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[The_Guide]

Has town given up or something? Its far into the last day, and we let a day go by with no activity?

I'm typing out an analysis of ssbf as soon as i get home. We've got to get moving.

 

[vanderzant]

[collapse=ISO Read/Notes]#49: Says he doesn't like using "hunch stuff" as reasons for voting people
#88: Tells guide not to point out scummy behaviour. Specifically, it was DZLE that guide accused.
#107: Asks a question
#167: Gives an excuse for being away. Asks for Exn to elaborate on why he's scummy, even though he already did. Skimming
#182: Clarifies that he missed the above
#241: Responds to Exn's case on him. Says he "should be doing more"
#266: Reiterates that he's been away.
#292: Votes Ermac. Reason being:

"He gives the illusion of helping while not really doing much of anything, just cute fluffy write-ups etc." Also says that Vrael is suspicious (gut feeling)

#309: Goes into depth about ermac/responds to him.
#360: Says "Great posts Exn and Ermac" yet keeps his vote on ermac
#451: Big absence here. Promises to re read
#454: Questions me.
#478: Wants to discuss night actions in more in depth. Not a real fan of this.
#555: Responds to Greenstreets FOS on him. More night time assumptions. Tries to pull an OS so to speak.
#558: Says he's suspicious of guide. Shrugs off where people ask why he was absent near the deadline.
#563: Shrugs off Green's suspicions
#574: Explains his reasons for targeting guide, questions/pressures Green[/collapse]

Votes
-Ermac (#292)

Suspicions
-Ermac
-Guide
-Vrael
-Green

Other Interactions

Strong
-Ermac
-Exn
-Guide
-Green

Light
-Me
-OS
-DZLE/Riddle

None
-Clownbot
-Dancer
-Super smash bros. fan


Basically, Nday hasn't really done anything significant this game. He only ever voted Ermac, casted light suspicion on a few other players. He's been the most inactive by a considerable amount, over 20 days. I know our mod is v/la, but it's odd to me that no one has really discussed or talked about his absence, or been to concerned about him being replaced. For example, on Day 2 the only person to outright place suspicion on Nday (before it seemed inevitable that Ermac would be lynched) was Green. To be honest, there isn't really anything else to discuss. The only outright "scummy" action I've seen from him is an intention to discuss Night actions and try and "guess" what scum did.

How he has gone unnoticed for so long escapes me, and thus I will:

Vote: Nday

 

[Mayling]

Vote count:

Riddle (1): Super Smash Bro. Fan
nDay (1): Vanderzant

not voting: Clownbot, GreenStreet, Nday, The Guide, Sworddancer, Riddle

Deadline is set for the last second of 6/27!

Super Smash Bros. Fan, Clownbo, Nday, The_Guide, Sworddancer Have been prodded.

 

[Riddle]

5 prods? Seriously?

Anyway, vanderzant I found that post REALLY weak. Your ISO gave us very little information and your entire case was "nDay has been inactive". a nDay modkill would be much more beneficial since hes been so inactive and your case has very little to do with scumminess.

Vote: Vanderzant

In other news I think these in-depth analyses are dumb and should be done away with immediately, they are promoting inactivity and if all of them are the quality of the one you just did then they won't help us at all even if they are done.

 

[The_Guide]

Wait, why have I been prodded?

 

[The_Guide]

I just realized that if Nday is town, and he doesn't post, we won't be able to lynch scum today. We need 5 to lynch, which is the amount of the sk and town combined. If even one townie is absent, scum can block any lynches.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sorry I didn't put my analysis up when I should have, I had college orientation two days ago and yesterday I was just feeling lazy.

Anyways it's about half way done so it should be up soon.

I just realized that if Nday is town, and he doesn't post, we won't be able to lynch scum today. We need 5 to lynch, which is the amount of the sk and town combined. If even one townie is absent, scum can block any lynches.

This wouldn't happen, because sk could kill whoever didn't try to lynch Nady.

5 prods? Seriously?

Anyway, vanderzant I found that post REALLY weak. Your ISO gave us very little information and your entire case was "nDay has been inactive". a nDay modkill would be much more beneficial since hes been so inactive and your case has very little to do with scumminess.

Vote: Vanderzant

This. Although I do think NDay needs to be done away with (20 days!? Jeez. . . ), Vanderzant's case was still kinda weak and he could just trying to be pushing for an easy lynch.

In other news I think these in-depth analyses are dumb and should be done away with immediately, they are promoting inactivity and if all of them are the quality of the one you just did then they won't help us at all even if they are done.

Now here I disagree with you. While Vanderzant's analysis was weak, they're not all weak, and they can still help and provide a good amount of insight into a player. On top of that, we really have nothing else to talk about, so while these analysis might take awhile to complete, they are still better than nothing. Surly you can agree with that.

But if you still think that the analysts are bad, then instead of just stating that suggest an alternative or we continue with them.

 

[Deleted member]

I've mostly completed my analysis on DZLE/Riddle. I got all the post by DZLE done. I will work on Riddle after I take a shower.

 

[Riddle]

I think doing what almost every mafia game does and just discussing would be better. Honestly, this has just increased inactivity.

 

[Riddle]

Also, I'm pretty sure its 4 to lynch

 

[The_Guide]

@ riddle

Overswarm, Eddy, Pro-Town Cult Leader, was killed.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is the last second of 6/27 EST!

Special notes!
Please bold and yellow-type your votes.
Please send all night actions/questions to both me and Jungle from now on.

Thank you!

10char

 

[The_Guide]

So, we've got one day left (a real day, not a game day). Nday and Clownbot are nowhere to be seen. Unless one of them shows up, we need to get nearly our entire group to unite to lynch someone. Also, if one of them is town/sk, we can't lynch at all.

That's our situation in a nutshell.

 

[Deleted member]

My analysis of DZLE/Riddle (Warning, both ISO's are very long reads):
[collapse=DZLE's ISO]

I play a lot of Epic Mafia and I have played 3 games now in /DR/.
So you can say i'm not a huge noob, but not exactly a veteran.Vote: rPSI
Cause I

He answer a question by Clownbot and throws a random vote at RocketPSIence.

Bound to happen sometime

Said RocketPSIence was bound to receive a Mafia role sometimes. Points out something interesting. +1

Usually i'll make short sweet and to the point posts. Based on any evidence I find.
When the time comes though I can be known to make a decent sized post with info on a lot of things.

Answer The_Guide's question on how he make decisions in this game.

I can be known to jump on someone based on a gut feeling, although i'll let it be known it's a gut feeling and not take too much of it into account.

Said he could be known for jump on someone based on a gut feeling, but will let us know when it is a gut feeling.

UNVOTE
( becausei'mreadytounvote)

Unvote without giving a solidfied explainatoin. The bottom part was also hidden, so he was guilty of breaking a rule in this game. I really don't like this post. -2

Overswarm, I get the feeling you are a professional.
How do you usually go about D1 in a semi-open set like this?

Said he got a feeling that he was a professional and ask Overswarm how he usually goes around Day 1 in a set-up like this.

Maybe we can have an interesting enough game if Mafia knows what to do... Bahahaha
Anyway, that's basically how I go over D1, Overswarm, probably not as thoroughly but yeah, you said it.

Said we could have an interesting enough game if Mafia knows what to do. Also saying his play is similar to Overswarm during Day 1.

I was sincerely curious.
At this point, no, I don't see any as scummy enough for it to be significant. I'll pay close attention as I should, of course.

Said that he was just curious. He said that at this point, there wasn't anything scummy enough to be important, but said he would pay close attention.

Forum games this makes my 4th.
I've played a lot of Epic Mafia too though.

Said this was his fourth game, but also said he played a lot of Epic Mafia.

Had a tourney, was gone all day. Didn't miss much. I'll see if I can find something to bring up/post about soon.

Said he had a tourney, but didn't miss much. Also said he would see if he could find something to bring up.

Exn isn't sitting right with me atm either. He seems to be posting random things without much substance all, as if we are supposed to automatically get why he said or did it.
Surprising because he was such a strong player in my first mafia game, yet he seems to be barely trying and not caring in this game.FoS: Exn
What are you doing?

Said that Exn wasn't sitting right with him at the moment. Seems to be posting random things without much substance, as if we were suppose to get why Exn said or did the things he did. Said he was a strong player in his first Mafia game, yet seems to barely try and not care in this game. Throws down a FoS on Exn and questoin him. First post in where I think he was truly scum hunting. +1

Vote: Exn Absolutely hating his playstyle right now and he isn't contributing anything with his small one sentance or less uselss posts.FoS: Greenstreet
Because of Guide's PBP.

Said that he hated his playstyle and that he wasn't contributing anything with his one sentence or useless post. Also puts down a FoS on Greenstreet due to The Guide's PSP.

I'm willing to lynch Exn at this point. He is useless at the moment. I don't have an opinion on a No-lynch at this point.
Especially what you have said, has been useless.
I'll agree with this post.

Answers Vrael's question on who he wants to lynch. Said he had no opinion on a No-Lynch by then. Continue to say that Exn has been useless. Agrees with Vrael's last post.

Also, at this point after reading your wall, I simply see it as you nervously making excuses for your lousy and lazy playing. You still seem most scummy out of this whole group thus far to me.

Saw Exn's latest post at that time as a excuse for his previous play. Still called him the scummiest player in the group. This is a good point as I do agree that one post should not automatically mean an unvote. +1
#224

I never told you to do anything. I just said you were being useless and stupid.

Makes a response to Exn, saying he never told Exn to do anything, just said he was being useless and stupid.
#276

I have a lot to read, I'll start now.

Said he had a lot to read and that he would start now. I find this to be a bit weird, mainly because only fifty-two posts were made between this post and the previous post. I find this weird that he said he had a lot to read when some games managed to get hundreads of posts in a real time day (This happen twice in Dragonball Z Mafia).
#277

Alright. I didn't miss a ton from what I last read, surprisingly.
Sorry about the hidden text LOL.

Said he didn't miss a ton for what he last read. He was surprised. Also apoligize for the hidden text.

Basically, Exn is my prime FoS. I'd be content with lynching him if things went that way. But, as OS and a few others pointed out, it's better to have a person whos posting kinda scummy than a person who is not posting AT ALL.
I'll UNVOTE for now and Vote: Lythium.
Lythy, post, please.

Said that Exn was his prime Fos and that he would be content with a lynch on him if that were to happen. But also said it's better to have a person who's posting kind of scummy then a person who's not post at all. Unvote and votes Lynthium.
One thing that bothers me about this post is the first sentence of that post somewhat contradict #276.

Unvote
Thanks for posting, Lythium

Unvotes Lynthium, thanking him for posting.

*joker claps*
That was a brilliant post, and it had a lot of information. Thank you for making it. Exn is still my number 1 FoS and the person i'm indefinitely ok with lynching this day, so i'm going to put my vote back on him since the day's end is coming closer.Vote: Exn
(Note, i only took my vote off him in the first place to pressure lythium into posting. when she posted, i took my vote off her.)

Said it was a brillant post and it had a lot of information, Thanked Dark Ermac for making it. Said Exn was still his #1 lynch candidate and is ok with lynching him. Votes Exn again and explain that his Lynthium vote was more of a pressure vote.

*Shrug*
I'd rather get rid of Exn than an inactive, today. If inactive stays inactive, get rid of their ***.

Said he would rather get rid of Exn than an inactive today. However, he said if inactive stayed inactive, lynch them. To be honest, I don't like this post, because this one really does contradict #277. -1

I think i'm a bit less scummy than the inactives. I changed my vote to lythium ONLY because she didnt post ANYTHING.
After she posted, I switched back. I was one of the original people on Exn.

Said he was a bit less scummy than the inactives. Said he changed his vote to Lynthium only because (s?)he didn't post anything. After Lynthium posted, he switched back. Claimed he was one of the original people to vote Exn.
I personally find this to be an pretty poor excuse for not defending oneself. -1

Sworddancer, SSBF.
I realize Sword is a replacement, but to my knowledge he hasnt posted once...
SSBF hasn't said much lately.
OS hasnt said TOO MUCH, but enough, during that whole Hammer deal.

Said that me and Sworddancer were one of the inactives, because I haven't said much at that time and Sworddancer hasn't posted once. Also said that Overswarm hasn't said too much, but enough around the period of Exn's hammer. DZLE fails to take into account of RocketPSIence and Lynthium, people who were also in Sworddancer's slot before him. Not to mention, this makes him look very hypocritical, as he was the 2nd most inactive player at the time. -2

I retract OS. Reading back, he's posted quite a bit.

Retract his statement on Overswarm, saying he posted quite a bit.
#458

To be perfectly truthful, I forgot about Ndayday. That is why I didn't mention his name. And how is me calling out OS then retracting it a slip-up of mine? I'm not scum, and there is not hard evidence that says I am.

Said he forgot about Nday, saying that's why he didn't mention his name. Ask why calling out OS then retracting it is a slip-up of his. Softclaim saying that he's not scum and there wasn't hard evidence saying he was.

And OS, why do you think you can just tell people what to do? Sure it'd be nice if he made another case, but why not ask another player that hasn't made any cases at all? Why do you have authority over anyone else? You could easily be scum, EASILY.

Ask OS why he thought he could tell people what to do. Also ask him why not ask another player that hasn't made a case at all. His third question was why did he have authority over anyone else? Said he could easily be scum.
The softclaim is something that needs to be looked into more. The last quote basically sounds like he's complaining about Overswarm's playstyle and the last sentence makes it sound like a bit of OMGUS as well. -2

I did my best to help when Exn acted like he did last game. Perhaps i'll make a case on someone then.

Said he did his best to help when Exn acted like his last game (As of this time, not sure what game he's referring to). Said he might make a case on someone.

Niceee gogo bandwagon

Not sure what to say about this. He's probably either being sarcastic about this bandwagon or thinks that he is a good bandwagon. Eithe way, I don't like this post as well. -1

Request for ReplacementI don't have time to defend myself from this Wagon.

Request replacement, saying he doesn't have the time to defend himself from the bandwagon that's on him. If not for his explaination later, this post would probably sound scummy as ****.

I'll try to make my next game in Dgames less dissapointing for everyone. I'm not bouncing solely because im under pressure. i'm a good player, and as you can clearly see i haven't been playing good at all.

Basically said that he would try to make his next game in this site less dissapointing for everyone. Explain that he wasn't replacing out solely because he was under pressure. He said he was a good player, but said he didn't play well at all in here. This is not the explanation that I like. -1

What's different is that my other mafia games I wasn't super busy with irl stuff so I could actually play to my full extent TT
Getting laid off makes your life much busier than when you had a job. Go figure

He said the difference between this Mafia game and others was that he wasn't busy with real life, so he was actually able to play to his full extend. Later said he was laid off and life is much busier then with a job. I can buy this one, although it doesn't excuse his former excuse.

I was just thinking about retracting my replacement statement, for I could probably make a decent post NOW but I don't think overall I could keep it up for the rest of the game. Sorry guys.

Said he was thinking about retracting his replacement statement, as he could probably made a decent post now, but he doesn't think he'll be able to keep up for the rest of the game.[/collapse]
Conclusion on DZLE: His Day 1 play was Okay. Not exactly the best, but there has been a few signs where he actually scum hunted and put forth effort into the game. His Day 2 play was horrible, thought and it gave me a serious suspicion on him. On to Riddle:
[collapse=Riddle's ISO]

I shall read it tonight/tomorrow and post thoughts tomorrow probably.

Said he would read either tonight or tommorow as of that date.

#542

I find it interesting that you are willing to give us a chance to redeem ourselves. We have the same role as our predecessors and us playing less scummily just indicates better play not a different allignment. Of course this also is reversible. My predecessors play was simply bad, not indicative of his allignment.

Said he found it interesting that I would give Riddle a chance to redeem his slot. Goes on to say that he has the same role as our predecessor and him playing less scumminly just indicates better play, not a different alignment. Said it was reversible, using his predecessor as an example.

Anyway my top 2 targets.

Ermac/sold2 - his pbp analyses were scummy. inexperienced Scum in my experience tend to make huge posts that make them look like contributors but really just restate what has already been said. This is exactly what I saw in ermacs posts. I agree with greensteets post stating that succint posts are pro-town.

Mentioned that he had two targets, wiith his first choice being Dark Ermac.. He said that his analysis was scummy, saying that inexperienced scums in his experience tends to make huge posts to make them look like contributors, but just restate what already has been said, saying that it was what he saw in Dark Ermac's post. Agrees with Greenstreet's post stating that succint posts are pro-town.

OS - not so much scummy as anti-town. His deal with it attitude and the way people are blatantly buddying him make it hard to get reads on anyone associated with him as well as him. OS I want to see more reasoning from you and everyone who is buddying him needs to stop right now. I'm honestly surprised you guys have let OS get away with this ****.

Said Overswarm wasn't scummy, but anti-town. Said that Overswarm dealt with attitude and the way people were buddying Overswarm makes it hard to get a read on anyone associated with Overswarm. Wants Overswarm to have more reasoning and wants people to stop buddying him. Surprise that people let Overswarm get away with what he's done.

There are 2 people specifically that I'm getting town reads from but I won't disclose their identities without a good reason.

Said that there were two specific people that he was getting town reads from, but refuse to diclose them. All in all, this is a solid first content-filled post by Riddle. +1

In addition to what i already said about ermac I'd like to note that he essentially catalyzed the lynch of a townie.

Said that Dark Ermac sped up the lynch on Exn.

Fair enough.

And I totally forgot unvote, vote: sold2[/bold]

Said my explanation was fair enough. Votes Sold2, due to reasons above and that he forgot.

Where is everyone? More people need to vote.

Asks where we were and wants more people to vote.

unvote sold2, vote:dark-ermac

Unvotes Sold2 to vote Dark Ermac. Fails to realize that he basically unvoted and voted the same slot. What a completely unecessary post. -1

Why are we singling out people who weren't on the wagon of a townie is the real question.

Ask why we were singling out people that weren't on the Exn bandwagon.

@greenstreet I'm not saying it does. I just think it seems odd that people have problems with those who weren't on the wagon simply because that didn't vote for a now confirmed VT.

Response to Greenstreet. Said that it seems odd that people have problems with those not on the Exn's bandwagon simply because they didn't vote for a now confirmed Vanilla Townie.

Equal. Some mafia were very likely to be on it but I bet least one stayed off.

Said the possibility of people on the bandwagon that could be scum is equal. Said that Mafia is very likely on the bandwagon, but bet that at least one stayed off.

Its just what generally happens imo. Do you have a different opinion?

Said that generally happens (See quote above to get what I'm talking about). Also asks Sworddancer if he had a different opinion.
#590

Nice OMGUS there. Also, did you even READ my post? Seriously.

Accuse Dark_Ermac of OMGUS and if he even read his post.

My main point of contention here is not that you catalyzed (you didn't start it you just sped it up) the bandwagon (which doesn't exactly help you), but the way in which you did it. You were inactive for a while and then when prompted to contribute you posted huge pbpa's which basically restated what everyone had said before. Inexperienced scum tend to, to look like they are contributing, post large walls of text and in particular pbpa's. To make matters worse yours had absolutely NO new information that I could discern.

Said that his main point wasn't that he sped up Exn's lynch, but how he did it. Said that Dark_Ermac was active for a while and when prompted to contributed, posted a huge pbpa, basically restarting what has been said before. Goes on to say that inexperienced scum tends to do that and even saying that worse yet, that had absolutely no new information he could discern.

Also, Please don't skim. Learn peoples' names. I would vote you for this post if my vote wasn't already on you.

Ask Dark_Ermac not to scum and to learn people's name. Would vote him for that post if it wasn't already there. I really do like this counterattack. +1

Why are you delaying EVERYTHING dark. Post something tomorrow or I'll be madddd.

Asks Dark_Ermac why he was delaying everything. Wants him to post by the day after he posted this post or he would be mad.

The point was that post was to prevent a quickhammer from happening. I really don't see ANY sane person hammering after that post and thats precisely what i wanted. Someone who hammered before I posted that wouldn't have been auto-scum at least to me. This way we dont have t deal with that and we can get Ermac's claim and more info. Understand?

The purpose of his last post (I didn't quote it because I've already responded to it) was that he wanted to prevent a quick hammer from happening. Doesn't see any sane person hammering after that post and that's what he wanted. Someone who would have hammered before he posted wouldn't have been auto-scum to him. His warning prevents us from dealing with that, so we could get Dark_Ermac's claim and more info.

Greenstreet, Id like you to find the specific post where OS suspected DZLE.

Wants Greenstreet to find the specific post where Overswarm suspected DZLE.

You want me lynched because of DZLE's play, correct?

Asks if Vanderzant wanted Riddle dead due to DZLE's play.

This seems like a contradiction to me...

Accuss Sworddancer of a contradiction. To be honest, I really don't see it.

#697

It was a contradiction, because you said people aren't scumhunting they are just stating the obvious but that isn't scumhunting and then said that Greenstreet was scummy BECAUSE he isn't scumhunting.

Said it was a contradiction, because Sworddancer said that people weren't scumhunting, justing stating the obvious, but that isn't scumhunting and then saying that Greenstreet was scummy because he isn't scumhunting.

Contradictions, such as this one, really make it seem to me you are grabbing for SOMETHING to make your case look good, so you use a reason that is really safe, and unwittingly contradict yourself.

Said the contradiction such as the one Sworddancer made makes it seem he was grabbing for something to make his case sound good, so Riddle is saying that Sworddancer used a reason that is safe and contradicted himself.

I don't actually think this makes you scum, it was probably just an accident, but I felt like it needed to be pointed out. You can't have it both ways.

Doesn't actually think this makes Sworddancer scum, saying it was probably an accident, but felt like he needed to point it out.

People who want me lynched, build a case! It might be hard to defend against for me (I'm not DZLE) but at least there will be SOMETHING out there.

Invites people who wants Riddle lynched to build a case. Said it might be hard for him to defend against for him, but said at least there will be something to work on.

Both. We are/were the same role so any points on either of us are valid.

Answers Sworddancer's question, saying both.

And that's when I come in.[/collapse]

Final Conclusion: As stated above, I disliked DZLE's play and find him scummy. I personally still find Riddle to be considerably scummy, mainly because of his predecessor's action. He's made a couple good posts, but I don't think Riddle's play is enough to save him.

I personally think lynching Riddle is the best shot we have at lynching scum. I have a bad feeling that Nday will flip town and I don't want to lynch an inactive over a scummy slot.

 

[The_Guide]

And to complicate things even further, I'm going to be v/la for most of tomorrow, since my family is driving up to Cape Cod. I'll probably be able to post in the night, when we stop at our hotel.

 

[Deleted member]

My analysis of DZLE/Riddle (Warning, both ISO's are very long reads):
[collapse=DZLE's ISO]

I play a lot of Epic Mafia and I have played 3 games now in /DR/.
So you can say i'm not a huge noob, but not exactly a veteran.Vote: rPSI
Cause I

He answer a question by Clownbot and throws a random vote at RocketPSIence.

Bound to happen sometime

Said RocketPSIence was bound to receive a Mafia role sometimes. Points out something interesting. +1

Usually i'll make short sweet and to the point posts. Based on any evidence I find.
When the time comes though I can be known to make a decent sized post with info on a lot of things.

Answer The_Guide's question on how he make decisions in this game.

I can be known to jump on someone based on a gut feeling, although i'll let it be known it's a gut feeling and not take too much of it into account.

Said he could be known for jump on someone based on a gut feeling, but will let us know when it is a gut feeling.

UNVOTE
( becausei'mreadytounvote)

Unvote without giving a solidfied explainatoin. The bottom part was also hidden, so he was guilty of breaking a rule in this game. I really don't like this post. -2

Overswarm, I get the feeling you are a professional.
How do you usually go about D1 in a semi-open set like this?

Said he got a feeling that he was a professional and ask Overswarm how he usually goes around Day 1 in a set-up like this.

Maybe we can have an interesting enough game if Mafia knows what to do... Bahahaha
Anyway, that's basically how I go over D1, Overswarm, probably not as thoroughly but yeah, you said it.

Said we could have an interesting enough game if Mafia knows what to do. Also saying his play is similar to Overswarm during Day 1.

I was sincerely curious.
At this point, no, I don't see any as scummy enough for it to be significant. I'll pay close attention as I should, of course.

Said that he was just curious. He said that at this point, there wasn't anything scummy enough to be important, but said he would pay close attention.

Forum games this makes my 4th.
I've played a lot of Epic Mafia too though.

Said this was his fourth game, but also said he played a lot of Epic Mafia.

Had a tourney, was gone all day. Didn't miss much. I'll see if I can find something to bring up/post about soon.

Said he had a tourney, but didn't miss much. Also said he would see if he could find something to bring up.

Exn isn't sitting right with me atm either. He seems to be posting random things without much substance all, as if we are supposed to automatically get why he said or did it.
Surprising because he was such a strong player in my first mafia game, yet he seems to be barely trying and not caring in this game.FoS: Exn
What are you doing?

Said that Exn wasn't sitting right with him at the moment. Seems to be posting random things without much substance, as if we were suppose to get why Exn said or did the things he did. Said he was a strong player in his first Mafia game, yet seems to barely try and not care in this game. Throws down a FoS on Exn and questoin him. First post in where I think he was truly scum hunting. +1

Vote: Exn Absolutely hating his playstyle right now and he isn't contributing anything with his small one sentance or less uselss posts.FoS: Greenstreet
Because of Guide's PBP.

Said that he hated his playstyle and that he wasn't contributing anything with his one sentence or useless post. Also puts down a FoS on Greenstreet due to The Guide's PSP.

I'm willing to lynch Exn at this point. He is useless at the moment. I don't have an opinion on a No-lynch at this point.
Especially what you have said, has been useless.
I'll agree with this post.

Answers Vrael's question on who he wants to lynch. Said he had no opinion on a No-Lynch by then. Continue to say that Exn has been useless. Agrees with Vrael's last post.

Also, at this point after reading your wall, I simply see it as you nervously making excuses for your lousy and lazy playing. You still seem most scummy out of this whole group thus far to me.

Saw Exn's latest post at that time as a excuse for his previous play. Still called him the scummiest player in the group. This is a good point as I do agree that one post should not automatically mean an unvote. +1
#224

I never told you to do anything. I just said you were being useless and stupid.

Makes a response to Exn, saying he never told Exn to do anything, just said he was being useless and stupid.
#276

I have a lot to read, I'll start now.

Said he had a lot to read and that he would start now. I find this to be a bit weird, mainly because only fifty-two posts were made between this post and the previous post. I find this weird that he said he had a lot to read when some games managed to get hundreads of posts in a real time day (This happen twice in Dragonball Z Mafia).
#277

Alright. I didn't miss a ton from what I last read, surprisingly.
Sorry about the hidden text LOL.

Said he didn't miss a ton for what he last read. He was surprised. Also apoligize for the hidden text.

Basically, Exn is my prime FoS. I'd be content with lynching him if things went that way. But, as OS and a few others pointed out, it's better to have a person whos posting kinda scummy than a person who is not posting AT ALL.
I'll UNVOTE for now and Vote: Lythium.
Lythy, post, please.

Said that Exn was his prime Fos and that he would be content with a lynch on him if that were to happen. But also said it's better to have a person who's posting kind of scummy then a person who's not post at all. Unvote and votes Lynthium.
One thing that bothers me about this post is the first sentence of that post somewhat contradict #276.

Unvote
Thanks for posting, Lythium

Unvotes Lynthium, thanking him for posting.

*joker claps*
That was a brilliant post, and it had a lot of information. Thank you for making it. Exn is still my number 1 FoS and the person i'm indefinitely ok with lynching this day, so i'm going to put my vote back on him since the day's end is coming closer.Vote: Exn
(Note, i only took my vote off him in the first place to pressure lythium into posting. when she posted, i took my vote off her.)

Said it was a brillant post and it had a lot of information, Thanked Dark Ermac for making it. Said Exn was still his #1 lynch candidate and is ok with lynching him. Votes Exn again and explain that his Lynthium vote was more of a pressure vote.

*Shrug*
I'd rather get rid of Exn than an inactive, today. If inactive stays inactive, get rid of their ***.

Said he would rather get rid of Exn than an inactive today. However, he said if inactive stayed inactive, lynch them. To be honest, I don't like this post, because this one really does contradict #277. -1

I think i'm a bit less scummy than the inactives. I changed my vote to lythium ONLY because she didnt post ANYTHING.
After she posted, I switched back. I was one of the original people on Exn.

Said he was a bit less scummy than the inactives. Said he changed his vote to Lynthium only because (s?)he didn't post anything. After Lynthium posted, he switched back. Claimed he was one of the original people to vote Exn.
I personally find this to be an pretty poor excuse for not defending oneself. -1

Sworddancer, SSBF.
I realize Sword is a replacement, but to my knowledge he hasnt posted once...
SSBF hasn't said much lately.
OS hasnt said TOO MUCH, but enough, during that whole Hammer deal.

Said that me and Sworddancer were one of the inactives, because I haven't said much at that time and Sworddancer hasn't posted once. Also said that Overswarm hasn't said too much, but enough around the period of Exn's hammer. DZLE fails to take into account of RocketPSIence and Lynthium, people who were also in Sworddancer's slot before him. Not to mention, this makes him look very hypocritical, as he was the 2nd most inactive player at the time. -2

I retract OS. Reading back, he's posted quite a bit.

Retract his statement on Overswarm, saying he posted quite a bit.
#458

To be perfectly truthful, I forgot about Ndayday. That is why I didn't mention his name. And how is me calling out OS then retracting it a slip-up of mine? I'm not scum, and there is not hard evidence that says I am.

Said he forgot about Nday, saying that's why he didn't mention his name. Ask why calling out OS then retracting it is a slip-up of his. Softclaim saying that he's not scum and there wasn't hard evidence saying he was.

And OS, why do you think you can just tell people what to do? Sure it'd be nice if he made another case, but why not ask another player that hasn't made any cases at all? Why do you have authority over anyone else? You could easily be scum, EASILY.

Ask OS why he thought he could tell people what to do. Also ask him why not ask another player that hasn't made a case at all. His third question was why did he have authority over anyone else? Said he could easily be scum.
The softclaim is something that needs to be looked into more. The last quote basically sounds like he's complaining about Overswarm's playstyle and the last sentence makes it sound like a bit of OMGUS as well. -2

I did my best to help when Exn acted like he did last game. Perhaps i'll make a case on someone then.

Said he did his best to help when Exn acted like his last game (As of this time, not sure what game he's referring to). Said he might make a case on someone.

Niceee gogo bandwagon

Not sure what to say about this. He's probably either being sarcastic about this bandwagon or thinks that he is a good bandwagon. Eithe way, I don't like this post as well. -1

Request for ReplacementI don't have time to defend myself from this Wagon.

Request replacement, saying he doesn't have the time to defend himself from the bandwagon that's on him. If not for his explaination later, this post would probably sound scummy as ****.

I'll try to make my next game in Dgames less dissapointing for everyone. I'm not bouncing solely because im under pressure. i'm a good player, and as you can clearly see i haven't been playing good at all.

Basically said that he would try to make his next game in this site less dissapointing for everyone. Explain that he wasn't replacing out solely because he was under pressure. He said he was a good player, but said he didn't play well at all in here. This is not the explanation that I like. -1

What's different is that my other mafia games I wasn't super busy with irl stuff so I could actually play to my full extent TT
Getting laid off makes your life much busier than when you had a job. Go figure

He said the difference between this Mafia game and others was that he wasn't busy with real life, so he was actually able to play to his full extend. Later said he was laid off and life is much busier then with a job. I can buy this one, although it doesn't excuse his former excuse.

I was just thinking about retracting my replacement statement, for I could probably make a decent post NOW but I don't think overall I could keep it up for the rest of the game. Sorry guys.

Said he was thinking about retracting his replacement statement, as he could probably made a decent post now, but he doesn't think he'll be able to keep up for the rest of the game.[/collapse]
Conclusion on DZLE: His Day 1 play was Okay. Not exactly the best, but there has been a few signs where he actually scum hunted and put forth effort into the game. His Day 2 play was horrible, thought and it gave me a serious suspicion on him. On to Riddle:
[collapse=Riddle's ISO]

I shall read it tonight/tomorrow and post thoughts tomorrow probably.

Said he would read either tonight or tommorow as of that date.

#542

I find it interesting that you are willing to give us a chance to redeem ourselves. We have the same role as our predecessors and us playing less scummily just indicates better play not a different allignment. Of course this also is reversible. My predecessors play was simply bad, not indicative of his allignment.

Said he found it interesting that I would give Riddle a chance to redeem his slot. Goes on to say that he has the same role as our predecessor and him playing less scumminly just indicates better play, not a different alignment. Said it was reversible, using his predecessor as an example.

Anyway my top 2 targets.

Ermac/sold2 - his pbp analyses were scummy. inexperienced Scum in my experience tend to make huge posts that make them look like contributors but really just restate what has already been said. This is exactly what I saw in ermacs posts. I agree with greensteets post stating that succint posts are pro-town.

Mentioned that he had two targets, wiith his first choice being Dark Ermac.. He said that his analysis was scummy, saying that inexperienced scums in his experience tends to make huge posts to make them look like contributors, but just restate what already has been said, saying that it was what he saw in Dark Ermac's post. Agrees with Greenstreet's post stating that succint posts are pro-town.

OS - not so much scummy as anti-town. His deal with it attitude and the way people are blatantly buddying him make it hard to get reads on anyone associated with him as well as him. OS I want to see more reasoning from you and everyone who is buddying him needs to stop right now. I'm honestly surprised you guys have let OS get away with this ****.

Said Overswarm wasn't scummy, but anti-town. Said that Overswarm dealt with attitude and the way people were buddying Overswarm makes it hard to get a read on anyone associated with Overswarm. Wants Overswarm to have more reasoning and wants people to stop buddying him. Surprise that people let Overswarm get away with what he's done.

There are 2 people specifically that I'm getting town reads from but I won't disclose their identities without a good reason.

Said that there were two specific people that he was getting town reads from, but refuse to diclose them. All in all, this is a solid first content-filled post by Riddle. +1

In addition to what i already said about ermac I'd like to note that he essentially catalyzed the lynch of a townie.

Said that Dark Ermac sped up the lynch on Exn.

Fair enough.

And I totally forgot unvote, vote: sold2[/bold]

Said my explanation was fair enough. Votes Sold2, due to reasons above and that he forgot.

Where is everyone? More people need to vote.

Asks where we were and wants more people to vote.

unvote sold2, vote:dark-ermac

Unvotes Sold2 to vote Dark Ermac. Fails to realize that he basically unvoted and voted the same slot. What a completely unecessary post. -1

Why are we singling out people who weren't on the wagon of a townie is the real question.

Ask why we were singling out people that weren't on the Exn bandwagon.

@greenstreet I'm not saying it does. I just think it seems odd that people have problems with those who weren't on the wagon simply because that didn't vote for a now confirmed VT.

Response to Greenstreet. Said that it seems odd that people have problems with those not on the Exn's bandwagon simply because they didn't vote for a now confirmed Vanilla Townie.

Equal. Some mafia were very likely to be on it but I bet least one stayed off.

Said the possibility of people on the bandwagon that could be scum is equal. Said that Mafia is very likely on the bandwagon, but bet that at least one stayed off.

Its just what generally happens imo. Do you have a different opinion?

Said that generally happens (See quote above to get what I'm talking about). Also asks Sworddancer if he had a different opinion.
#590

Nice OMGUS there. Also, did you even READ my post? Seriously.

Accuse Dark_Ermac of OMGUS and if he even read his post.

My main point of contention here is not that you catalyzed (you didn't start it you just sped it up) the bandwagon (which doesn't exactly help you), but the way in which you did it. You were inactive for a while and then when prompted to contribute you posted huge pbpa's which basically restated what everyone had said before. Inexperienced scum tend to, to look like they are contributing, post large walls of text and in particular pbpa's. To make matters worse yours had absolutely NO new information that I could discern.

Said that his main point wasn't that he sped up Exn's lynch, but how he did it. Said that Dark_Ermac was active for a while and when prompted to contributed, posted a huge pbpa, basically restarting what has been said before. Goes on to say that inexperienced scum tends to do that and even saying that worse yet, that had absolutely no new information he could discern.

Also, Please don't skim. Learn peoples' names. I would vote you for this post if my vote wasn't already on you.

Ask Dark_Ermac not to scum and to learn people's name. Would vote him for that post if it wasn't already there. I really do like this counterattack. +1

Why are you delaying EVERYTHING dark. Post something tomorrow or I'll be madddd.

Asks Dark_Ermac why he was delaying everything. Wants him to post by the day after he posted this post or he would be mad.

The point was that post was to prevent a quickhammer from happening. I really don't see ANY sane person hammering after that post and thats precisely what i wanted. Someone who hammered before I posted that wouldn't have been auto-scum at least to me. This way we dont have t deal with that and we can get Ermac's claim and more info. Understand?

The purpose of his last post (I didn't quote it because I've already responded to it) was that he wanted to prevent a quick hammer from happening. Doesn't see any sane person hammering after that post and that's what he wanted. Someone who would have hammered before he posted wouldn't have been auto-scum to him. His warning prevents us from dealing with that, so we could get Dark_Ermac's claim and more info.

Greenstreet, Id like you to find the specific post where OS suspected DZLE.

Wants Greenstreet to find the specific post where Overswarm suspected DZLE.

You want me lynched because of DZLE's play, correct?

Asks if Vanderzant wanted Riddle dead due to DZLE's play.

This seems like a contradiction to me...

Accuss Sworddancer of a contradiction. To be honest, I really don't see it.

#697

It was a contradiction, because you said people aren't scumhunting they are just stating the obvious but that isn't scumhunting and then said that Greenstreet was scummy BECAUSE he isn't scumhunting.

Said it was a contradiction, because Sworddancer said that people weren't scumhunting, justing stating the obvious, but that isn't scumhunting and then saying that Greenstreet was scummy because he isn't scumhunting.

Contradictions, such as this one, really make it seem to me you are grabbing for SOMETHING to make your case look good, so you use a reason that is really safe, and unwittingly contradict yourself.

Said the contradiction such as the one Sworddancer made makes it seem he was grabbing for something to make his case sound good, so Riddle is saying that Sworddancer used a reason that is safe and contradicted himself.

I don't actually think this makes you scum, it was probably just an accident, but I felt like it needed to be pointed out. You can't have it both ways.

Doesn't actually think this makes Sworddancer scum, saying it was probably an accident, but felt like he needed to point it out.

People who want me lynched, build a case! It might be hard to defend against for me (I'm not DZLE) but at least there will be SOMETHING out there.

Invites people who wants Riddle lynched to build a case. Said it might be hard for him to defend against for him, but said at least there will be something to work on.

Both. We are/were the same role so any points on either of us are valid.

Answers Sworddancer's question, saying both.

And that's when I come in.[/collapse]

Final Conclusion: As stated above, I disliked DZLE's play and find him scummy. I personally still find Riddle to be considerably scummy, mainly because of his predecessor's action. He's made a couple good posts, but I don't think Riddle's play is enough to save him.

I personally think lynching Riddle is the best shot we have at lynching scum. I have a bad feeling that Nday will flip town and I don't want to lynch an inactive over a scummy slot.

 

[Deleted member]

*facepalm*

Why did I double post? Not intended.

 

[vanderzant]

5 prods? Seriously?

Anyway, vanderzant I found that post REALLY weak. Your ISO gave us very little information and your entire case was "nDay has been inactive". a nDay modkill would be much more beneficial since hes been so inactive and your case has very little to do with scumminess.

Vote: Vanderzant

In other news I think these in-depth analyses are dumb and should be done away with immediately, they are promoting inactivity and if all of them are the quality of the one you just did then they won't help us at all even if they are done.

Uh, what else is there really to say about Nday? He's done nothing.

And I don't think modkills occur in a LYLO situation.

I think doing what almost every mafia game does and just discussing would be better. Honestly, this has just increased inactivity.

What have you done toDay?

 

[vanderzant]

Unvote

Vote: Riddle

It's now or never I guess.

 

[The_Guide]

Ok, here’s where the logic game begins. If no scum are on the wagon, that means that the game could end right now. However, if the game doesn’t end, we can assume one of two things. One, either Vanderzant or SSBF is scum (or both), and mafia doesn’t have the votes it needs to dogpile someone; two, Riddle is scum, and his buddies don’t want to lynch him.

If all goes well, we have a one in three chance of hitting scum.

I'll see what happens, then place my vote after I get to Cape Cod. I just hope Vander didn't just hand mafia the win.

 

[Riddle]

SSBF, that is the WORST Iso I have ever seen. You just said exactly what was already stated in the post and OCCASIONALLY had a comment based on it.

I don't see any reasoning for these votes on me, and this just further affirms my thoughts on a vander lynch.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Guys if scum quick lynches Riddle then SK could just kill one of them. I'm sorry that I forgot about that. For the time being, it's in the SK's best interest to work with the town. Unfortunately, the SK might be one of the people were trying to lynch, but of course that's a risk we have to take.

I say we either lynch Riddle toDay or vanderzant. My ISO of Clown (it's coming!) has led me to an interesting thesis that Vanderzant and Clown could be scum buddies. I'll go into more detail later.

If we lynch Riddle and he flips town, then SK should shoot Vanderzant. However, if he flips scum, then he should shoot Nday. The opposite holds for Vanderzant as well. If we lynch him and he flips town, SK should shoot Riddle, but if he flips scum then Clown should be shoot.

Btw, where's Green? I wish I could see what he has to say about this.

 

[The_Guide]

I kinda have internet now. Won't have it again until later tonight.

Dancer, we can't count on the sk. Both nights in a row, theres been only 1 kill; either the sk is being passive (which he can't be, if i understand the role correctly), mafia isbeing passive ( also unlikely), or mafia discovered the sk's identity night one, and has been roleblocking him since then.

Personally, i don't see how it could be anything but the last option. Which is why we can't rely on the sk.

 

[The_Guide]

I'm not feeling the riddle lynch, tbh. I can't really see what he's done wrong.

But if i had to bet money, i'd put it on a ssbf, nday, clownbot team. The last two are hardcore lurkers (which is a gsme winning strategy in our current situation), and the first has been on every popular wagon this game (the original ermac push, exn, the fatal mac push, and riddle.). My votes probably going to go on ssbf, since he hasn't really posted important imformation this game (though, that could be said of a lot of us...).

I'll put my vote on him when i get back to the hotel, since i don'tknow how to highlight things on an itouch. I'll be able to use a computer then, so i'll be set.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hm... I'm kinda feeling a role claim right now. . .

Guide, you're the sk, arn't you?

 

[Riddle]

I'm confident that Vandy is scum. I wasn't hammered because he was on the wagon already and his ISO was bad.

If I had to guess I would say Vandy/SSBF/Clown with The_Guide as SK.

I agree with rolelaim. Everyone post your top suspicion and the person with the most votes starts and then he picks the next person etc. etc.

my top suspicion is vanderzant

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

God I'm going to hate myself if Riddle is obv. scum and I'm just letting him go. Riddle, if you are scum and you win, then please don't rub it in my face.

Vote Vanderzant

Riddle has the exact same scum list as me. So. . .

 

[Clownbot]

You guys have made some pretty interesting conclusions. Maybe you could explain how you came to them.

I'm especially interested in Riddle pegging a scumteam b/w me and Vand right after Dancer did as well as a connection between me and SSBF right after Guide did, in addition to calling out Guide as SK right after Dancer did.

Especially since the only one of these people you've even slightly elaborated on lately is Vand.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually does anyone else think that the reason Riddle wasn't hammered is because NDay is scum and he has been inactive?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

You guys have made some pretty interesting conclusions. Maybe you could explain how you came to them.

I'm especially interested in Riddle pegging a scumteam b/w me and Vand right after Dancer did as well as a connection between me and SSBF right after Guide did, in addition to calling out Guide as SK right after Dancer did.

Especially since the only one of these people you've even slightly elaborated on lately is Vand.

Tis is true. I really wish we still had an extra lynch to sphere. Clown himself hasn't been too scummy, but the way he has interacted with people makes me think that a possible connection might exist. Like, looking back at Day 2, the way he talked to Vanderzant got my attention. At one point Clown told Vand that he was not liking his play, and didn't pursue it any farther. He also said that about OS, but OS asked about it, and then Clown expended upon it. But what did Vanderzant do? He just brushed it off and said "noted". Don't like that, don't like that at all.

That's one reason I feel there is a connection between Clown and Vanderzant, but I'm still having doubts about Clown being scum. Vanderzant, on the other hand, has acted scummy, so I think that it would be safer to kill him, and if he's scum, then to see where it goes from there.

But still, where in MYLO, so a mislynch right now would cost us the game. Really no room for experimenting. . .

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh btw if SK is being passive:

If we lynch Riddle and he flips town, then SK should shoot Vanderzant. However, if he flips scum, then he should shoot Nday. The opposite holds for Vanderzant as well. If we lynch him and he flips town, SK should shoot Riddle, but if he flips scum then Clown should be shoot.

 

[Riddle]

Actually I just pulled clowns name out of my ***. Not gonna lie.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually I just pulled clowns name out of my ***. Not gonna lie.

Well, I don't think we're going to get a lynch in time, so I'm thinking that no lynch would actually be a good idea, since we're in MYLO.

Vote No Lnych

 

[vanderzant]

I love it how Nday isn't on anyone's scum list. Seriously, he's lurked this whole game, Dancer are you that blind or are you just scum? Also, guide seems to know a ton about how the SK works.

Actually does anyone else think that the reason Riddle wasn't hammered is because NDay is scum and he has been inactive?

They're probably both scum.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vanderzant this entire game you've been pushing for easy lynches and have jumped onto popular bandwagons. Give me more reason than "Nday has been really inacitve" (which he has, no doubt about it, 20 days plus inactivity just makes me feel physically bad) or I vote for you.

Tell me, why else should I vote for Nday?

 

[vanderzant]

The sole reason is that he HASN'T been playing the game. And NO ONE has called him out on it. Which makes me think that HE MUST be scum, because if not scum would of tried to lynch him.

Also, are you serious about putting the game in the hands of the SK? A no lynch doesn't make any sense.

You tell me why we should No Lynch.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm just thinking that mafia might have been role blocking the sk, and if we no lynch then after mafia gets there kill then on the next day we go into a situation which the chances of lynching scum are higher, and still just as dangerous. If mafia are role blocking SK, then if we mislynch another townie toDay then they can kill of the SK of and win.


Also, on about that same note, if we lynch the roleblocker then scum will probably kill the SK off that night, and SK gets a free kill. It's risky, but I'm basically be letting the SK decide (in this situation) who wins, town or scum.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Btw I am just assuming that the SK isn't allowed to forgo his nk (which is usually the case) but of course I don't even know this for sure. So yeah I'm am risking it a lot with my SK strategy.

 

[The_Guide]

A vote count would be awesome right now. I'm still favoring ssbf for lynch, but it seems as if no one shares my sentiments.

Btw, my itouch is all i have right now. Anyone know how to highlight text, so i can vote n'stufg?

 

[vanderzant]

Fine, I'm up for that


Unvote

Vote: No Lynch

 

[The_Guide]

...I dexpise touchscreens.