Character Discussion Thread

[AEMehr]

For someone who theorizes in the outlandish and unknown (for better or for worse) you really do hamper on the popular theories quite a bit.

I don't mean to gang up on Blue, but you said it yourself Swamp.

He prefers the obcure choices, perhaps he finds Rayman a bit too mainstream.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Kinda of straw grasping as using two GS songs as evidence for Isaac, don't you think?

You're right about the fact that GS getting two songs doesn't mean much in terms of his chances. On the other hand, using a remake to argue that the only veteran who got replaced by a character who is essentially the same as him has a chance to be in as DLC despite his role already being filled by his replacement in Smash 4 isn't exactly better, now is it?

So, anyways, I just found another Nintendo owned franchise not many people know about. It's called Glory of Heracles...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_of_Heracles

Interesting.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Songs and trophies are not evidence helping a character's chances, unless the song track literally hint's at the inclusion at Isaac or that the trophy description somehow hints at the inclusion (ALA Melee Pit trophy)

 

[False Sense]

Songs and trophies are not evidence helping a character's chances, unless the song track literally hint's at the inclusion at Isaac or that the trophy description somehow hints at the inclusion (ALA Melee Pit trophy)

I'm pretty sure that the Melee Pit trophy description was a coincidence, and not a deliberate hint at things to come.

 

[Kenith]

Songs and trophies are not evidence helping a character's chances, unless the song track literally hint's at the inclusion at Isaac or that the trophy description somehow hints at the inclusion (ALA Melee Pit trophy)

I doubt Melee's Pit trophy was foreshadowing. Brawl was not in development at that time, and that was when Pit was decided upon.
It could have been a hint, but there's nothing saying it was one.

That aside...
Anyone remember that flyer featuring Captain Toad for that one event in Japan where he talked about all of the different games there, Smash included, then dreamed of being in Smash Bros.?

Do you think maybe that could be an indicator that Captain Toad is at least in consideration for DLC?

 

[JaidynReiman]

I doubt Melee's Pit trophy was foreshadowing. Brawl was not in development at that time, and that was when Pit was decided upon.
It could have been a hint, but there's nothing saying it was one.

That aside...
Anyone remember that flyer featuring Captain Toad for that one event in Japan where he talked about all of the different games there, Smash included, then dreamed of being in Smash Bros.?

Do you think maybe that could be an indicator that Captain Toad is at least in consideration for DLC?

That's exactly why I think Captain Toad is (unfortunately) a prime candidate. I had nothing against the idea... until we got Bowser Jr.

 

[Kenith]

That's exactly why I think Captain Toad is (unfortunately) a prime candidate. I had nothing against the idea... until we got Bowser Jr.

What's wrong with Captain Toad?

 

[False Sense]

What's wrong with Captain Toad?

Well, he's another Mario character... It would be nice to get a character from a series with less representation, like Donkey Kong, Star Fox, or even a new series entirely.

 

[Kenith]

Well, he's another Mario character... It would be nice to get a character from a series with less representation, like Donkey Kong, Star Fox, or even a new series entirely.

But most of those series don't have many interesting or viable candidates, and if Captain Toad is eventually included I'm imagining we wouldn't have to wait long for Dixie Kong anyway, since they would be getting in under the same basic criteria.

There are a lot of Mario characters in Smash because it's Nintendo's biggest and most popular franchise, its characters are some of the most requested newcomers, and because they present a fun or interesting playstyle to Smash, and none of these reasons are mutually exclusive.

I am not even a particular fan of Toad but I still see Captain Toad being an ideal choice for Smash DLC.

 

[Staarih]

I feel like Toad is the only major Mario character missing from Smash (besides maybe my biased Paper Mario haha), so I'd gladly accept Captain Toad in as a character, any Toad would do to fill in that void.

 

[JaidynReiman]

But most of those series don't have many interesting or viable candidates, and if Captain Toad is eventually included I'm imagining we wouldn't have to wait long for Dixie Kong anyway, since they would be getting in under the same basic criteria.

There are a lot of Mario characters in Smash because it's Nintendo's biggest and most popular franchise, its characters are some of the most requested newcomers, and because they present a fun or interesting playstyle to Smash, and none of these reasons are mutually exclusive.

I am not even a particular fan of Toad but I still see Captain Toad being an ideal choice for Smash DLC.

Yeah, but we don't need many viable candidates to fill up what will likely be a very limited number of DLC characters. Dixie, K. Rool, Wolf, and a new franchise character, maybe Lucas back, Ice Climbers (if they can be fixed). There's more than enough non-Mario characters to fill in the gaps. I'm fine with Captain Toad, I'd far prefer him to Bowser Jr., but the problem is its yet another Mario character. If they push for a TON of DLC characters, sure, let's have Captain Toad. But I highly doubt we're going to get *that* many DLC characters.

 

[Spazzy_D]

So, anyways, I just found another Nintendo owned franchise not many people know about. It's called Glory of Heracles...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_of_Heracles

Late to the party friend.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Late to the party friend.

Well that's awesome.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Well that's awesome.

The Battle Theme from the game is actually pretty great.

Fun trivia fact, the original game in the Glory of Heracles series came out on the Famicom in 1987, making it the oldest JRPG series owned by Nintendo.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

The Battle Theme from the game is actually pretty great.

Fun trivia fact, the original game in the Glory of Heracles game came out on the Famicom in 1987, making it the oldest JRPG series owned by Nintendo.

I was going to start a Heracles support thresd back during speculation days. But I didn't because I kinda knew it most likely wouldn't have made it past the first page. Plus the hero himself is kind of spoilery if I remember correctly.

 

[JaidynReiman]

The Battle Theme from the game is actually pretty great.

Fun trivia fact, the original game in the Glory of Heracles series came out on the Famicom in 1987, making it the oldest JRPG series owned by Nintendo.

Which is funny because, technically, the franchise was not originally owned by Nintendo. They bought the IP in 2003.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Which is funny because, technically, the franchise was not originally owned by Nintendo. They bought the IP in 2003.

Just like I'm sure the both of us are hoping Camelot is making GS4, I've been hoping against all odds that Paon is making a new Heracles game, I mean they haven't had a game since 2008.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Which is funny because, technically, the franchise was not originally owned by Nintendo. They bought the IP in 2003.

Yeah, if I remember correctly, it was owned by Data East, but was made by Paon (best known around these parts as the guys who ruined King K. Rool's design) who were part of the company at the time.

Coliseum seems to be a go to stage for obscure JRPGs, since it also has a song from Soma Bringer.

Although I think Coliseum is an absolute fit for a Glory of Heracles track, I am a bit surprised that the song wasn't placed in Palutena's Temple since both games have a strong basis in Greek Mythology. The Golden Sun track from that stage could have been moved to Coliseum as it fits well there.

Heracles is not a character I would ever expect to even get assist status in Smash, but who knows, maybe a future game in the franchise will prove to be a big hit.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Just like I'm sure the both of us are hoping Camelot is making GS4, I've been hoping against all odds that Paon is making a new Heracles game, I mean they haven't had a game since 2008.

I've only heard of the franchise once before from someone I'm following on Youtube talking about obscure Nintendo franchises he'd like to see in Smash. Its definitely a long-running franchise, I'll give them that.


(Though I'm not "hoping" for GS4; moreso, I honestly believe its actually happening.)

Yeah, if I remember correctly, it was owned by Data East, but was made by Paon (best known around these parts as the guys who ruined King K. Rool's design) who were part of the company at the time.

Coliseum seems to be a go to stage for obscure JRPGs, since it also has a song from Soma Bringer.

Although I think Coliseum is an absolute fit for a Glory of Heracles track, I am a bit surprised that the song wasn't placed in Palutena's Temple since both games have a strong basis in Greek Mythology. The Golden Sun track from that stage could have been moved to Coliseum as it fits well there.

Heracles is not a character I would ever expect to even get assist status in Smash, but who knows, maybe a future game in the franchise will prove to be a big hit.

They'd need to market it properly. PAON may have (admittedly) ruined K. Rool's design, but the DK games they made don't look half bad.


And honestly K. Rool's design doesn't look THAT bad... they just need to add K. Rool's gold breastplate back (yes, it IS a breastplate/armor) and make his crown bigger.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I've only heard of the franchise once before from someone I'm following on Youtube talking about obscure Nintendo franchises he'd like to see in Smash. Its definitely a long-running franchise, I'll give them that.


(Though I'm not "hoping" for GS4; moreso, I honestly believe its actually happening.)



They'd need to market it properly. PAON may have (admittedly) ruined K. Rool's design, but the DK games they made don't look half bad.


And honestly K. Rool's design doesn't look THAT bad... they just need to add K. Rool's gold breastplate back (yes, it IS a breastplate/armor) and make his crown bigger.

K. Rool needs a tail. I can not stress enough how much of a difference a tail makes to me. He is a crocodile. They have tails. Without one he is is basically Wart with a bad eye.

 

[Kenith]

God, how I wish Splatoon came out six months earlier!
Not only would I get to play the game sooner, but they might have actually been a viable candidate for Smash 4!
There's so much potential it hurts.

 

[Spazzy_D]

God, how I wish Splatoon came out six months earlier!
Not only would I get to play the game sooner, but they might have actually been a viable candidate for Smash 4!
There's so much potential it hurts.

Got to save something for Smash 6.

I think Inklings and Captain Toad are shoo-ins for the next game at the very least.

Toad is the only Mario character I would not mind seeing as DLC. He is more important to the franchise then Rosalina, Doc, or Bowser Jr., and he is one of the only remaining true Nintendo All Stars. Really, the only remaining characters that have mainstream star power similar to Toad are Donkey Kong characters and Pokemon.

 

[JaidynReiman]

K. Rool needs a tail. I can not stress enough how much of a difference a tail makes to me. He is a crocodile. They have tails. Without one he is is basically Wart with a bad eye.

Oh, forgot about that. Technically I think the Paon K. Rool DOES have a tail, its just REALLY small. It needs to be a lot bigger.

 

[BluePikmin11]

God, how I wish Splatoon came out six months earlier!
Not only would I get to play the game sooner, but they might have actually been a viable candidate for Smash 4!
There's so much potential it hurts.

If Yoshi's Wooly World is something to take from, I'm betting that Splatoon representation was considered late in development, but Sakurai decided to withhold the content for DLC.

 

[Spazzy_D]

If Yoshi's Wooly World is something to take from, I'm betting that Splatoon representation was considered late in development, but Sakurai decided to withhold the content for DLC.

I could see a Splatoon stage happening. It would be an easy inclusion to help hype the release of Splatoon and would not require too much man power. I'm not sold on a character happening, but it is possible and I would love to see if happen.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I could see a Splatoon stage happening. It would be an easy inclusion to help hype the release of Splatoon and would not require too much man power. I'm not sold on a character happening, but it is possible and I would love to see if happen.

I can see Splatoon trophies happening, but not much more than that.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I could see a Splatoon stage happening. It would be an easy inclusion to help hype the release of Splatoon and would not require too much man power. I'm not sold on a character happening, but it is possible and I would love to see if happen.

I personally don't want the Splatoon stage if the Inkling is not playable. It be kind of strange to see the stage being empty unless the Inklings were stage hazards.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I personally don't want the Splatoon stage if the Inkling is not playable. It be kind of strange to see the stage being empty unless the Inklings were stage hazards.

I'm sure they could do a lot with a Splatoon stage. We haven't even had an extended look at the game yet, but we have already seen the octopus army and all sort of ink spraying hazards. Seems like a lot to work with already.

 

[cmbsfm]

Unique Moveset + Moveset Potential + Wild Popularity + "Marketing"
More than what got Roy into Melee, despite not appearing in his game yet. At least was have a good idea of what the Inklings can do.

Ah. I totally agree with Unique Moveset and Moveset potential, they'd be a great addition. Wild Popularity is debatable, but I won't deny the popularity they have here. We don't know how well splatoon will sell, and we don't know how much Nintendo expects it to sells.

I've never understood how it's marketing. The inkling being in the base game would do more promotion to splatoon than inkling being a downloadable character behind a pay wall. Not many people would be exposed to the inkling as they would if they were in the base game. I feel like offering inkling with splatoon for free would mostly appeal to those who are interested in the game. If inkling isn't dlc and isn't offered with the game, those people would still buy the game regardless. So what's the point of taking time to develop this character( and it would take quite a while, this a brand new character, wouldn't be as easy as to bring in as it would a veteran.) that could very well be a hit or miss? I'm not saying this game will fail, I think it'll do great. But there isn't a guarantee that the inkling will bring in as much cash as others. I'm betting that they'll be in smash 5, if not dlc for this game.

I guess we'll have to wait for the second dlc confirmation sometime soon to start making more predictions. If it's a veteran that's revealed next, my stance on them won't change, but if it's a newcomer, their chances will increase for me personally.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

This may sound like a childish pipe dream to most of you, but how would you feel if Piantas from Super Mario Sunshine were playable?

 

[False Sense]

This may sound like a childish pipe dream to most of you, but how would you feel if Piantas from Super Mario Sunshine were playable?

Why?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Why?

Well, let's face it. They did originate in a Canon game, and have been in Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and Super Mario Galaxy 2, not just spinoff titles, and I bet Sakurai would find a good moveset for them like people doubted he would do one for PacMan.

 

[False Sense]

Well, let's face it. They did originate in a Canon game, and have been in Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and Super Mario Galaxy 2, not just spinoff titles, and I bet Sakurai would find a good moveset for them like people doubted he would do one for PacMan.

But what reason or justification do they have for being on the roster?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

But what reason or justification do they have for being on the roster?

They don't, I just thought it was a good idea since there was a support thread posted for them not too long ago.

 

[ShrekItRalph]

I think if the inklings were DLC they should be free because let's admit it, they would only be there for promotional purposes fot Splatoon. Kind of like the Mercedes dlc for Mario Kart.

 

[AEMehr]

Songs and trophies are not evidence helping a character's chances, unless the song track literally hint's at the inclusion at Isaac or that the trophy description somehow hints at the inclusion (ALA Melee Pit trophy)

If you read my post, you would have seen how I noted that it was odd that Rayman has two trophies in the same pose, with one of them having a lack of model quality. While the Mewtwo model in the 3DS version's trophy is different from the one they plan to use for as the playable character. With a drop of quality on that one too. It's just a thing I pointed out, I'm not creating some theory about Rayman or anything.

Well, let's face it. They did originate in a Canon game, and have been in Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and Super Mario Galaxy 2, not just spinoff titles, and I bet Sakurai would find a good moveset for them like people doubted he would do one for PacMan.

no
please stop

 

[Deleted member]

This thread's really gone to Hell, hasn't it?

 

[Burruni]

This thread's really gone to Hell, hasn't it?

Blowing open the roof with the confirmed point of DLC was sure to lead to some kind of chaotic mess in result. This is now just a little bit less inhibited variant of the conversations we had pre-release but with less people in circulation. Namely, we're missing a couple key people like Morbid.

 

[Spazzy_D]

This thread's really gone to Hell, hasn't it?

Until we see some non-Mewtwo DLC characters we have no frame of reference for what DLC might be. It makes speculation.... difficult at the moment.

 

[Lilfut]

I don't really get why people are trying to shut down fanwank. What's it harm, really?