Character Discussion Thread

[Kalimdori]

I don't think this was ever actually brought up here:

http://nintendoeverything.com/sakur...ayer-smash-originally-planned-for-melee-more/

Sakurai gave us a good estimate as to how long DLC characters might take to make.

He says that production of Mewtwo just started, and due to the deadline for registering Smash on Club Nintendo to get Mewtwo ending at the end of March, I'd guess we'll get Mewtwo in April, maybe early May, which means it takes roughly 4-5 months to make a unique character (Probably much less for a clone).

If they do support DLC throughout Smash 4's lifespan, it really isn't that farfecthed to expect 2-3 characters a year.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think he was being literal that Mewtwo just started. Production had to have started at least sometime before the 50-Fact Extravaganza for there to be an existing model for both games to show off.

 

[Kalimdori]

I don't think he was being literal that Mewtwo just started. Production had to have started at least sometime before the 50-Fact Extravaganza for there to be an existing model for both games to show off.

Not necessarily. He's been adamantly claiming that he has been focusing on the initial game and only the initial game until Smash was fully released. I wouldn't be surprised if the model we were shown was prepared for the purpose of announcing Mewtwo in the Extravaganza, then put on the backburner while the development team finished with the initial release. Mewtwo doesn't have a very complex model, probably took 3-4 days for 2-3 people too make.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I don't think this was ever actually brought up here:

http://nintendoeverything.com/sakur...ayer-smash-originally-planned-for-melee-more/

Sakurai gave us a good estimate as to how long DLC characters might take to make.

He says that production of Mewtwo just started, and due to the deadline for registering Smash on Club Nintendo to get Mewtwo ending at the end of March, I'd guess we'll get Mewtwo in April, maybe early May, which means it takes roughly 4-5 months to make a unique character (Probably much less for a clone).

If they do support DLC throughout Smash 4's lifespan, it really isn't that farfecthed to expect 2-3 characters a year.

So there will be more,but we have to wait until they're announced. I still can't believe they just started on Mewtwo. Hopefully this means that they announce at least a month before they start working on them.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Each dlc character taking 4-5 months doesn't necessarily equal 2-3 characters a year. That's assuming they don't work on multiple dlc characters at the same time, which doesn't seem particularly time effective to me.

Not to mention it's not how they would have created characters for the main game, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the games for 50+ years.

 

[N3ON]

Sakurai is a big liar. Especially when he knows no one can prove him wrong.

 

[Frostwraith]

If they had a model to show on the 50-Fact Direct, they had to have started development on him a little earlier. Making the model is part of a characters' development, after all.

They might have been giving more attention to the main game, working on Mewtwo on the side.

Now that the game is out, they only have to focus on developing Mewtwo as well as finishing the upcoming Miiverse stage and Tournament mode, two things that ought to be close to completion, given they were shown at a functional level on the 50-Fact Extravaganza.

What Sakurai likely meant is that complete developmental focus on Mewtwo was just started being given since the game is out. Obviously, focusing on the main game is more important than developing DLC when the game still unreleased.

And of course he's going to take less time compared to other characters that took a year, according to Sakurai. There's a big difference between developing characters while developing the entire game and having the team entirely focused on one single character. That should be obvious.

I don't get the logic of Sakurai being a liar. Seems to me that people aren't too knowledgeable on how game development works... Then again, hating on Sakurai seems to be the cool thing to do for majority of this fanbase, so I can't say I'm surprised.

Before someone calls me an apologist or such ****:
1. I have criticized Sakurai before and am the first to say that he's not perfect.
2. I have been in similar positions as him, albeit in obviously much smaller projects. I can understand better where Sakurai is going sometimes and honestly, a lot of his decisions (though sometimes questionable) make sense from a developer's perspective.

 

[N3ON]

Him being a liar doesn't mean I hate him.

Lots of devs are liars. It's not a profession I expect transparency or complete honesty from.

 

[Freduardo]

Wave 2 of amiibos comes out in two days

Diddy Kong, Pit, Little Mac, Luigi, Captain Falcon and Zelda.

Here's why I need all of them:

I had diddy kong, little Mac, and pit on pre order because I play those characters, have personal childhood attachments to all of them, and wanted them.

I need to get falcon cause I bet he's going to go the way of villager and Marth which I regret missing out on.

I need Zelda for whatever she'll do in Zelda games. And I'd kill for a four swords game that uses amiibos.

Luigi's the only low priority. But he's also Luigi, and that kind of makes him one I need too.

Nintendo took my moneys.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The ones I'll probably get are Pit, Luigi, and Mac.

 

[Kenith]

I'm not getting any amiibos.
Not paying $12 for a figure that poorly painted, broken, or simply not even available.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Amiibo wave 2 talk, eh?

Luigi and Zelda for me. Zelda due to her being pretty handy for Hyrule Warriors(and I do enjoy her character), and Luigi because of my Mario-verse bias. My friend's getting Falcon(and Mac), and I'd only really want him to unlock the Falcon Mario Kart outfit. I'll just have him scan him on my Wii U, and scan my Luigi, Mario, Yoshi and Peach with him in exchange.

I may get Diddy if I ever get around to nabbing Donkey Kong too.

 

[Freduardo]

I'm not getting any amiibos.
Not paying $12 for a figure that poorly painted, broken, or simply not even available.

Poorly painted? Maybe the Marth and Peach faces. But Samus' paint job is quite nice. Kirby's too (though how that could go wrong is beyond me.) I haven't dealt with any of mine breaking, though I completely agree that unavailable is a problem. If I don't get Marth and Villager, how will I train them?

 

[Deleted member]

Not necessarily. He's been adamantly claiming that he has been focusing on the initial game and only the initial game until Smash was fully released. I wouldn't be surprised if the model we were shown was prepared for the purpose of announcing Mewtwo in the Extravaganza, then put on the backburner while the development team finished with the initial release. Mewtwo doesn't have a very complex model, probably took 3-4 days for 2-3 people too make.

Models count for production. Even if Mewtwo was held off until after the main release, the fact he has existing models shows production had technically started a while back.

"Just started" in the non-literal sense can be used as an idiom to refer to "barely made any progress". In this case, with Mewtwo shown to have some degree of progress (the models), the idiom would apply in the statement.

 

[Kalimdori]

Models count for production. Even if Mewtwo was held off until after the main release, the fact he has existing models shows production had technically started a while back.

"Just started" in the non-literal sense can be used as an idiom to refer to "barely made any progress". In this case, with Mewtwo shown to have some degree of progress (the models), the idiom would apply in the statement.

I'm confused, you basically rearranged what I just said, that very little work has been done on Mewtwo, supporting my estimate of 4-5 months of work for a DLC character. So are you agreeing with me? And if so, does this mean all you're trying to do is correct me on a technicality?

If you're that picky about technicalities, yes, technically an existing model means that production has technically started, however taking into account Sakurai's current and previous quotes it still means that Mewtwo, and by extension other possible DLC characters, would take around 4-5 months to complete depending on when they release him.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I might get the Shulk amiibo if I see it next year, otherwise I'm not too bothered.

Needless to say if we get Isaac dlc, just having an Isaac figurine alone is enough. Never mind the functionality.

I saw the amiibo in person today, they're smaller than I was expecting.

 

[Argos]

I tend not to be that interested in video game paraphernalia is general so I'm not planning on getting an amiibo any time soon. It seems they're doing well though, and if Nintendo ends up putting a fair amount of that extra income into game development I don't really have any problems with them.

 

[vaanrose]

Not necessarily. He's been adamantly claiming that he has been focusing on the initial game and only the initial game until Smash was fully released. I wouldn't be surprised if the model we were shown was prepared for the purpose of announcing Mewtwo in the Extravaganza, then put on the backburner while the development team finished with the initial release. Mewtwo doesn't have a very complex model, probably took 3-4 days for 2-3 people too make.

That model would take a professional game modeler two work days, tops. Add an extra day if a different artist was in charge of texturing, and maybe a week or two of revisions for Sakurai to sign off of it.

That said, I don't think they necessarily busted the model out the night before or anything. Just that they really wouldn't have had to have planned that far in advance to be able the make the model to show in the 50 fact direct.

I'm with Golden here. "Just started" doesn't mean they literally just began development at that very moment. It means he's probably somewhere in the 10-20% completion range.

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't know if I will ever get all amiibos but I definitely will get Duck Hunt, Pac-Man, Little Mac, and Mega Man.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

So there will be more,but we have to wait until they're announced. I still can't believe they just started on Mewtwo. Hopefully this means that they announce at least a month before they start working on them.

Here's to hoping we get a MK8 type of surprise

 

[Andinus]

Here's to hoping we get a MK8 type of surprise

The Wolf/Lucas package, complete with corresponding stages....take my money Nintendo, it's all yours!

 

[Sakuraichu]

Question!

If we get a Direct this month, who would you think the DLC character announcement will be?

Groose. LET THE GROOSE BE LOOSE!
Just joking, Wolf. But I would be more than happy if Groose was playable.

Anyway, on the topic of the current discussion, I want the Captain Falcon Amiibo.

 

[Deleted member]

On the subject of amiibo, I only plan to get them for the really bizarre/obscure characters, like Shulk, Duck Hunt, or Mr. Game & Watch for example. and then I can make so much money

Here's to hoping we get a MK8 type of surprise

MK8 brought back Wario's Gold Mine, which I loved but my brothers hate.

please. In all seriousness I'd like to play on a Chimera-less New Pork City in 8 player smash

 

[Diddy Kong]

Next characters in line for DLC are probably the Ice Climbers. But am far more looking out for Wolf and Lucas. Ice Climbers are the kind of cut I feel is justified due to their past two incarnations being such a mess. Only way I'd want them back is with some serious fixing.

 

[Sakuraichu]

Next characters in line for DLC are probably the Ice Climbers. But am far more looking out for Wolf and Lucas. Ice Climbers are the kind of cut I feel is justified due to their past two incarnations being such a mess. Only way I'd want them back is with some serious fixing.

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*Two minutes later*
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*Throws remote across the room*

 

[Frostwraith]

Next characters in line for DLC are probably the Ice Climbers. But am far more looking out for Wolf and Lucas. Ice Climbers are the kind of cut I feel is justified due to their past two incarnations being such a mess. Only way I'd want them back is with some serious fixing.

Plus, there's also the issue of them not working well on the 3DS version.

And considering how Sakurai stated how 8-player Smash "barely made it" and detailed how their attempts at implementing the mode in past titles failed due to technical issues makes me think that mode might also have been a factor against them, though this is more speculation on my part.

please. In all seriousness I'd like to play on a Chimera-less New Pork City in 8 player smash

New Pork City would be perfect for the new 8-player mode. Shame it didn't return. Probably due to Lucas not returning to the game.

If they made Lucas DLC, they could bring back the stage, I guess. Or make a new stage based on Mother 3...

 

[Diddy Kong]

If Ice Climbers return, Nana shouldn't be able to grab, like at all. Or even make it so that 2 players can control both one Ice Climber as they play? Essentially share the character. That'd be kind of cool...

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

If Ice Climbers return, Nana shouldn't be able to grab, like at all. Or even make it so that 2 players can control both one Ice Climber as they play? Essentially share the character. That'd be kind of cool...

That would fix a lot of problems. Though, with the new unable to grab again for a second mechanic, couldn't Nana just be counted in that as well?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Characters are unable to grab again anyway in this game, so Nana shouldn't be that broken.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I don't think this was ever actually brought up here:

http://nintendoeverything.com/sakur...ayer-smash-originally-planned-for-melee-more/

Sakurai gave us a good estimate as to how long DLC characters might take to make.

He says that production of Mewtwo just started, and due to the deadline for registering Smash on Club Nintendo to get Mewtwo ending at the end of March, I'd guess we'll get Mewtwo in April, maybe early May, which means it takes roughly 4-5 months to make a unique character (Probably much less for a clone).

If they do support DLC throughout Smash 4's lifespan, it really isn't that farfecthed to expect 2-3 characters a year.

I think one reason is due to th fact that single/online tourny mode and that miiverse stage is in development too

I think mewtwo along with the stage and mode will be released the same day


And also

So duck hunt dog got in the same way pit got in brawl (also for uniqueness and duck hunt possibly the best shooter in the world)

And nothing to do with....

Spoiler

Giving the fans finally chance to get....

Spoiler

 

[AEMehr]

Characters are unable to grab again anyway in this game, so Nana shouldn't be that broken.

No, characters that are grabbed are immune to grabs for a short period of time after being grabbed, it wouldn't be possible for Popo and Nana to chain-grab in this game even if they didn't change how those two worked.

 

[N3ON]

I could see ICs returning as DLC specifically for the Wii U and New 3DS. It'd be a bit of a scummy move, but what with technical limitations, Nintendo wanting to incentivize purchasing the New 3DS, and them probably being near complete (at least on the Wii U), it wouldn't surprise me if it happened.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

What do you think our chances are of seeing Mewtwo footage in the next direct? (January/February)

I'm pretty optimistic (moreso for February) although I can't imagine we'll get any new character dlc announcements until Mewtwo is released.

 

[PSIBoy]

I could see ICs returning as DLC specifically for the Wii U and New 3DS. It'd be a bit of a scummy move, but what with technical limitations, Nintendo wanting to incentivize purchasing the New 3DS, and them probably being near complete (at least on the Wii U), it wouldn't surprise me if it happened.

But would 8 player Smash be able to support ICs? Sakurai did say that they only barely managed to get it to work.

 

[N3ON]

But would 8 player Smash be able to support ICs? Sakurai did say that they only barely managed to get it to work.

He also said the ICs were fully functional on the Wii U, did he not?

I suspect they'd work for 8-player Smash. I don't see why Sakurai would give two other reasons for their omission and not that one if it was a deciding factor. But it's not like I can do more than guess.

 

[Diddy Kong]

1 player can use Ice Climbers max? Or something stupid. It's not impossible, but am sill not excited about their return.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

What do you think our chances are of seeing Mewtwo footage in the next direct? (January/February)

I'm pretty optimistic (moreso for February) although I can't imagine we'll get any new character dlc announcements until Mewtwo is released.

I thought there would be a direct this month, but I don't know, Mewtwo's in the early stages of development.

 

[PSIBoy]

He also said the ICs were fully functional on the Wii U, did he not?

I suspect they'd work for 8-player Smash. I don't see why Sakurai would give two other reasons for their omission and not that one if it was a deciding factor. But it's not like I can do more than guess.

But he never specified whether they did work on eight player or not. I got the impression it was barely able to work with 8 Olimars.

 

[N3ON]

But he never specified whether they did work on eight player or not. I got the impression it was barely able to work with 8 Olimars.

That doesn't mean they weren't able to work. It's possible, but like I said, I don't see why Sakurai would divulge two other reasons and not include this one too if it truly was a factor. What does he have to gain by omitting it?

It's not like we're going to come to an informed conclusion though. At least not unless the ICs do wind up as DLC down the line somehow.

 

[PSIBoy]

That doesn't mean they weren't able to work. It's possible, but like I said, I don't see why Sakurai would divulge two other reasons and not include this one too if it truly was a factor. What does he have to gain by omitting it?

It's not like we're going to come to an informed conclusion though. At least not unless the ICs do wind up as DLC down the line somehow.

I doubt they would be able to work, but perhaps. I doubt that they will happen, but maybe. I hope they're DLC too, but I doubt it.