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I kinda like the idea of Bandee. But this image sorta sums up my thoughts on having a polearm wielder on the cast that's not Palutena.
Really, I'm very lost at this point.
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Yeah it's probably best just to leave a ? near Mach Rider's gender and be done with itReally, I'm very lost at this point.
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, Little Mac and Pac-Man are our retro characters.
Thinking about it, Ganon would make a much more unique spear-weilder than Bandana Dee.
Wait, how so?
What is so bad about having Ganon replace Ganondorf?
If only Ganon was more visible in a Link Between Worlds.
The difference between BD and the one's you listed is that you can't really make up a scheme for BD without scrapping his cute little spear and silyl headband. The mii's have nothing (and everything) as a movepool, Pac-Man hasn't shown enough of a moveset that even proves it's unique yet, Mac is the only one I'll cede, and his really is just the classic gimped boxer, and Rosalina's makes sense.
Because it's still having a newcomer replace a worthy veteran, even if they are the same being.
They're the same character, though. There hasn't been a Zelda game where Ganondorf and Ganon didn't co-exist, either.
Who cares if they're the same character, it's smash bros, not some intricate story driven massive story arc. Ganon won't get in because he's not popular, relevant, or needed enough, but not because him and Ganondorf are the same
Zelda and Shiek? Two Links? Mario and Doctor Mario?
That's not really classic Ganon though. It's just a nod to him.
I guess these guys never existed in the main timeline.
They're still called "Ganon".
Damn, you're right. Those two appearances which look way different and behave way different than Wizard Ganon totally means that the other completely different Ganon couldn't possibly be even smash bros. What would be people think when they saw a Ganon who's different than ganondorf playable when he clearly had two important roles in recent zelda games and not the great Ghiriam playable?
I guess these guys never existed in the main timeline.
I'm not worried about Ghirahim threatening Ganon's chances. Relevancy is a bull argument, this isn't Melee anymore, where Ocarina of Time=The entire Zelda franchise. Rosalina at least appeared in a couple spinoff games and a main Mario title, AND she represents the Galaxy series, so she had at least a bit of a resume to make a name for herself. Ghirahim is a notable oneshot villain, whose claim to fame is being somewhat responsible for an objectively important game in the Zelda timeline, and in being in a Zelda crossover. Relevancy =/= recency.
Ganon and Palutena wield polearms, and use magic as their primary means of attack. But whereas Palutena is small, lightweight, and a goddess of light, Ganon is heavyweight, huge, and a King of Evil.
I agree with Kenith, those are not "nods" to classic Ganon, those are quite literally different variants of Ganon.
Okay. Are Link and Toon Link the same person?
Pit was a popular choice at the time of his inclusion, and he was still considered a retro character based on not having a new game before Brawl.
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That's because I don't think there is anything going for him. A Spear =/= fireballs, fludd/ mario's jumping. It maybe's is the equivalent to jjust his jumping, a lackluster yet signature attritubr that by itself would not make mario an exciting character.
Medusa, while not a heavy weight, is and always was anti-Palutena.
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Nope.
Wait, are you trying to offend me by sarcastically calling Ghirahim "great"? How mature.
I use the word "representative" as it is synonymous with character and the more accurate term regardless of whether or not people believe that it is relevant or not.
In the same way that an ant does not threaten a god, Ghirahim does not threaten Ganon... or I would say that if Ghirahim were not the blatantly obvious choice!
I just don't get your arguments and the only thing that seems to make sense is that you hate anyone who's not ghiriam from Zelda
It's a Smash crossover, having foils and archenemies doesn't necessarily limit such characters to single franchises. Just look at Pikachu and Ridley.
Oh, I know, I'm just saying Medusa fits that role perfectly. Also, she's awesome.
There is a difference between hating a character and detracting a character.
It depends on the subjective interpretation of the individual, I suppose. I would objectively assert that both are retro characters, even Mario is a retro character. One does not simply cease to be a retro character; however, if one interprets a character as recent and therefore not pertaining exclusively to "retro status" they might take the more predominant interpretation and fallaciously claim that the character is no longer retro.
- Tetra
I don't get how it's more accurate. Characters aren't necessarily added simply to "represent" a game. They inherently do, but that isn't really the purpose of their selection.
Well, no one is asking for a Bandana Der moveset without a spear... So, don't know why BD's originality without one matters to you...@
Yes, but it's still the principle that Ganondorf (in his Gerudo-human form) does deserve a slot in Smash, and can have his own moveset.
It would still be Beast Ganon, from Twilight Princess.
It never tells you if this woman is a survivor or not, you progress through the game, this image creeps onto the screen piece by piece. eventually Mach Rider's been replaced by this woman.
I agree with this for the most part, particularly when talking about series like Mario, Pokemon, or Zelda.
I see your point.
