Character Discussion Thread

[Spazzy_D]

When most people think "nintendo's successful series"
Admit it
Neither of those come to mind

They are successful, but I don't know if I would call them particularly important. This doesn't mean those franchises shouldn't get characters, though. It just means that them having playable representation isn't an absolute necessity in a Nintendo all stars game. Shulk and Xenoblade made the cut this time despite being exactly this sort of franchise, and I expect to see more of these type of reps in the future as all the obvious series are now in game.

I fully expect to see a character representing Nintendo's Rhythm game genre eventually, though. That is one entire genre that has gone mostly unnoticed.

 

[N3ON]

When most people think "nintendo's successful series"
Admit it
Neither of those come to mind

When most people think "Nintendo's successful series" only about half a dozen come to mind, if that.

Advance Wars deserves a character more than GS if I had to choose since it's technically part of a bigger series.

Does Advance Wars deserve a character more than Starfox? Pikmin? AC?

 

[Kenith]

Does Advance Wars deserve a character more than Starfox? Pikmin? AC?

No but it probably deserved one just as much as Fire Emblem and Xenoblade. The former is especially true during the time Marth was chosen.

"Deserve" probably still has no meaning anyway.

 

[N3ON]

No but it probably deserved one just as much as Fire Emblem and Xenoblade. The former is especially true during the time Marth was chosen.

"Deserve" probably still has no meaning anyway.

But it's technically part of a bigger series than those three.

During the time Marth was chosen he was one of the most popular requests in Japan with a series more successful than Wars, of which there were the same number of games. Not to mention the likes of Andy and Sami were still in development, Wars didn't even really have a face. I'd say Marth was the clear choice of the two.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah, Advance Wars didn't have any kind of face until Andy/Sami on the GBA.

 

[Kenith]

Advance Wars didn't exist at all, you mean.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Advance Wars didn't exist at all, you mean.

It did and it didn't.

Advance Wars and Nintendo/Famicom Wars are the same series but the Advance Wars name stuck because it became more popular than the rest. Until then, it was stuff like Famicom Wars or Game Boy Wars.

It's complicated.

 

[AEMehr]

Advance Wars didn't exist at all, you mean.

Advance Wars is part of the Wars series, which dates back to the Famicom.

 

[Kenith]

I must be terrible at communicating my thoughts...
What I was trying to say was that Advance Wars is deserving enough of a character now as Fire Emblem was in Melee...

Except that isn't really what I'm trying to say at all, just that of the unrepresented series it has the most potential for a new character.

 

[N3ON]

I don't think it is now. I think it will be after the AW game currently in development releases though.

 

[Kenith]

I don't think it is now. I think it will be after the AW game currently in development releases though.

There's a new one? That makes my statement even more plausible, considering that Sakurai has gone on record to say he chooses characters partially based on upcoming games.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

There's a new one? That makes my statement even more plausible, considering that Sakurai has gone on record to say he chooses characters partially based on upcoming games.

I think that was sarcasm dude.

 

[Kenith]

I think that was sarcasm dude.

Well that's kind of rude considering we were having a serious conversation.

 

[Frostwraith]

Advance Wars had less successful games and is less popular nowadays. Fire Emblem has more games, is currently a successful franchise thanks to Fire Emblem: Awakening.

If that game had flopped hard and IntSys dropped the series, we probably wouldn't have had Robin and Lucina and, in the worst case scenario, Ike would have been given lower priority (increasing his chances of being cut). Fire Emblem having 4 characters (granted, one of them is a last-minute alt made into clone, but Lucina would have been a playable character regardless of her status).

You can't really compare Advance Wars with Fire Emblem, other than the fact both are SRPG series developed by IntSys.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I just wish that we could get more obscure series to get in the spotlight again.

Advance Wars, Golden Sun and Chibi-Robo are my personal picks.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Might as well add these unrepresented Nintendo IPs to my tier list.

S tier
Mewtwo

A tier
Wolf, Chibi Robo, Krystal, Issac

B tier
Mach Rider, Dixie Kong, Wonder Red, Ice Climbers, Micaiah, Sceptile

C tier
Advance Wars representative, Lucas, Adam Malkovich

LOL tier
Bandana Dee, Tails, Anthony Higgs

 

[LIQUID12A]

LOL tier
Bandana Dee, Tails, *metroid in general*

Fixed.

 

[Kenith]

Here's my DLC tier list for anyone who's interested (so this is directed at no one):

Special Case Tier:
Mewtwo

Absolutely Positive It Will Happen Tier:
Dixie Kong, Wolf

Big Chance of Happening Tier:
King K. Rool, Isaac, Lucas

Could Happen Tier:
Ice Climber(s), RH rep, Impa, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pichu, Excite Biker

Doesn't Seem Likely Tier:
Solid Snake, Promoted Assist Trophies, Inkling, Andy/Sami, Rayman

Everyone Else Tier:
Everyone else

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Here's my DLC tier list for anyone who's interested (so this is directed at no one):

Special Case Tier:
Mewtwo

Absolutely Positive It Will Happen Tier:
Dixie Kong, Wolf

Big Chance of Happening Tier:
King K. Rool, Isaac, Lucas

Could Happen Tier:
Ice Climber(s), RH rep, Impa, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pichu, Excite Biker

Doesn't Seem Likely Tier:
Solid Snake, Promoted Assist Trophies, Inkling, Andy/Sami, Rayman

Everyone Else Tier:
Everyone else

C Tier Impa is hype

 

[Spazzy_D]

Out of all of the series represented in Smash Bros., Donkey Kong and Kirby are the two whose popularity, sales, and character potential most greatly mismatch their playable representation. I would fully expect newcomers from those two franchises before any other. Zelda and Metroid could use additional representation, but deciding on a character that would feel important for either franchise might be a bit tricky.

Mario and Pokemon both always have a great chance for additional reps merely based on how massive those franchises are. Fire Emblem, in future Smash installments, will likely garner new comers just based on the nature of the series. I don't see any other existing franchises gaining playable representatives anytime soon. Star Fox might have a chance in the future, IF the new game gets the series back on track. Right now we should all just hope we at least get Wolf back.

 

[Arcadenik]

But it's technically part of a bigger series than those three.

During the time Marth was chosen he was one of the most popular requests in Japan with a series more successful than Wars, of which there were the same number of games. Not to mention the likes of Andy and Sami were still in development, Wars didn't even really have a face. I'd say Marth was the clear choice of the two.

Thanks to SSB4 for opening the floodgates to generic nameless characters like Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mii Fighters, and Duck Hunt... I actually would love to play as a generic Infantry Unit. They are the ones who did the actual fighting while the Commanding Officers like Andy and Sami stood around telling them what to do (like Pokemon Trainer).

The Infantry Unit might fight similarly to how the protagonists in Contra games and Metal Slug games played... at least that's how I envision it.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Thanks to SSB4 for opening the floodgates to generic nameless characters like Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Mii Fighters, and Duck Hunt... I actually would love to play as a generic Infantry Unit. They are the ones who did the actual fighting while the Commanding Officers like Andy and Sami stood around telling them what to do (like Pokemon Trainer).

Technically speaking, Pokemon Trainer was a generic nameless character back in Brawl.

Even though he never actually fought, I still miss him more than any of his Pokemon. I would have taken him over Mewtwo for sure. Don't shoot me.


I don't know much about the Wars series other than it being another IS franchise (and I want Lip more), but I'd still like to see an eventual character from it, whatever it may be. As long as it doesn't go by the terrible "steal Snake's moves" idea.

 

[Deleted member]

The only issue I see with a Wars character is the firearms.
As sprites that don't shoot real bullets, they seem to be ok (same with the Wild Gunmen), but as a full model with real guns, there might be that issue about using realistic firearms.

 

[Kenith]

The only issue I see with a Wars character is the firearms.
As sprites that don't shoot real bullets, they seem to be ok (same with the Wild Gunmen), but as a full model with real guns, there might be that issue about using realistic firearms.

Maybe they could just use explosives?
Hm, that seems familiar, though I can't put my finger on why...

 

[Ffamran]

Maybe they could just use explosives?
Hm, that seems familiar, though I can't put my finger on why...

Hey, I was right! They do use bazookas... Then again, it's a modern military-based game so...

Yeah, I can't seem to put my finger on it either. I mean, sure, Snake used a Nikita in Brawl, but that's more of an "anti-air" rocket launcher. Advance Wars dude is using an "anti-tank" or "anti-personnel" rocket launcher which would be straight-shooting, therefore, more for grounded enemies.

I bet you're thinking about TF2's Soldier. He and Advance Wars guy are both wearing red.

 

[Freduardo]

Well that's kind of rude considering we were having a serious conversation.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...and_fire_emblem_titles_when_the_time_is_right

See, there is one in development. But they're busy with Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem right now. After that comes out, supposedly still on schedule, they'll announce the next in advance wars and fire emblem.

 

[Kenith]

Hey, I was right! They do use bazookas... Then again, it's a modern military-based game so...

Yeah, I can't seem to put my finger on it either. I mean, sure, Snake used a Nikita in Brawl, but that's more of an "anti-air" rocket launcher. Advance Wars dude is using an "anti-tank" or "anti-personnel" rocket launcher which would be straight-shooting, therefore, more for grounded enemies.

I bet you're thinking about TF2's Soldier. He and Advance Wars guy are both wearing red.

You know what? Screw Advance Wars.
Let's just have the guys from Team Fortress 2 in Smash.
All...
uh, how many are there?

 

[Arcadenik]

The only issue I see with a Wars character is the firearms.
As sprites that don't shoot real bullets, they seem to be ok (same with the Wild Gunmen), but as a full model with real guns, there might be that issue about using realistic firearms.

But I want to know is... when Sakurai said no realistic firearms, what kind of guns was he referring to? A gun you hold in one hand... or a big gun you hold with both hands... or a big gun you carry over your shoulder?

 

[JaidynReiman]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...and_fire_emblem_titles_when_the_time_is_right

See, there is one in development. But they're busy with Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem right now. After that comes out, supposedly still on schedule, they'll announce the next in advance wars and fire emblem.

"We are always thinking about the next iteration of Advance Wars and Fire Emblem. We can't reveal any of those details tonight, but when the time is right we will."

This doesn't read "in development" to me. It more reads "yeah, we have some ideas, but nothing is set in stone yet."


Granted, it does prove the franchise isn't dead. But it doesn't say one is in development right now.

 

[Deleted member]

But I want to know is... when Sakurai said no realistic firearms, what kind of guns was he referring to? A gun you hold in one hand... or a big gun you hold with both hands... or a big gun you carry over your shoulder?

Pretty sure he was referring to any firearms.
Firearms = no go
Explosives (i.e. RPGs, mortars, grenade launchers) = acceptable

 

[N3ON]

It wasn't sarcasm, there's definitely an AW in development.

Hasn't been announced yet though. Don't know when it will be.

But it's in development.

Believe me or don't, it's your call.

 

[Ffamran]

You know what? Screw Advance Wars.
Let's just have the guys from Team Fortress 2 in Smash.
All...
uh, how many are there?

Let's see, there's the Scout, Soldier, Medic, Engineer, Heavy, Sniper, Pyro, Demoman, and Spy so, 9 of them. 18 if you believe in the Blu vs. Red team thing which makes for easy alts.

 

[PSIBoy]

Might as well add these unrepresented Nintendo IPs to my tier list.

S tier
Mewtwo

A tier
Wolf, Chibi Robo, Krystal, Issac

B tier
Mach Rider, Dixie Kong, Wonder Red, Ice Climbers, Micaiah, Sceptile

C tier
Advance Wars representative, Lucas, Adam Malkovich

LOL tier
Bandana Dee, Tails, Anthony Higgs

Okay, but seriously, I think Lucas is rated above the likes of Wonder Red and Mach Rider considering he was a unique veteran. I would rate him A tier personally.

Edit: Cut the gif out.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Okay, but seriously, I think Lucas is rated above the likes of Wonder Red and Mach Rider considering he was a unique veteran. I would rate him A tier personally.

Edit: WHY ISN'T THE IMAGE WORKING?!?!

Edit 2: Here's the image:

Tip for next time, the OP of this says specifically that gifs not related to the topic at hand is not allowed.

I like Lucas, but the fact that they gave Ness his moveset as custom options kinda bothers me

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Here's my DLC tier list for anyone who's interested (so this is directed at no one):

Special Case Tier:
Mewtwo

Absolutely Positive It Will Happen Tier:
Dixie Kong, Wolf

Big Chance of Happening Tier:
King K. Rool, Isaac, Lucas

Could Happen Tier:
Ice Climber(s), RH rep, Impa, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pichu, Excite Biker

Doesn't Seem Likely Tier:
Solid Snake, Promoted Assist Trophies, Inkling, Andy/Sami, Rayman

Everyone Else Tier:
Everyone else

Its agonizing just waiting for Sakurai to confirm Wolf when he's clearly wanted, an iconic Nintendo character, was one of the highly requested pre melee characters, and alot of people are expecting him and willing to pay for him.

DLC can bring back almost all the cut veterans, so why isn't he doing it yet? Or at least committed himself to doing veteran DLC, Mewtwo will be a success, and people want their veterans back.

 

[PSIBoy]

Tip for next time, the OP of this says specifically that gifs not related to the topic at hand is not allowed.

I like Lucas, but the fact that they gave Ness his moveset as custom options kinda bothers me

Oh, okay. I'll stop with the gifs.

But custom movesets... Ness's custom moves are pretty much useless for the most part. Except for PSI Vaccum and maybe Lucas PKT, but Lucas's moves can be changed from Brawl and custom moves are no good online anyway. Plus, all his normal A moves are completely different from Ness.

 

[LunarWingCloud]

EDIT: Nevermind~

 

[Chandeelure]

LOL tier
Bandana Dee, Tails, Anthony Higgs

0/10

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

0/10

What?

It's pretty damn clear that we're not getting another Sonic character, and Anthony Higgs isn't as important as Adam Malkovich.

As for Bandana Dee, I just know you too well, and I wouldn't mind seeing him in, I just don't really see a moveset potential for him, much less a Final Smash, but I'll admit I may be biased because I am not a kirby expert, and I would've seen Galacta Knight over Bandana Dee.

 

[Chandeelure]

What?

It's pretty damn clear that we're not getting another Sonic character, and Anthony Higgs isn't as important as Adam Malkovich.

As for Bandana Dee, I just know you too well, and I wouldn't mind seeing him in, I just don't really see a moveset potential for him, much less a Final Smash, but I'll admit I may be biased because I am not a kirby expert, and I would've seen Galacta Knight over Bandana Dee.

And what about my signature

No, but don't worry, it was just a joke.