Character Discussion Thread

[Kenith]

In my opinion, if Ice Climbers aren't on the starter roster, they are guaranteed DLC.

 

[NeonBurrito]

One final roster. Smash releases in 10 days, which means speculation will be coming to a close fairly soon.

Additions: Mewtwo, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Lucas, Wolf

I would have put King K. Rool over Dixie, but I'm just feeling that Dixie is more likely at this point.

 

[Zzuxon]

This is what I feel the roster will look like. ICs and Chorus Kids are off to the side, because I feel they'll be DLC, at least on the 3ds version.

 

[Gold_Jacobson]

One final roster. Smash releases in 10 days, which means speculation will be coming to a close fairly soon.

Additions: Mewtwo, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Lucas, Wolf

I would have put King K. Rool over Dixie, but I'm just feeling that Dixie is more likely at this point.

I so hope we get this 9 x 6 instead of the ESRB leaked upside down roster pyramid.

 

[Maxilian]

One final roster. Smash releases in 10 days, which means speculation will be coming to a close fairly soon.

Additions: Mewtwo, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Lucas, Wolf

I would have put King K. Rool over Dixie, but I'm just feeling that Dixie is more likely at this point.

These would totally be my favorite final roster (sadly i doubt we are getting Lucas and Wolf, maybe one of them but not both but still is not impossible to have both)

 

[~Krystal~]

My 2nd prediction/wish roster. I tried to keep my biases in check for this one, understanding that objectivity is important in these hybrid rosters.

Main:

DLC:

*Author's Notes

Legend of Zelda attempts to keep pace with the Mario juggernaut, but narrowly misses, outnumbered two spin-off franchises to zero. Three if you count Dr. Mario.

The cuts everyone feared happen.

The additions everyone dreaded become reality.

In spite of the director, in spite of two versions being simultaneously developed, an exquisite group of characters miraculously redeem the roster (Toon Zelda, Dixie, Sceptile, and Duck Hunt Dog).

Hopes are crushed and pre-orders are cancelled. All in all, the game manages to warrant its price tag as it limps to a respectable, yet profoundly disappointing finish.

Chibi-Robo headlines an ambitious 4 character DLC pack that returns some of the community's most beloved veterans.

 

[Masonomace]

@ ~Krystal~ Your roster is definitely approved of hotness & Sceptile with realistic hard-hitting events that could transpire.

But this is what I wanted to post about:

Not only are they all good-looking especially the Green Samus outfit, but they even gave Samus a DARK SAMUS palette! I don't know if its exact details are that of Dark Samus status & I'm worried because I hope it's almost exact. Sakurai officially said that there will be 8 palettes for every character, so that leak being true for that, not to mention Bowser Jr. getting the Koopalings as his other 7 palettes makes sense now. I'm very excited to see all of the pokemon have their shiny form & others like Blood Falcon & Daisy.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I honestly believe that Sheik could very well get an Impa at this point. In fact, I think its incredibly possible Sakurai intended to replace Sheik with Impa, but later decided to keep Sheik as an alt costume and advertise Sheik returning rather than Impa. Naturally, this could mean Impa could have been added as a late clone, too. I'm open to the possibility, although I'm not fully sure on it.

And yeah, Alph was mentioned as an Olimar alt.

 

[mark welford]

shulk kind of puts me in the mind of kingdom hearts and final fantasy.

 

[Masonomace]

Here's a 9 x 6 roster to throw out (for now on 3DS HintHintWinkWink), but I'm only going off what's been confirmed with the solid leak to go with but my own differences go into the roster's look.. My included predictions unsure of with padlocks to be in the areas I feel a newcomer will appear in that said series. This is also how I want the roster to look because of the placement with the characters in their series along with the padlocks making the roster a solid 54 excluding Mii Fighters due to them apparently having a separate tab to click. IF Mii Fighters were to be on the 3DS CSS, the Mii Fighters would be in between Olimar and Mr. Game & Watch, since technically Mii Fighters are Super Smash Bros. Series characters.
The placement of series to go in order looks like this in the spoiler:

Spoiler

Mario
Yoshi = minor series
Wario = minor series
Donkey Kong
The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Kid Icarus
Kirby
Star Fox
F-Zero
Pokemon
Fire Emblem
EarthBound
Animal Crossing
Pikmin
Game & Watch
Duck Hunt
R.O.B.
Punch Out!!
Wii Fit
Xenoblade
Sonic
Mega Man
Pac-Man
???

1. Padlock # 1 = Dixe / King K. Rool. I perfer K. Rool, but Dixie seems more likely.
2. Padlock # 2 = Toon anyone / Impa / Vaati. I prefer Toon Ganondorf since sword ganondorf is ftw. He's dual-wield which is unique as hotness. No one dual-wields swords in SSB.
3. Padlock # 3 = Ridley or *insert Metroid fighter here*. I would want to see the other Metroid fighter.
4. Padlock # 4 = Mewtwo or Sceptile or Meowth or any other Pkmn. I prefer Sceptile, but Mewtwo's more likely.
5. Padlock # 5 = Honestly it's a free padlock for any franchise, but I put it there for a fourth 3rd party fighter being a possibility, mostly being Snake or possibly something new & uneggspecting. Like another Sonic character. . .?

Cuts from the roster (but perhaps not forever HintHintWinkWinkDLC):

 

[~Krystal~]

Here's a 9 x 6 roster to throw out (for now on 3DS HintHintWinkWink), but I'm only going off what's been confirmed with the solid leak to go with but my own differences go into the roster's look.. My included predictions unsure of with padlocks to be in the areas I feel a newcomer will appear in that said series. This is also how I want the roster to look because of the placement with the characters in their series along with the padlocks making the roster a solid 54 excluding Mii Fighters due to them apparently having a separate tab to click. IF Mii Fighters were to be on the 3DS CSS, the Mii Fighters would be in between Olimar and Mr. Game & Watch, since technically Mii Fighters are Super Smash Bros. Series characters.
The placement of series to go in order looks like this in the spoiler:

Spoiler

Mario
Yoshi = minor series
Wario = minor series
Donkey Kong
The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Kid Icarus
Kirby
Star Fox
F-Zero
Pokemon
Fire Emblem
EarthBound
Animal Crossing
Pikmin
Game & Watch
Duck Hunt
R.O.B.
Punch Out!!
Wii Fit
Xenoblade
Sonic
Mega Man
Pac-Man
???

1. Padlock # 1 = Dixe or King K. Rool.
2. Padlock # 2 = Toon anyone or Impa or Vaati. I prefer Toon Ganondorf since people talk about Sword ganon anyway, & he's dual-wield, das unique as hotness.
3. Padlock # 3 = Ridley or any other Metroid character
4. Padlock # 4 = Mewtwo or Sceptile or any notable Pokemon worth mentioning
5. Padlock # 5 = Honestly it's a free padlock for any franchise, but I put it there for a fourth 3rd party fighter being a possibility, mostly being Snake or possibly something new & uneggspecting.

Cuts from the roster (but perhaps not forever HintHintWinkWinkDLC):

I don't know how to rate a roster that leaves blanks where newcomer predictions normally would be, so I'll say the layout is nice. :3

I agree with your speculation for potential newcomers, but if you give me the option to add any Metroid character, I'm going to include Adam. I love trolly characters.

 

[Masonomace]

I don't know how to rate a roster that leaves blanks where newcomer predictions normally would be, so I'll say the layout is nice. :3

I agree with your speculation for potential newcomers, but if you give me the option to add any Metroid character, I'm going to include Adam. I love trolly characters.

I could re-post my roster with the blank padlocks filled in, but then making hard-read predictions at this late-time of speculating, would pain me more because they'd be mostly be chosen by my bias alone, & that would be in padlock order of series:

1. King K. Rool
2. Toon Ganondorf
3. Idc
4. Sceptile
5. Agumon / Greymon for Bamnco's 2nd series fighter, OR Black Shadow for F-Zero's series

But logically thinking to myself down-to-earth, It'd look like this:

1. Dixie Kong
2. Idk, probably Impa or Toon Zelda
3. Ridley
4. Mewtwo
5. It's supposed to be a missing padlock freebie space. . .soo. . .lets go with ICs ASSUMING they already fixed their technical issue.

 

[~Krystal~]

I could re-post my roster with the blank padlocks filled in, but then making hard-read predictions at this late-time of speculating, would pain me more because they'd be mostly be chosen by my bias alone, & that would be in padlock order of series:

1. King K. Rool
2. Toon Ganondorf
3. Idc
4. Sceptile
5. Agumon / Greymon for Bamnco's 2nd series fighter, OR Black Shadow for F-Zero's series

But logically thinking to myself down-to-earth, It'd look like this:

1. Dixie Kong
2. Idk, probably Impa or Toon Zelda
3. Ridley
4. Mewtwo
5. It's supposed to be a missing padlock freebie space. . .soo. . .lets go with ICs ASSUMING they already fixed their technical issue.

Thank you for telling me.

I was curious to know what your firm predictions were. I think making these later leads to less bias, because you have less spots to jam all your favorite characters in. You know how in the beginning, where barely anything is known, people add every obscure character they think has a chance? Now we're seeing prediction rosters we would have been laughed at for making 3 months ago.

Btw, my pick for the final third party is Bayonetta.

Spoiler

With her, I won't be salty despite the cuts and the possibility that the remaining newcomers suck.

 

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

Padlock 1: King K. Rool / Dixie (most likely King K. Rool)
Padlock 2: Impa
Padlock 3: Ridley
Padlock 4: Mewtwo
Padlock 5: Isaac / Chorus Men / Ice Climbers / ???

I'd love this roster so much.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Padlock 1: King K. Rool / Dixie (most likely King K. Rool)
Padlock 2: Impa
Padlock 3: Ridley
Padlock 4: Mewtwo
Padlock 5: Isaac / Chorus Men / Ice Climbers / ???

I'd love this roster so much.

Honestly, I think its more likely at this point to get K. Rool and Dixie than Impa, really. I don't think we're getting a Zelda newcomer at all, not that I'd mind. The final padlock I think is more likely to be Isaac as well, but that's my personal opinion.

 

[T-Hell]

Honestly, I think its more likely at this point to get K. Rool and Dixie than Impa, really. I don't think we're getting a Zelda newcomer at all, not that I'd mind. The final padlock I think is more likely to be Isaac as well, but that's my personal opinion.

What about the trophy quiz theory from the Smash Direct? We have 2 out of 4 confirmed now, and with Ridley most likely debuting, there should be a Zelda newcomer. Truth is, one could consider a "newcomer" kind of thing if Ganondorf got overhauled, but it isn't the case apparently.

 

[Capt. Butt Stallion]

Honestly, I think its more likely at this point to get K. Rool and Dixie than Impa, really. I don't think we're getting a Zelda newcomer at all, not that I'd mind. The final padlock I think is more likely to be Isaac as well, but that's my personal opinion.

I wouldn't mind having both K. Rool and Dixie, actually. Dixie is fine for me as long as K. Rool comes along with her. And I'd love to have Isaac playable too.

 

[The Light Music Club]

@ ~Krystal~ Your roster is definitely approved of hotness & Sceptile with realistic hard-hitting events that could transpire.

But this is what I wanted to post about:

Not only are they all good-looking especially the Green Samus outfit, but they even gave Samus a DARK SAMUS palette! I don't know if its exact details are that of Dark Samus status & I'm worried because I hope it's almost exact. Sakurai officially said that there will be 8 palettes for every character, so that leak being true for that, not to mention Bowser Jr. getting the Koopalings as his other 7 palettes makes sense now. I'm very excited to see all of the pokemon have their shiny form & others like Blood Falcon & Daisy.

This never did make sense, and it never will. Sakurai isn't stupid enough to make it so if my friend picks Bowser Jr. before me, that I'm forced to play as a Koopaling. Why do you think he gives 4 male villagers and 4 female villagers? So that all 4 players can play as either one.

If I'm forced to play as a Koopaling when my friend plays as Bowser Jr. I will eject my cart and smash it with a hammer.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

You must also remember that the Koopalings don't exactly share the same weight. Bowser Jr. is only really around the same weight league as Larry and Wendy. Lemmy is lighter than Bowser Jr., while Morton, Iggy, Roy, and Ludwig are heavier than him.

Palette swaps are supposed to have the "exact same" attributes, and that can't be done if all the Koopalings are Bowser Jr.'s palette swaps.

 

[AncientTobacco]

I thought the Koopalings were pretty much confirmed as alts by this pic:

Spoiler

This never did make sense, and it never will. Sakurai isn't stupid enough to make it so if my friend picks Bowser Jr. before me, that I'm forced to play as a Koopaling. Why do you think he gives 4 male villagers and 4 female villagers? So that all 4 players can play as either one.

If I'm forced to play as a Koopaling when my friend plays as Bowser Jr. I will eject my cart and smash it with a hammer.

He could just give Bowser Jr. eight or four palette swaps + Koopalings alts. I mean, Wario had different palettes for both of his costumes in Brawl, 12 alts altogether.

 

[Masonomace]

This never did make sense, and it never will. Sakurai isn't stupid enough to make it so if my friend picks Bowser Jr. before me, that I'm forced to play as a Koopaling. Why do you think he gives 4 male villagers and 4 female villagers? So that all 4 players can play as either one.

If I'm forced to play as a Koopaling when my friend plays as Bowser Jr. I will eject my cart and smash it with a hammer.

All I said was that the Koopalings as his alternates makes sense because of the now-real universal 8 palette rule... I'll go on to say that his alternates could be Koopalings, but more likely to originate them just as references to the Koopalings, & not exactly take their appearance, regardless of weight & size (like Daisy & Blood Falcon, not exactly alike, but close enough).

I'm not all for it or against it, but there are characters that have unique qualities / traits over other characters. There can be a first time for everything, & Bowser Jr. could be the very first character in Smash history to have 7 different palette swaps as the 7 Koopalings. Or the alternative, Bowser Jr. can just have alternate palettes of himself with different hairstyles / shades of color to reference to them, there happy?

You must also remember that the Koopalings don't exactly share the same weight. Bowser Jr. is only really around the same weight league as Larry and Wendy. Lemmy is lighter than Bowser Jr., while Morton, Iggy, Roy, and Ludwig are heavier than him.

Palette swaps are supposed to have the "exact same" attributes, and that can't be done if all the Koopalings are Bowser Jr.'s palette swaps.

We're talking about Sakurai here. He's re-sized characters like ---><--- ---><--- etc. . All of their actual weight height & sizes differ completely & he's made them playable to fit in the match. Bowser was considered all different sizes & Dedede in reality is not even a foot in height & they're exactly similar in body size & weight. You tell me Sakurai can't re-size them all to fit in a Koopa Clown Car to fight.
This is something rare that Sakurai has never done before, using Mecha-game-play of a character fighting in a machine. Going way off into fake land, Sakurai could of made a Kario Kart mechanic with Bowser Jr. & his alternates could alter their game-play with different weight / height / mobility / DI / mechanics.

 

[Cruncher93]

Why would choosing a character work different than it does now? If two players choose Red Mario one of them will be of a lighter shade than the other one. Should work just fine with Jr.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I just think that Bowser Jr. is getting ruined here. He's not even classified as a Koopaling.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Why would choosing a character work different than it does now? If two players choose Red Mario one of them will be of a lighter shade than the other one. Should work just fine with Jr.

That's only on team play, which doesn't even work that way anymore. At least I don't think it does.

 

[Masonomace]

Why would choosing a character work different than it does now? If two players choose Red Mario one of them will be of a lighter shade than the other one. Should work just fine with Jr.

In brawl when people tried choosing the same character, one would be Green default Yoshi, & the second person to choose Yoshi would get the next color in line, being Red.

What you posted occurs in Brawl when 3 people are on the same Team color. So if Yoshi was chosen by 3 players to be on the same team, one would be darker & the other would be lighter shaded than the default Red Yoshi.

EDIT: I forget how it was done in Smash 64 & Melee, but I'm sure it was the same.

I just think that Bowser Jr. is getting ruined here. He's not even classified as a Koopaling.

Apparently the Koopalings came first before Bowser Jr. I'd say it's the other way around since fans have criticized Bowser Jr. for stealing their spotlight.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I honestly believe that Sheik could very well get an Impa at this point. In fact, I think its incredibly possible Sakurai intended to replace Sheik with Impa, but later decided to keep Sheik as an alt costume and advertise Sheik returning rather than Impa. Naturally, this could mean Impa could have been added as a late clone, too. I'm open to the possibility, although I'm not fully sure on it.

And yeah, Alph was mentioned as an Olimar alt.

Orrrrr... Chorus Men could be too gimmicky in the end, like Ice Climbers, and at the last moment Sakurai decides to replace them with Impa as a full character.

Still thinking that a Zelda newcomer is very likely, and Impa is King of the Hill of this department.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Orrrrr... Chorus Men could be too gimmicky in the end, like Ice Climbers, and at the last moment Sakurai decides to replace them with Impa as a full character.

Still thinking that a Zelda newcomer is very likely, and Impa is King of the Hill of this department.

I agree that Impa is King of the Hill for a Zelda newcomer, disagree on it being likely at this point. If Sakurai can't put the effort to make Ganondorf original, I can't see him put forward the effort to add a new Zelda character, either.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Apparently the Koopalings came first before Bowser Jr. I'd say it's the other way around since fans have criticized Bowser Jr. for stealing their spotlight.

That's quite ironic when you take into account that Bowser Jr. isn't even classified as a Koopaling; he's a higher-ranked member of the Koopa Troop, which is evidenced by the fact that you don't fight him in any of the castle courses.

Also, in the ending of New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Bowser Jr. tells Larry to help the other Koopalings pick up Bowser, which further proves his ranking superiority.

 

[Burruni]

I agree that Impa is King of the Hill for a Zelda newcomer, disagree on it being likely at this point. If Sakurai can't put the effort to make Ganondorf original, I can't see him put forward the effort to add a new Zelda character, either.

Y'know. I'm just gonna state this here. There's a large group of people who enjoy Falcondorf that are drowned out by the vocal group that complain about his lack of using swords or magic.

And that happens to also be Sakurai's main. The only hope that a non-falcondorf Gerudo King or Impa would truly have had in this current roster is if Hyrule Warriors came out about a year earlier.

If we are going to get a Zelda newcomer, which I doubt at this point, I see it being Tetra running on the theme of all a Pirate character has to offer which would give the "Toon" representation of Zelda 1/3rd of the size which is fair given the Minish Cap/FourSwords/FSA Link has the same design as Ww/PH/ST Toon Link meaning he is biggere than just the three games people normally tie him into.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I agree that Impa is King of the Hill for a Zelda newcomer, disagree on it being likely at this point. If Sakurai can't put the effort to make Ganondorf original, I can't see him put forward the effort to add a new Zelda character, either.

He did the same in Brawl, in a way. I doubt Impa as a Sheik clone would take more effort than turning into .

 

[Maxilian]

You must also remember that the Koopalings don't exactly share the same weight. Bowser Jr. is only really around the same weight league as Larry and Wendy. Lemmy is lighter than Bowser Jr., while Morton, Iggy, Roy, and Ludwig are heavier than him.

Palette swaps are supposed to have the "exact same" attributes, and that can't be done if all the Koopalings are Bowser Jr.'s palette swaps.

That can be done, just done apply those rules here, i mean... these's not Mario Kart 8

 

[The Light Music Club]

Yeah, even though I'm not a Zelda fan, I think it's kind of sad that the series has two clone like characters.

Here's hoping for Lana in the next Smash!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Today is the last day to rate in the RTC, you all should rate today, it feels bittersweet, as I won't be seeing much of @Groose anymore after the ratings, I gotta make my rating count.

 

[Masonomace]

That's quite ironic when you take into account that Bowser Jr. isn't even classified as a Koopaling; he's a higher-ranked member of the Koopa Troop, which is evidenced by the fact that you don't fight him in any of the castle courses.

Also, in the ending of New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Bowser Jr. tells Larry to help the other Koopalings pick up Bowser, which further proves his ranking superiority.

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Now that! Was educational.

Isn't Bowser Jr. 2nd in command for being Mario's 2nd biggest antagonist or something? I do find it odd that the Koopalings appeared much earlier than Bowser Jr. did. And that order without watching it transpire on a screen, sounds like he told Larry to do it out of laziness.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Yeah, even though I'm not a Zelda fan, I think it's kind of sad that the series has two clone like characters.

Here's hoping for Lana in the next Smash!

As much as I'd like this, Hyrule Warriors is Non-Canon, so all we can hope is that Lana is in the Zelda game for Wii U or something like that, otherwise she's assist trophy material, just like Waluigi.

 

[Maxilian]

I just think that Bowser Jr. is getting ruined here. He's not even classified as a Koopaling.

Why should he be classified as a Koopaling? he's not a Koopaling so why would he be in the same category as the rest of the Koopalings

 

[JaidynReiman]

Yeah, even though I'm not a Zelda fan, I think it's kind of sad that the series has two clone like characters.

Here's hoping for Lana in the next Smash!

Hell no. Lana is WORSE than Ghirahim; at least Ghirahim is a major Zelda villain from a real Zelda game. Hyrule Warriors isn't bad, but there's no way Lana, a spinoff character potentially not even owned by Nintendo, will make it into Smash Bros. over actual Zelda characters.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Hell no. Lana is WORSE than Ghirahim; at least Ghirahim is a major Zelda villain from a real Zelda game. Hyrule Warriors isn't bad, but there's no way Lana, a spinoff character potentially not even owned by Nintendo, will make it into Smash Bros. over actual Zelda characters.

Actually, Nintendo indeed had involvement in the development of Hyrule Warriors, so Lana is Nintendo. The only way she would be third party is if Nintendo wasn't involved in the development, like was the case for Geno

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Why should he be classified as a Koopaling? he's not a Koopaling so why would he be in the same category as the rest of the Koopalings

The fact that the Koopalings are presumably his palette swaps may explain something here. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[Maxilian]

The fact that the Koopalings are presumably his palette swaps may explain something here. It just doesn't make sense.

Well we have Mr. Game & Watch (2-D character) figthing R.O.B (a controller), Marth (a character that was completely unknown here a couple of years ago) and Zero Suit Samus... so don't think to much about it