Celestial Archives: The Samus Video & Critique Thread (Updated October 4th, 2010)

ZeroL · Aug 14, 2010

I'm hoping to have some matches after my smashfest, mostly vs the top of Holland. The problem is since my laptop broke again I can't record them so I was wondering if any of you wouldn't mind to record some replays of me vs good players. All Samus ofcourse. I have infinite replay hack and tags in replay so you'll know who I'm playing against.

KillerJawz · Aug 14, 2010

I may be able to record for you, first I'm going to record LP's stuff.

Also added Xyro's submissions to the archive.

ZeroL · Aug 14, 2010

KillerJawz said:
I may be able to record for you, first I'm going to record LP's stuff.

Also added Xyro's submissions to the archive.

LP is Lucas Perfected or Luigi Player?

KillerJawz · Aug 14, 2010

Outside of the european board it means Lucas Perfected.

Xyro77 · Aug 23, 2010

Ok i got the 2vs2 GFs up from yesterdays tourney. It went to game 5 so there are 2 vids. Me and ozz never teamed before and neither has illmatic and jerm.

Xyro(samus)+Ozz(fox) vs Illmatic(peach)+Jerm(toonlink) 1-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpaI-kccdDI

Xyro(samus)+Ozz(fox) vs Illmatic(peach)+Jerm(toonlink) 4-5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsdY1klnRmg&feature=related

Seagull Joe · Aug 26, 2010

Critique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfCVkSRfO5k

I am the apprentice of No-idea without much ledge whoring though.

Zatchiel · Aug 26, 2010

Seagull Man said:
Critique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfCVkSRfO5k

I am the apprentice of No-idea without much ledge whoring though.

Use MUCH less Dair onstage, lol, and try to avoid Rolling at any time.
Keep your distance and use a lot more Zair + Homer MsL, you stayed in the melee confrontation, which Samus fails with zero options.
Whenever you find yourself stuck in shield, Screw Attack is a useful option, and i'm pretty sure it was her best OoS option, so it's use it highly recommended.
FF more aerials whenever you are forced to play melee game, and you can follow it up with combos to get the opponent back at a distance.
Looks like a pretty good starting Samus, though. Nice job.

Dragonmaster_Omega · Aug 26, 2010

I wouldn't take Joe too seriously. He would only really use Samus for lawls and his isn't that good. Pretty much all his skill comes from his knowledge of MUs. I know him lol. He is a scrub any way you look <3

Seagull Joe · Aug 26, 2010

Lucas Perfected said:
Use MUCH less Dair onstage, lol, and try to avoid Rolling at any time.
Keep your distance and use a lot more Zair + Homer MsL, you stayed in the melee confrontation, which Samus fails with zero options.
Whenever you find yourself stuck in shield, Screw Attack is a useful option, and i'm pretty sure it was her best OoS option, so it's use it highly recommended.
FF more aerials whenever you are forced to play melee game, and you can follow it up with combos to get the opponent back at a distance.
Looks like a pretty good starting Samus, though. Nice job.

She is my Loller character. I also rather not use Zair or Screw Attack on Dildo Kong.

NO-IDea · Aug 26, 2010

Why didn't you just discuss this with me over AIM instead of putting it here? lol

And apprentice my ***.

Seagull Joe · Aug 26, 2010

NO-IDea said:
Why didn't you just discuss this with me over AIM instead of putting it here? lol

And apprentice my ***.

Sorry sensei

Zatchiel · Aug 26, 2010

Seagull Man said:
I also rather not use Zair

......

I am sorry, i cannot help you.

NO-IDea · Aug 26, 2010

A solid victory is a solid victory. When critiquing a video, you can't possibly attempt to persuade the player to change his strategy if it works. Rather than try to change it, try implementing his strategy in your mind and figuring out ways to improve it, find better frame traps, better options in the scenario he sets up rather than change the approach

tbh, falling z-air (because that's the only way to connect it) gets beat out by OoS glide toss 100% of the time. This applies to the Peach MU as well. You won't see that in current videos because z-air is working (because Peach mains just love floating so much) therefore you don't see me telling other Samus mains not to z-air. When I finally see the day when Peach mains decide to just camp, then Samus mains will have to come up with a better response than spam z-air and smashes.

But, in short, that in itself was bad advice the more experienced and comfortable the Diddy player is. Renan had little experience with Diddy and the MU so you can't expect to much.

KillerJawz · Aug 28, 2010

NO-IDea said:
A solid victory is a solid victory. When critiquing a video, you can't possibly attempt to persuade the player to change his strategy if it works. Rather than try to change it, try implementing his strategy in your mind and figuring out ways to improve it, find better frame traps, better options in the scenario he sets up rather than change the approach

Did you miss the 90% or so from d air water meteors? That victory was not solid by any mean of the word, what everybody has said so far accurately reflects my feelings on the matter

tbh, falling z-air (because that's the only way to connect it) gets beat out by OoS glide toss 100% of the time. This applies to the Peach MU as well. You won't see that in current videos because z-air is working (because Peach mains just love floating so much) therefore you don't see me telling other Samus mains not to z-air. When I finally see the day when Peach mains decide to just camp, then Samus mains will have to come up with a better response than spam z-air and smashes.

This is why we air dodge to falling zair, catch the nana/turnip, spam zair. With a banana in your hand, Diddy becomes HEAVILY nerfed, we lose our four standard aerials, whilst keeping zair. A very handy trade off.

But, in short, that in itself was bad advice the more experienced and comfortable the Diddy player is. Renan had little experience with Diddy and the MU so you can't expect to much.

It took Renan about 30 or so seconds to pull a Banana after pulling his first one, so the critique I'm about to give Seagull will only really be of little help until he plays better players.

Critique for Seagullllllzzzzz

Firstly I'll say, thanks for using Samus. <3

Anyway, Lets start with your approach game. This Diddy tends to walk away from you alot, and never apply consistant pressure. For this, a flury of homing missles is more then enough to tack on a good 30-40% before he starts to realise somethings wrong. You can weave in and out of Diddy's zones by letting missiles be your 'baiters' if you will. Fire a few of these bad boys out then rain down on Diddy with a couple of baby CSes to get rid of his momentum towards you. If Diddy doesn't have a nana in his hand, falling zair into more zairs is a superb punishing option. In general, approaching Diddy is a double edged sword. He'll have to play very quickly in order to avoid us punishing him with a nana, we can avoid getting pressured with perfect spacing and STILL be in a good zone to tack on more damage. If however, Diddy can successfully force us while we're grounded, it's pretty much a free 50% or so on us. He juggles floaties with blind spots like Samus STUPIDLY well, be very careful when he throws a nana, make sure you always have control over them.

On Delfino, you showed a great understanding of the stage. You played very safe for the first few seconds, then got a tad greedy with Dairs. Literally all of Diddy's options beat out our dair. He can glide toss OoS his nanas into our dair, beating it out, then proceed to juggle us around a little, try to mix it up a bit with falling uairs and UpB OoS for baiting him into grabbing us. Our UpB OoS is faster then Diddy's grab, take advantage of this approach, and make him take a good % from it. When you hit Diddy with lets say a dair, DON'T think it's safe to follow it up. With Brawl's lack of hitstun, following up with anything other then a missile or zair can lead to at least 20-30% due to a free nana lock from Diddy. This is also a warning, avoid taking good Diddy's to delfino, this has cost me tournament matches. He can easily nana lock us off the stage with little to no trouble, and have only taken mere damage when trying to get in.

The best way to play this match up truefully is to just play the ledge, Diddy can't handle planking at all, his best options are drop down aerials or nanas, both of which are easily countered.

Try to CP Diddy to somewhere like Brinstar, I find the lingering hitboxes and slanted edges really screw Diddy over. This may just be me, but I also find that Smashville is AMAZING for us against Diddy, we play the ledge BEAUTIFULLY there, capitalising on any approaches Diddy makes with the moving platform and still creating pressure. Thanks to the platform cancel, Samus can grab on the top platform and cover the ENTIRE thing, or you can use any other follow ups, since our grab is simply awful.

Hope that was of some help to you.

Oh and guys I ain't back yet, I'll probably be back tomorrow.

painlord k11 · Aug 28, 2010

pretty good team battle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svA5huHr9OY

Zatchiel · Sep 7, 2010

LMAO, KJ, you don't have to do too much work on the replay now, lol
I'll get something up when i can find my SD Loader >.>

Xyro77 · Sep 8, 2010

KJ, i would like to submit the following

Xyro(Samus)+Gnes(Mario) vs Poltergust(Yoshi)+Esca(Samus) 1/2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abQBu8NuOBM&feature=channel

KillerJawz · Sep 8, 2010

Added Xyro's submissions to the archive.

Prix · Sep 10, 2010

Hello everyone! I would like to submit my brand new CV! Have fun!
REBELLION

KillerJawz · Sep 10, 2010

Added Prix's combo video to the archives.

Xyro77 · Sep 28, 2010

Found 2 more combo vids, they aint awesome but it will help someone someday

Beware the Dair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZO81XhoYeM&feature=related

Swag Spiking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxByaT7-Cqo&feature=related

KillerJawz · Sep 28, 2010

Added combo videos and KillerJawz's submissions to the archive.

NO-IDea · Sep 28, 2010

I demand change.

Specifically along the lines of this:

GW: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=253055

who stole off this:

PT: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=213973

We should do that. Since the MU threads have been improved upon, the video archives could be organized better as well. Makes it much easier to update as well, considering it's individual based. And centralize conversation on critiquing incoming videos.

Any argument that the current design helps those who look up videos for MU guidance can be annulled. People look for player guidance. If they want to search for videos for MU guidance, they can kindly be directed towards the MU threads that Xyro has made, as I'm sure he'll organize the data with videos to be used as references.

Up to KJ on this one.

KillerJawz · Sep 29, 2010

If you're willing to think of a format we could use that is quite similar to that one, then I'm all for it. I would also like someone whos handy with Photoshop to perhaps make us a nice banner for this as well.

Xyro77 · Oct 4, 2010

more combo vids, these aint so bad. KJ, could you give me control of this thread please?

Indestructible 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHxVtYT1Kzk

Indestructible 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRk53Uq5jGA

Neither Free Norfair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mAd-Pv-bQI

KillerJawz · Oct 4, 2010

I'll PM Serris about it. If he's willing to give up ownership, I'll hand it over to you.

Added combo videos to the OP.

Dragonmaster_Omega · Oct 4, 2010

Got some older matches but plan to upload some recent ones soon

Omega (Samus) vs Tiger (Meta Knight) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN2256VSdqE&feature=related

Omega (Samus) vs Tiger (Kirby) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-uypGWHd7M&feature=related

KillerJawz · Oct 9, 2010

Okay Xyro, the thread's yours now.

Dragonmaster_Omega · Oct 9, 2010

Alright guys, prepare for a whole hell load of matches from me here in a bit.
I recorded about 24 replays and am currently uploading the last of them, so be prepared for them soon, like maybe the next hour or so.
Also, please add the matches i posted earlier to the archieves, thanks

IYM! · Oct 9, 2010

hey Omega, are a problems with yours videos, they have delay betwen music/sounds and images

Dragonmaster_Omega · Oct 10, 2010

IYM! said:
hey Omega, are a problems with yours videos, they have delay betwen music/sounds and images

They all do that. The are a bit desynched at the beginning but they fix themselves around 1/4th of the way through. It is because i have to use a less than dsirable Pinnacle Instant DVD Recorder which, when compared to Pinnacle Studios is complete bull****
It records in dvd format which i have to convert to .wmv
But once i get a better program, Hopefully Pinnacle Studios 14 HD Ultimate Collection, the quality will go through the roof

Xyro77 · Oct 10, 2010

Now that i own this thread, expect changes(reorganization) soon. Noid, PM me your idea when u can and ill get started

Dragonmaster_Omega · Oct 11, 2010

Title says updated Oct 4th yet the vids i posted on Oct 4 have yet to be added.

Anywho, time to get the lead out and post my vids from a few days ago, you guys are in for a ride lol:

Omega (Samus) vs :190:

KillerJawz · Oct 11, 2010

That Kirby isn't me. Also I havn't added your videos up there yet because Xyro is going to revamp the OP.

Dragonmaster_Omega · Oct 11, 2010

Ah ok. Lol the Kirby might be LP/DJ then =3

Xyro77 · Oct 12, 2010

relax, your vids will be added. i wanna re do the front page first

Dragonmaster_Omega · Oct 12, 2010

oh nononono, don't worry, i am not rushing. I was simply curious. I am not worried whether or not they will be added. Take your time. I simply brought it up because the title said it was updated the same time i posted some vids. That's all

Xyro77 · Oct 26, 2010

added xyro vs zigsta

KillerJawz · Oct 27, 2010

quiKsilverItaly said:
Hello, finally I have some aczeptable matches from me.
There are the Loserfinals against Mr.R in a Lowtiertourney. I think you guys know that Mr.R belongs to the Top 4 in europe and so its not a big shame to lose against him, his Link is the way best i've ever played. and it was the first time i played against an enemy on international top level on a tourney, and for that i think i wasnt that bad especially in the second and third match (so watch for first them!! )
Match 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeIr0yAQ1E&feature=related
Match 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O_z-310iVk&feature=related
Match 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJ_Mn8InJQ

Have fun. I want critique, and what i could do better. i already learned very much from the replays, but i need another people. cause i want to **** him the next time.
I already had very much good tourneymatches, in which my samus looked very good. but i never recorded them, so there are just some old and bad matches on youtube. i try to make some nice replays for the next time!

Quiksilver is legit.

Muz · Oct 28, 2010

Quiksilver, I added some comments to your vids. You did really good, nice work, especially against that high quality link! The most common mistake I found was that you didn't ever charge your smashes after link planted his sword into the ground with a dair. Also when you are on battlefield, you can abuse up-b out of shield a lot more than you did (you tend to drop your shield and jab or tilt which is ok, but sometimes not fast enough). I noticed you like to dtilt and ftilt alot when he's on the ground, but this is a bad idea since link can easily shield and grab you even if you spaced it well. Usually fighting link on the ground is not a good idea since his jabs, tilts and smashes are alot better than samuses.
But overall you performed well and you impressed me with how you handled the matches, keep it up! I like your aggressive style

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