I'm back from work you guys.
Here's my view on this situation. First off, Cello was town; however he did a lot of lying and quite frankly, nothing was going to stop him from dying. That being said though, I wondered about a few things that Cello said earlier in the game. One, he said that Swiss was innocent as 'day-cop'. While there's no really validity in this considering there was no real claim, I feel that Cello might have went along with this regardless, and he was confident enough in Swiss to call him town.
Now Kuz on the other hand, I still think we should follow on with that kill ='/. I will look more into this however to confirm any inconsistencies.
Now, a really big 'scum-tell' is apparently me calling out rPSI. Not going to lie, when I saw he died D2 I was ecstatic to throw that out there. Remember a few things about rPSI.
1) He has a town read on me and Cello, and was one of the few people who not only had a town read on Cello, but also didn't stick on the lynch of Cello.
2) Outside of his Cello read, a -great- deal of conversation was based on his meta on me; saying that I was town.
This would be a good trap for Mafia to take, kill rPSI, wait for me to bring up the rPSI meta, use it as bait to get me killed.
*inb4imdiggingmyselfintoadeeperhole*
rPSI has played with me in multiple games, and has -always- been right about my alignment, regardless of how I play. Why would this suddenly change now?
Honestly, I have a problem with people pushing away from Cello's / rPSI's reads, considering they are the only people who are confirmed town
I really don't like how this is completely focused around Cello's reads; Cello is dead, his reads are now static, since then people have become less active, Kuz has become more vocal about entire town, Delvro still seems scummy, but of his own accord
When did you realize that the rPSI kill would be a good trap for mafia to take so they could get you "mislynched"?
I think that's a pretty valid reason Kuz; Liars get lynched.
Kuz pointed out in the post before this one that after Cello's death you switched your scum picks and followed Cello's. But then you say "lairs get lynched"...so why change your scum pick from Swiss to Kuz? Your reason for thinking Swiss is town is clearly against your own logic, and has as weak of a stance as your suspicion of Kuz because they are both built upon solely Cello's reads.
And the fact that you are following Cello's scum picks doesn't make you any less scummy. Saying that you are following a dead townie's leads is like pushing the responsibility of scum hunting off yourself and saying "Look, I'm following a town read, that makes me town!" Not liking that.
@Swiss, July, Dourin, Axel - Thoughts on Roxy after our previous exchange?
Probably self-explanatory, but still think that Roxy is scummy.
This side is not happy with the other sides actions when I told him specifically some things that he went against what I said.
Nothing I can do but tell him that I'm gonna be posting a lot more, need a re-read. Also this side is in control a bit more as well.
I also have another problem to deal with behind the scenes.
Might do it toMorrow morning when I wake up. Sorry for our not posting much, we need to rediscuss some things.
Interesting, willing to let Axel go until toMorrow and see what happens. Still suspicious, but would rather see Roxy first.
Everything Roxy says makes perfect sense.
Or Delvro. Like, after 3 pages of discussion and telling us that Roxy is the only person on Cello's wagon that wasn't scummy for no reason, you come in and say that Roxy is making "perfect sense" for absolutely no reason. Can you please explain
why you think that Roxy's argument makes sense?
There were 2 people who expressed some suspicion of you, not even voting you or making a case, Kuz was still more in favour of lynching Clown. To say everyone has you as a primary target is just overreacting a lot, it were only 2 people at that time.
You were defending yourself from basically nothing, very overdefensive reaction I'd say.
Also, what reactions were you looking for with:
Exactly, my vote was still on Clown at the time as well. You had a couple people pressuring you and you responded overly defensively, leading to even more suspicion amongst more people for you, which makes sense since you haven't even been scum hunting, just pushing Kuz for being Cello's suspect.
Trying reading my defense, it answers that essentially; i wanted people to see the connection. Dourin why you pushing homie? There are only about four active people, and I saw them all feeling me as a lynch, save delvro. swiss, kuz,july, clownand now you, that's five, axel doesn't count because he hasn't said **** anyways. Reading is fundamental, how does it have no base if it's basically the informations dead townies left for us? We're going to use scumCello meta to get him lynched, then stop at townRoxy meta?
A dead townie's opinion should not be enough to get someone lynched. If you really want us to suspect Kuz, then you would find reasons
in addition to Cello's reads to convince us. Annnd, this once again looks like relying on dead townie opinion just to make yourself look more town.
I really didnt defend anything honestly, I'm just showing two things that i saw d1 that could be of help. I'm unsure about delvro, he agreed (or at least understood) my reasonings d1 just as much as d2, he's also just as inactive, so I dunno. It's not paranoia Kuz, d2 is at a standstill, inactives are still inactive, everyone here is on my comment about rPSI (or it's considered great reasoning for the nk so it's in everyone's thoughts) i can only imagine that most people who view this thread will only be seeing me in a bad light, hence my instant defending. @july - how do you feel about your vote? Do you think it means something?
I'm not happy about my voting situation, but that doesn't mean I won't still push for who I think is scum. I assume that someone wants Dourin dead because they think he is scum, but I do not.
Hey guys! I came across something cool!
While lynching under Cello's claim is probably a good idea; I'm okay with Kuz for the time being after a re-read; i got nothin on him :'(
I also got something else of importance, but i'm waiting until people get active.
SO even after re-reading you have no reason to suspect Kuz on your own? Did you find any reasons to suspect anyone else?
Why isn't Swiss dead yet?
Roxy, put your vote on Swiss with me. You too, Clownbot.
Don't kill Roxy!
Kill Swiss!
This...is a really painful post. After so much discussion, Delvro, your response is to totally ignore EVERYTHING said between Kuz and Roxy and push for Swiss with absolutely no explanation for your actions. Would absolutely be okay with a Delvro lynch toDay if not Roxy.
