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Thats not really a bad thing bro.

Would you rather have nothing there?
Well, to elaborate on what I said earlier, I would have rather had Ganondorf sit out Melee so he could be done right in Brawl, but he's pretty much the only case of that.

Speaking of Melee Ganon, I'd be more accepting of Clone Ganon if he was more like Melee Ganondorf. He at least felt somewhat fit and agile. Brawl/4 Ganondorf just seems old and worn out. Could he at least lose that utterly embarrassing run cycle?
 

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It's hard to name a single fighter that lack clones, so there's literally nothing you can do to expect them to be absent. Smash had been receiving clones (both of the semi and full variety for all five games) since the beginning. It can be for various reasons than juts padding out the roster like just having a certain playstyle with certain variations in case not that many people would enjoy the original. There are some people that prefer Fox's balanced playstyle while others might enjoy Falco's more aerial (referring to his great jumping and slightly heavier weight), thus getting the best of both worlds. People might be more drawn towards the latter (before his unfortunate nerfed this generation) since he's pretty competent in tournaments.

Another great example are the number of Ryu clones in the latter editions of Street Fighter (Ryu, Ken, Evil Ryu, Oni, Dan, Gouken, and Akuma) with their own drawbacks and strengths to separate them from one another. Ryu and Ken are fairly balanced characters that were known for being average while Akuma and Evil Ryu are powerhouses that are rather high in the competitive tier lists. Dan is a pretty low tier character in tournaments, but he's a fan favorite for his quirky personality and interesting attacks. Which also goes into another reason in which that a person might enjoy the clone compared to the original due to how interesting they are as a person.

Overall the most fighting game developers don't add clones for the sake of padding, but for reasons in regards to how the players might perceive them or their differnet playstyles.
 
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...what?

Thats not really a bad thing bro.

Would you rather have nothing there?
I never said I didn't want clones, nor if it was a bad thing. I just said that I can understand why they're there and if they have a unique playstyle, then that's fine in my boat. If not, then I just hope Nintendo would change them up a bit.

Well, to elaborate on what I said earlier, I would have rather had Ganondorf sit out Melee so he could be done right in Brawl, but he's pretty much the only case of that.

Speaking of Melee Ganon, I'd be more accepting of Clone Ganon if he was more like Melee Ganondorf. He at least felt somewhat fit and agile. Brawl/4 Ganondorf just seems old and worn out. Could he at least lose that utterly embarrassing run cycle?
His run makes me snort with laughter sometimes. Kind of wish they would replace it because it seems out of character and kind of wish they wouldn't because it's amusing.
 

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That run is the best thing, I'm sorry. There is no debating this.
 

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...what are you talking about?
Speaking of Melee Ganon, I'd be more accepting of Clone Ganon if he was more like Melee Ganondorf. He at least felt somewhat fit and agile. Brawl/4 Ganondorf just seems old and worn out. Could he at least lose that utterly embarrassing run cycle?
 

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Honestly, I think Ganondorf's run animation is pretty damn funny considering that he's supposed to be the King of Evil.
 

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That's the point. It's unfitting for the character. It'd be like if Snake ran like Arthur from Ghosts N Goblins.
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I want an MGS game like this now.
 
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I think it's only off-putting because Ganondorf never really runs in the Zelda series outside Hyrule Warriors. He either walks or leaps.
I'm going to be in the minority here and say that I feel Ganondorf's Brawl/4 run animation is less off-putting than his Melee "moves like C. Falcon but without the speed" animation. At least it gives off the impression that he's wearing bulky armor (which his TP design does have).
 
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I think it's only off-putting because Ganondorf never really runs in the Zelda series outside Hyrule Warriors. He either walks or leaps.
I'm going to be in the minority here and say that I feel Ganondorf's Brawl/4 run animation is less off-putting than his Melee "moves like C. Falcon but without the speed" animation. At least it gives off the impression that he's wearing bulky armor (which his TP design does have).
Also, he's got good running form so, why are we complaining?
 

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This reminds of this little fan art.
For a second, I thought Hulk was holding onto that Playboy magazine LOL.

Also, I imagine Snake is screaming like Captain Jack in Dead Man's Chest.
 
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I'm actually really surprised any of the LOZ characters didn't get a redesign.
Yeah, I kind of wanted at least Link to get a redesign since Skyward Sword Zelda doesn't seem to be much of a fighter in anyway. To clarify, Ocarina of Time had Zelda being sort of like a typical mage while Twilight Princess implied she'd be a like battlemage since she had a rapier and magic. In Skyward Sword, she kind of seemed more like a support mage so, a cleric or something. Still, it could have worked.

The issue would be Ganondorf and Sheik. Both could have Skyward Sword themed designs. Demise wouldn't be a wise choice since he's a walking spoiler.

As for Toon Link, I kind of wished that he used other stuff from his games and the rest of the other Zelda games. Link has more than just bombs, boomerangs, a bow, and a claw/hookshot.
 
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I'm actually really surprised any of the LOZ characters didn't get a redesign.
I guess, but I do like it how they all look equal to each other when it comes to appearances.

I do see the LoZ-cast getting redesigns in the next Smash-game though. Zelda Wii U is coming so that could be the inspiration, but if it doesn't have Ganondorf (or Sheik), there's always the Hyrule Warriors designs as well.
 

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I'm actually really surprised any of the LOZ characters didn't get a redesign.
I was hoping they would go for the Skyward Sword design for Link, but looking at Zelda and Ganon I can see why they didn't.
They should have just made the Hyrule Warriors versions the "official" versions that appear in all of the games.
 

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I'm actually really surprised any of the LOZ characters didn't get a redesign.
Probably didn't happen because of Ganondorf and Sheik needing new designs to match that. Skyward Sword's Zelda also doesn't look like much of a fighter either.
Twilight Princess' designs also seem to best show the transfer to HD between the two styles anyways. Toon Link wouldn't be as style clash-y alongside Skyward Sword's designs neither.

I would have enjoyed playing as Skyward Sword's Zelda though, I really like the way she looks in the game. Preferably in her Skyloftian clothing too.
That's the point. It's unfitting for the character. It'd be like if Snake ran like Arthur from Ghosts N Goblins.
I don't really care much for small things like that, I mean he's also capable of wearing bunny ears, tanooki ears and tail, and could get a flower sprouting out of his head. He's also capable of being defeated by the Dog and Duck from Duck Hunt and Jigglypuff. Him humorously jogging is the least of my worries of him trying to retain that "King of Evil" image.
All he needs to change is Wizard's Foot and his Up Tilt and I'd be pretty content with him.
 
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Does someone know if there is a total limit for the fighters players collect in Smash Odyssey ?
 
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Well since Sakurai is no longer accosted with Smash franchise anymore (meaning that someone new might be taking care of future Smash games), I can tell that the elimination process for choosing newcomers will be pretty damn rocky. If he actually does pay attention to the many IP's Nintendo has or actually paid attention to the many fan requests, then I can tell that the roster might turn out to be an improvement compared this generation.
 

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Demise wouldn't be a wise choice since he's a walking spoiler.
The time between Skyward Sword's release and Smash 3DS's release is about the same—a few months less, even—than the time between Ocarina of Time and Melee's Zelda/Shiek.
 

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Smash Odyssey is an awesome name.
 

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I was hoping they would go for the Skyward Sword design for Link, but looking at Zelda and Ganon I can see why they didn't.
They should have just made the Hyrule Warriors versions the "official" versions that appear in all of the games.
Thissssssssss, I've been spouting this forever
 
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Well since Sakurai is no longer accosted with Smash franchise anymore (meaning that someone new might be taking care of future Smash games), I can tell that the elimination process for choosing newcomers will be pretty damn rocky. If he actually does pay attention to the many IP's Nintendo has or actually paid attention to the many fan requests, then I can tell that the roster might turn out to be an improvement compared this generation.
At this point, with Villager's addition, I think every SERIES that needs representation has been given it.
Granted there's some obscure franchises. But pretty much all the main ones have been represented
 

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At this point, with Villager's addition, I think every SERIES that needs representation has been given it.
Granted there's some obscure franchises. But pretty much all the main ones have been represented
Villager should've been in Brawl *cough*
 

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The time between Skyward Sword's release and Smash 3DS's release is about the same—a few months less, even—than the time between Ocarina of Time and Melee's Zelda/Shiek.
Spoilers are spoilers. People still complain about "spoiling" Romeo & Juliet.
 

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Well since Sakurai is no longer accosted with Smash franchise anymore (meaning that someone new might be taking care of future Smash games), I can tell that the elimination process for choosing newcomers will be pretty damn rocky. If he actually does pay attention to the many IP's Nintendo has or actually paid attention to the many fan requests, then I can tell that the roster might turn out to be an improvement compared this generation.
How do we know for sure that he's done for good? I've read the article and for all we know it could be from sheer relief and need of having a long vacation somewhere. If a new director comes in I will fear for characters like ROB, Mr. Game & Watch, and Ness (though he's Origional 12, but that only barely saved him in Brawl along with Sakurai bias maybe).
 
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Those two don't really "need" it, though it wouldn't be bad for those series to get a character.

inb4longrantabouthowtheydeservemorethanotherseriesinsmashalready
 
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When most people think "nintendo's successful series"
Admit it
Neither of those come to mind
Well, GS1/2 were pretty successful at least. Way more successful than a lot of games, especially for games that were barely marketed.
 

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Advance Wars deserves a character more than GS if I had to choose since it's technically part of a bigger series.
Also because a character from either series would be really unique. Whether it's Andy building mini-tanks or Sami being Snake 2.0 it would be a good choice.
I would say it's not happening this game, though.
 
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