Character Discussion Thread

[False Sense]

Aren't videos generally frowned upon in this thread?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Aren't videos generally frowned upon in this thread?

They are.


Do not post any more videos here. This thread has a bad history with them.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

They are.


Do not post any more videos here. This thread has a bad history with them.

What happened?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What happened?

People spammed videos relentlessly. Often to the point where the video didn't even relate to anything.

It was the Social Thread 2.0 before 2.0.

 

[Chandeelure]

Social Thread 2.0

That sounds like the rumours and leaks group XD

 

[Deleted member]

The Pokemon theme is pushing it

That's the Johto Battle Theme. Which was heavily tied to Pichu in Melee.

Dr. Mario technically was playable in brawl, he just wasn't wearing his coat.

I'm going to pretend you didn't just say that and lose all reason for me to take you seriously, ok?

Songs do matter in a sense of how they make you feel, when I hear the Star Wolf theme, I feel depressed that an awesome song is in,but my favorite character, that's also associated with this song isn't in, just look at the comments sections on the youtube videos of those songs, people are either saying something like Wolf shouldn't have been cut, or quote the Star Wolf team,but I mostly see them discussing Wolf's exclusion more and questioning it, then wanting him back as DLC, same thing could be said for music associated to other cut characters. Point is the songs may not hint at any inclusions,but they are a big deal, songs can trigger emotions, the most common emotion that people display when they hear a song associated with a cut character is sadness and depression. Not everyone feels this way,but the music does matter.

Maybe the music wasn't intentionally being a **** to Wolf fans,but some like myself feel that way when we hear the song and it plays with our emotions. Plus the remix does sound a bit more depressing now that Wolf isn't in, though that's just one part of the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainOUt6gjeM
It feels like a struggle, starts out with disbelief, then goes into sadness and depression, then anger and struggle take place when it shifts to sector Z (fans wanting Wolf for DLC), when it begins to loop back around they push hard, harder and harder being heard more and more, then just before it loops, Wolf jumps out of his Wolfen, claws outstretched, heading right for Sakurai, then the song loops.

......you are way too emotional over the song, dude. The only reason you feel this....hippie-esque spiritual connection for the lack of a better word is because you allow yourself to feel this way. There's being disappointed and/or sad that Wolf is gone, and then there's letting it take control of you.

Take a listen to this song, what emotions do you feel when you hear this, it was much more enjoyable before Wolf's exclusion.

I feel like bobbing my head back and forth like Quagmire over the beat. Because I'm not throwing a pity party for myself over Wolf's removal in my head or obsessing over the fact Wolf is gone.
Just like how I was able to sing the Dr. Mario w/Lyrics song and make Dr. Mario jokes or listen to Mewtwo-associated music and see Mewtwo-related media without turning into Bill Dauterive over both my Melee main and my Melee secondary not being in Brawl.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

That's the Johto Battle Theme. Which was heavily tied to Pichu in Melee.

I'm going to pretend you didn't just say that and lose all reason for me to take you seriously, ok?


......you are way too emotional over the song, dude. The only reason you feel this....hippie-esque spiritual connection for the lack of a better word is because you allow yourself to feel this way. There's being disappointed and/or sad that Wolf is gone, and then there's letting it take control of you.


I feel like bobbing my head back and forth like Quagmire over the beat. Because I'm not throwing a pity party for myself over Wolf's removal in my head or obsessing over the fact Wolf is gone.
Just like how I was able to sing the Dr. Mario w/Lyrics song and make Dr. Mario jokes or listen to Mewtwo-associated music and see Mewtwo-related media without turning into Bill Dauterive over both my Melee main and my Melee secondary not being in Brawl.

Back in brawl, there was no DLC, if your character was cut, that was it, though thankfully for Mewtwo, all he missed was tripping, and he got project M. Here Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS is capable of DLC, so why give up when there's no reason too. Plus there's more in this game than in brawl, and there may not be a project m equivalent to this game. I won't let Sakurai get away with him not including Wolf when he's capable of the task, if he wants a vacation, fine take one,but only if you promise that you won't just abandon smash bros DLC. The waiting game is hard. Also and are the same person, different moveset, but same person. Also Star Fox was never dead, It just didn't have a game on the Wii, and the reason for that was that Miyamoto couldn't get it to work on the Wii so he put it on Wii U, If Star Fox was dead, why was Miyamoto trying to make a Star Fox game on Wii? Metroid had no games on N64 was it considered dead too? Wolf's cut is the most baffling of all the cuts. If his franchise had a future, he was not going to get replaced, he had an original moveset, he's first party, he's a villain, is going to be in a new game in his franchise, and he has a big fanbase, why the cut? Low priority? Time constraints? With the other cuts its more simplified, Snake-third party, Ice Climbers-the weak 3DS, Squirlte/Ivysaur- low priority, other Pokemon characters were higher priority, Lucas-The state of the Earthbound series, low priority, time constraints.
Wolf-???Time constraints? low priority?????? He was also in 643D which is like sm64DS. So he was active in 2011, heck the current voice actors for Fox and Falco(American) are from 64DS, Plus Miyamoto originally wanted it to be a new Star Fox game for 3DS, but didn't have the time. Star Fox was never dead, so that argument goes out the window. F-zero on the other hand, on a hiatus,but not forgotten.

 

[Lilfut]

please calm down

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

The codecs.

That it makes the situation even bleaker than I thought.

It's bad enough that the Lylat Cruise codecs were updated to the Orbital Gate style with Wolf using his Assault model rather than his Smash-original design, but to see that Fox and Falco aren't even using their models from this game and instead using their Brawl models, while Wolf isn't doing the same to match them when the option is present? Kind of adds up to my theory that Wolf was (unfortunately) decided against rather early.

OK I actually went back and compared the codecs, and the ones in smash bros Wii U are different than brawl's. Brawl's shows more of the character's body and isn't in HD, They also updated all the other codec characters to HD. Just look at Leon, now they do look like their brawl artwork at first glance, but they are new models for the codec, they probably aren't as detailed because its an Easter egg, Also

I wouldn't exactly call this a good looking model,its actually kind of ugly. Is it just me or does his mussel look out of place. and does it look a little deformed at the top of his mussel?
Not alot of people are happy about this for obvious reasons. This is a really bad model. even that sprite looks better than the image above. Excuse me while I try and get this image out of my head.

Even Wolf is disgusted at how Sakurai portrayed him in the codecs.
"What the ******* heck is that?"

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

If Sakurai truly believes this will be the last Smash Bros game they might as well add as much DLC as possible.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm done.
I'm just....done.

There's just so much wrong all bunched up that I'm not willing to put any more effort with trying to comprehend. I'm just going to do what I should've done a while back before I start to actually not want Wolf to come back...

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I'm done.
I'm just....done.

There's just so much wrong all bunched up that I'm not willing to put any more effort with trying to comprehend. I'm just going to do what I should've done a while back before I start to actually not want Wolf to come back...

I seriously did check the codec models, they are from smash u, just look at Fox's trophy on the Wii U, it looks really similar.

 

[AEMehr]

I seriously did check the codec models, they are from smash u, just look at Fox's trophy on the Wii U, it looks really similar.

Similar design =/= same model.

Lylat Cruise uses Brawl's models for Falco and Fox, the rest use assault's models.

 

[Curious Villager]

If I may ask a question regarding cut characters.

If a character you like where to be cut for whatever reason, what would you rather like the developers to do at least in terms of the full game? (Before DLC and all that stuff): Having a lot of things related to them getting whiped clean or at least seeing a few friendly nods thrown around for them?

Hopefully I asked this question right......

 

[Kenith]

If I may ask a question regarding cut characters.
If a character you like where to be cut for whatever reason, what would you rather like the developers to do at least in terms of the full game? (Before DLC and all that stuff): Having a lot of things related to them getting whiped clean or at least seeing a few friendly nods thrown around for them?
Hopefully I asked this question right......

So what you're asking is...
If I liked Wolf, would I prefer Fox didn't get one of his moves, and his theme song and trophy were removed?
I probably would not care. If I cared about Wolf, how he's represented in the game doesn't matter to me if he is not playable regardless.

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm just asking because I've seen some people being upset that certain cut characters either didn't get all that many references to them, whereas others where upset that there where to many (Or at least something along those lines) So I was just wondering how some people would prefer seeing their cut characters being handled (before DLC and all.)

Come to think of it, I guess this doesn't necessary just apply to cut veterans but can also apply for any other potential newcomers who didn't make it that people wanted, oh well....

 

[Kenith]

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Come to think of it, I guess this doesn't necessary just apply to cut veterans but can also apply for any other potential newcomers who didn't make it that people wanted, oh well....

Well in that case, absolutely would I have preferred that. I really don't like Assist Trophies in general (too game-changing and also an outlet for Sakurai to crush everyone's dreams horribly)...

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah I've heard that for many people, getting Assist Trophie'd (Or Pokeball'd for the Pokemon characters) is more or less the last thing they want to see their characters getting turned into, especially for the veterans. (Which is very understandable)

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Aren't videos generally frowned upon in this thread?

Why?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Anyone else play giant Smash as Samus on Pyrosphere to see how Ridley might look like compared to Samus if shrunk down to be playable?

 

[JamesDNaux]

If I may ask a question regarding cut characters.

If a character you like where to be cut for whatever reason, what would you rather like the developers to do at least in terms of the full game? (Before DLC and all that stuff): Having a lot of things related to them getting whiped clean or at least seeing a few friendly nods thrown around for them?

Hopefully I asked this question right......

Well, every trace of Snake and the Metal Gear franchise being wiped is kind of depressing. But it is a third party franchise.

The only thing to hope for is DLC, in that regard.

 

[OdangoKnight]

Anyone else play giant Smash as Samus on Pyrosphere to see how Ridley might look like compared to Samus if shrunk down to be playable?

All the time.

 

[Kalimdori]

All the time.

Imagine if this was the first look we ever got of Ridley... No explanation, just this picture.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Yeah I've heard that for many people, getting Assist Trophie'd (Or Pokeball'd for the Pokemon characters) is more or less the last thing they want to see their characters getting turned into, especially for the veterans. (Which is very understandable)

That's more or less my thought process. The hierarchy of character status (for me at least) goes like this:

Playable>Regular trophy>Assist trophy>>>>>>>>Stage element.

 

[OdangoKnight]

Imagine if this was the first look we ever got of Ridley... No explanation, just this picture.

Or something like this with Falcons reveal.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Anyone else play giant Smash as Samus on Pyrosphere to see how Ridley might look like compared to Samus if shrunk down to be playable?

All the time.

Or something like this with Falcons reveal.

Uh why wasn't Ridley playable again Sakurai?Because size is obvoiously not the problem, Ridley looks just fine and is still bigger than the other characters.

 

[Lilfut]

I don't think being an Assist Trophy kills a character's chances - just look at Little Mac. I think it just means that they never planned to put the character in the roster, but decided to acknowledge them in another way.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I don't think being an Assist Trophy kills a character's chances - just look at Little Mac. I think it just means that they never planned to put the character in the roster, but decided to acknowledge them in another way.

I think what they mean is that if a character is an assist trophy in this game, they won't be DLC for this game, but the next game
they've got a shot. Little mac wasn't playable when he was an assist trophy in brawl, now that he's playable he's not an assist trophy, though I guess you could argue that some assist trophies could be turned off, I really want Waluigi and Dillon,they were actually my top 2 most wanted, but if they're ineligible to be DLC I've gotten over them. As long as I have
I won't care if none of my most wanted newcomers get in,but in case you're wondering, Sami for DLC, Pious for DLC, and of course Wolf for DLC.

 

[Lilfut]

Personally I don't think assist trophies hurt characters' DLC chances. You could just add some glowy effect to the ATs if they're summoned while a playable version of the same character is on the field.

 

[Kalimdori]

Personally I don't think assist trophies hurt characters' DLC chances. You could just add some glowy effect to the ATs if they're summoned while a playable version of the same character is on the field.

I dont think that's even necessary, the Dark Samus AT and the Dark Samus palette swap are near identical, but nothing special happens when both are on the field.

 

[False Sense]

If I may ask a question regarding cut characters.

If a character you like where to be cut for whatever reason, what would you rather like the developers to do at least in terms of the full game? (Before DLC and all that stuff): Having a lot of things related to them getting whiped clean or at least seeing a few friendly nods thrown around for them?

Hopefully I asked this question right......

I'm just asking because I've seen some people being upset that certain cut characters either didn't get all that many references to them, whereas others where upset that there where to many (Or at least something along those lines) So I was just wondering how some people would prefer seeing their cut characters being handled (before DLC and all.)

Come to think of it, I guess this doesn't necessary just apply to cut veterans but can also apply for any other potential newcomers who didn't make it that people wanted, oh well....

As you said, this applies to basically any non-playable character.

Personally, I like seeing characters at least get acknowledged in the game. Sure, it means that the chances of them possibly being potential DLC are significantly lowered, if not killed off, but I appreciate that these important characters, while not playable for one reason or another, are still recognized as important characters within this celebration of Nintendo's history.

Of course, I understand that for many, anything that gets in the way of a character being playable is a punch to the gut (Ridley and Chrom fans got hit hard with that). I get that sentiment, but I wish people wouldn't look at these situations in an entirely negative light.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Uh why wasn't Ridley playable again Sakurai?Because size is obvoiously not the problem, Ridley looks just fine and is still bigger than the other characters.

Accually he said he coldent shrink ridley due to ruining his charactics (smaller model make him not feel the same) and that it would require so much balancing it would crash the game everytime

But yea once again if ridley was playable his size in smash 4 is about a super mushroomed ridley unfortunately

Well sakurai may be retiring smash 4 so maybe the new director (possibly) will see ridley can be sized down for playable

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Accually he said he coldent shrink ridley due to ruining his charactics (smaller model make him not feel the same) and that it would require so much balancing it would crash the game everytime

But yea once again if ridley was playable his size in smash 4 is about a super mushroomed ridley unfortunately

Well sakurai may be retiring smash 4 so maybe the new director (possibly) will see ridley can be sized down for playable

He didn't say that he said he wasn't playable because shrinking his size would not be loyal to his original design, nothing about the game crashing or balancing. Where did you hear that?

 

[Kenith]

Personally I don't think assist trophies hurt characters' DLC chances. You could just add some glowy effect to the ATs if they're summoned while a playable version of the same character is on the field.

Finally!
Thank you.
Really, giving them a glow or making the Assist Trophy a silohette isn't even needed. They could simply make that Assist Trophy not appear while the character is in use; it wouldn't be remotely noticeable because

A) Assist Trophies are randomly selected from around 50 choices (I played ten matches, for example, with nothing but ATs and never got Ghirahim)
B) Nobody uses items anyway (esp. on For Glory)

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

He didn't say that he said he wasn't playable because shrinking his size would not be loyal to his original design, nothing about the game crashing or balancing. Where did you hear that?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/19/why-ridley-isnt-playable-in-smash-bros

Plain and simple by the man himself Sakurai

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Finally!
Thank you.
Really, giving them a glow or making the Assist Trophy a silohette isn't even needed. They could simply make that Assist Trophy not appear while the character is in use; it wouldn't be remotely noticeable because

A) Assist Trophies are randomly selected from around 50 choices (I played ten matches, for example, with nothing but ATs and never got Ghirahim)
B) Nobody uses items anyway (esp. on For Glory)

If anything ATs help a characters chances. Shows they are being noticed
No Issac AT has me wondering though....

 

[Freduardo]

If anything ATs help a characters chances. Shows they are being noticed
No Issac AT has me wondering though....

Yeah! And the Little Mac assist trophy is gone too! I think that character's an amiibo now.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Yeah! And the Little Mac assist trophy is gone too! I think that character's an amiibo now.

If anything, the lack of a Punch Out Assist Trophy (King Hippo or Bald Bull) was pretty disturbing.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/19/why-ridley-isnt-playable-in-smash-bros

Plain and simple by the man himself Sakurai

You're reading that way out of context he's not saying shrinking him will break the balance he's saying if he doesn't shrink him he'll break the balance. He thinks that his shrinking him down would not be loyal to the character thus if he wanted to add him he'll be huge which would break the balance and game. It is so stupid to not add him because of "accurate portrayal" no matter how you look at it.

 

[Deleted member]

I can understand what Sakurai's getting at with changing Ridley too much in order to keep him balanced making him not feel like Ridley anymore, but at the same time, I feel that some exceptions could be made for the sake of pleasing the fans.

Or...instead of "changing" what's pre-existing, just re-invent the concept from scratch for the purposes of Smash.

Such as making "Smash Ridley" along the lines of this with a tail:

(I swear I used to have an image saved where he was purple and had Ridley's tail....)

...and use his original NES appearance as justification.

Hell, it can literally be a character created for Smash dubbed "Fake Ridley" after the unused Fake Ridley from the original Metroid.
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Fake_Ridley
Given how Fake Kraid/Mini-Kraid served as the scaled down counterpart to the real Kraid in Super Metroid.....