Kafkaesque said:
Hmmm, weird way to start out the your game DH. Obviously Ran doesn't have a read at this point in the game, so it seems like a pointless ice breaker. Also, you ended it in a strange way to. You weren't really dragging anything out so why did you feel you were?
Here is Kafka questioning DH. I'll get to this moreso when he flips his read of DH from lean-scum to town. Here he is just questioning DH for being "weird/strange" but not actually pointing out things that are scummy nor do I see him really going anywhere with him pointing out these things and his final question.
Kafka said:
OS big post so I'm not quoting it.
Agree with Zen's 102 (J doesn't exist). Totally superfluous post. Only real thing it accomplishes is OS finishing up his mental masturbation session. Don't see the town intent in it and it seems to me that OS is trying too hard in that post.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost....&postcount=128
Total black and white thinking OS. This isn't a real reason to be suspicious of someone.
Tell me, what do you currently think of Zen (nevermind that I haven't caught up)?
Like this post, especially to bold. MY thoughts exactly. Like your play in general, I get a sense of Ran with curiosity which I like. You can be town for now.
Eww, gross.
Ran's play has changed to be like OS? He's being awkward? Are you sure that you've played with Ran before? At worse he should be null to you right now, I'm looking over Ran's play right now and I can't see any of what you're talking about.
Also what's up with that Dooms suspicion?
Not convinced. Still feels like a mechanical way of viewing things to me.
IGMEOU: Chaco
Kafkaesque said:
Oh, and forgot about this:
Vote: OS
For reasons stated.
Within these two posts, Kafka gives bogus reasoning for voting OS because he does not really explain why OS is scummy, yet has a strong scum-read and says "for reasons stated" when there are literally no reasons stated. Most of what he has said against OS is just piggybacking on what my slot had said against him earlier in the game. He points out that what OS has done is anti-town, but nowhere does he highlight where exactly it is scummy what he has done. He didn't seem to be looking for scum but moreso someone who they could just lynch.
Then there is his suspicion of Chaco which feels out of place and him trying to force a scum-read onto the slot. He gives him an "IGMEOU" but doesn't do anything to question him any more so. He says Chaco needed to post more at the time, but did nothing to encourage that. It shows his actions just fell on a bum note and didn't go much of anywhere else.
Kafkaesque said:
-Perhaps, but I don't want to let the point go simply because "OS mental masturbating is a null tell cus he just does that a lot (which he does, mind you). Big pointless posts are never a good thing and usually serve the purpose of making someone look like they're scumhunting when they're really not (FF's scum play in Melee mafia comes to mind).
To answer your question, I'm null on both. I like Kantrip's points about the town allienge thing but there's no way I'm going to give town points over simply being logical about something like that. I haven't read anything FF's posted yet except for his most recent posts and I don't know what context they're in so I can't really make a call on him yet either.
With the bullet I have left, Kafka shows insistence to his read on OS and somewhat stubborn of him saying "I don't wanna let go even if it may be a null-tell." He admits it himself that the very thing he is voting OS may be null and not scummy but he continues voting him because it is a possibility that it makes the purpose of faking content. He then tries to justify this point further with another person's meta (FF's nontheless) and doesn't explain why the action is scummy, nor does he choose to dissect OS' post to showcase where it is bad what he is doing. He just states stuff, and moves on from that.
Second half, Kafka decided to take a position on the fence for the Kanty vs. FF debacle. He also seems to contradict himself a tad too. The bolded shows this. He said above with his OS vote that he finds him scummy for being anti-town useless, however being pro-town/logical does not give someone town points? It seems he just looking for people to have as scummy and then leave more backdoors to players like Kanty. In fact, he even had created a backdoor on FF's slot by saying that he didn't have enough to make a call on his slot.
Kafkaesque said:
Ran still town. DH town with him. More or less looks like a genuine effort with his constant posting, although some of it's pretty dumb so I will have to go dumb town with him. I believe it was around 281 that I started to feel this way about DH if people need a reference. Need to read through RR's and DH's posts but they're just massive so later.
He flips his DH read all of the sudden which does not make sense at all. In the beginning of the game, he had been questioning his read on DH and saying that there were some points of his play that were weird yet he continues to try and justify a town-read. He names a post about DH but doesn't bring it up nor does he show exactly what about it makes him lean dumb-town. In fact, most people were beginning to lean scum on DH's slot over lean town. He also spends much more time explaining his DH town read and does not even touch upon his Ran town read.
Kafka said:
Saw Rockin's post that everyone's hating on, and I have to say that I can def see where everyone is coming from. Don't really care about him "making an OS connection," as accusing him of that seems reachy, but more or less it was just an unneeded post that seems like a post simply for the sake of posting. I see Rockin posting some more now and would like him to plant his vote
Basic cookie cutter suspicion that everyone else had at the time, nothing special about it.
Kafka said:
The more I thought about it the more I have to agree with X1 that OS could of just of done that wall earlier (and all other of his walls thus far) just because he's OS and likes to do walls, so I really should be taking it as a null tell. OS hasn't really left an impression on me either way but I am interested in seeing where his 519 goes.
Marshy and Macman are being useless. I don't feel like Macman's questions have been really useful or could draw a real purpose out of things, so I'm slightly suspicious of him just for that. Marshy's cool and all but his one liners just stating suspicion makes it impossible to read him besides from just agreeing/disagreeing with his reads.
I do not care for his reasoning for why Marshy should have been lynched at all. He says that Marshy should be lynched because he is hard to read? That doesn't make sense at all. Within this same post, he decides to question Macman to try and get some more intel out of that slot, but the problem is that he did not even bother to question Marshy as well.
Kafka said:
unvote vote: Chaco
Fos: Rocking
Just bandwagoning for the fact of bandwagoning.
J said:
My gut is shouting to me that they are scum because I feel that most of what they have posted have been purely null and I don't like that fact especially when it feels like its the Swords side of the hydra doing a majority of the posting.
His picks for vigging were just weird and I don't get why he picked Macman/Marshy, he says because they are unhelpful but what about Orbo or Rajam or even myself for being a non-presence.
I also do not care for his voting history this game of the first one being OS for shallow reasoning against him that someone called them out on and then their most current suspicions just line up with popular thought all of a sudden with Chaco/Rockin suspicion.
The thing I dislike the most about this slot would be how they have not really gotten their hands dirty yet, but they have said things/done light actions. Nothing from them seems to be "good" enough (if you understand where I coming with that wording) this game.
FoS: Kafkaesque
Re-highlighting my post against Kafka because the points are still true.
Skipping ahead because the Kafka slot just floated to D4 where they were replaced by Ditzy who didn't do anything whatsoever in the game really and just stuck around till now. Most of what he has done is just agree with popular decision and do whatever the main train of thought was. Never did he really attempt to scum-hunt and until now just got here.
Jdietz43 said:
1. frozenflame751 - Leaning Scum, didn't like his drawn out fights with Kantrip that went in circles
2. KevinM - Null, I get bad vibes from his style but I don't think he's done anything directly incriminating
4. Rajam - Town, hasn't done anything wrong and seems sane so far, want to see what he got today
5. Rockin - Null, he's been kind of inactive but I didn't get any red flags from him otherwise
7. Macman - Leaning Scum, he's been lurking in the intentional kind of way for awhile
10. Pink Lemonade (Ranmaru/July hydra) - Leaning Scum, they've been changing stances a lot and I disliked their overall posturing so far
12. Axel (J/Zen hydra) J - Leaning Town, they've had a few moments I was unsure of early game but seem ok now
16. Vanderzant - Null (slight town), didn't get any major impression out of skimming Dooms, Vanderzant seems fine pushing PL but otherwise I have nothing to base an impression with
17. Overswarm - Cleared by Rajam, I don't see any reason to question his innocence despite his unique armchair playstyle
Here are Ditzy's reads a point in which he was targetted for some things. He doesn't decide to vote in this post, nor does he even have a real scum-read in this post. He just throws out a bunch of leans and a bunch of hollow reads that don't have much backing nor does he scum-hunt on any of the slots.
Here he points out something no one has really pointed out yet which is a null-scum lean on Macman that was never justified besides just lurking. Then when we get to toDay's day Phase he says KevinM is the better one to lynch and the better one to get rid of? Noooo way in heck is that gonna fly. He is just following what is best for his own personal gain and survival with these reads.
He does the same with the PL vs. Vandy situation where he decided to fix his reads to show that he had PL as scummier than Vandy but did not care to explain why on either slot with much detail. He also comments on FF having long-drawn out fights with Kanty but does not care to go into the arugment he had with OS nor point anything out with that.
His reads just read fake/go with the flow and just posturing himself for the best out-come with what town is looking at. He's been a sheep since he began and continues to be over the game.
His recent posts against FF and also against KevinM have been terrible. =[ The slot just continues to be scummier.
So that highlights my suspicion on Ditzy based on the posts the slot has on the game but I feel in my gut they are scum. I can see them as indy and I can also see them as scum so it's a weird dynamic. I want them lynched because I feel they have a really high ratio of flipping scum.
At the time of posting I hadn't seen anything of note from Macman, and that still largely holds true minus the gun debate.
