Character Discussion Thread

[ChikoLad]

Are you trying to convince me that he's playable? Please don't try to break my heart.

Surely there wouldn't be two separate trophies for the same random, non-playable, third party character.

As for the photoshop explanation, lots of official things use it, like those magazines with hilarious anatomy failure shops.

I never said that (though I am creating a topic to discuss what these two trophies could mean IF he is playable). This could simply be an updated model (the new one resembles the Rayman Legends art style much better).

And an official, run of the mill franchise promotion page wouldn't post a fake version of something when they are announcing that it's a real thing. I follow enough official video game franchise pages on Facebook to know that.

The one they posted on Facebook looks a lot less HD. I think that must've been what they sent sakurai for the trophy, and then it was touched up for the game.

Do you mean the image resolution?
That's just Facebook's crappy image compression at work. It messes up the original trophy photo too (top is original trophy from a Facebook link, bottom is original trophy from a Miiverse link).

 

[Cobalsh]

I think we're getting multiple trophies for playable characters, more like Melee than Brawl. So, maybe that's an alternate trophy..? I think Rayman is in, personally, but I won't hold on too hard.

 

[queenrosetta]

I never said that (though I am creating a topic to discuss what these two trophies could mean IF he is playable). This could simply be an updated model (the new one resembles the Rayman Legends art style much better).

And an official, run of the mill franchise promotion page wouldn't post a fake version of something when they are announcing that it's a real thing. I follow enough official video game franchise pages on Facebook to know that.



Do you mean the image resolution?
That's just Facebook's crappy image compression at work. It messes up the original trophy photo too (top is original trophy from a Facebook link, bottom is original trophy from a Miiverse link).

Can you show me the difference bc I'm not seeing it besides it being less hd

 

[JamesDNaux]

I think we're getting multiple trophies for playable characters, more like Melee than Brawl. So, maybe that's an alternate trophy..? I think Rayman is in, personally, but I won't hold on too hard.

I pray for this to be the case, and I don't even believe in anything. . . . I hope that doesn't screw me over.


Then again, someone is looking down on me just by having Rayman acknowledged at all. I'm feeling lucky.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I've been wondering if next month could be another Super Smash Bros. Direct. If it is, perhaps we could see all the returning veterans, along with an additional newcomer.

My thoughts would probably be Ness, Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers, Mr. G&W, Falco, Ganondorf, Wario, Meta Knight, Lucas, R.O.B., and Wolf. Afterwards, a trailer would be played, revealing the return of Mewtwo. When the Nintendo Direct ends, another trailer airs, revealing the next participating newcomer.

And when September arrives, we'd get to see one more trailer (much like with Robin's trailer) that showcases the final two newcomers. This would happen before Smash 3DS is released in Japan.

At least by doing this, none of the other regions would get spoiled by the character reveals that the Japan residents may encounter.

 

[Xenorange]

Under preferences, its "Custom post text color"

Thanks!

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I've been wondering if next month could be another Super Smash Bros. Direct. If it is, perhaps we could see all the returning veterans, along with an additional newcomer.

My thoughts would probably be Ness, Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers, Mr. G&W, Falco, Ganondorf, Wario, Meta Knight, Lucas, R.O.B., and Wolf. Afterwards, a trailer would be played, revealing the return of Mewtwo. When the Nintendo Direct ends, another trailer airs, revealing the next participating newcomer.

And when September arrives, we'd get to see one more trailer (much like with Robin's trailer) that showcases the final two newcomers. This would happen before Smash 3DS is released in Japan.

At least by doing this, none of the other regions would get spoiled by the character reveals that the Japan residents may encounter.

This is why I believe Ridley is going to be revealed in August. After so much teasing and buildup, a secondhand confirmation from across the pond would be much less grandiose than a whole trailer. Secret character to the end? I think not.

 

[domokl]

new hope for rayman? yay!

 

[Bowserlick]

Shulk versus Ridley trailer.

Chorus Men left as the last unlockable hidden oddity character.

 

[The Black mage]

And the Ridley discussion begins again.

Hang on, lemme get the popcorn.

 

[ElPanandero]

The more I think about clones, the more I really think (assuming there are more than lucina) that Impa is gonna get shoehorned into the game if he goes the Roy/Doc route of adding whomever he can do quickly towards the tail end of devlopment. A WiiU texture model already exists, from within nintendo so it wouldn't be hard to get, It can be placed on Shiek's skeleton, do some weight/power adjustments, hell even Shiek's SFX are easy to mod since she never says full words and just does grunts, bare minimum just raise/drop the decibles on the grunts and you have there she is. Definitely the easiest clone to make at this point from a developmental perspective.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

We talking Ridley again? Sakurai has come out and said that there are more trailers to be had. I think at least two more, for one a month, and Ridley will be the final newcomer revealed, possibly along with Snake if he's returning. Remember that Snake X Samus crap? That would be a perfect trailer.

 

[Bowserlick]

I think Dark Pit and Daisy would be the easiest clones to make.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Rayman gives me hope that Neku, Chrono, Layton, and Wright will get trophies. Namco probably won't have any IM@S trophies because they stuck the game to PS3 and 360 only.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Okay, I decided to tweak my roster image a little, following Robin's trailer...

I was in a bit of a pickle, regarding Bowser Jr. and Shulk, so I had to choose to throw away one of them. But considering the way the roster looks with Bowser Jr. seems better, in terms of the format, I went with him for the time being. I did have to ditch Takamaru, however.

 

[Rockaphin]

I'm actually thinking a villain trailer is possible.
Possible reveals:

• King K. Rool
• Ridley
• Ghirahim
  
• Mewtwo(this is a stretch)
• Ganondorf
• Wolf

 

[Banjodorf]

Shulk versus Ridley trailer.

Chorus Men left as the last unlockable hidden oddity character.

...That would make me unbelievably moist. (Although I think they both deserve their own trailer.)

Shulk vs. ROB and/or Ganondorf, and Ridley vs. Samus, ICs and...I dunno, Lucina, because Falchion?

And I dunno for the Chorus Men/Other Rhythm Heaven character.

Frankly, I think Shulk, RH character, Ridley and Mewtwo would be an absolute perfect wrap-up to the roster, with all the obvious veterans coming back too. That's only like...~50 characters, so it's nothing too outragerous.

I'd love a Dixie+K. Rool trailer too, but I'm just going to hope for essentials and not let my personal feelings get too greedy.

Sakurai please.

 

[Deleted member]

Why do people think the Mii Fighters are going to be three different slots?
Not only was it said that they would have "their own special slot", but it doesn't make sense to have three separate slots when you're playing as your own Miis that you customize, not pre-established ones used for promotional material.

 

[Bowserlick]

People probably think the Mii's will have their own slot because transformation characters are gone (which previously allowed more than one character to share a spot on the roster) and even clones with small differences are considered a different character deserving their own roster spot rather than a switchable alt.

But because the Mii classes are part of the customization feature of Smash, I think they might have their own slot.

 

[The Black mage]

I am really surprised that not a whole lot of people are actually discussing the Character Customization feature.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Black Shadow and Dixie Kong I could see being clones to help bulk up the roster after seeing Lucina.

 

[Xenorange]

I'm scared of that coro coro leak you guys. Nintendo gives them the information to leak right?

 

[Autumn ♫]

I'm actually thinking a villain trailer is possible.
Possible reveals:

• King K. Rool
• Ridley
• Vaati
• Mewtwo(this is a stretch)
• Ganondorf
• Wolf

Fix'd

 

[Staarih]

I'm rooting for a villain trailer as well haha. Hopefully the August Direct, be it a Smash Direct or a normal one, happens before CoroCoro next month, so the characters revealed in it will also be in the issue. And we'd also get it sooner and not have to wait for the end of the month haha!

 

[Con0rrrr]

I don't get why we are still discussing Rayman.

If we didn't discuss Wonderful 101 to this extent, then why Rayman?

Sakurai even went into detail on how they got the trophy this time

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

...Oh god, I actually have hope that he's a hidden character now.
@ God Robert's Cousin
Earlier when you mentioned that, if he were playable, his trophy would be his fighter model, rather than a different random model...

Just look at that first damn Fox trophy. I don't want to fool myself into thinking Rayman is in but fuuuuuuuuuuuu-

That was Melee-only. As I said earlier, Wii Fit Trainer has three trophies confirmed, and all of them use her in-game model. It means we can confirm that all character trophies use their in-game model, not anything stylized. This is with exceptions such as Dark Suit Samus, which are imported but are still distinctly a separate "mode" of a character, if you will, rather than the character and their bio themselves.

Like I said, Rayman isn't going to be in the base game. If this was happening in Melee, then yeah, I'd be going nuts right now.

 

[Sebz]

BTW, the Rayman Facebook page says: "Rayman will appear in Super Smash Bros as a trophy on WiiU and 3DS!"

 

[N3ON]

I'm scared of that coro coro leak you guys. Nintendo gives them the information to leak right?

CoroCoro is only going to restate what we already know. That's what they do with Smash.

I don't get why we are still discussing Rayman.

If we didn't discuss Wonderful 101 to this extent, then why Rayman?

Sakurai even went into detail on how they got the trophy this time

W101 firstly isn't on the same level as the Rayman series, plus, it's a Nintendo IP, even if it's 2nd party. Rayman is totally owned by Ubisoft.

 

[Xenorange]

CoroCoro is only going to restate what we already know. That's what they do with Smash.


W101 firstly isn't on the same level as the Rayman series, plus, it's a Nintendo IP, even if it's 2nd party. Rayman is totally owned by Ubisoft.

I hope your right, but I really don't see the point of them announcing that they're going to leak what we already know.

 

[N3ON]

I hope your right, but I really don't see the point of them announcing that they're going to leak what we already know.

They phrased it in a way to make people think there's going to be new info, thereby helping their sales.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I don't get why we are still discussing Rayman.

If we didn't discuss Wonderful 101 to this extent, then why Rayman?

Sakurai even went into detail on how they got the trophy this time

Because a random third party trophy is a far bigger deal than a first party one?

That was Melee-only. As I said earlier, Wii Fit Trainer has three trophies confirmed, and all of them use her in-game model. It means we can confirm that all character trophies use their in-game model, not anything stylized. This is with exceptions such as Dark Suit Samus, which are imported but are still distinctly a separate "mode" of a character, if you will, rather than the character and their bio themselves.

Like I said, Rayman isn't going to be in the base game. If this was happening in Melee, then yeah, I'd be going nuts right now.

Between Smash 64, which had no trophies, and Brawl being the only game to break away from the Melee trophy thing, there's no reason to think that we won't get multiple character trophies, particularly with the fact that we're actually getting newly modeled trophies again, like in Melee, instead of nothing but ripped game models like in Brawl. There's no confirmed thing saying we can only have three of a single character either, it's bad enough people use patterns between only three games, but using just two is really stretching it. On top of that, there's apparently a different trophy of Rayman that UbiSoft posted on the Facebook page that Sebz here kindly mentioned again, why on earth would a random third party have two trophies and not be playable?

BTW, the Rayman Facebook page says: "Rayman will appear in Super Smash Bros as a trophy on WiiU and 3DS!"

Mario has a trophy, Mega Man has a trophy, I feel like I've said this too many times today, playable characters have trophies.

 

[Cobalsh]

BTW, the Rayman Facebook page says: "Rayman will appear in Super Smash Bros as a trophy on WiiU and 3DS!"

Of course, as a trophy! All the Smash Bros fighters are trophies if you want to argue. Even stages are trophies.

Edit: 'd

 

[Xenorange]

They phrased it in a way to make people think there's going to be new info, thereby helping their sales.

Haha sneaky, I really hope you're right.

 

[N3ON]

Mario has a trophy, Mega Man has a trophy, I feel like I've said this too many times today, playable characters have trophies.

Of course, as a trophy! All the Smash Bros fighters are trophies if you want to argue. Even stages are trophies.

Tbqh, that's a fairly lousy excuse. If he was more than a trophy they wouldn't have focused on something there are hundreds of in Smash...

Plus when was the last time a playable character was touted as being a trophy in Smash? They'd promote the biggest role a character would have in the game, not the smallest.

 

[Staarih]

On top of that, there's apparently a different trophy of Rayman that UbiSoft posted on the Facebook page that Sebz here kindly mentioned again, why on earth would a random third party have two trophies and not be playable?

Nah, I'd say it's the same trophy, they have the same pose and all. The one Sakurai posted just seems to be the final, touched-up version, while the one on Facebook looks to be less detailed, so maybe the original model Ubisoft sent to Sakurai? Or something. I don't think it's a different trophy.

And well, yeah, I'd think a 3rd party character like Rayman should have been introduced with more fanfare if he was playable.

 

[Bowserlick]

I suspect Rayman will be a downloadable character.

If DLC's were done in Brawl, Sonic would not have to delay the game. He could have been added via the internet.

*3rd Party Necomers: MegaMAN, PacMAN, RayMAN

 

[N3ON]

You guys are overthinking this.

Sakurai revealed him as a trophy, said he was given assets by Ubisoft for the trophy, and now Ubisoft has said Rayman will be a trophy in the game.

He's a trophy.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Tbqh, that's a fairly lousy excuse. If he was more than a trophy they wouldn't have focused on something there are hundreds of in Smash...

Plus when was the last time a playable character was touted as being a trophy in Smash? They'd promote the biggest role a character would have in the game, not the smallest.

I'm just throwing wild speculations out, I don't think he's playable (but I do think he'll be planned DLC).

But what better way to have a completely surprise, sleeper hit character reveal than to "deconfirm" them beforehand?
Knowing Sakurai, it's entirely possible. Hell, this isn't even as trolly as what he's doing with Ridley.

Nah, I'd say it's the same trophy, they have the same pose and all. The one Sakurai posted just seems to be the final, touched-up version, while the one on Facebook looks to be less detailed, so maybe the original model Ubisoft sent to Sakurai? Or something. I don't think it's a different trophy.

And well, yeah, I'd think a 3rd party character like Rayman should have been introduced with more fanfare if he was playable.

I posted this elsewhere but:

-UbiSoft made the first one and sent it to Sakurai, why would he randomly change the model they sent him for just a trophy?
-He just posted it the other day, do you really think there would be a newly updated image of it already?
-If it is a trophy that Sakurai just updated, why would UbiSoft even have it?

This has way more changes than "a touched up version."

 

[Bowserlick]

He is a trophy.

And later he will be a playable character. You wait. You see.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

On top of that, there's apparently a different trophy of Rayman that UbiSoft posted on the Facebook page that Sebz here kindly mentioned again, why on earth would a random third party have two trophies and not be playable?

Post it then. I want to see the two trophies side-by-side.

We've otherwise every reason to, again, think that Rayman won't be playable in the base game on part of how we've yet to be shown a playable character's trophy with a custom model. New models for trophies exist in this game, yes James, but that doesn't mean that will extend over towards playable characters when we've only proof that it doesn't.

You see any playabe characters in there with custom models? And I'm not talking about Boomerang Mario, I'm talking about how every single character there uses the same model in-game as they do for their trophies. Two Wii Fit Trainer trophies are visible here alone. A few seconds of panning out later shows a third at the top left.