have that puff jump thing Kirby does? I'll admit I have almost no expertise in kirby except playing as King DeDeDe in Return to Dreamland, but this I never would've guessed.

 

[Diddy Kong]

is probably the most underrated character in terms of potential I still feel.

 

[False Sense]

I don't doubt it would be unique and fun, I'm just worried that it would be easy to get bored from.

Me for example. I use Lucina and Ike quite a lot, but sometimes I get bored with them, and I'm a huge Fire Emblem Fan even for a late bloomer.

Well, that's your problem, not Sakurai's.

Also, while he can't float in the same way that Kirby and Dedede can, he's still a light character that's mobile in the air. A floaty character like that can have a fully functional, unique play style without being "athletic."

 

[ZeldaFan01]

is probably the most underrated character in terms of potential I still feel.

Coming from someone who mains , on the contrary. I don't think there is any way they could've made her stronger. Err I mean, if thats what you mean

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ironically, Bandana Dee is more athletic than the entire Fire Emblem universe.

"Imma run into this dimension and save the universe, never stopping and literally jumping IN THE AIR multiple times."

Fire Emblem can't beat cartoony physics.

Regardless, why is this even being considered as a valid point?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Man you ever seen Ike doing those backflips in Fire Emblem? Those criticals, especially in Path of Radiance where just sooo satisfying!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Man you ever seen Ike doing those backflips in Fire Emblem? Those criticals, especially in Path of Radiance where just sooo satisfying!

Yes.

But can he twirl something with stub hands enough to fly?

 

[TheNerdyOne_]

Those characters were not part of Smash 4's uniqueness criteria.
What Bandanna Dee needs is more significance (than just being a playable side-character in two recent Kirby games) to the Kirby series to overlap the uniqueness criteria and justify his inclusion.

The simple fact that he uses a spear as his main weapon means that he's just as unique than half of the newcomers in Sm4sh. People so often point to the super unique newcomers, but forget about characters like Greninja and Palutena, to name a few. While they are unique in their own ways, not nearly as much as some others, and are very clear examples that being unique isn't always the deciding factor. For these characters, the deciding factor was their significance.

No other character has a weapon that can be thrown and picked up again, the closest to that is Olimar and his Pikmin. That alone is enough to make Bandanna Dee unique enough to warrant his inclusion, when combined with his significance. He has the potential for a unique moveset, certainly at least on par with some newcomers in Sm4sh.

I feel like Bandanna Dee and Impa are in very similar situations. Their franchises already have the necessary characters included, so much so that many think it's the perfect amount, but eventually Zelda and Kirby fans are going to get annoyed that they don't get any new characters to play with. Both Impa and Bandanna Dee are important enough to warrant their inclusion, and can also easily be unique enough as well. They both round out their franchises perfectly, beyond them I definitely agree that any more newcomers (from the characters we know of right now) would be overkill.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Why not discuss Sturm? The main villain of Advance Wars, even though his chances are slim, we can start raising awareness for him so that he's as popular as Ridley by SSB5 if we get one, or if everyone instantly wants him request him for DLC for this game. He could have a really cool moveset too,http://smashboards.com/threads/sturm-meteor-smashing-commander-of-black-hole-for-dlc.386649/

 

[Burruni]

Why not discuss Sturm? The main villain of Advance Wars, even though his chances are slim, we can start raising awareness for him so that he's as popular as Ridley by SSB5 if we get one, or if everyone instantly wants him request him for DLC for this game. He could have a really cool moveset too,http://smashboards.com/threads/sturm-meteor-smashing-commander-of-black-hole-for-dlc.386649/

1) Advance Wars, if getting anyone, would be one of the main protagonists because there's no game who got a villain before a protagonist in Smash.
2) "He's as popular as Ridley by SSB5" I'm sorry but this statement is blind to the amount of demand the likes of King K. Rool and Ridley have for being iconic parts of some of Nintendo's biggest and best series that people grew up with.
3) Advance Wars is, I feel, too "niche" of a series without a revolutionarily outstanding game to have someone that ends up being someone's top pick by fan desire alone (Nobody was asking for Marth before Melee, for example).
4) As with the case of any Advance Wars character, the big point to debate is what would happen with their moveset when the characters do nothing but command troops already represented by an Assist Trophy?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

1) Advance Wars, if getting anyone, would be one of the main protagonists because there's no game who got a villain before a protagonist in Smash.
2) "He's as popular as Ridley by SSB5" I'm sorry but this statement is blind to the amount of demand the likes of King K. Rool and Ridley have for being iconic parts of some of Nintendo's biggest and best series that people grew up with.
3) Advance Wars is, I feel, too "niche" of a series without a revolutionarily outstanding game to have someone that ends up being someone's top pick by fan desire alone (Nobody was asking for Marth before Melee, for example).
4) As with the case of any Advance Wars character, the big point to debate is what would happen with their moveset when the characters do nothing but command troops already represented by an Assist Trophy?

There is always the meme fame,

Spoiler

Seriously though, I do know that and Advance Wars protagonist (Sami) is my #2 most wanted DLC character, but the moveset I came up with for Sturm is really good, and I'd like to see how it'd be implemented into Smash Bros. What I meant by as popular as Ridley, is that he'd be highly requested if SSB5 happens. Get enough people to get into a character and really like that character and they start to want them in Smash Bros. Do at least check out the moveset though, It's not final,but gives you a basic idea of what Sturm could be like, and I came up with that moveset in less than 30 minutes, faster than Sakurai could come up with Greninja. Maybe I should be the new smash bros director.

 

[Chandeelure]

Oh, I missed the Deescussion.

 

[Burruni]

Oh, I missed the Deescussion.

CHANDY I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE DEE AT ANY TIME THROUGH A PM :3
Legitimately, BanD is one of less than a half-dozen characters I even desire in Smash anymore xD

Seriously though, I do know that and Advance Wars protagonist (Sami) is my #2 most wanted DLC character, but the moveset I came up with for Sturm is really good, and I'd like to see how it'd be implemented into Smash Bros. What I meant by as popular as Ridley, is that he'd be highly requested if SSB5 happens. Get enough people to get into a character and really like that character and they start to want them in Smash Bros. Do at least check out the moveset though, It's not final,but gives you a basic idea of what Sturm could be like, and I came up with that moveset in less than 30 minutes, faster than Sakurai could come up with Greninja. Maybe I should be the new smash bros director.

Your meme card is far exceeded by Ridley's Too Friggin Big and everything Shrek. I don't see a fraction of the people for your dream getting that excited for an Advance Wars character, especially such a bland villain whose moveset barely draws from the original source and could almost be summed up in the words "Meteors Everywhere." I just can't get behind the idea.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Oh, I missed the Deescussion.

Bring it back.

Bandanna Dee is my favourite option for a 4th Kirby Character, but I don't think he's gained the identity required to stand on his own feet. Easy Assist Trophy, but he still needs a bit more playability and significance in the Kirby series. For now, he's mostly just.....there. Give him some epic backstory as a Dedede army rebel or some ****!

 

[pupNapoleon]

But I've heard that the problem with Captain Toad or just toad in general is that he can't jump... even if he can, it would be interesting to see Toad more than just a B move.

He cannot jump.
That could be translated into a really interesting moveset with enough creativity. Of course he'd need something that gets him into the air, if not jumping-- but it would have to function differently, and be based on environmental understanding.

They really do need to settle the score...

I think first Nintendo needs to settle the story... as in, what is canon now?

In my opinion:

-Dixie Kong
-King K.Rool
-Cranky Kong
-Bandana Dee
-Impa
-Tetra
-Toon Zelda
-Isaac
-Toad
-Paper Mario

Needs more Pokemon to be a list of Nintendo Allstars.

Thats a really good idea, why didn't i think of that?? Idk the person on SSB4 Dojo was giving his reasons as to why Toad wouldn't make sense..

Aren't you disappointed, as any Zelda Fan would be, that these two are just mere assists?

,

They are each in one game- not counting Hyrule Warriors. I don't think they deserve to be playable in Smash.

 

[Chandeelure]

CHANDY I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE DEE AT ANY TIME THROUGH A PM :3
Legitimately, BanD is one of less than a half-dozen characters I even desire in Smash anymore xD

Hi Burruni! that would be cool. Also, feel free (obviously) to post something in the Bandana Dee Thread :D

Bring it back.

Bandanna Dee is my favourite option for a 4th Kirby Character, but I don't think he's gained the identity required to stand on his own feet. Easy Assist Trophy, but he still needs a bit more playability and significance in the Kirby series. For now, he's mostly just.....there. Give him some epic backstory as a Dedede army rebel or some ****!

A better backstory would be cool, maybe Rainbow Curse will surprise us with something in a cutscene.

 

[Burruni]

Here's my entire mindset with BanD, and this really hasn't wavered.

1. He is the only Kirby character not currently included that has made a standing mark across multiple games and the more he gets used (Super Star, Super Star Ultra, Return to Dreamland, 20th Anniversary Dream Collection, Triple Deluxe, and now Rainbow Curse) only shows that he is a 4th Main Character that isn't going anywhere.
2. Unlike someone like Captain Toad, he has the arsenal of everything that the Waddle Dees have used across the series as potential for his moveset. He isn't just limited to his spear. What stops him from summoning a Nruff (the pig thing) or personal Mine Cart to ride on like Wario does with his bike? Nothing! Using one of those giant Waddle Tanks for a final smash? Exactly!
   
3. Nintendo as a whole considered him important enough to have a Streetpass Plaza hat. This proves, in the least, that he is someone that is surely known for what popularity he has.
4. Nobody in smash uses a lance or spear type weapon, DESPITE IT BEING ONE OF THE THREE PRIMARY WEAPONS OF FIRE EMBLEM. The closest thing we have to it is the fact that Marth's rapier has a tipper mechanic.
5. Counting his early debut in the Megaton Punch mini-game, he has been in 7 Kirby games, 4 of which inarguably as a primary character. Considering that Kirby is a series that only has a couple dozen games under its belt (Averaging about 1 title per year, big or small) which rarely use characters across multiple games, this is nothing to scoff at. He is more of a Rosalina to Kirby than a Captian Toad.

 

[pupNapoleon]

1) Advance Wars, if getting anyone, would be one of the main protagonists because there's no game who got a villain before a protagonist in Smash.

 

[Burruni]

Yeah. The Antagonist (Dog), Protagonist (Zapper user), and target (Ducks) are all used as a tag-team, if you watched the trailer.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

To be fair, we got the whole darn cast.

 

[pupNapoleon]

To be fair, we got the whole darn cast.

Still just Duck Hunt Duo in the UK, though, is it not?
There is no real answer to that, to be fair, because I don't believe that game has a protagonist. Could argue it is the zapper, but just as easily that such isn't necessarily a character or at least not the main.

There is always the meme fame,

Spoiler

Seriously though, I do know that and Advance Wars protagonist (Sami) is my #2 most wanted DLC character, but the moveset I came up with for Sturm is really good, and I'd like to see how it'd be implemented into Smash Bros. What I meant by as popular as Ridley, is that he'd be highly requested if SSB5 happens. Get enough people to get into a character and really like that character and they start to want them in Smash Bros. Do at least check out the moveset though, It's not final,but gives you a basic idea of what Sturm could be like, and I came up with that moveset in less than 30 minutes, faster than Sakurai could come up with Greninja. Maybe I should be the new smash bros director.

C'mon bro... the Wolf comments interjected every ten minutes make it hard enough to take you seriously, but all this...

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Still just Duck Hunt Duo in the UK, though, is it not?
There is no real answer to that, to be fair, because I don't believe that game has a protagonist. Could argue it is the zapper, but just as easily that such isn't necessarily a character or at least not the main.


C'mon bro... the Wolf comments interjected every ten minutes make it hard enough to take you seriously, but all this...

I never mentioned Wolf in that post, and Sami really is my number 2 most wanted DLC character, what's wrong with that, I never said (guess who my number 1 is) or anything like that. Just trying to give you a scope on how much I want Sami. Sturm is my number 4 behind Pious at number 3 and ahead of King Krool at number 5 and John Raimi at number 6.
http://smashboards.com/threads/sturm-meteor-smashing-commander-of-black-hole-for-dlc.386649/
This is what I created for Sturm a really interesting moveset. I'd actually be focussing my resources on promoting my most wanted newcomers for DLC, but you know.

 

[pupNapoleon]

To be fair, we got the whole darn cast.

I never mentioned Wolf in that post, and Sami really is my number 2 most wanted DLC character, what's wrong with that, I never said (guess who my number 1 is) or anything like that. Just trying to give you a scope on how much I want Sami. Sturm is my number 4 behind Pious at number 3 and ahead of King Krool at number 5 and John Raimi at number 6.
http://smashboards.com/threads/sturm-meteor-smashing-commander-of-black-hole-for-dlc.386649/
This is what I created for Sturm a really interesting moveset. I'd actually be focussing my resources on promoting my most wanted newcomers for DLC, but you know.

Never said it's bad to want a character.
To think he is realistic, or will become realistic... baseless claim...

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Never said it's bad to want a character.
To think he is realistic, or will become realistic... baseless claim...

Never said realistic now, maybe by SSB5 (if there is one)The fan series Bob squad is good meme material for Strum, I'm not sure how many people make Advance Wars comedy series,but at a time, there were alot kind of like brawl machinimas. Its sort of like raising awerness to, who knows you may even end up growing to like Sturm, and if not.... It's in the spoilers because videos don't do so well here.

Spoiler

Now if you survived the Meteors check out the Bob Squad series, think of them kind of like the assist trophy we have now from Advance Wars. Also they were in Captain Rainbow.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Also, wouldn't you think Bandana Dee can do something besides use a spear? It's just a plain ordinary everyday spear. It's not like the Monado, Krystal's Staff, or Samus' arm cannon. If he's just gonna use a spear, there's gotta be something special about i, which there is not. He doesn't seem very athletic like the Fire Emblem lineup is either.

There are two flaws in this argument:

The first is that both of the other Kirby-side characters use "ordinary" weapons without magical qualities.
King DeeDeeDee uses "only" a hammer without superduperelementalsuperuniquemagic.
Same with Meta Knight, and he uses a sword, like the other 8 swordfighters or so. And still he's unique, right?
So you can be unique without magic.

So for BDee, he could be a long ranged fighter, but since the spear is very thin, his attacks have blindspots.

The other example is Pac-Man.
He is unique without pulling moves directly from canon, aka got a moveset straight outta Sak's ***
Essentially, he's a PPK character, but has a move with 8 different projectiles.
Did he use those in Pac-Man? Nope.
The fruits were collectibles and yet they are a fitting and unique tool in Pac's arsenal.


Here are some cranky gimmicks BDee could use:

-His Spear extends a bit with Jet Hammer-y electronics every time he deals damage.
-Same as previous, but as a chargable Neutral B
-He can throw his spear for lotsa damage and KO Potential, but he can only use his weak dash attack afterwards (The famous Waddle Trip)