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#HBC | marshy

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why is this game still in dayphase?

kafka im not sure what you mean by me and macman being vig fodder. weve shown usefulness by suspecting scumbags such as joey and scumferno. to answer your question as for what i think of x1 he should die. how you can say macman should be shot over the other scumbags in this game astounds me

vig dont listen to kafka. stick with vander x1 rajam rockin

guys hop this wagon
 

#HBC | Mac

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Hey Macman, what'cha think of DH? I saw you express discomfort about him earlier and would like you're official stance on him.
idk, leaning scum

I can't make sense of alot of his posts. I think the entire TA alliance thing is a group of dumb/scum and he's the only one that I can't rationalize being dumb over scum, simply cuz I literally don't understand what he's tryna say
 

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Why won't more people vote Kantrip? We can't keep X1 a liar forever now can we?
It's because I'm getting a 'dumb or scum' vibe from him. I'm looking at the case/reasoning he has on you and it's so bad. But I'm also sensing a bit of n00bness in his play. It's...bleh.

Can you tell us what we'd learn from a Kantrip lynch?

Thoughts on Kafka and Red Ryu? (You can answer about RR when he answers your question)
He only posted a few times, but he looks like he's been reading and paying attention to the game.I guess I could say I'm content for the moment? *shrugs* It's way too early to ask me that imo

Red Ryu is just 'there' atm. I saw about one or two contributing post, but nothing that really sticks out. I'm hoping he could shed some light onto his suspects (including my own) once he comes back. Right now, I just see him as a 'presence' and nothing more.
 

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idk, leaning scum

I can't make sense of alot of his posts. I think the entire TA alliance thing is a group of dumb/scum and he's the only one that I can't rationalize being dumb over scum, simply cuz I literally don't understand what he's tryna say
I don't think you read how it went down, considering I was opposed to the idea pretty much the whole time.

-sigh-
 

#HBC | Mac

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So I'm ok with lynching

Rockin
Chaco
Rajam
X1

In that order and are curious as to what wagon people would like to hop on first.

I believe in my first two its an 80 percent chance one of them is scum.
Down with this list cept in reverse.

Around post #240. Orboknown is obv scum.
. Immediate posture of trying to act like helpful, but the questions he made are incredibly non-leading-to-anywhere. Also, before D1 even started, he barely / didn't get involved in the TA discussion, but as soon as the game officialy began, he made a lot of questions focused on that issue; is like he saved those questions to show a strong D1's start.

FoS: Orboknown

:079:
dumb post, none of what you said about orbo seems scummy

orbo is obvscum yet you only fos?

So far (~ middle of page 8) I'd put him as slightly town. His questions are weird in a dumb sense, but I don't perceive scummy intentions, like problems in creating directions, or attempting to gain a strong or safe position more than scumhunting. He has also been quite assertive imo. His actions / questions also seem like the classical dumb-stuff in which scum would jump on to have a safe scumpick around; this is also why I didn't like the last post I quoted of Pink Lemonade.
ah I agree

Rajam however I'm starting to see problems. It's not the amount of posts that's bothering me. it's really 'what's he saying.' He being pretty sluggish in catching up. It's recoommanded that he actually makes a post when he's fully caught up. All he's saying so far are either old news or just dumb (example: his latest post he made today)
What was dumb about rajams latest post? (The one I just quoted)

Marshy and Macman are being useless. I don't feel like Macman's questions have been really useful or could draw a real purpose out of things, so I'm slightly suspicious of him just for that.
I agree.. i don't think most of em has as been useful i hoped

@Macman: Why were you asking the questions that you did? Why is the TA important to you, and how is it helping you form your reads? Also I don't think you've answered my question about DH. If you did quote it for me please.
I asked axel his q cuz hes never played with me so I didn't know how he came to that conclusion about my activity (didnt realize he was a hydra)

I asked the TA those questions cuz I needed to better guage whether they were dumb/scum and everyone needs to be held accountable to their actions especially if it doesn't seem like they were done in order to help find scum. I agree that focusing on the TA is useless and I didn't want to center on it. I'm more interested in how others responded to the TA thing like inferno and dooms

I asked dooms his question cuz he gave off a strong self survival vibe which is usually a scum tell and sometimes a noob tell. I wanted to know if that;s just how his mentality of mafia is

on second thought I don't wanna lynch rajam today.

still down for lynching X-1.
 

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also orboknown is like a ghost in this game, I can't think of anything he's done.
 

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This was the post I was refering to Macman

Around post #240. Orboknown is obv scum.
. Immediate posture of trying to act like helpful, but the questions he made are incredibly non-leading-to-anywhere. Also, before D1 even started, he barely / didn't get involved in the TA discussion, but as soon as the game officialy began, he made a lot of questions focused on that issue; is like he saved those questions to show a strong D1's start.

FoS: Orboknown

:079:
 

#HBC | marshy

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why? You want me as vig food D:
i mean youre not voting anyone else and the deadline is upcoming soon (specially cuz upcoming weekend) so wuddyave got to lose son? might as well make use of it son. we can bros (JUST bros nothing more rockin) til you die son

:phone:
 

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Right its a long one, sorry guys

also @MOD: V/LA Sunday-Tuesday, am visiting my Brother, may have PC access may not.

X1 purely curious but why do you care about establishing that OS is town? It's not like it's really been an issue so why focus on it?
I didn't focus on it, I mentioned it once or perhaps twice?

Because it doesn't force this [sheeping] when he still has a voice in this.
What are you even saying here? You attacked Kantrip for his decision to not join the majority and because "he seems objected to joining in a group mentality and sheeping sort of way". You then go on to explain how sheeping is not a bad thing, but when I state clearly that it is you say the above? What does that have to do with anything? How does any of what you've said add up to an attack at Kantrip? Even having read what you posted later about sheeping still doesn't explain to me exactly how you got your attack on Kantrip from what he did

Pink Lemonade - I don't have much of a stance on anyone cause I really don't see anyone scummy atm. Unlike most people who just calls out 'town' or 'scum' in the first two posts, I like to take my time and try to peice together information so as to see who's scummy and who's townie. Curious, do you approve of the wagon on me, or my lynch? Couldn't quite understood your stance on me.
Why are you asking this question [bolded]? why are worrying about the wagon on you? It looks like you are trying to get Pink to disagree with it in order to deflect attention from you and reduce the credibility of your wagon. Furthermore, why do you care about his stance on you? Why do you care about what people think of you?? Your later post #530 reeks even more of terrified scum

Rockin is pretty scummy because he's taking extremely wishy washy stances while making sure his only style of play thus far has to take more defensive stances on inactives giving him the easy out of "I didn't want to lynch them anyways" if they flip town.

Chaco has basically only commented on game mechanic/fluff/TA Alliance Mechanics and has done little to no discernible scum hunting or making any sort of reads.
@KevinM: What functional differences did you find between Chaco and Rockin's play? And also why are your Chaco and Rockin reads different here?

You act like all these "bad" things that have come from putting himself out there in the limelight so early have permanently damaged his chances of winning if he's scum. It's funny that you claim you actually believe all that, when your very disposition toward him tells a completely different story. If all this attention he's getting is so damning, and all these "votes" he's gotten (btw, he has one and its FROM ME), are [is] equally damning, then why exactly is it that you're so convinced he's town? It seems to me that if people like you are going to react to him putting himself out there by saying "lol wow that's way to ballsy for him to do as scum he must be town cuz hes ******** otherwise" then he'd probably one ****ing happy camper as scum. How do you not get that yet?
Your bolded argument is completely circular and ********. I said what he did gets him attention as scum, you say "well YOU got a town read out of it, therefore your original suggestion is wrong!" - This argument could be applied to literally any scumtell. "He's only doing that scum/towntell because he knows you'll interpret it as a scum/town tell". I believe he's town because from what I know of Axel, combined with everything I've said to you makes me believe that course of action was not something Zen would choose to do as scum. Its not that hard to get.

Yep, because if you say that it achieves nothing, it obviously achieves nothing. I just explained to you why explaining the deeper layers of his behavior is beneficial information to have, and you respond by saying "lol non-content it does nothing".
Have you? All you said was "How is more nuanced explanation not beneficial". For a start in this case it wasn't, you managed to spend a paragraph giving a running commentary, mere observations which are no better than merely mechanically describing OS' actions.

How the **** could I be the one pulling OMGUS on him? HE ****ING SAID OMGUS FIRST! I never accused him of OMGUS until I thought he was trying to spin it on me because of the way he worded his response to my rebuttal of his awful response to my initial attack and vote on him.
Seriously are you intentionally being dense here? This is like the 10th time its been explained. Kantrip's post here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14279420&postcount=357 says you are playing the "OMGUS card" He doesn't mean what you say is OMGUS, he means he feels your response to him is essentially going "eh what Kant said is just OMGUS" (even though you didn't directly use the phrase

@X1: Cause they're all ridiculously long, and unnecessary. Concision is pro-town.
How have you already decided they are dumb and not scum though? Beyond that is everyone who posts walls dumb? What about OS? And what if EE had posted a wall?

So I'm scummy for not scum hunting? Kafk, all you're doing is reaching. If you can prove me otherwise I'd love to see it. Kevin, you have nothing, once again other than I haven't been posting my reads. Oh, big surprise there. That's just ****ing stupid.

And I haven't even caught up, I've been at work every day since I've been back. So, guess what I'm doing now? Apparently people forget this running I work a **** ton on top of school. It takes me a minute sometimes. Jesus.
So you haven't caught up with the game (which is tantamount to saying you haven't done anything, and thus, haven't scumhunted) - So why do you say Kafk's attack on you is a reach when its true?? Unless you actually believe you'd done any scumhunting before this point? Furthermore why are you so defensive and why are you lashing out at everyone that attacks you? Look at #538 You've claimed to have done more than Kevin, firstly how?, and then you say his reads list is crap, how do you know this??? Also in your #539 You're deflecting real bad, how does other people doing something scummy make it OK for you to do it? Even with that aside, how would you think that you contributing merely a discussion about walls, one attack on Rockin and several empty posts justified by two pages of mechanics discussion?

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Vote: Chaco


So we're clear here:

Do like: OS/DH
Kinda like: Kant/Zen
Kinda don't like: Joey/RR
Don't like: Chaco/Rockin/FF

People with no mention I'm null or have no read on. Also should mention that I'd rather a lynch of lurkers/non-players such as Rajam and probably Orbo than of the people in my kinda don't like category.

Will post again before tomorrow is out so I can answer anything/make a decent post before V/LA then should be able to make a post on Tues before the deadline.
 

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frozenflame751- (1) Kantrip
KevinM- (1) Overswarm
X1-12- (4) Red Ruy, Macman, J, Marshy
Rajam- (1) Orboknown
Rockin- (3) KevinM, Chaco, Pink Lemonade
Dark Horse- (0)
Macman- (0)
marshy- (0)
Chaco- (2) Kafkaesque, X1-12
Pink Lemonade (Ranmaru/July hydra)- (3) Dooms, Rajam, Dark Horse
Kafkaesque- (0)
J- (0)
Red Ryu- (0)
Orboknown- (0)
Kantrip- (1) Frozenflame
Dooms- (0)
Overswarm- ()

Not Voting- (1) Rockin
 

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No on macman. Pick one of the others.
Errr, why not? Also why only one? If you're really only to do one then do Chaco since he's being a little less focused on right now than Rockin.

While I do agree that my vote being in the 'not voting' category is useless, I rather not wave my vote willy nilly. There currently isn't anyone that I feel is either scummy or someone I want to pressure. I'm sorry if this bothers ya =/



I can see where you're coming from with that mindset for Chaco. Granted I don't see that as being scummy since I feel I'm somewhere around that same ground he's on (though I'm doing my best to fix that). I wouldn't mind hearing more what he has to say though about other people (if he has others in mind).
To respond to the second paragraph first., hypocrisy is annoying but not scummy. Honestly wouldn't care if you hypocritically called Chaco scum as no one should.

To respond to the first paragraph, I don't see why it's an issue for you to place your vote somewhere. Even if you're not confident in any of your reads, you have at the very least expressed suspicion of some people. Don't be a Chaco and just accept and apologize for doing something scummy, fix it.

So I'm scummy for not scum hunting? Kafk, all you're doing is reaching. If you can prove me otherwise I'd love to see it. Kevin, you have nothing, once again other than I haven't been posting my reads. Oh, big surprise there. That's just ****ing stupid.

And I haven't even caught up, I've been at work every day since I've been back. So, guess what I'm doing now? Apparently people forget this running I work a **** ton on top of school. It takes me a minute sometimes. Jesus.
Okay, I can understand being busy. However, you're totally misrepresenting what I'm saying. It's not just that you're not scumhunting, it's that I believe you've made posts simply for the sake of making posts. Just shttp://www.smashboards.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=14300353o to seem active. In all of you're posts, you've haven't displayed any town intent, which in my book is scummy in itself.

To be honest, I asked if you saw where I was coming from, and you didn't respond. So that's your fault for thinking I'm avoiding conflict, but like I said, it's because I didn't read and just skimmed that I didn't see he invited them. Voting patterns are legit, and applied derivatives of. So, what's your point here? Oh wait, none.
I don't see how not responding to that question negates my suspicion of you.
 

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why is this game still in dayphase?

kafka im not sure what you mean by me and macman being vig fodder. weve shown usefulness by suspecting scumbags such as joey and scumferno. to answer your question as for what i think of x1 he should die. how you can say macman should be shot over the other scumbags in this game astounds me

vig dont listen to kafka. stick with vander x1 rajam rockin

guys hop this wagon
Right, and I said myself that "the only way to read you is through seeing which of our reads we agree with you on." Simply putting out reads makes it hard for people to read you, and not giving reasoning for your reads isn't going to get you any follows.

Marshy it was Rajam who I wanted reasoning on, not X1. Do you have any other reason for wanting him dead besides him being useless?

idk, leaning scum

I can't make sense of alot of his posts. I think the entire TA alliance thing is a group of dumb/scum and he's the only one that I can't rationalize being dumb over scum, simply cuz I literally don't understand what he's tryna say
Wait, why does not understanding someone = scummy?
 

#HBC | Mac

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I didn't say that. I said i think he's dumb/scum and that since I can't understand his posts I can't rationalize him being dumb over scum like I could with kantrip or axel. (well axel only cuz marshy said he thinks hes town and I feel like going with that)
 

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2. #127. He questioned Joey about whether it mattered if votes counted or not. First of all think about how useless this question is. There is nothing he could possibly gain from this. He asked this because he is nervous about mistakingly voting pregame.
Question is not useless. Establishing interaction with a player who entered the game awkwardly. Ran was right to question Joey here.

Inferno, I said that the person who disagrees COULD choose to leave, not forced.

Gotta agree on the pink lemonade. There's also the fact that pink has hardly shown any actual opinions.
Sheeping. Dislike.

I understand that Axel just wants a little help from his friends, but this makes absolutely no sense. It says that you, Axel, and Kantrip will all vote for the same person and if not they are not part of your TA. If it was really an alliance then the opinions of the other members would be respected instead of brushed off. Let's take what Axel proposed that you all vote for Lemon D1. If either you or Kantrip agrees it basically forces the other one to vote with them or leave. Assuming OS decides to let his vote stay with Axel, this gives him a lot of power.
I like you.

So I'm guessing that part of the reason this pre-confirmation exists is that someone gets to kill someone before the game begins. Maybe me.
Interesting.

Like Pink Lemonade here. His reasoning is sound, DH is fake contenting, not scum hunting.

@Marshy: Why aren't you voting DH here. Interesting. Noted.

@Lemon: Your response adequately addresses my post. Though your play has suddenly changed. You sound a bit like Overswarm. I wonder if he is aiding in your responses.

@Lemon: If you would lynch the lurkers, why would you disagree with them claiming?

Blatant defense of Lemon here.

Lemon scum = OS scum.
Zen why are you still going on about this alliance stuff when DH is scummy. You're calling out Ran on agreeing to kill lurkers if they lurk, what? Dislike.

It wasn't bs at all.
Did you have a PR in Time Travelers? That's how you're playing here. Awkard as hell.
Ran was town there. Are you hinting that you know he's town? This is bad Zen. You're not bad, quit being bad.

Should I bother reading it?
How are you quoting posts without reading? Scummagic

+1 and agree with Dark Horse suspicion. His answer to my motion/notion could tip the scale for me.
Goooood, but where is your vote?

#228 Orbo votes DH… for not explaining things well. The vote is good but the reasoning bad. Hmm.

Nah I don't want SF 2.0, policy lynch plz.
Why are you afraid of Zen? Specifically, you're afraid of him and want to Policy lynch him. But you don't think he's scum. What. Dislike.

SF = Shining Force? If so, why would you not want a repeat of that? That was a very good town game.

Vote: Red Ryu
Good man. I like this vote.

Lol at Joey disagreeing with me.

Macman votes my slot, and his only pressure/questioning is asking if Joey is new. Weird and noted.

Vote: Inferno

You're really obvscum right now Inferno. Your last post was completely useless and you're just trying to look like you're making observations.
No he answered a question. Not getting scum inferno at all. Enlighten me.

#274: Rockin gives not much content. He gets macman status.

#278: Red Ryu votes x1 as he replaces in. Why. What are you hoping to achieve from this. The macman sheep is bad too.

Since we could amend stuff, I figured there could be no loss, as everything wrong could just be removed. The thing is, if we leave no penalty for having a different opinion than the majority, then there is no reason for the group to exist.

RR's push on zen is grimy as hell. Not only is he advocating a policy lynch, he's advocating it mostly because of what happened to himself in SF2 mafia. Not only is that pretty self-centered, it could be showing how RR doesn't want to be attacked, hence the push on Zen.

Vote: RR
Like this vote on RR, even if the reasoning isn't that solid, I get the point you're making here DH. You're confusing me with different vibes though, but I like this direction.

OMMGGGGGG!!!!!!! I was just about to tell you that you should start playing again.

Alright reading now. I'm happy happy land :happysheep:
No Zen I thought you were scummy. Are you intentionally dropping these town tells. That's rhetorical btw.

These X1 votes are baaaadddddd. Axel/marshy you should feel bad.

I'll cover X1 later when I'm off of work but I'm here to remind you all we gotta policy lynch Axel before the day is over.

This will happen today.

:phone:
You're continuing to not think. Thinking you should die.

I don't like dooms. He isn't really looking at Axel's intent, and just trying to seem town by being against his town alliance thing. His response to RR was a bit abrasive too, I don't see why he responded like that.

Vote: Dooms
Like Ran looking in different directions. Townish. Shame he's voting my slot.

Like seriously, I was trying to gambit reactions but I think I legitimately made Zen feel bad about playing, like **** I feel like a total *******.
Do you ever scum hunt?

So what is your DH read then? You promised to look over it but haven't? You're still avoiding giving this read... why is this??

I don't think much about it, I always have reads that I can't give what people would consider sufficient reasoning for and thus don't post reasoning much like I have with DH al ready. Considering FE doesn't mean anything, If he did it as scum once he definitely knows that he did that and thus trying to ascertain whether he'd knowingly do it again is WIFOM.

I'm pretty confident that OS can only play scum by devising and following a strict plan (@Overswarm: Would you agree?) and I saw that immediately in FE, here he's not, like I said to Zen he's pretty clearly undirected and unplanned which gives me a town read on him. Also his willingness to follow his own agenda down tangents (i.e post #97)

@DH: what do you think about dooms?
Good point about OS so far. I agree.

Ok up to page 9. Should finish rereading by tonight. So reads thus far:

Dislike Red Ryu. Want to see what he was trying to achieve with that Zen "gambit." He's not doing much else. Didn't like his X1 vote either. Why's he trying to push a wagon on someone who replaced out?
Macman is weird. Don't like him jumping on the X1 wagon like he did. In fact I have distaste for that entire wagon.
I wanna put Zen as scum. He's dropping Town tells but they're weird and aren't totally in line with the rest of his play. His Pink Lemonade pressure was bad, he should have dropped it after Ran's first couple responses but he kept pushing it.

Town reads: I like Ran/X1/OS. Would chainsaw defend for any of these guys in that order.

Rest are I dunno, want to see more content from.

Vote: Red Ryu this is where I'd go.

More later :bee:
 

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Who did vandy replace?

@vandy: I don't like your catchup. It's too surface-level. My Inferno pressure, for example, was not to be taken literally. I was baiting a reaction to being called obvscum early in the game before I had other leads, not actually having that read. You asked where my vote is without seeing where my vote is, too.

It's pretty useless on FF right now though, and I don't think X1 is feeling enough love.

Vote: X1-12
 

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I replaced Joey.

Also, I didn't take your inferno scum read literally, however I thought it was quite a misplaced call out to make and pressure was warranted elsewhere (i.e. Dark Horse).

When I said "where is your vote", I'm suggesting that you didn't vote DH despite agreeing with the suspicion on him. Considering you later on went to bait a reaction out of inferno, how come you didn't follow up your Dark Horse suspicion with pressure?
 

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Also, just throwing it out there but I'm more a reread again and again type of guy. So my PbP analysis is usually pretty shallow till I'm seeing the whole picture, ya dig? Will finish catching up tomorrow hopefully.
 

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To answer whoever asked me why I didn't want Rajam dead, it's because I'm not using a lynch on a slot that is easy to push off meta and activity and one that can display better later.

There are bigger fish to fry than him.

:phone:
 

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Why are you asking this question [bolded]? why are worrying about the wagon on you? It looks like you are trying to get Pink to disagree with it in order to deflect attention from you and reduce the credibility of your wagon. Furthermore, why do you care about his stance on you? Why do you care about what people think of you?? Your later post #530 reeks even more of terrified scum
If you looked at the times when Pink Lemonade posted about me, you would noticed that she said she approves the 'wagon' and not 'lynch.' I was not sure if they wanted to see more information brought out of me due to pressure, or if they were after my lynch (because the first time she mentioned my liking of the wagon, she didn't place a vote on me)

I'm worried about the wagon cause, out of the 3, only two of them somewhat explained their reasoning (and neither one of them were KevinM at the time). Even then, I feel their reasoning was a bit wrong, since I wasn't trying to side myself with OS. I'm just wondering why people is trying to figure him out so quickly. Like aside from Axel, OS was getting some attention and he only posted 2-3 at the time. I don't think any of those three posts was really note-worthy if I remember right. This is why I felt the attention on OS was 'weird'

well if you think a wagon on you is stupid, of course you're gonna say something about it lol.

Again, all posts from Pink Lemonade in relation to me was both a question about axel and just the likeness of my wagon. I needed to find more information and reasoning behind it. Same goes for the people on it.

....err, you wasn't there at the time, but there was KevinM, Chaco, and Pink Lemonade in that order. The vote tally on it at the time said 2, so I had to make sure it was accurate. Why the hell are you reaching?

F.O.S: X1-12

To respond to the first paragraph, I don't see why it's an issue for you to place your vote somewhere. Even if you're not confident in any of your reads, you have at the very least expressed suspicion of some people. Don't be a Chaco and just accept and apologize for doing something scummy, fix it.
Because I have to answer to them in the future when a case is presented on me. I hate to be all 'duuuuuuur, that vote was totally random.' I'm pretty sure you have seen/been in previous games where, when you/someone made a case on them and their vote pattern, they either gave a strong/legitimate reasoning or a weak reasoning. I like to feel confident if the vote was ever questioned by me in the future, I could easily tell them.

Vote: Kantrip
 

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So many replacements so early..

Also as for whoever asked me the difference between Rockin Chaco basically looked at it as

Rockin wasn't making any solid stances on a player but was still at least commenting on things despite being extremely wishy-washy and not really doing anything besides defending inactives/players not in the spotlight with slight pressure on them.

Chaco mainly talked about game mechanics, TA Alliance, safe blankets of information that didn't give any information about how he felt about players in the game.

OS: You're a vig and you get to shoot tonight, who do you shoot?
 

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@Rockin: Are you voting per FF's request or of your own accord?

@vandy: Ah, I see what you're getting at now. I should have put "I agree with DH pressure" instead of "suspicion", because as I said in that post: "His answer to my question could tip the scale for me." I didn't actually have him as scummy over town, but there were things about his early play that were worth pressuring him over. Does that make sense?
I get you on the catchup thing, I'll wait to see where you go.

V/LA today at a smash tourney
 

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frozenflame751- (0)
KevinM- (1) Overswarm
X1-12- (5) Red Ruy, Macman, J, Marshy, Kantrip
Rajam- (1) Orboknown
Rockin- (3) KevinM, Chaco, Pink Lemonade
Dark Horse- (0)
Macman- (0)
marshy- (0)
Vinyl.- (2) Kafkaesque, X1-12
Pink Lemonade (Ranmaru/July hydra)- (2) Rajam, Dark Horse
Kafkaesque- (0)
J- (0)
Red Ryu- (1) Vanderzant
Orboknown- (0)
Kantrip- (2) Frozenflame, Rockin
Vanderzant- (0)
Overswarm- (0)

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@Rockin: Are you voting per FF's request or of your own accord?

@vandy: Ah, I see what you're getting at now. I should have put "I agree with DH pressure" instead of "suspicion", because as I said in that post: "His answer to my question could tip the scale for me." I didn't actually have him as scummy over town, but there were things about his early play that were worth pressuring him over. Does that make sense?
I get you on the catchup thing, I'll wait to see where you go.

V/LA today at a smash tourney
On my own behalf.

NORMALLY I don't really considered much of the 'dumb or scum' within a player, but after seeing DH'sflip on SH II, I may have to.

I still would want Frozen to explain the benefit of your lynch.
 

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KevinM said:
OS: You're a vig and you get to shoot tonight, who do you shoot?
Whoever pisses me off the most, unless I have an actual read. Probably someone who wouldn't do much for the end game or would be a likely distraction during the day phase if I couldn't find a scummy player worth shooting. I've only been reading a few players in this game at the moment so I don't know specifically who I'd shoot.


I'll get to whats-his-faces request on Chaco later, just got back from tourney. Tired.
 

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It's a pretty standard answer and very easy to say regardless of alignment. Please don't get a shallow town read on him for that question....
 

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Aight I'm off going V/LA now till sometime Tuesday, not much has changed since last post, Rockin's reply hasn't changed my mind on him. Just check out the end of my #571 if you want to know where I stand, I'm very much OK with leaving my vote on Chaco's slot atm
 

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I finally finished my readthrough of this game. My goodness that was longer than I expected though I did put it off for quite some time. Plus I doubt people are going to be posting much today considering it is Easter but yeah.

Well I don't have that much enlightening things to say besides one read which is Kafkaesque(I cannot get saying this name enough), so I'll explain that one first. My gut is shouting to me that they are scum because I feel that most of what they have posted have been purely null and I don't like that fact especially when it feels like its the Swords side of the hydra doing a majority of the posting. His picks for vigging were just weird and I don't get why he picked Macman/Marshy, he says because they are unhelpful but what about Orbo or Rajam or even myself for being a non-presence. I also do not care for his voting history this game of the first one being OS for shallow reasoning against him that someone called them out on and then their most current suspicions just line up with popular thought all of a sudden with Chaco/Rockin suspicion. The thing I dislike the most about this slot would be how they have not really gotten their hands dirty yet, but they have said things/done light actions. Nothing from them seem to be "good" enough (if you understand where I coming with that wording) this game. I don't have much to go on to call them scum but I want to. However, there is really not enough time in the day phase to vote them and would be haphazard to do as such so they just get an FoS from me.

FoS: Kafkaesque

Which actually is a perfect way to fit my suspicion on them. Its there but not enough to warrant a vote.

Rockin seems wishy washy this game but I can't say I see the scum-intent in his actions and they just seem more pitiful. However, dislike his almost random Kanty vote because I did not think he was going to be going there plus it does not make sense to introduce another wagon so close to deadline, especially when Kanty even dropped his vote on FF due to it not going anywhere.

Chaco is someone who I am alright with getting rid of toDay because I completely agree with KevinM in the fact that he has just been revolving around mechanics and not doing any scum-hunting. I do, however, want to add on that I disliked Chaco's way of trying to get scumreads in the beginning of the game with Axel's TA where he said, "I see what you did there, everyone who hopped on is now on my radar." which is a terrible statement to make especially considering that no one hopped on but Axel picked those people for a reason (don't ask me cuz I have no clue why Zen did what he did).

Vandy's slot vs. Pink Lemonade seem like a TvT argument gone on for way too long with their walls and I will be honest and say I began to skim them a tad because they seemeed to get repetitive with their points and it didn't seem to go much more anywhere besides stationary and revolving around them. The thing I liked about both of them though is that they did not let the debate between the both of them stop from scum-hunting on others. I didn't really follow that debate to see who would be the winner in the end but because of the debate, I got a better read on both their slots.

As a side-note for the DH portion of that battle: Null on this slot because I don't know where to place him yet, he is a slot that is hardish for me to read because his intent is always out there. Atm if I had to pick a side, I'd probably lean scummy due to the nature of his posts seeming to lack town intent and instead have more of a "me" intent to them.

KevinM would be my strongest town read this game and I have to say I am thoroughly pleased with pretty much everything he has posted. I find him to be scum-hunting and pressuring his scum-reads really well. OS' suspicion of him does not make sense to me, however, OS leans more town for me. I do agree with KevinM though that his vote being on KevinM is useless and kind of a waste.

RR is a lean-town read at the moment, however that's gut because of what he did to my other half of the hydra. I know he loves his gambits but it felt more sincere his reaction to making my other half get out of this game due to his behavior. Problem with him though, he hasn't done much besides ask a few questions here and there and nothing really much else.

Macman/Marshy/Rajam/Orbo are nulls, good with an investigative being on them.

Now onto the final three that have been in a debate that spans so many pages. (FF/Kanty/X1-12) This argument is one I skimmed to be fair because it seemed to develop the same problem with Ran/Joey's debate. The thing about it is though, I get much more of a tunneling vibe from FF and I would like to see him do something that doesn't really revolve around himself and actually get involved with other players besides being engorged in the argument he is having with X1-12/Kanty. Kanty I literally have no read on him at the current time because their are some posts that I like and some I don't. X1-Inferno slot though I have a little clearer read, though, its based on Inferno's beginning posts which I did not care for (@Vandy: Explanation for why you liked Inferno/X1 earlier on will need to be explained, especially with how this game is going) because they were wagony in the beginning and lacked reasoning. Now X1 has just gotten himself into a position that he hasn't really dug himself out of ever since replacing in. Lean scum on that slot and I would be happy with seeing it go because we will get tons of info on the slot because practically everyone has an opinion on this slot.

Something for all three though, I would like to see more from them that doesn't involve the three of them arguing together.

Tl;dr - Here's a reads list that sums up the post.

Town - KevinM, PL, Vandy
Lean Town - RR/OS
Null - Kanty/Rockin/Orbo/Rajam/Marshy/Macman/Frozenflame
Lean Scum - X1-12/DH/Kafkaesque
Scum - Vinyl.

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Anyways now I'm in this game. ^^
 

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Oh another note to Kafka, I don't really get much towniness exuding from them like at all.
 

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macman should not be investigated or vigged. complete wastes of potential power roles

request votecount

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