Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Then why? If Sakurai said he didn't want to vut alot of characters, why cut someone like Wolf early on? Sanke's understandable, and to some extent Squirtle and Ivysaur, and if you push it Gematsu claimed Lucas was cut. Ice Climbers were cut late in development... Or the theory could be turned around, since Wolf's model is different, it could signify a late cut, to hide Wolf's smash look. (Every other character uses an HD version of their brawl look.) I don't think it takes that long to make a model like that, plus they probably did it in the same time it took to remove Ice Climbers, plus Wolf will be in the new Star Fox game, He was a highly requested pre melee character, so why cut him?
There is literally no good reason why Wolf can't come back as DLC. Even if he's the only other one besides Mewtwo. Mewtwo and Wolf at a borderline minimum should be the bare minimum for character DLC, that way all the antagonistic veteran villains come back. Just asking for Wolf after Mewtwo isn't alot if he was a late cut, most of his data will already be there, and even if he was an early cut( which I HIGHLY doubt, but if true, will have someone smack Sakurai across the face for that decision) he can still port some data from brawl. If Wolf was a late cut, then he pretty much has to be DLC, with all that work done, it should be pretty easy to finish him up.

1. Sakurai explained right from the beginning that not everyone from previous Smash titles would return. Now, we can sit here and give points about why Wolf is great and shouldn't have been cut until our fingers are nothing but bone, but let's get into potential reasoning that prevented his return:
-He was low-priority for Brawl. So low in fact that he barely squeaked in at the last minute into the game (after the late addition to the roster Sonic, even). Essentially he was meant to be filler from the start, like Toon Zelda, who didn’t make it.
-While having more differences to Fox than Falco (though he initially was much closer to Fox until Sakurai gave him claws to have him stand out), he's still the second Fox-derivative character within the same game. That fact in itself makes him somewhat of a bigger target for the chopping block than most clones/semi-clones.
-In addition to the previous point, Sakurai seemed to have been on a quality control with the roster this time around, as the only new clones/semi-clones added (and Dr. Mario) were extremely situational outcomes (planned alts separated later in development due to gameplay tweaks) and the only ones returning from Brawl were Luigi, Ganondorf, Falco, and Toon Link, all major in their own right.
-Star Fox was practically a "dead" franchise when the roster was being decided in 2012 (things may have been different if Miyamoto's project was being worked on sooner), with only a remake to its name since Brawl. Sakurai stated after the 3DS game was released that characters from franchises with no forseeable future were lower priority. Much like how this most likely affected Lucas in the sense that only one Mother boy was staying, this most likely affected Wolf in the same way between him and Falco (with Falco edging out for the above reasons).
2. What point would there be to hide Wolf's Smash look? We've got the Ice Climbers, Pokémon Trainer, and Lucas all using their Brawl models for their trophies. And, since Fox and Falco use their Brawl models on the codecs, Wolf could've very well used his regardless of whether he was playable or not. But no, he uses his Assault model like the rest of the Star Fox characters now. Almost as if it's because he wasn't going to return.
3. Why would it even get to the point where Sakurai would even need to cut Wolf late in the first place? That would mean Wolf was low-priority of a character (compared to other reasoning like Ice Climbers and Snake), bringing us right back to square 1.
4. Wolf was not highly-requested pre-Melee. It wasn't until pre-Brawl that he became reasonably requested and that was because his popularity didn't really hit off until Assault. In fact, of the Star Fox characters, Wolf was behind Falco and Slippy on Sakurai's pre-Melee poll.

Should Wolf be back? Absolutely.
But things are not looking favorable for him, sadly.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Should Wolf be back? Absolutely.
But things are not looking favorable for him, sadly.

To be perfectly fair though. You self-admittedly are pessimistic when it comes to DLC.

Heck, you thought Mewtwo (and everything really) wasn't going to happen.

Perhaps, you're being too pessimistic bud.

 

[Kenith]

Yah, Wolf is probably the only character I consider a "lock" if there is content beyond Mewtwo.
Of the cut vets, of course.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Nobody.
We were already told Mewtwo is it for right now. We could only get an update on Mewtwo's progress, but I find it more likely that we would first see gameplay of him around late january / february. For something so soon, maybe an image or two if we're lucky.

But if we get anything, it's going to be a small update on Mewtwo. I expect no Smash news past him until E3 (and that is only if DLC continues to be a thing).

Quoted for mother****ing truth.

 

[Arcadenik]

To be perfectly fair though. You self-admittedly are pessimistic when it comes to DLC.

Heck, you thought Mewtwo (and everything really) wasn't going to happen.

Perhaps, you're being too pessimistic bud.

I think he is just being realistic.

Being pessimistic would be always seeing the worst of everything... and that is not GoldenYuiitusin... no, that would be MagnesD3 and D-idara after the ESRB leaks... and to a certain extent, ChronoBound after we saw the first Pyrosphere picture.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think he is just being realistic.

Being pessimistic would be always seeing the worst of everything... and that is not GoldenYuiitusin... no, that would be MagnesD3 and D-idara after the ESRB leaks... and to a certain extent, ChronoBound after we saw the first Pyrosphere picture.

Except that isn't pessimistic at all.

That's another thing entirely.

 

[Deleted member]

To be perfectly fair though. You self-admittedly are pessimistic when it comes to DLC.

Heck, you thought Mewtwo (and everything really) wasn't going to happen.

Perhaps, you're being too pessimistic bud.

That may be true, but I was actually quite optimistic for Wolf once Mewtwo was announced (really, Wolf was one of the only ones I was "sure" about other than "DK Rep" [/bkuppa]). ......then I saw that Lylat Cruise updated to match Orbital Gate with Wolf reverting to his Assault model instead of having his Smash design.
.....and then I learned that the new codec style uses Fox's and Falco's Brawl models, leaving the change in model for Wolf to be rather questionable.

And now I've lost all optimism for Wolf.

I think he is just being realistic.

Being pessimistic would be always seeing the worst of everything... and that is not GoldenYuiitusin... no, that would be MagnesD3 and D-idara after the ESRB leaks... and to a certain extent, ChronoBound after we saw the first Pyrosphere picture.

Eh, I guess "despairing" may be the better word to use.
I keep forgetting being pessimistic means more than just "not optimistic".

 

[vaanrose]

That may be true, but I was actually quite optimistic for Wolf once Mewtwo was announced (really, Wolf was one of the only ones I was "sure" about other than "DK Rep" [/bkuppa]). ......then I saw that Lylat Cruise updated to match Orbital Gate with Wolf reverting to his Assault model instead of having his Smash design.
.....and then I learned that the new codec style uses Fox's and Falco's Brawl models, leaving the change in model for Wolf to be rather questionable.

And now I've lost all optimism for Wolf.

I don't think Wolf's assault model necessarily changes much when it comes to DLC. I do, however, think it cements Wolf as an early, early cut.

Early in production, it's likely that all of the returning Brawl vets were still using their Brawl models, as placeholders. This allows the programming team to jump right into things, without waiting on the art team. This means that Fox and Falco had their Brawl models ported over, and likely tweaked to fit the new development pipeline. In this scenario, Wolf was never ported over, as he was cut from the beginning.

So when it comes time to prepare the Lylat Cruise codecs, the team already has access to Fox and Falco, but not Wolf. Now, I don't fully understand why the team would have access to Wolf's Assault model but not his Brawl model, but it was the Assault model that was used for Wolf's trophy, so maybe that had something to do with it.

Eventually, Fox and Falco would get new, finalized models, but I have no explanation for why they wouldn't switch over to using them for the codecs.

I am of the opinion that when it was decided to cut Wolf doesn't really affect his chances of coming back as DLC. Cut characters are still the most obvious thing you think of when it comes time to decide DLC, even if they were the most expendable part of the cast when you decided to cut them.

 

[Frostwraith]

@GoldenYuiitusin I don't expect you to agree with this, but I will raise this interesting point:
- You said Lucas, Pokémon Trainer and Ice Climbers used their Brawl models (remastered in HD for the Wii U version). That is fact.
- Wolf uses his Assault model. Fact #2.
- Do you know who else use models from their own series instead of their Smash models? Squirtle and Ivysaur.

What does this lead me to conclude: characters who hadn't got models outside of the Smash series, keep their Smash models, while characters who have models from their own games have those models in Smash 4. In other words, preference is given to non-Smash models.

Just food for thought.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think Wolf's assault model necessarily changes much when it comes to DLC. I do, however, think it cements Wolf as an early, early cut.

Early in production, it's likely that all of the returning Brawl vets were still using their Brawl models, as placeholders. This allows the programming team to jump right into things, without waiting on the art team. This means that Fox and Falco had their Brawl models ported over, and likely tweaked to fit the new development pipeline. In this scenario, Wolf was never ported over, as he was cut from the beginning.

So when it comes time to prepare the Lylat Cruise codecs, the team already has access to Fox and Falco, but not Wolf. Now, I don't fully understand why the team would have access to Wolf's Assault model but not his Brawl model, but it was the Assault model that was used for Wolf's trophy, so maybe that had something to do with it.

Eventually, Fox and Falco would get new, finalized models, but I have no explanation for why they wouldn't switch over to using them for the codecs.

I am of the opinion that when it was decided to cut Wolf doesn't really affect his chances of coming back as DLC. Cut characters are still the most obvious thing you think of when it comes time to decide DLC, even if they were the most expendable part of the cast when you decided to cut them.

Reasonable, though if I'm not mistaken, weren't the veterans made from scratch while Brawl's character data was used for reference point only?

As for why Fox and Falco would use their Brawl models instead of upgrading to the Wii U models, something I theorize as an explanation is that it's because aesthetically, the details in the Brawl models complement the Assault models of the other characters than the Wii U models do with their grittier, faded-palette, not as HD aesthetic.

@GoldenYuiitusin I don't expect you to agree with this, but I will raise this interesting point:
- You said Lucas, Pokémon Trainer and Ice Climbers used their Brawl models (remastered in HD for the Wii U version). That is fact.
- Wolf uses his Assault model. Fact #2.
- Do you know who else use models from their own series instead of their Smash models? Squirtle and Ivysaur.

What does this lead me to conclude: characters who hadn't got models outside of the Smash series, keep their Smash models, while characters who have models from their own games have those models in Smash 4. In other words, preference is given to non-Smash models.

Just food for thought.

I didn't think of this. That actually makes a lot of sense.
Though it doesn't explain (at least from what I see) why in a non-trophy setting, Wolf wouldn't be made to match Fox and Falco when the option was present for all three to use the same outdated models.

 

[Frostwraith]

I didn't think of this. That actually makes a lot of sense.
Though it doesn't explain (at least from what I see) why in a non-trophy setting, Wolf wouldn't be made to match Fox and Falco when the option was present for all three to use the same outdated models.

Notice how all NPCs use their Assault models while playable characters use their Smash models?

In Brawl:
Fox, Falco, Wolf = Playable = Smash model
Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, Leon, Panther = NPC = Assault model

In Smash 4:
Fox, Falco = Playable = Smash model
Wolf, Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, Leon, Panther = NPC = Assault model

Seems very consistent to me. All other non-playable Star Fox characters use their Assault models in the trophies as well.

I'd imagine if Falco was cut instead of Wolf, he'd been given the Assault model for the conversations.

If Wolf was planned at one point (it doesn't matter if it was earlier or later), it wouldn't be too hard to replace the models.

It seems to me that Smash has a tendency to avoid alluding to previous fighters in trophies (even Brawl had this with Pichu or Mewtwo's trophies), with the notable exception of Pokémon Trainer. Though Wolf's playable status is actually (not-so-)subtly referenced as a custom move for Fox... Seems fishy to me.

 

[False Sense]

It seems to me that Smash has a tendency to avoid alluding to previous fighters in trophies (even Brawl had this with Pichu or Mewtwo's trophies), with the notable exception of Pokémon Trainer.

Well, the Pokemon Trainer trophy already breaks several boundaries by outright referencing the anime, as well, so perhaps alluding to his (semi) playable status in Brawl wasn't much of a stretch after that. It's a really weird trophy, when you think about it.

 

[AEMehr]

Notice how all NPCs use their Assault models while playable characters use their Smash models?

In Brawl:
Fox, Falco, Wolf = Playable = Smash model
Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, Leon, Panther = NPC = Assault model

In Smash 4:
Fox, Falco = Playable = Smash model
Wolf, Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, Leon, Panther = NPC = Assault model

Seems very consistent to me. All other non-playable Star Fox characters use their Assault models in the trophies as well.

I'd imagine if Falco was cut instead of Wolf, he'd been given the Assault model for the conversations.

If Wolf was planned at one point (it doesn't matter if it was earlier or later), it wouldn't be too hard to replace the models.

It seems to me that Smash has a tendency to avoid alluding to previous fighters in trophies (even Brawl had this with Pichu or Mewtwo's trophies), with the notable exception of Pokémon Trainer. Though Wolf's playable status is actually (not-so-)subtly referenced as a custom move for Fox... Seems fishy to me.

But Lucas and the Ice Climbers use their Brawl Models too.

 

[Frostwraith]

But Lucas and the Ice Climbers use their Brawl Models too.

Read my previous post...

@GoldenYuiitusin I don't expect you to agree with this, but I will raise this interesting point:
- You said Lucas, Pokémon Trainer and Ice Climbers used their Brawl models (remastered in HD for the Wii U version). That is fact.
- Wolf uses his Assault model. Fact #2.
- Do you know who else use models from their own series instead of their Smash models? Squirtle and Ivysaur.

What does this lead me to conclude: characters who hadn't got models outside of the Smash series, keep their Smash models, while characters who have models from their own games have those models in Smash 4. In other words, preference is given to non-Smash models.

Just food for thought.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I don't think Wolf's assault model necessarily changes much when it comes to DLC. I do, however, think it cements Wolf as an early, early cut.

Early in production, it's likely that all of the returning Brawl vets were still using their Brawl models, as placeholders. This allows the programming team to jump right into things, without waiting on the art team. This means that Fox and Falco had their Brawl models ported over, and likely tweaked to fit the new development pipeline. In this scenario, Wolf was never ported over, as he was cut from the beginning.

So when it comes time to prepare the Lylat Cruise codecs, the team already has access to Fox and Falco, but not Wolf. Now, I don't fully understand why the team would have access to Wolf's Assault model but not his Brawl model, but it was the Assault model that was used for Wolf's trophy, so maybe that had something to do with it.

Eventually, Fox and Falco would get new, finalized models, but I have no explanation for why they wouldn't switch over to using them for the codecs.

I am of the opinion that when it was decided to cut Wolf doesn't really affect his chances of coming back as DLC. Cut characters are still the most obvious thing you think of when it comes time to decide DLC, even if they were the most expendable part of the cast when you decided to cut them.

If Wolf was a very early cut, than Sakurai needs to get his head checked, the only 2 characters in smash history to have signs of being cut early on are, Why would he cut Wolf early on then at E3 2013 say that he doesn't want to cut characters, and will apologize if they have to. Plus if he cut Wolf that early, then he willingly put the Star Wolf theme on Corneria, knowing that Wolf was cut, and gave Fox a custom move Wolf Flash, and then didn't even give Star Fox a new rep. Reducing it in reps early on. Also why take out a villain that early on? Plus he said that he hates cutting characters because each one has a fanbase, so why would he just cut a character that early and make that statement when he's already cut a character. Plus he said they'd try to bring back every character playable in Smash Bros. The only early on cut I could see is for obvious reasons, and even then maybe negotiations were still going on by E3 2013. and I have no clue about, my guess is that they were cut post E3 2013.

That may be true, but I was actually quite optimistic for Wolf once Mewtwo was announced (really, Wolf was one of the only ones I was "sure" about other than "DK Rep" [/bkuppa]). ......then I saw that Lylat Cruise updated to match Orbital Gate with Wolf reverting to his Assault model instead of having his Smash design.
.....and then I learned that the new codec style uses Fox's and Falco's Brawl models, leaving the change in model for Wolf to be rather questionable.

And now I've lost all optimism for Wolf.


Eh, I guess "despairing" may be the better word to use.
I keep forgetting being pessimistic means more than just "not optimistic".

What if Wolf was planned and his brawl look was in the codec,but he couldn't be finished in time, Sakurai changes the model by basing it off a trophy of Wolf(assault). The codec actually hints at Wolf being playable, that already is enough to get some people mad. Plus I'm pretty sure Fox and Falco have the same looks from brawl, except now they're HD.
Wolf can easily come back as DLC late cut or not. The main point is Wolf is now in high demand, because of his exclusion, as fans we should show our support for Wolf coming back (and even if you hate him, you can use him as your punching bag in Smash 4 and fight against him) If Sakurai sees the overwhelming want for Wolf, he'll add him back in as DLC.
WOLF FOR DLC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lilfut]

The Star Fox theme means nothing. Whether Wolf is playable or not, the Star Wolf theme is one of the most iconic and beloved pieces of music from Star Fox.

 

[Deleted member]

Notice how all NPCs use their Assault models while playable characters use their Smash models?

In Brawl:
Fox, Falco, Wolf = Playable = Smash model
Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, Leon, Panther = NPC = Assault model

In Smash 4:
Fox, Falco = Playable = Smash model
Wolf, Slippy, Peppy, Krystal, Leon, Panther = NPC = Assault model

Seems very consistent to me. All other non-playable Star Fox characters use their Assault models in the trophies as well.

I'd imagine if Falco were cut instead of Wolf, he'd been given the Assault model for the conversations.

If Wolf was planned at one point (it doesn't matter if it was earlier or later), it wouldn't be too hard to replace the models.

....I've got nothing. This makes too much sense. 0_o

It seems to me that Smash has a tendency to avoid alluding to previous fighters in trophies (even Brawl had this with Pichu or Mewtwo's trophies), with the notable exception of Pokémon Trainer. Though Wolf's playable status is actually (not-so-)subtly referenced as a custom move for Fox... Seems fishy to me.

To be fair, we've got each of Lucas' versions of Ness' specials as custom options as well as Young Link's Fire Bow for Toon Link.
While yes, none of those moves reference the other characters by name, it should be noted that "Wolf Flash" is the only one that is named after the character it comes from outside customs as well. Lucas' PK Fire, PK Thunder, and PSI Magnet were under the same name as Ness' and had to be given new names, hence "PK Fire Burst", "Lasting PK Thunder", and "Forward PSI Magnet" based on their functions. "Wolf Flash" literally turns Fox Illusion into Wolf Flash.

 

[Morbi]

The Star Fox theme means nothing. Whether Wolf is playable or not, the Star Wolf theme is one of the most iconic and beloved pieces of music from Star Fox.

The Star Wolf theme is one of the most iconic and beloved pieces of music from Nintendo in general. I would not read too far into its presence.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

The Star Fox theme means nothing. Whether Wolf is playable or not, the Star Wolf theme is one of the most iconic and beloved pieces of music from Star Fox.

It really isn't Star Wolf's theme without Star Wolf himself. Plus why make it the alt song on Corneria? Why not Area 6 or Venom, did he want more people to hear it, and remember Wolf isn't in? There's no excuse for Fox's Wolf flash though, did he want to make us upset? sheesh just add Wolf back in already, you'll get alot more sleep and be less stressed, as will many fans as well.

 

[JaidynReiman]

The Star Fox theme means nothing. Whether Wolf is playable or not, the Star Wolf theme is one of the most iconic and beloved pieces of music from Star Fox.

Saria's Song is one of the most recurring songs in the Zelda series, and has appeared in every Smash game since Melee (secondary song in Great Bay, part of the "Ocarina of Time Medley" in Brawl, and gets its own special remix in Smash U). Yeah, Star Wolf theme being in the game doesn't mean anything. Heck, Ashley's Theme got remixes in both Brawl and Smash U, too (well, the V2 theme was Japan-only for some reason).

 

[Deleted member]

Same reason we got these songs in Brawl:

Spoiler

despite being associated with characters that were axed; they're just songs.

Oh, and the Ice Climber theme and Icicle Mountain theme in Wii U despite Ice Climbers being gone. And the Mother 3 songs.
Songs mean nothing.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

The problem with the Star Wolf theme is that is was introduced to smash bros alongside Wolf, but 3 remixes of the theme are in this game, but Wolf isn't(yet) I don't think that's ever happened in a smash bros before, the theme is bad***,but its only at its most bad*** when Wolf is in play. The other stuff related to Wolf in the game, not so excusable. Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS is superior to brawl in every way (except not having Wolf yet, as well as other characters) so that's why its really bad when a character doesn't make the cut. Why don't we just get a petition for Wolf to be DLC for Super Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS (and some for the other cut characters) He's the only cut that makes no sense whatsoever, and people express this, LOTS OF PEOPLE.We viciously debate about why he isn't in and why he's going to be DLC so much that why not put our sufferings at ease and officially confirm Wolf DLC. To insure this we should support him(as well as other cut veterans) so Sakurai does add them in as DLC.
Found this, https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...t-to-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds#share
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...-for-super-smash-brothers-wii-u-and-3ds#share
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...-and-if-technically-possible-3ds-as-dlc#share
Sakurai can end the suffering of cut characters with DLC, We must show that we want more DLC and will support more DLC.
WOLF FOR DLC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Frostwraith]

The problem with the Star Wolf theme is that is was introduced to smash bros alongside Wolf, but 3 remixes of the theme are in this game, but Wolf isn't(yet) I don't think that's ever happened in a smash bros before, the theme is bad***,but its only at its most bad*** when Wolf is in play. The other stuff related to Wolf in the game, not so excusable. Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS is superior to brawl in every way (except not having Wolf yet, as well as other characters) so that's why its really bad when a character doesn't make the cut. Why don't we just get a petition for Wolf to be DLC for Super Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS (and some for the other cut characters) He's the only cut that makes no sense whatsoever, and people express this, LOTS OF PEOPLE.We viciously debate about why he isn't in and why he's going to be DLC so much that why not put our sufferings at ease and officially confirm Wolf DLC. To insure this we should support him(as well as other cut veterans) so Sakurai does add them in as DLC.
Found this, https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...t-to-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds#share
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...-for-super-smash-brothers-wii-u-and-3ds#share
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...-and-if-technically-possible-3ds-as-dlc#share
Sakurai can end the suffering of cut characters with DLC, We must show that we want more DLC and will support more DLC.
WOLF FOR DLC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Protip: That sort of petitions never work.

Nintendo has even stated they don't listen to such petitions.

I want cut veterans as much as you and other people do, but if Mewtwo is all there is to character DLC, which may happen, then so be it. There's nothing we can do.

Demand is a factor for possible DLC, that cannot be denied, but there are other factors as well. Factors outside of our control.

 

[Chandeelure]

Found this:
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...t-to-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds#share
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...-for-super-smash-brothers-wii-u-and-3ds#share
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-a...-and-if-technically-possible-3ds-as-dlc#share
!

Reggie confirmed.

Seriously, those things are useless.

 

[Deleted member]

The only "remix" the song got for this game was as half of mix between the Star Wolf theme and the Sector Z theme.
The other two songs (a remix made for Brawl and a port of the Assault version) are ported from Brawl to play on the Lylat Cruise stage exactly as they did in Brawl.
Wolf's theme did not get as much special treatment as you want to act like.

You want to talk a song getting special treatment, look no further than Jungle Hijinx.
It got:
-The remix from Brawl.
-The 2nd remix from Brawl.
-A new Tribal remix.
-A new Jazz remix.
-The Donkey Kong Country Returns version.
-The Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze version.
-The remix from Smash 64.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Protip: That sort of petitions never work.

Nintendo has even stated they don't listen to such petitions.

I want cut veterans as much as you and other people do, but if Mewtwo is all there is to character DLC, which may happen, then so be it. There's nothing we can do.

Demand is a factor for possible DLC, that cannot be denied, but there are other factors as well. Factors outside of our control.

I'd be a bit more upset at Sakurai if he didn't take advantage of DLC, He said he wishes that he didn't have to cut characters, well now DLC is here he can do that, but when he only plans 1 character, it kind of defeats the purpose, sure its good for the DLC character, but why alienate just as deserving characters, brawl wasn't capable of DLC and look how many people wanted Mewtwo back, Smash bros Wii U/3DS is capable of DLC, if Sakurai doesn't bring back the right characters alongside Mewtwo, the fans will be even more upset. Why present a problem you have, then when the perfect solution is offered, you reject it? Why wait for the next smash bros game (if there is one) to add back the cut characters when you can do so now for this game as DLC. We will support it, but first you have to give us something to support. Look at how happy the Mewtwo fans are with DLC, don't you want to bring that joy to Wolf, Lucas, and even Ice Climbers fans Sakurai? If you don't do more character DLC as well as not bring back the cut vets I mentioned earlier, then I'm afraid that I'd want a new director who will do those things. Smash Bros DLC is just TOO BIG (bigger than Ridley at his biggest) to not take advantage of and use ethically.

 

[PSIBoy]

I'd be a bit more upset at Sakurai if he didn't take advantage of DLC, He said he wishes that he didn't have to cut characters, well now DLC is here he can do that, but when he only plans 1 character, it kind of defeats the purpose, sure its good for the DLC character, but why alienate just as deserving characters, brawl wasn't capable of DLC and look how many people wanted Mewtwo back, Smash bros Wii U/3DS is capable of DLC, if Sakurai doesn't bring back the right characters alongside Mewtwo, the fans will be even more upset. Why present a problem you have, then when the perfect solution is offered, you reject it? Why wait for the next smash bros game (if there is one) to add back the cut characters when you can do so now for this game as DLC. We will support it, but first you have to give us something to support. Look at how happy the Mewtwo fans are with DLC, don't you want to bring that joy to Wolf, Lucas, and even Ice Climbers fans Sakurai? If you don't do more character DLC as well as not bring back the cut vets I mentioned earlier, then I'm afraid that I'd want a new director who will do those things. Smash Bros DLC is just TOO BIG (bigger than Ridley at his biggest) to not take advantage of and use ethically.

Only one is planned so far, that doesn't mean that he won't do more. Mewtwo is more of a test run, though I hope more characters will be released alongside him when the time comes. DLC has been very popular with MK8 and other games I belive, so there's no real excuse not to do it for Smash.

 

[Frostwraith]

I'd be a bit more upset at Sakurai if he didn't take advantage of DLC, He said he wishes that he didn't have to cut characters, well now DLC is here he can do that, but when he only plans 1 character, it kind of defeats the purpose, sure its good for the DLC character, but why alienate just as deserving characters, brawl wasn't capable of DLC and look how many people wanted Mewtwo back, Smash bros Wii U/3DS is capable of DLC, if Sakurai doesn't bring back the right characters alongside Mewtwo, the fans will be even more upset. Why present a problem you have, then when the perfect solution is offered, you reject it? Why wait for the next smash bros game (if there is one) to add back the cut characters when you can do so now for this game as DLC. We will support it, but first you have to give us something to support. Look at how happy the Mewtwo fans are with DLC, don't you want to bring that joy to Wolf, Lucas, and even Ice Climbers fans Sakurai? If you don't do more character DLC as well as not bring back the cut vets I mentioned earlier, then I'm afraid that I'd want a new director who will do those things. Smash Bros DLC is just TOO BIG (bigger than Ridley at his biggest) to not take advantage of and use ethically.

>Implying having DLC after churning a crapload of content in one game across two different versions on two different systems isn't a lot of work and a huge investment both financially and in manpower

Of course, DLC would be something that would appeal to a lot of fans and add to the game. Everyone knows that and Sakurai himself has acknowledged that.

However, you can't just snap fingers and make DLC as if by magic. That's not how it works. Designing characters is a ton of work that requires a huge investment. Employees must be paid, people must work in tight schedules.

As Sakurai stated, it's "not to be taken lightly". Yes, it would satisfy fans, but at what cost?

It's all about waiting now. Sakurai is open to the idea. If he had no plans for DLC besides Mewtwo, he would have stated right there. He would have killed any chances to avoid pointless speculation.

For now, it's all in the open, but not guaranteed. Likewise, it's too soon to say Mewtwo will be the only DLC character.

Oh, and a new director won't do any miracles either. The sooner this fanbase drops this fallacy, the better.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Only one is planned so far, that doesn't mean that he won't do more. Mewtwo is more of a test run, though I hope more characters will be released alongside him when the time comes. DLC has been very popular with MK8 and other games I belive, so there's no real excuse not to do it for Smash.

I think I can safely say, that when many people asked for Smash Bros Wii U/ 3DS to have DLC, they meant more than just one character, they meant cut characters, and newcomers. To me its just a taunt if they only do one DLC character and say **** you to the rest of the cut characters. As for a successful campaign, I have the #WOLFBOARDS, and #LUCASBOARDS week long campaign ideas. Got any others?
Plus in all the other games Nintendo's done DLC for they've done good jobs and made the DLC worthwhile, I mean thats how you got Marth Ike and Roy in Awakening, DLC.

>Implying having DLC after churning a crapload of content in one game across two different versions on two different systems isn't a lot of work and a huge investment both financially and in manpower

Of course, DLC would be something that would appeal to a lot of fans and add to the game. Everyone knows that and Sakurai himself has acknowledged that.

However, you can't just snap fingers and make DLC as if by magic. That's not how it works. Designing characters is a ton of work that requires a huge investment. Employees must be paid, people must work in tight schedules.

As Sakurai stated, it's "not to be taken lightly". Yes, it would satisfy fans, but at what cost?

It's all about waiting now. Sakurai is open to the idea. If he had no plans for DLC besides Mewtwo, he would have stated right there. He would have killed any chances to avoid pointless speculation.

For now, it's all in the open, but not guaranteed. Likewise, it's too soon to say Mewtwo will be the only DLC character.

Oh, and a new director won't do any miracles either. The sooner this fanbase drops this fallacy, the better.

The waiting game... is so much harder now. Now instead of waiting for our characters to be confirmed fo the game while it was in development, we are waiting for our characters to be added to the game after its release. I've been on edge since that Wolf trophy was shown off on September 10. Its not like I'm waiting for Wario to be officially confirmed, I'm waiting fo Wolf to be confirmed to be playable in the game as DLC. Wolf being confirmed to be playable will ease my sufferings sooooooooo much, then I'll be able to enjoy the game that much more.

 

[Frostwraith]

Something that makes me a little more positive on DLC besides Mewtwo is how people who registered both games had the option to give feedback on future content for the games...

It wouldn't make sense to make such a question if they had no intentions of doing further DLC whatsoever. That combined with Sakurai's ambiguous, but slightly favorable, position might mean something.

Anyway, my point still stands: we have to wait for further developments. For now, there's Mewtwo to look forward to, so we might enjoy the game as it is right now before we can enter into hype mode once again.

 

[Lilfut]

I still don't understand why we have 30 million Jungle Hijinx remixes. It's a cool song, but Jesus.

Plus why make it the alt song on Corneria? Why not Area 6 or Venom, did he want more people to hear it, and remember Wolf isn't in?

Because it's one of Star Fox's most iconic pieces, the regular Corneria music had to be the default, and there weren't any other Star Fox stages on 3DS. Not everything is about being a **** to Wolf fans.

Also, what's that about Ashley's Song V2? Can I have a link? I love Ashley's Song.

 

[Frostwraith]

Also, what's that about Ashley's Song V2? Can I have a link? I love Ashley's Song.

It replaces the English version of the Brawl remix on the Japanese versions.

I don't have a link, but a search on YouTube for "Ashley's Song Ver. 2" ought to yield results.

I still don't understand why we have 30 million Jungle Hijinx remixes. It's a cool song, but Jesus.

7 versions:
- Smash 64 version
- The two versions from Brawl
- The version from DKCR
- Tropical Freeze version
- Two new remixes

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Same reason we got these songs in Brawl:

Spoiler

despite being associated with characters that were axed; they're just songs.

Oh, and the Ice Climber theme and Icicle Mountain theme in Wii U despite Ice Climbers being gone. And the Mother 3 songs.
Songs mean nothing.

The Pokemon theme is pushing it, Dr. Mario technically was playable in brawl, he just wasn't wearing his coat.
Songs do matter in a sense of how they make you feel, when I hear the Star Wolf theme, I feel depressed that an awesome song is in,but my favorite character, that's also associated with this song isn't in, just look at the comments sections on the youtube videos of those songs, people are either saying something like Wolf shouldn't have been cut, or quote the Star Wolf team,but I mostly see them discussing Wolf's exclusion more and questioning it, then wanting him back as DLC, same thing could be said for music associated to other cut characters. Point is the songs may not hint at any inclusions,but they are a big deal, songs can trigger emotions, the most common emotion that people display when they hear a song associated with a cut character is sadness and depression. Not everyone feels this way,but the music does matter.

I still don't understand why we have 30 million Jungle Hijinx remixes. It's a cool song, but Jesus.



Because it's one of Star Fox's most iconic pieces, the regular Corneria music had to be the default, and there weren't any other Star Fox stages on 3DS. Not everything is about being a **** to Wolf fans.

Also, what's that about Ashley's Song V2? Can I have a link? I love Ashley's Song.

Maybe the music wasn't intentionally being a **** to Wolf fans,but some like myself feel that way when we hear the song and it plays with our emotions. Plus the remix does sound a bit more depressing now that Wolf isn't in, though that's just one part of the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainOUt6gjeM
It feels like a struggle, starts out with disbelief, then goes into sadness and depression, then anger and struggle take place when it shifts to sector Z (fans wanting Wolf for DLC), when it begins to loop back around they push hard, harder and harder being heard more and more, then just before it loops, Wolf jumps out of his Wolfen, claws outstretched, heading right for Sakurai, then the song loops.
Take a listen to this song, what emotions do you feel when you hear this, it was much more enjoyable before Wolf's exclusion.

 

[Lilfut]

WHY ARE WE WHINING ABOUT MOTHER 3 WHEN JAPAN GOT THIS

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Just had to share this video,

This video gives me joy and laughter, hope, and confidence in Wolf being DLC for Super Smash Bors WiiU/3DS.
Wolf shows you what a real bad*** is. Sakurai cannot handle his bad***ness, He's too strong, Sakurai will submit to Wolf. This should lighten everyone's mood, The Wii U and 3DS just need some time to handle the bad*** that is Wolf O'Donnell, that assault codec, a test, Mewtwo is preparing them, Sakurai is getting his body ready for Wolf, He wanted him in since Melee, so why cut him when he just got in, same thing with Lucas. Once Mewtwo's out, Wolf will come.

 

[Freduardo]

WHY ARE WE WHINING ABOUT MOTHER 3 WHEN JAPAN GOT THIS

Yeah, but the english lyrics are a lot funnier for the character. Makes her less of an idol (which is more of a popular thing to be in Japanese culture) and more of the girl next door living in the haunted mansion. Which makes more sense as she was partnered with Red.

The japanese lyrics translated just seem kind of random. And that's random when compared to 'pantalonas giganticus... oh no not again' and 'I turned my teacher into a spoon.'

 

[Morbi]

Just had to share this video,

This video gives me joy and laughter, hope, and confidence in Wolf being DLC for Super Smash Bors WiiU/3DS.
Wolf shows you what a real bad*** is. Sakurai cannot handle his bad***ness, He's too strong, Sakurai will submit to Wolf. This should lighten everyone's mood, The Wii U and 3DS just need some time to handle the bad*** that is Wolf O'Donnell, that assault codec, a test, Mewtwo is preparing them, Sakurai is getting his body ready for Wolf, He wanted him in since Melee, so why cut him when he just got in, same thing with Lucas. Once Mewtwo's out, Wolf will come.

If I might ask, what exactly about that video gives you hope or confidence in Wolf's role as a DLC character? His presence in Subspace after that fact or something?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

If I might ask, what exactly about that video gives you hope or confidence in Wolf's role as a DLC character? His presence in Subspace after that fact or something?

Maybe that it shows why Wolf is such a great character.
Plus when this is how you feel about how Wolf's exclusion was handled.

You need a little of this

To boost your confidence.
(same could be done for other characters too)

 

[BluePikmin11]

Does anyone actually pay attention to most of the videos posted by Smashboard members nowadays?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Does anyone actually pay attention to most of the videos posted by Smashboard members nowadays?

Is there a way to even tell? Though if they comment on it, or acknowledge it, that's a sign. Did you see the videos?