Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Well, we have the next best thing.

 

[Deleted member]

Right, and now RARE is first party to Microsoft, so RARE is pretty much with Microsoft to stay, i.e. Banjo-Kazooie will never get representation in Smash.

I would add following my previous post that, as a second-party can be purchased as we have seen with Banjo-Kazooie, the same thing might happen to other second-party series like Golden Sun and co (except if Nintendo owns a large part of their IPs), and as such, Nintendo and Sakurai may put them in the lowest priority in order to avoid copyright issues with the IP of Smash Bros. in the future.

It was something I thought long ago when I started thinking about Issac's chances and all the first-second-party stuff.
It may look farfetched but like I said, this kind of case could happen.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Banjo-Kazooie are some of the stupidest characters people want in Smash

 

[BluePikmin11]

Banjo-Kazooie are some of the stupidest characters people want in Smash

You should post that in the Unpopular Smash 4 Opinions thread.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Banjo-Kazooie are some of the stupidest characters people want in Smash

Well, at least some of them understand why it's a pipe dream.

I've even met a famous lets player at PAX Prime, JoshJepson, whose a huge Banjo Kazooie fan, who understood the situation pretty well.

 

[Substitution]

Banjo-Kazooie are some of the stupidest characters people want in Smash

I know right! Conker is objectively the better choice.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Well, at least some of them understand why it's a pipe dream.

I've even met a famous lets player at PAX Prime, JoshJepson, whose a huge Banjo Kazooie fan, who understood the situation pretty well.

I actually highly doubt that Josh Jepson knows much about Smash. He says he isn't a fan of the series, and in all his episodes of Smash you can tell that his knowledge of the game is very poor.

 

[Ffamran]

Banjo-Kazooie are some of the stupidest characters people want in Smash

There's worse... Much worse... Like, there are probably people out there who legitimately want Jason Voorhees in Smash. IMAGINE THAT! Even if he was kiddified, it wouldn't make sense to have him in. Should I mention IGN - well, it's IGN... - listing characters that should be in and a lot of the characters don't make sense like Master Chief and Cloud Strife? I know for a fact that Cloud Strife was one of the characters, but I'm not sure about Master Chief, but knowing IGN, he's probably on that list. This was years ago when Brawl wasn't finished, but holy crap, you'd have to be stupid as sin to request Master Chief, an exclusive character to Microsoft, in SSB, an exclusive game to Nintendo. Oh, but Snake and Sonic got in. They had history with Nintendo. Does Master Chief have history with Nintendo? No. As for Cloud, it's Cloud and FFVII, the "best" game ever. Of course they would want him in every game no matter who stupid it would be.

Oh, and let's not mention stuff like "OC do not steal" characters...

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I actually highly doubt that Josh Jepson knows much about Smash. He says he isn't a fan of the series, and in all his episodes of Smash you can tell that his knowledge of the game is very poor.

We're getting a bit close to derailing the thread. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Deathlightning21]

There's worse... Much worse... Like, there are probably people out there who legitimately want Jason Voorhees in Smash. IMAGINE THAT! Even if he was kiddified, it wouldn't make sense to have him in. Should I mention IGN - well, it's IGN... - listing characters that should be in and a lot of the characters don't make sense like Master Chief and Cloud Strife? I know for a fact that Cloud Strife was one of the characters, but I'm not sure about Master Chief, but knowing IGN, he's probably on that list. This was years ago when Brawl wasn't finished, but holy crap, you'd have to be stupid as sin to request Master Chief, an exclusive character to Microsoft, in SSB, an exclusive game to Nintendo. Oh, but Snake and Sonic got in. They had history with Nintendo. Does Master Chief have history with Nintendo? No. As for Cloud, it's Cloud and FFVII, the "best" game ever. Of course they would want him in every game no matter who stupid it would be.

Oh, and let's not mention stuff like "OC do not steal" characters...

H-How do you even make OCs for Smash Bros?!

 

[Ffamran]

H-How do you even make OCs for Smash Bros?!

Simple, you take a character like Sonic, give him a paint job, and declare that a new character was made.

 

[Deathlightning21]

Simple, you take a character like Sonic, give him a paint job, and declare that a new character was made.

So....like Dark Pit?

 

[BluePikmin11]

So....like Dark Pit?

No, like Blade the Hedgehog from the fangame Super Smash Flash.

 

[Deleted member]

No, like Blade the Hedgehog from the fangame Super Smash Flash.

And Blade had his donut steel palette swap clone character Blue.

 

[Substitution]

I thought we collectively agreed not to speak of those two.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I say Xenoblade has earned the amount of content, there is a ton of memorable characters in the game that deserved trophy representation.

I won't deny that. My point was just that Golden Sun and Custom Robo got shafted, so complaining about other series not getting more representation is kind of a ***** slap to those fans.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I always thought that if we got DLC characters it would consist of planned characters that were cut due to time constraints, and now we basically have confirmation that there were characters cut for that reason. If they do add more characters through DLC I think it would consist of just those characters. I'm pretty sure Mewtwo was one of those characters along with Wolf and Lucas, and I have to believe either Dixie or K. Rool were also planned. I'd almost feel insulted if neither of them were even planned, though if one of them were in fact planned I think it would more likely have been Dixie Kong based on everything Sakurai has said.

 

[Deathlightning21]

I wonder who is in charge of picking the characters for DLC...if Sakurai is the one behind everything then I'm sure we're going to be in for one big, mind straining, ride

I hope we get little riddles or hints at the end of each DLC trailers, i freakin love riddles

 

[Bowserlick]

Perhaps King (Kaptain) K. Rool's special moveset was conceived during the planning stage, but given over to Bowser Jr. when developers realized his size and abilities would lead to an unbalanced character one way or another.

B was cannonball, Up B was a downward, exploding cannonball that propelled the Kroc skyward, down B was a Klaptrap, and side B was a flame propulsion from his backwards pointed blunderbuss.

That must be it.

 

[Kenith]

I don't know much about King K. Rool's abilities, but he does have multiple costumes, right? Maybe his moveset could revolve around him having many special moves by swapping costumes?

 

[Deathlightning21]

I don't know much about King K. Rool's abilities, but he does have multiple costumes, right? Maybe his moveset could revolve around him having many special moves by swapping costumes?

Iunno, doesn't Sakurai want people to focus more on one moveset rather than 2 or more movesets?

 

[BluePikmin11]

He has multiple costumes, but that isn't K. Rool's main gimmick in the DKC games.

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't know much about King K. Rool's abilities, but he does have multiple costumes, right? Maybe his moveset could revolve around him having many special moves by swapping costumes?

Considering Sakurai's thoughts on alternate costumes, I don't think he would likely do something like that.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean.... :/

 

[pupNapoleon]

One thing to know is, among series like Golden Sun, Custom Robo and such is that Xenoblade is a first-party series made by a first-party studio, and this fact should have played a lot to its inclusion.

Also, remember the Banjo-Kazooie's case, which was likely to get in as it was a popular series made by a second-party, but failed because of Rare's purchase by Microsoft ?

I thought Monolith (Xenoblade), like Camelot (Golden Sun), was second party (Rare used to be to Nintendo).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I thought Monolith (Xenoblade), like Camelot (Golden Sun), was second party (Rare used to be to Nintendo).

Monolith is owned wholly by Nintendo.

Camelot is not.

So Monolith is first party. Thus Xenoblade is.

 

[Bowserlick]

K. Rool shuffling through three costumes with his Down B ability to change the rest of his specials would be a unique rift on the idea of customizable moves.

Instead of customizing specials in the beginning of the match, K. Rool could choose among three sets based on his costume at the time during the fight.

He could be the jack-of-all trades heavyweight.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

I've been seeing talk of how Mother and Xenoblade didn't get enough content... are ou kidding me? Xenoblade is a series' first, and only a few people knew of its existence before Smash. Mother is a dead franchise with only one international release way long ago... and you think they don't have enough content? Although I still want Lucas, I do think that Mother has enough as it is. The real franchise that got shafted is Donkey Kong.

 

[PSIBoy]

I've been seeing talk of how Mother and Xenoblade didn't get enough content... are ou kidding me? Xenoblade is a series' first, and only a few people knew of its existence before Smash. Mother is a dead franchise with only one international release way long ago... and you think they don't have enough content? Although I still want Lucas, I do think that Mother has enough as it is. The real franchise that got shafted is Donkey Kong.

Possibly add Metroid to the list with the whole Ridley fiasco, but yeah. I understand why Lucas wasn't high priority, and didn't have high hopes for him and Ness to come back in this time, despite anyone telling from my signature I want him back.

Also, Earthbound was just released just last year outside Japan and North America. Just saying.

 

[BluePikmin11]

DKC has a good wealth of trophies and two stages already. It's got a good amount of content as it is.

 

[PSIBoy]

DKC has a good wealth of trophies and two stages already. It's got a good amount of content as it is.

He's talking about playable characters. In my opinion, DK should've had a third character too.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

DKC has a good wealth of trophies and two stages already. It's got a good amount of content as it is.

I could say that about almost every series.

 

[Kenith]

K. Rool shuffling through three costumes with his Down B ability to change the rest of his specials would be a unique rift on the idea of customizable moves.

Instead of customizing specials in the beginning of the match, K. Rool could choose among three sets based on his costume at the time during the fight.

He could be the jack-of-all trades heavyweight.

That's the idea I had for him. Granted, I know little about the character, but I think when are Smash movesets 100% accurate anyway?
It would be unique after all.

I could say that about almost every series.

I could say that absolutely all of them. Some series got two newcomers, others got none, but if we're making generalizations I'd say they all have more than "enough" representation.
Donkey Kong is probably the only series I think really should have a new character that didn't. Dixie Kong was extremely well liked and was a great choice all around. The fact she isn't in baffles me.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I thought we collectively agreed not to speak of those two.

The fact that I had missed out on this conversation makes me sad.

But yeah, Banjo and Kazooie would fit in Smash though the chances of them happening is very very low. As for them being stupid, many users had seen much worse suggestions on Miiverse and the team isn't dumb enough to listen to them.

There's about a few months left until we see Mewtwo in Smash and I can't hep but to think that there's more to it than just producing his model. Perhaps we might get an extra stage with some new songs to go along with it or even a few new characters to complete the pack. Either this could be the case or I'm just over analyzing the situation since we had been getting less answers.

 

[Substitution]

The fact that I had missed out on this conversation makes me sad.

When in doubt, the Social Thread will recycle the topic.

 

[BKupa666]

I wonder, if K. Rool comes back and Dixie stays playable, if DK would get the "Kirby treatment" next game. Smash does have a pattern of adding things fans want to see, multiple games late, and yet the fact that it takes multiple games to see these things added is a good sign the finger is only ever loosely on the fans' pulse to begin with.

(Dixie, I guess, would depend on the rationale for excluding her this time...if they passed on her without making an effort to learn about Tropical Freeze from Retro, whether they knew and made her low priority, or they just simply didn't give a care and labeled her "not unique").

 

[BluePikmin11]

Depends on the situation, I see Sakurai adding K. Rool if he at least appears in two more new DKC installments. (Not counting potential spin-offs)

Though I can easily see Dixie being added early as DLC, so I personally don't think "the Kirby treatment" will happen.

 

[BKupa666]

"At least two new DKC installments" might not even come out before next Smash. Talk about an arbitrary quota, especially when just one new DKC is enough to prompt zealotry over what a "shoo-in" Dixie is.

 

[Substitution]

What even is a "shoo-in" in this day and age?

 

[Kenith]

"At least two new DKC installments" might not even come out before next Smash. Talk about an arbitrary quota, especially when just one new DKC is enough to prompt zealotry over what a "shoo-in" Dixie is.

I was just about to chip in and say exactly say this. Definitely expected Dixie Kong for a while thanks to Tropical Freeze and that was one game.

 

[False Sense]

What even is a "shoo-in" in this day and age?

A completely arbitrary concept, an illusion, created by over-confident fans.