Character Discussion Thread

[Depressed Gengar]

I can't imagine him doing a Falcon Punch nor the Raptor Boost at all.

Yeah, I can't imagine Ganondorf doing it either... Oh, wait.

 

[Deleted member]

I can't imagine him doing a Falcon Punch nor the Raptor Boost at all.

Stingray Thrust and Samurai Lunge.


....you're welcome.

 

[Gunla]

What happened to the little monkey?

I'm currently thinking he's possibly getting released Friday. US release is a nice shoehorn.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Yeah, I can't imagine Ganondorf doing it either... Oh, wait.

To be fair, Ganondorf and Falcon have similar builds, which led to Ganondorf being a clone in Melee. Are Goroh and Falcon similar in build?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Watch, Cranky Kong is going to reveal tomorrow that he is in Smash Bros.

#TeamCranky

Our Lord shall return form the ashes to purge the sin of this world.

Back in our day, he died for our sins and turned water into wine, and we liked it!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Little Mac, Mega Man, and to an even greater extent Rosalina add something to the game that no other characters have: a power meter, a projectile-based moveset, and a puppeteer. WFT and Villager bring completely different styles of playing/fighting (health-based moveset and collecting).

So what? Snake brought something no other character had, as did Zero Suit Samus, Pit, and Meta Knight. And Villager is reminiscent of Mr. Game & Watch and Rosalina & Luma are reminiscent of Pikmin & Olimar.

He's always done this. And even if this was anything new, what makes you think it rules out any character sharing moves with others?

 

[Espio264]

A random reveal by Sakurai.

However, Cranky Kong is goin' reveal himself (get your minds out of the gutter) tomorrow on Twitter.

You must be some kind of witch or psychic or something. I don't tell anybody that I keep my mind in the gutter.

On to the point at hand, If Cranky reveals himself a newcomer and Sakurai reveals "Random character," do the two reveals contradict each other? Do they cancel out or does Cranky get seniority? Can Cranky veto Sakurai's reveal via Twitter, or is that not how Twitter works? Honestly I'm very interested in this.

And I just scarfed down a whole lotta jelly beans.

 

[Hotfeet444]

No time for Semi-clones this time around, it's all about the uniqueness, and everyone is offering something different.

Villager: Huge moveset consisting of items and abilities from Animal Crossing as well as classic Nintendo franchises such as Balloon Fighter.
MegaMan: Heavy Projectile character with first projectile Smash attack and neutral jabs
Wii Fit Trainer: Fights using exercises
Rosalina: Uses a puppet moveset with the Luma unlike anything seen before
Little Mac: Punching moveset using a power bar
Ridley: Character with strong aerial capabilities and unique aerial combos
King K.Rool: Versatile heavyweight with alot of personality
Tetra: A pirate fighting style with several items from Wind Waker
Shulk: A swordsman with a level-up system
Takamaru: Combo-heavy swordsman with unique ninja like items
Robin: Stance Change character
Pac-Man: Uses a super unique fighting style based around eating and Power Berries
Mewtwo: Heavyweight psychic fighter with unique burst like attacks and psychic playstyle

We have what we need, to hell with Semi-clones at this point. Uniqueness is king.

 

[Deleted member]

Our Lord shall return form the ashes to purge the sin of this world.

Back in our day, he died for our sins and turned water into wine, and we liked it!

And all it took him was 3 lives and 3 continues.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Since I'm unique, I'm shoo in.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

To be fair, Ganondorf and Falcon have similar builds, which led to Ganondorf being a clone in Melee. Are Goroh and Falcon similar in build?

That's not a fair excuse. He has way more similar body build than Toon Link, Pichu, and Wolf.

Are we really arguing against Samurai Goroh being a semi-clone of Captain Falcon?

 

[Deleted member]

You must be some kind of witch or psychic or something. I don't tell anybody that I keep my mind in the gutter.

On to the point at hand, If Cranky reveals himself a newcomer and Sakurai reveals "Random character," do the two reveals contradict each other? Do they cancel out or does Cranky get seniority? Can Cranky veto Sakurai's reveal via Twitter, or is that not how Twitter works? Honestly I'm very interested in this.

And I just scarfed down a whole lotta jelly beans.

No, I meant the next reveal by Sakurai will be a random one, while Cranky will reveal himself, not Sakurai.

 

[TumblrFamous]

So what? Snake brought something no other character had, as did Zero Suit Samus, Pit, and Meta Knight. And Villager is reminiscent of Mr. Game & Watch and Rosalina & Luma are reminiscent of Pikmin & Olimar.

He's always done this. And even if this was anything new, what makes you think it rules out any character sharing moves with others?

What did Pit and Meta Knight bring? Not criticizing your argument, but I need to see what they did.

Yes, Villager is generally a very gimmicky character like G&W, so that's fair. Though Villager has a unique ability to collect projectiles and regular items in matches and use them again at any time (it seems to be very important to Sakurai as he stressed it in the Smash Direct in June). And Rosalina/Luma aren't like Pikmin and Olimar. Yes, they are both generally one character in command using another to make it fare better in matches, but the player has little control over the Pikmin, it's Olimar who they really control. Meanwhile, with Rosalina/Luma, you have more control over both characters than with Pikmin/Olimar.

 

[Espio264]

No time for Semi-clones this time around, it's all about the uniqueness, and everyone is offering something different.

Villager: Huge moveset consisting of items and abilities from Animal Crossing as well as classic Nintendo franchises such as Balloon Fighter.
MegaMan: Heavy Projectile character with first projectile Smash attack and neutral jabs
Wii Fit Trainer: Fights using exercises
Rosalina: Uses a puppet moveset with the Luma unlike anything seen before
Little Mac: Punching moveset using a power bar
Ridley: Character with strong aerial capabilities and unique aerial combos
King K.Rool: Versatile heavyweight with alot of personality
Tetra: A pirate fighting style with several items from Wind Waker
Shulk: A swordsman with a level-up system
Takamaru: Combo-heavy swordsman with unique ninja like items
Robin: Stance Change character
Pac-Man: Uses a super unique fighting style based around eating and Power Berries
Mewtwo: Heavyweight psychic fighter with unique burst like attacks and psychic playstyle

We have what we need, to hell with Semi-clones at this point. Uniqueness is king.

See now, this makes me want a real "Hell" stage. And all of the previously cut characters and proposed but not good enough semi-clones can be seen wandering around lost and tormented but completely oblivious to the battle at hand. That'd be rad, and horrible all at the same time.

It could be Hades' home stage. You know if we get him.

No, I meant the next reveal by Sakurai will be a random one, while Cranky will reveal himself, not Sakurai.

Exactly. But if Cranky and Sakurai reveal at the same time, does one render the other useless? Basically, who would win in a fight, Sakurai or Cranky?

Picturing that made me sad.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

What did Pit and Meta Knight bring? Not criticizing your argument, but I need to see what they did.

A hell of a lot more than punching, lasers, springs, and throwing objects. Meta Knight had super fast swordplay combined with flying.

Yes, Villager is generally a very gimmicky character like G&W, so that's fair. Though Villager has a unique ability to collect projectiles and regular items in matches and use them again at any time (it seems to be very important to Sakurai as he stressed it in the Smash Direct in June). And Rosalina/Luma aren't like Pikmin and Olimar. Yes, they are both generally one character in command using another to make it fare better in matches, but the player has little control over the Pikmin, it's Olimar who they really control. Meanwhile, with Rosalina/Luma, you have more control over both characters than with Pikmin/Olimar.

Yes, these characters are unique. Just like Snake and Zero Suit Samus. I still don't see what this has to do with there not being semi-clones. It means literally nothing.

 

[TumblrFamous]

No time for Semi-clones this time around, it's all about the uniqueness, and everyone is offering something different.

Villager: Huge moveset consisting of items and abilities from Animal Crossing as well as classic Nintendo franchises such as Balloon Fighter.
MegaMan: Heavy Projectile character with first projectile Smash attack and neutral jabs
Wii Fit Trainer: Fights using exercises
Rosalina: Uses a puppet moveset with the Luma unlike anything seen before
Little Mac: Punching moveset using a power bar
Ridley: Character with strong aerial capabilities and unique aerial combos
King K.Rool: Versatile heavyweight with alot of personality
Tetra: A pirate fighting style with several items from Wind Waker
Shulk: A swordsman with a level-up system
Takamaru: Combo-heavy swordsman with unique ninja like items
Robin: Stance Change character
Pac-Man: Uses a super unique fighting style based around eating and Power Berries
Mewtwo: Heavyweight psychic fighter with unique burst like attacks and psychic playstyle

We have what we need, to hell with Semi-clones at this point. Uniqueness is king.

...Yes, only I would have just argued with the 5 we have confirmed, but still true. The five newcomers we have have distinct moves and abilities that are seen by no other in this game that contribute to the overall playstyle of that character.

 

[False Sense]

See now, this makes me want a real "Hell" stage. And all of the previously cut characters and proposed but not good enough semi-clones can be seen wandering around lost and tormented but completely oblivious to the battle at hand. That'd be rad, and horrible all at the same time.

It could be Hades' home stage. You know if we get him.

Wouldn't Hades be one of those background characters though?

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Let's cook up a new topic.
The pun should be pretty obvious of who I'm referring to.
Don't base him off his likeliness. Base him off of his uniqueness.

 

[Espio264]

Wouldn't Hades be one of those background characters though?

Give this man a big 'ol cookie. He's clever.

But who would Hades be a semi-clone of?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Let's cook up a new topic.
The pun should be pretty obvious of who I'm referring to.
Don't base him off his likeliness. Base him off of his uniqueness.

...Can his final smash be a giant robot with a fish in his fridge?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

...Yes, only I would have just argued with the 5 we have confirmed, but still true. The five newcomers we have have distinct moves and abilities that are seen by no other in this game that contribute to the overall playstyle of that character.

Let's review! Characters in Brawl that brought something entirely new:

Zero Suit Samus: Whip-like weapon based play style
Snake: Play style heavily based on new military weaponry
Meta Knight: Super fast swordplay combined with flight
Wario: A Bike and farting.
Ike: Heavy Swordplay
Pokemon Trainer: Trio tag team

How many clones/semi-clones were added to Brawl again? Three to be exact.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Yes, these characters are unique. Just like Snake and Zero Suit Samus. I still don't see what this has to do with there not being semi-clones. It means literally nothing.

The fact that the five we have bring something completely new that diversifies their playstyle make people believe Sakurai is only going for very unique characters. The time of adding characters the way he did in previous games is over: many people, myself included, believe that there aren't that many characters that need to be added, so many people can believe that the bar is set high for newcomers. It's my opinion: in this game, there is a bar, and as such, the more unique newcomers will get over other newcomers, similar to a priority list.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

...Because he would share moves with Captain Falcon. Just because he has a sword doesn't mean he's gonna use it.

He used his sword as an assist trophy, why would he not use it as a playable character?

 

[False Sense]

Give this man a big 'ol cookie. He's clever.

But who would Hades be a semi-clone of?

Well, I just figured a "Hell" stage would likely also feature characters who were considered, but didn't make the final cut, which seems like a possible scenario if Palutena becomes the second Kid Icarus rep.

But Hades could probably be a clone of Ganondorf.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

...Can his final smash be a giant robot with a fish in his fridge?

Speaking of which, remember that dare?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Give this man a big 'ol cookie. He's clever.

But who would Hades be a semi-clone of?

Wii Fit Trainer.

Also, Ridley needs air grabs. Attacks that have the same animations and effects as his regular grabs except you can preform them in the air! The down throw would be a possible meteor smash.

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[Hotfeet444]

Yes, because going off of what happened in Brawl really makes sense when now in Smash 4 Sakurai himself clearly stated that he wants the newcomers to be as unique as possible when nothing of said stature was made during Brawl's development...failed logic is failed.

Speaking of which, remember that dare?

I do not.

 

[Espio264]

Let's review! Characters in Brawl that brought something entirely new:

Zero Suit Samus: Whip-like weapon based play style
Snake: Play style heavily based on new military weaponry
Meta Knight: Super fast swordplay combined with flight
Wario: A Bike and farting.
Ike: Heavy Swordplay
Pokemon Trainer: Trio tag team

How many clones/semi-clones were added to Brawl again? Three to be exact.

I don't know, ZSS and Sonic had the same kinda down kick thing going. Who's to say what's a clone and what's not? What is reality? OH GOD! I CAN SEE THE MATRIX!
Samus was prettier than Sonic though, maybe you're right.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I do not.

The one with you doing a moveset for Chef Kawasaki.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Let's review! Characters in Brawl that brought something entirely new:

Zero Suit Samus: Whip-like weapon based play style
Snake: Play style heavily based on new military weaponry
Meta Knight: Super fast swordplay combined with flight
Wario: A Bike and farting.
Ike: Heavy Swordplay
Pokemon Trainer: Trio tag team

How many clones/semi-clones were added to Brawl again? Three to be exact.

And those characters were: Toon Link, Wolf, and Lucas. Two of those 3 were last-minute additions, as supported by Brawl's data.

I am positive there are newcomers being created that are semi-clones, but not as many as we have seen in previous games, and these characters, if necessary, will not get over the more unique newcomers, making them less of a priority.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

He used his sword as an assist trophy, why would he not use it as a playable character?

Because Assist Trophies and playable characters are two different things. First of all, Sakurai wasn't making an entire move set for him so he had time, second of all he wasn't a playable character so it made sense for him to be different from Captain Falcon. That's like trying to justify Ganondorf having a sword in Brawl because he showed it off so much in Melee.

Having Samurai Goroh use his sword as an assist trophy makes sense. But, not when he's a playable character alongside Captain Falcon.

 

[Deleted member]

Exactly. But if Cranky and Sakurai reveal at the same time, does one render the other useless? Basically, who would win in a fight, Sakurai or Cranky?

Picturing that made me sad.

Cranky.
Sakurai must respect his elders.
And since the "random reveal" would most likely be Diddy due to Tropical Freeze....Diddy knows better than to argue with Cranky.

 

[Espio264]

But Hades could probably be a clone of Ganondorf.

If you clone a clone, what do you get?

Wolf and Falco essentially branch off from the same batch, but if Hades is direct Ganonspawn, does Captain Falcon get a new moveset? Will Captain Falcon allow it?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

And those characters were: Toon Link, Wolf, and Lucas. Two of those 3 were last-minute additions, as supported by Brawl's data.

I am positive there are newcomers being created that are semi-clones, but not as many as we have seen in previous games, and these characters, if necessary, will not get over the more unique newcomers, making them less of a priority.

Again, your logic is faulty.

1. Only 2 of those characters were last to be implemented
2. Being the last to be implemented can be for several reasons unrelated to your move set
3. Being the last to be implemented does not at all mean you were even close to not making the cut
4. You can't be positive that there are less than Brawl
5. Having a semi-clone move set does not determine every character's priority. Again look at Lucas

I don't mean to sound rude, but why are you still trying to convince me there will be no semi-clones?

 

[False Sense]

If you clone a clone, what do you get?

Wolf and Falco essentially branch off from the same batch, but if Hades is direct Ganonspawn, does Captain Falcon get a new moveset? Will Captain Falcon allow it?

Maybe Hades could inherit Ganondorf's moveset while Ganondorf actually uses his sword.

But this is rather off topic at this point.

 

[Hotfeet444]

The one with you doing a moveset for Chef Kawasaki.

I'll get to it in a bit, but for now I have some college work to work on.

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe Hades could inherit Ganondorf's moveset while Ganondorf actually uses his sword.

But this is rather off topic at this point.

How is discussing about a character off-topic in the Official Character Discussion thread?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ganondorf's sword wouldn't bring anything newer than his current move set. So why bother when we're already facing constraints?

 

[Espio264]

Maybe Hades could inherit Ganondorf's moveset while Ganondorf actually uses his sword.

But this is rather off topic at this point.

Hades is a viable character possibility. As is a possible tweaked Ganondorf. We're on topic. Plus I don't know about the Kirby cook anyway.

Ganondorf's sword wouldn't bring anything newer than his current move set. So why bother when we're already facing constraints?

I don't know, if they were to have him wave it around in one of his taunts and have the potential to whack and thus K.O. another player like how Luigi's taunt can kick you, I wouldn't really consider it change to the moveset, but I would giggle with delight.

 

[False Sense]

How is discussing about a character off-topic in the Official Character Discussion thread?

Kind of because we're going off about what was basically a small joke on my part, and it's not really related to what the rest of the people here are talking about. I guess it isn't terribly off topic, though.