• Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!

    You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!

Character Discussion Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
Xenorange

Xenorange

Smash Lord
Joined
May 19, 2014
Messages
1,693
Location
Georgia
JamesDNaux said:
I wouldn't say so, Shadow the Hedgehog is a far more appropriate comparison.

"Dark, edgy version of the main protagonist who's ambiguously a good guy yet still makes you want to beat his face in."

At least that's the impression I got when I played Uprising, though Pittoo is 100 times better than Shadow.
Click to expand...
False, Shadow is far superior. Let's play the opinion game.
 
Morbi

Morbi

Scavenger
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
17,168
Location
Speculation God, GOML
Speed said:
Who cares if he plays favorites? We'd still be getting a great game with tons of different characters to play as.
Click to expand...
Indeed, one can only make the logical assumption that every character on the roster is a result of Sakurai's bias as he decided who was and was not on the roster. It is not as though Dark Pit is an inherently bad choice either, most clones are ways for lesser known/loved characters to have a chance in the game because everyone else wants "muh all-star super awesome prominent characters."
 
Weeman

Weeman

Smash Crusader
Joined
May 5, 2014
Messages
5,279
Location
México
JamesDNaux said:
I wouldn't say so, Shadow the Hedgehog is a far more appropriate comparison.

"Dark, edgy version of the main protagonist who's ambiguously a good guy yet still makes you want to beat his face in."

At least that's the impression I got when I played Uprising, though Pittoo is 100 times better than Shadow.
Click to expand...
1396309250519.png

Damn! I'm gonna wreck your damn faker face with the damn 4th chaos emerald!
 
Morbi

Morbi

Scavenger
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
17,168
Location
Speculation God, GOML
Speed said:
oh, and all of the attacks too....
Don't forget the voice.
And the back-story.
Also the role in the game...
I'm done.
Click to expand...
Are you trying to assert that Dark Pit is his own character despite being the mirror image of Pit? Impossible. Everyone comprehends that if a character is aesthetically similar... that they are the same exact character.

Masonomace said:
Dark Pit. . .why didn't you just become an evil robot so no one would look at you & call you a full-blown clone. . :4sonic:
Click to expand...
If only... then he could shoot lasers.
 
Burruni

Burruni

Smash Hero
Joined
Jul 8, 2014
Messages
9,408
Location
Some Netherworld
GunGunW said:
Is Dark Pit basically the Meta Knight of Kid Icarus?
Click to expand...
If you took off the mask and shoulder-pads, kinda.

He's a character that made his stance on being an anarchistic mirrored entity from Pit infused with the powers of the Goddess of Chaos, Pandora. Through the game he has a resentment for Pit and Palutena for how they blindly follow what they feel is good, swaps through many weapons that Pit could use, but in many times showed himself more powerful on his own. Over time, he joins up alongside Pit and Viridi due to there being a great common enemy. He grows to respect the goddesses and Pit, but doesn't really stick around due to them being a bit obnoxious for his tastes.

He has the potential to be an anti-clone who looks like Pit but has a very unique playstyle revolving around many weapons that Pit doesn't use... but that is the best case scenario. Due to the simularities he would likely end up having as a character, it is much more logical for him to be a color change/costume with a unique voice pack and crowd cheer/announcement call.
 
JamesDNaux

JamesDNaux

Smash Hero
Joined
Jun 14, 2013
Messages
7,760
Location
Studio Naux
NNID
JamesDNaux
Xenorange said:
False, Shadow is far superior. Let's play the opinion game.
Click to expand...
Well you like Shadow more, and that's just fine. Though, and I'm saying this as respectfully as possible, the Sonic games have always had pretty terrible characterization. He hasn't even changed much over the entire Sonic franchise, Sakurai managed to pack way more characterization into a single game. I mean, I love Sonic for the gameplay, and I didn't particularly like Uprising's gameplay, but the character interactions completely made the game for me, I kept playing just to listen to them talk. As for Sonic, well... [collapse=] IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANCE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE![/collapse]
There isn't really any good dialogue, for any of the characters, not just Shadow.
 
Espio264

Espio264

Smash Ace
Joined
Jul 22, 2013
Messages
717
MorbidAltruism said:
More evidence to support Dark Pit as an alternate costume. Interesting assertion.

Evidence that Dark Pit is an alternate costume...
1. Presumptuous precedent that is not necessarily feasible precedent as Dark Pit was not the character Dark Pit at the time of his conception.
2. Dark Pit is literally a clone, so he is an alternate costume (self-referential incoherence is evidence if you do not point it out).
3. Kid Icarus arbitrarily "deserves" only one newcomer unless that newcomer is Hades or Medusa, of course!
Click to expand...
1. I acknowledge that the character has become something more since his initial inception in Brawl, however that doesn't prove he'll be anything more in this game.
2. If he is literally a clone, then he'd act the same way. But if they don't change his attacks/idles/gait, he'd be nothing more than a costume/palette swap.
3. I stopped reading sentences you compose with any form of "arbitrary" weeks ago.

Weeman said:
They can give him a different idle stance and animations for attacks, think of it like Wolf, wich unlike Falco, actually had a similar build to Fox, so they gave him different animations to his attacks to make up for that, and thus he no longer felt like a clone, even though his model was still based on Fox's. They can do something similar to Dark Pit.
Click to expand...
You make a whole lot of sense with this, but no one has ever brought up Wolf's stance as argument. All I ever get is "Lucina's a clone!" and "He can be a clone and have all different attacks!"

Congratulations, you're the first person to make me consider the possibility. Still don't think he's anywhere near as likely as the bandwagon will tell you though.

MorbidAltruism said:
Dark Pit is basically the Dark Link of Kid Icarus. :troll:
Click to expand...
See, now when you say things like this, it'll lead people to believe that you don't believe what you say about Dark Pit either.
 
BluePikmin11

BluePikmin11

Akko is my dear daughter!
Joined
Jan 5, 2013
Messages
28,373
Location
https://twitter.com/BPikmin11
NNID
blue
JaidynReiman said:
Which obviously makes his bias for his own characters show. And he typically doesn't bias it, that's why I don't buy this notion of KI getting a third rep or Kirby getting a fourth.
Click to expand...
He must be biased for FE too.. I don't think you can use bias as an argument, especially considering the fact he's just adding clones to pad the roster, meaning representation can't be used as an argument.

GunGunW said:
Is Dark Pit basically the Meta Knight of Kid Icarus?
Click to expand...
The potential to be broken? maaaybe, I would personally love to see that happen.

Pizzanigs said:
What suggests that Dark Pit would use any of these? If anything, we have evidence supporting the fact that he'd be a Pit clone (Lucina).
Click to expand...
He could be last minute semi clone and still gets some rather big changes like Wolf, whom was one of the last minute semi-clones in Brawl. I'm betting he'll be Luigified at least trading the Pit's Arrow for the Dark Pit Staff, which is his one of his main weapons.
 
Last edited:
GunGunW

GunGunW

Smash Lord
Joined
Apr 18, 2014
Messages
1,802
Location
Mushroom Kingdom
NNID
GunGunW
JamesDNaux said:
I wouldn't say so, Shadow the Hedgehog is a far more appropriate comparison.

"Dark, edgy version of the main protagonist who's ambiguously a good guy yet still makes you want to beat his face in."

At least that's the impression I got when I played Uprising, though Pittoo is 100 times better than Shadow.
Click to expand...
At least Shadow is visually distinct. I mean, uh.... Yeah Dark Pit is way better than Shadow!
 
Weeman

Weeman

Smash Crusader
Joined
May 5, 2014
Messages
5,279
Location
México
JamesDNaux said:
Well you like Shadow more, and that's just fine. Though, and I'm saying this as respectfully as possible, the Sonic games have always had pretty terrible characterization. He hasn't even changed much over the entire Sonic franchise, Sakurai managed to pack way more characterization into a single game. I mean, I love Sonic for the gameplay, and I didn't particularly like Uprising's gameplay, but the character interactions completely made the game for me, I kept playing just to listen to them talk. As for Sonic, well... [collapse=] IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANCE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE![/collapse]
There isn't really any good dialogue, for any of the characters, not just Shadow.
Click to expand...
WELL YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER!
 
Xenorange

Xenorange

Smash Lord
Joined
May 19, 2014
Messages
1,693
Location
Georgia
JamesDNaux said:
Well you like Shadow more, and that's just fine. Though, and I'm saying this as respectfully as possible, the Sonic games have always had pretty terrible characterization. He hasn't even changed much over the entire Sonic franchise, Sakurai managed to pack way more characterization into a single game. I mean, I love Sonic for the gameplay, and I didn't particularly like Uprising's gameplay, but the character interactions completely made the game for me, I kept playing just to listen to them talk. As for Sonic, well... [collapse=] IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANCE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE! IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE![/collapse]
There isn't really any good dialogue, for any of the characters, not just Shadow.
Click to expand...
Fair enough, that's why I read the comics. So to me at least Shadow's a very developed character, and I really like him because of that.
@ Weeman Weeman nice avatar. You Just obtained so
Many cool points.
 
Last edited:
Morbi

Morbi

Scavenger
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
17,168
Location
Speculation God, GOML
Espio264 said:
1. I acknowledge that the character has become something more since his initial inception in Brawl, however that doesn't prove he'll be anything more in this game.
2. If he is literally a clone, then he'd act the same way. But if they don't change his attacks/idles/gait, he'd be nothing more than a costume/palette swap.
3. I stopped reading sentences you compose with any form of "arbitrary" weeks ago.



You make a whole lot of sense with this, but no one has ever brought up Wolf's stance as argument. All I ever get is "Lucina's a clone!" and "He can be a clone and have all different attacks!"

Congratulations, you're the first person to make me consider the possibility. Still don't think he's anywhere near as likely as the bandwagon will tell you though.



See, now when you say things like this, it'll lead people to believe that you don't believe what you say about Dark Pit either.
Click to expand...
Indeed, therefore there is no observable precedent as many seem to insinuate.

No ****.

So you arbitrarily stopped reading my sentences if I called something arbitrary?

I do not care if people do not believe what I say about Dark Pit, I am just here to list the reasons for his inclusion if anyone is interested or defend him from those who presume that he would be an alternate costume because they do not want him on the roster.
 
Weeman

Weeman

Smash Crusader
Joined
May 5, 2014
Messages
5,279
Location
México
Espio264 said:
You make a whole lot of sense with this, but no one has ever brought up Wolf's stance as argument. All I ever get is "Lucina's a clone!" and "He can be a clone and have all different attacks!"

Congratulations, you're the first person to make me consider the possibility. Still don't think he's anywhere near as likely as the bandwagon will tell you though.
Click to expand...
Well the reason why we mention this is because of his model (and possibly voice clips) already existing in the game, just like Lucina, so it wouldn't be hard to make some adjustments and make him a semi clone. Do keep in mind that i don't think he is super likely or anything, i'd give him a 45% at best.
 
JamesDNaux

JamesDNaux

Smash Hero
Joined
Jun 14, 2013
Messages
7,760
Location
Studio Naux
NNID
JamesDNaux
Xenorange said:
Fair enough, that is why I read the comics. So to me at least Shadow's a very developed character, and I really like him because of that.
Click to expand...
Yeah, I don't care for anything outside of the actual games themselves, as playing the game is all I care about. So at least from my perspective, Sonic characters are all pretty one-sided with a single, overly used character trait. Like Amy's obsession with Sonic.

It'd be nice if Sega could figure out how actual people work and incorporate that into their character's personalities.

And how could I forget that damn thing that those damn guys pointed out, of course I need the damn fourth Chaos Emerald. :troll:
 
Last edited:
Xenorange

Xenorange

Smash Lord
Joined
May 19, 2014
Messages
1,693
Location
Georgia
JamesDNaux said:
Yeah, I don't care for anything outside of the actual games themselves, as playing the game is all I care about. So at least from my perspective, Sonic characters are all pretty one-sided with a single, overly used character trait. Like Amy's obsession with Sonic.

It'd be nice if Sega could figure out how actual people work and incorporate that into their character's personalities.

And how could I forget that damn thing that those damn guys pointed out, of course I need the damn fourth Chaos Emerald. :troll:
Click to expand...
I'm getting the feeling that Sonic Boom might have some decent characterization (as much as I hate to admit it). The tv show + the games gives Sega plenty of opportunities to beef out Sonic and his pals' personalities. (in a certain echidna's case the beefing is literal). Don't let me down BIGREDBUTTON.
 
Masonomace

Masonomace

Yeah Shulk, get stuck in!
Joined
Apr 10, 2010
Messages
4,622
Location
Independence, MO
NNID
Masonomace
@ FalcoPaunch!121 FalcoPaunch!121 <3

@ MagnesD3 MagnesD3

Why is Charizard being discussed? He's already confirmed.

Is that Bio Rex grabbing all that money? He actually won a F-Zero Grand Prix?!?

Oh yeah Mewtwo's legit. I want Mega Mewtwo X for Final Smash.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom