OS if it was so obvious, why didn't you vote him seeing as the motivation for doing that would be scum? You found a serious tell and did nothing about it... ¿?
I wouldn't say nothing.
For one:
marshy said:
mm wait os votes vinyl
or maybe proxy vote vinyl
Marshy, already confirmed town, asked me to vote Vinyl, who had my vote that day.
At that time, X1-12 had only 3 votes and Vinyl was at L-2; as we had a deadline extension I wasn't putting him at L-1.
Despite this:
OS said:
Vinyl.- (7) Kafkaesque, X1-12, Marshy, Dark Horse, Kantrip, Macman, KevinM
Kantrip- (5) Rockin, Vanderzant, Frozenflame, Pink Lemonade, J
I normally love seeing these divides, but unless we get a scum flip it doesn't tell us anything because there's no real pressure either way. I still haven't seen a strong case on Vinyl and all I've seen for votes on Kantrip is in reference to several poorly worded statements.
Regardless, not what you asked.
While everyone else got to pile on after the X1-12 claim was counter-claimed, here's what happened after your last post from me, when X1-12 tries to get a Chaco(Vinyl) lynch going:
x1-12 said:
@OS: No, I don't have anything more right now on the Vinyl slot considering Chaco didn't actually DO anything until about 50 posts before my attack on him, where I covered everything that he had done. Since then I haven't actually read the thread. What more do you expect me to bring up?
OS said:
Chaco lynch is a no go imo. What else do you have to offer?
x1-12 said:
OS I'm sorry you think that, what do you propose then? As far as I'm concerned Chaco/Vinyl lynch is the best answer at this point. Do you expect me to just whip up a case from nothing on someone? I've linked you to everything I had before V/LA and since then I have nothing because I haven't been able to read.
os said:
That post you linked had 3 players listed at the same level as chaco. I assume you have reasoning.
x1-12 said:
OS are you dense the same posts contain my points against those other players.
os said:
That sounds like effort on the part of someone who isn't on the chopping block.
Shouldn't you be working a bit harder at not getting lynched? How many people you think clicked that link?
Copy/pasta those cases. Expand upon them if possible. Live or die, it is your best option.
Good job on getting yourself as a lynch target D1 in a large though. That takes some fancy footwork.
x1-12 said:
@OS: You're expecting miracles from me. I'm working on it now while also trying to deal with the bobmardment of questions that are coming at me right now
Here's X1-12's and Vinyl's wagon at that time:
X1-12- (6) Macman, Marshy, Kantrip, Frozenflame, KevinM, Pink Lemonade
Vinyl.- (2) Kafkaesque, X1-12
The person I did vote was Pink Lemonade here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14315516&postcount=770
Despite the votecount being wrong five posts later (and all subsequent votecounts after):
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14315556&postcount=775
And then my pressure on X1-12 continues.
x1-12 said:
Chaco/Vinyl if it wasn't abundantly clear they need to go considering they have contributed nothing the entire game, despite, as a I previously mentioned, Chaco having time to argue semantics with OS and then throw a hissyfit when he gets attacked and then deflecting massively. Vinyl then chooses to replace in and subsequently not post a single thing until I come back from V/LA and claim cop, stating he's been busy, and defending Chaco for the same reasons. This guy seriously volunteers to replace in then doesn't post anything for 3 days, only popping up when he's attacked? Lynch this please
OS said:
Why doesn't your Chaco reasoning apply to me? Or to marshy? Or Macman? Or KevinM?
x1-12 said:
@OS: Even in the time before I went V/LA Marshy and Mac and you and Kevin have actually done things, albeit small things but all had shown at least some effort to scumhunt.
What goes on at this point?
FF said:
Unvote: X1-12
Request Deadline Extension
I'm not cop.
So given there were two people going after X1-12 at this time (Pink Lemonade and Myself) and X1-12 was attempting to deflect towards Vinyl/Chaco...
Pink Lemonade said:
X1 can live. I thought it was weird he came late to claim and was avoiding the thread to stall to cause the town to scramble. Anyways, with his V/la it makes sense why he couldn't claim right away. I don't agree with his 'ignoring' pressure especially since he is the type who has lynched me for 'answering a question that wasn't mine to answer' and for handwaving the pressure on myself. (X1 feel free to show the difference if you think there is one)
(PL then votes Kantrip)
X1-12- (3) Macman, Kantrip, KevinM
Vinyl.- (6) Kafkaesque, X1-12, J, Red Ruy, Marshy, Dark Horse
It worked. And then:
macman said:
I think the decision on whether to lynch X1 should be completely dependent on whether he seems scummy enough to deserve it. Him potentially being a cop does come into play but I think the decision should be primarily based on scumminess. I personally don't think he is scummy enough to merit the lynch after the cop claim, my read on him isn't strong enough to deny the potential info gain we get if we keep him a live.
so unvote: x1-12
anyways, im down with the vinyl lynched, plus I have to keep the totally real and not sarcastic marshy-macman TA alive.
vote: vinyl
Marshy said:
mm wait os votes vinyl
or maybe proxy vote vinyl
PLemonade said:
Earlier on I felt like X1 dying asap was ok because it seemed like he claimed cop late just to **** with the town, but realizing he was v/la for that whole time changed it for me. I'm ok with X1 living since I had a slight town read on him, and plus I have no reason to believe X1 may not be cop except:
1. He didn't defend himself
2. His wagon and claim seemed setup
I can see his argument for not defending himself just be something I disagree with. At the time I had the mindset he was just trying to bull****, but upon a slight re-read I can tell he wasn't just sitting around. I just felt that if X1 were scum, that at least one of RR/Macman/Marshy would have been scum with him. My other head agrees with how he dealt with the pressure... by not doing anything about it, since it was stupid. I slightly disagreed because I felt X1 could at least have given attention to those dudes and have shifted the momentum onto them, instead it just stalled.
Even so, my other head disagrees and thinks it is the other way. She doesn't like OS, but I have to keep an eye on OS to see what he really is planning over the long run.
I refuse to lynch Vinyl when there was an obvious ability to do so. I had Marshy telling me who to vote for (easy out), all of town willing to lynch Vinyl (KevinM later switches from X1-12).
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14317991&postcount=862
(that votecount has an error in macman's vote btw)
Come on. Tell me that I am so intent on distancing that I'm the only one asking X1-12 any questions and not taking an opportunity to just lynch someone else.
The entire issue you guys had with my plan of simply directing X1-12 to one of two people of my choosing is that scum could manipulate the results and/or I could be scum directing him towards framer/godfather or away from mafia. Had X1-12 been my partner and I wanted that, all I'd have to do was lynch Vinyl and that wouldn't have been hard.
Keep in mind:
They're BOTH MAFIA.
You're trying to tell me that your reason for voting me is that I didn't pressure
X1-12? I was the only one that was before your counter-claim.
If you want to lynch me because you think I'm scum, I'd have to be blue. It doesn't make sense for me to be pink given my actions.
But here's the issue:
3. inferno3044 X1-12,
Mafia Informed Sane Cop, lynched D1
9. Chaco Vinyl.,
Mafia Godfather, lynched D2
6. Dark Horse,
Mafia Goon, poisoned N2
If you really believe that blue Mafia has not one, but two Godfathers, by all means lynch me.
But truth is, I have a clear from you Rajam. There's no reason to lynch a clear with 10 people left, because the trust issue with your role solves itself pretty fast.
As for a pink Godfather? I haven't discounted it. Given that both you and X1-12 have claimed cop and X1-12 flipped Mafia Informed Sane Cop, it got me thinking. How is that
fair to X1-12? I mean he didn't even lie and his claim dug his own grave. Did he have a safe claim?
What if both mafia factions have the same members? Pink goon, godfather, and cop paired with a blue goon, godfather, and cop? I found it weird that your cop results came from people that were prominent. One I could understand, but all of 'em? Maybe it's just how you're playing this game, but normally you cop like I do and investigate the people that aren't so out in the open. Let the active players deal with the active players with cases and reads while you investigate to remove the guessing games from the equation.
So I've been interested in your results for more than just clears, but like I said:
That problem is going to solve itself.
If there is a mafia faction left that can kill you Rajam, you'll die tonight. It's not something I have to do more than consider as a possibility. I don't have to account for variables or poisoners or independents or multiple teams or whatever. I just have to wait.
So why anyone would vote for anyone with a clear toDay, I don't really know.
Regardless, you still get my vote today Rajam.
. If you think Joey was scummy, preach it to others. I have no interest in defending his actions.
