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[vanderzant]

Hi guys, I'm back. Firstly I'll have to counter claim Riddle. I'm Johhny Bravo, Town Tracker. And unlike Riddle, I actually have some results to share with you all (at last). Last night I tracked Clown and found that he had visited Green.

So yeah, before you go and get all suspicious on me, I'll outline my other actions in the game. I basically went after who I thought was scum each night.

N1 I targeted Ermac and got no result. Basically, the fact that the wagon switched from him to Exn so easily made me question his integrity.

N2 I targetted Riddle and got no result. Now, it's basically confirmed in my head now that he is scum, but it's weird that I got no result from him, seeing as he's claiming tracker (which I'd expect from a Mafia Tracker) but the whole roleblocking ruse might explain it.

See, as Dancer pointed out:

The fook? I didn't know the sk could be initiated into the cult. . .

I thought this as well. I always thought the Cult Leader died if he tried to recruit scum (unless there is a godfather of some sort). That said, I'm not exactly 100% sure that Dancer claiming he was culted is 100% legit.

1. If the SK can be culted, maybe mafia players can be as well.
2. He was culted the same night that OS was night killed? WTF?

I guess I'm just brain storming here, because I'm somewhat inclined to trust Dancer (based on him knowing OS's breadcrumb). Maybe the SK is a special case for recruitment, but it's a shame we don't get info on basic mechanics.

Overall, I'm inclined to trust Dancer. His mention of the breadcrumb basically confirms that he was culted, but I'm not 99% convinced of his alignment (considering that the SK was culted).

But if Mafia could be culted, that is some weird ****.

 

[vanderzant]

Also, forgot to elaborate on why I tracked Clown. Basically, Riddle (and Dancer) pointing fingers at me for being scum buddies with him made me feel like I was being set up for a lynch either yesterDay or toDay, and it makes sense that a scum players scum list would contain both Scum and Town, to make it harder for town to keep track of.

 

[The_Guide]

Thats... a lot to process. I'm seeing reasons to disbelieve both of our claimed trackers, but one of them must be the real deal.

I'm gonna need a bit to think this through.

 

[Riddle]

Hi guys, I'm back. Firstly I'll have to counter claim Riddle. I'm Johhny Bravo, Town Tracker. And unlike Riddle, I actually have some results to share with you all (at last). Last night I tracked Clown and found that he had visited Green.

So yeah, before you go and get all suspicious on me, I'll outline my other actions in the game. I basically went after who I thought was scum each night.

N1 I targeted Ermac and got no result. Basically, the fact that the wagon switched from him to Exn so easily made me question his integrity.

N2 I targetted Riddle and got no result. Now, it's basically confirmed in my head now that he is scum, but it's weird that I got no result from him, seeing as he's claiming tracker (which I'd expect from a Mafia Tracker) but the whole roleblocking ruse might explain it.

See, as Dancer pointed out:



So therefore, I believe what actually has happened, is that the Mafia might have a Role blocker, and they targeted Green on N1, noted the lack of Kills, and have been roleblocking him since.

You completely contradict yourself here. Your N1 no results can be explained by the jailer, however you claim to have gotten no results N2 when the jailer was dead, but you also claim that Greenstreet was roleblocked every night. You can't BOTH have been roleblocked. Your knowledge of who scum roleblocked is also scummy.

It's strange to me that Riddle would claim tracker and claim that he was roleblocked every single night, especially when there are 3 different scum set ups, and only 1 of them includes a Roleblocker. But if you ARE scum, and you KNOW that scum has a roleblocker, Riddle might of ignored this little fact and just assumed that there would of been a roleblocker regardless.

If I HAVE been roleblocked every night I KNOW that scum has a roleblocker. Your point is kind of irrelevant since if I'm scum I know theres a roleblocker and If I'm town I know theres a roleblocker. You also assume that there is a roleblocker in your post so I see no difference.


Vanderzant contradicts himself and he accuses me of doing something that he himself did.

Obviously fmpov vanderzant is guaranteed scum, so I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: vanderzant

 

[Riddle]

It is also scummy that vanderzant hasn't voted me yet

 

[The_Guide]

Hmm... I've got an idea.

Vote: Super Smash Bros Fan

I'm gonna let that stew for a day.

Btw, Riddle, we have to bold our vote AND put them in yellow.

 

[Riddle]

THE_GUIDE, UNVOTE RIGHT NOW!!!

vote: vanderzant

 

[Deleted member]

@Clownbot: All right, we have evidence that Overswarm culted Sworddancer. But I don't think it should be indicative of alignments. Greenstreet was culted and he was a Serial Killer.

 

[The_Guide]

Like I said, I'm keeping it on him for a day.

 

[Tom]

Everyone who is town should probably unvote unless you are voting your counter-claim. I haven't read Vanderzant's counter-claim yet (will do later today, am taking a test now lulz), but if there is a single townie vote on another townie, mafia could quicklynch and win.

 

[Tom]

I actually do think that SSBF is scummy, though.

If Vanderzant is town tracker, Riddle and Clownbot are scum.
If Riddle is town tracker, Vanderzant is scum.

So Vandy and Riddle can be voting each other, but other than that, I would advise against all other votes.

I think that our culted Sworddancer. is town no matter what. SK maybe can be culted but there is no way that scum could be culted.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Chances that scum can be culted are about the same that the SK could forgo their nk. That is, not very.

Right now I wanta see Vanderzat and Riddle fight it out a bit longer. Also, no one should be voting but Riddle and Vanderzant.

 

[The_Guide]

I don't have what I need yet. I'm keeping my vote on SSBF for a bit longer.

 

[Tom]

Just take the vote off, and ask him what you want. Its not worth risking a quicklynch, if SSBF is town.

 

[vanderzant]

You completely contradict yourself here. Your N1 no results can be explained by the jailer, however you claim to have gotten no results N2 when the jailer was dead, but you also claim that Greenstreet was roleblocked every night. You can't BOTH have been roleblocked. Your knowledge of who scum roleblocked is also scummy.

By no results, I mean that on N1 ermac didn't visit anyone. N2 you didn't visit anyone. N3 Clown visited Green. What's weird about that?

What do you mean "knowledge of who scum roleblocked?" Are you acknowledging that I am correct in saying that scum roleblocked the SK since day 1??? I obviously don't know who scum role blocked. It's possible that scum don't even HAVE a roleblocker. But you must of noticed the severe lack of kills, which is why I have trouble dealing with the fact that you, the "town tracker" was being roleblocked as you claim.

I was being cautious, but there is literally no problem with me voting you.

Vote: Riddle

And guide wtf are you doing? Unvote NOW.

 

[The_Guide]

Alright, by this point, I think its safe to say that its safe to keep my vote where it is.

I was waiting for everyone to see my vote before I took it off of SSBF. Since Vander's an Aussie, I had to wait a bit before he was awake.

But yeah, by this point I think that everyone saw my vote. Now, what does this tell us? Obviously, SSBF wasn't lynched. This means that either mafia doesn't have enough votes to dogpile him (meaning that I'm scum), or that SSBF is scum himself. Scum wouldn't be very likely to bus their buddies today, since one misplaced townie vote will win the game for them.

I also think that its pretty telling that both of our trackers told me to take my vote off of him, when we know that one of them is scum.

I apologize for taking a risky gamble, but if its any consolation, I was lurking SWF on my ipod and computer today. If anyone tried to quicklynch, I would've taken my vote off.

___

What do you guys think of this?

 

[The_Guide]

...the first sentence in my last post made me cringe.

 

[Tom]

I think its legit. I think SSBF is scummy. But I need to think about if I would rather lynch him or if I would rather lynch one of the tracker claims. One of the tracker claims gives us a 50/50 shot on a correct lynch.

 

[Riddle]

By no results, I mean that on N1 ermac didn't visit anyone. N2 you didn't visit anyone. N3 Clown visited Green. What's weird about that?

No result sounds like what I got, roleblocked.

What do you mean "knowledge of who scum roleblocked?" Are you acknowledging that I am correct in saying that scum roleblocked the SK since day 1???

Absolutely not, thats not what I said at all. I'm saying that you got mad at me for claiming that there was a roleblocker and then you basically said there was a roleblocker and then told town who they roleblocked every night.

I obviously don't know who scum role blocked. It's possible that scum don't even HAVE a roleblocker. But you must of noticed the severe lack of kills, which is why I have trouble dealing with the fact that you, the "town tracker" was being roleblocked as you claim.

Of course you know who was roleblocked, me. We both know your scum, its just the rest of town who doesn't. The sever lack of skills is explained by both SK and scum targetting the same person.

I was being cautious, but there is literally no problem with me voting you.

Vote: Riddle

And guide wtf are you doing? Unvote NOW.

Caution is a pretty big scumtell

 

[Riddle]

EBWOP: By "caution is a pretty big scumtell" I mean in situations when you have no reason to be cautious.

 

[The_Guide]

Fan, what do you think of our trackers? Who would you pick as scum, based on whats been said thus far?

 

[vanderzant]

No result sounds like what I got, roleblocked.

My results were along the gist of x didn't visit anyone. In my opinion, being told you're being roleblocked is a result in itself.

To be honest, I'm not even sure if it is commonplace for power roles to be told when they are role blocked. But whatever, it's moot since you're lieing.

Absolutely not, thats not what I said at all. I'm saying that you got mad at me for claiming that there was a roleblocker and then you basically said there was a roleblocker and then told town who they roleblocked every night.

I said "the Mafia might have a Role blocker." Most of my assumptions that there is a roleblocker, comes from you fake claiming tracker, and bundling in that you were role blocked each night as evidence.

It probably slipped your mind that mafia have 3 possible set ups, and I'm assuming that you just assumed that scum MUST have a roleblocker, seeing as you KNOW they do, theoretically.

Of course you know who was roleblocked, me. We both know your scum, its just the rest of town who doesn't. The sever lack of skills is explained by both SK and scum targeting the same person.

Big assumption right there. How do you know this? Anyway, what's the likelihood of Scum and the SK targeting the SAME player twice in a row? How do you know Mafia didn't idle? Or someone was Jailed N1?

 

[Riddle]

My results were along the gist of x didn't visit anyone. In my opinion, being told you're being roleblocked is a result in itself.

To be honest, I'm not even sure if it is commonplace for power roles to be told when they are role blocked. But whatever, it's moot since you're lieing.[/quote]

I was told I "failed"

I said "the Mafia might have a Role blocker." Most of my assumptions that there is a roleblocker, comes from you fake claiming tracker, and bundling in that you were role blocked each night as evidence.

So therefore, I believe what actually has happened, is that the Mafia might have a Role blocker, and they targeted Green on N1, noted the lack of Kills, and have been roleblocking him since.

Scum back-pedaling?

It probably slipped your mind that mafia have 3 possible set ups, and I'm assuming that you just assumed that scum MUST have a roleblocker, seeing as you KNOW they do, theoretically.

Who cares if mafia has 3 possible set-ups? I know for a FACT that I was roleblocked, so the other set-ups are irrelevant.

on right there. How do you know this? Anyway, what's the likelihood of Scum and the SK targeting the SAME player twice in a row? How do you know Mafia didn't idle? Or someone was Jailed N1?

Maybe the mafia idled, but that seems more unlikely than my proposition, especially since you have been fairly active. The N1 kill definitely could've been a result of jailing, I'm not denying that. And last nights SK kill might've been stopped by the SK dying (who knows?). I'm just saying that it is possible for me to be roleblocked every night and there is still one kill.

 

[Riddle]

I'd just like to note that lynching me is not a valid town play. If you guys decide that you think that vanderzant is the real tracker then you should lynch clownbot, lets look at the facts:

If Vanderzant is the tracker:

Clownbot claims Vanilla Townie, but is seen visiting the death by tracker - scum
Riddle is the counterclaim to the real tracker - scum

If Riddle is the tracker:

Vanderzant is possibly bussing Clownbot to look like the real tracker if Clownbot is killed or to make Clownbot look like a townie if HE is killed - unknown
Riddle is tracker - town

 

[The_Guide]

I'm still not sure what to think about the trackers. My gut is telling me that Vanderzant isn't being straight with us, but I'm having trouble figuring out why that is.

Right now, if I had to choose between the two of them, I'd go for Vander. If it comes down to choosing between him or Riddle for today's lynch, I'll do it. Right now, tho, I want more time to look back on both of these players. Plus, I think that SSBF is a better lynch choice today, so I'll go with him until it becomes clear that no one wants to join the wagon.

 

[vanderzant]

To make it clear, I'm down with Clown or Riddle. They're both scum.

Scum back-pedaling?

Your fake claim =/= An explanation as to why there is a massive lack of kills. I was addressing two different points, and while the former reinforces the latter, they are not the same thing.

@Guide: Can you be clear on why SSBF is a better lynch choice for town? And if you think I'm scum, who am I scum with? No reason to hide your thoughts.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Tbh, MY gut feeling ins telling me that vanderzant isn't being legit with us, but who knows. My gut feeling has been wrong a lot.

By no results, I mean that on N1 ermac didn't visit anyone. N2 you didn't visit anyone. N3 Clown visited Green. What's weird about that?

What do you mean "knowledge of who scum roleblocked?" Are you acknowledging that I am correct in saying that scum roleblocked the SK since day 1??? I obviously don't know who scum role blocked. It's possible that scum don't even HAVE a roleblocker. But you must of noticed the severe lack of kills, which is why I have trouble dealing with the fact that you, the "town tracker" was being roleblocked as you claim.

I was being cautious, but there is literally no problem with me voting you.

Vote: Riddle

And guide wtf are you doing? Unvote NOW.

This is exactly what I was expecting to hear, actually, but I didn't want to suggest it thus giving you a potintial out.

Right now I'm way more inclined to believe Vanderzant's story, as it makes a lot more sense. He got results, Riddle didn't, that really bothers me. Riddle being role blocked SEVERAL Nights in a row is very, very odd. It also has to be taken into consideration that, chances are, the sk was being roleblocked since Night 1.

But then something else bothers me on the other side of things. That is, why didn't scum just kill off the SK? Why would the mafia waste it's roleblock ability 2 nights in row? Hm. . .

But then again, perhaps scum did consider killing GreenStreet on Night 2, but they felt that killing OS, a "power player" took more priority that Night? So in that reguard I guess it makes more sense that mafia kept the SK as long as they did.

The only way Riddle could be telling the truth is that:

1. The SK was allowed to forgo thier nk.
2. The mafia role blocker was informed when he was successful at role blocking someone.

Btw, a question to everyone. Does the role blocker usually get told if they were successful? I looked on the wiki but it didn't say rather or not they are, and I don't have any experiance being a role blocker or being with a role blocker.

I'd just like to note that lynching me is not a valid town play. If you guys decide that you think that vanderzant is the real tracker then you should lynch clownbot, lets look at the facts:

Wrong, since we got two people claiming trackers that means one of you two must be scum, so one of you two toDay have to go.

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To see if Vanderzant is as honest as he says he is, then we should be able to look back at his play and see it be consistent with his results. For example, if he tracked Dark Night 1 and got a cleared result on him then he shouldn't of been gunning for him, right?

 

[vanderzant]

To see if Vanderzant is as honest as he says he is, then we should be able to look back at his play and see it be consistent with his results. For example, if he tracked Dark Night 1 and got a cleared result on him then he shouldn't of been gunning for him, right?

How does knowing that ermac did not visit anyone clear him from being scum at the time? I assume that 1 player does the killing (Clown) since I got no result from Riddle N2.

 

[The_Guide]

I think town just received more information than its had the whole game. LOL

Just posting this to say that I'm not gonna be around for most of tomorrow. Going to visit a family friend.

 

[The_Guide]

@Guide: Can you be clear on why SSBF is a better lynch choice for town? And if you think I'm scum, who am I scum with? No reason to hide your thoughts.

From what I remember of reading his posts in iso, he was on every major wagon (all killing ones, plus the day 1 ermac wagon). He also hasn't really brought much relevant info to town's attention throughout the game.

Tbh, I'm mainly going after him now because I don't want to place a vote on one of the trackers. If my feelings about you are wrong, then scum will win the game... I'm not ready to make that kind of plunge yet. I need to sort my head out first, add some concrete to my suspicions before I act on them.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

How does knowing that ermac did not visit anyone clear him from being scum at the time? I assume that 1 player does the killing (Clown) since I got no result from Riddle N2.

True, but at the very least I think it would make you more inclined not to go after a player.

Wierd for you to all of the sudden be paranoid like that. My entire last post was basically clearing you but at the one point that I say something that could potentially incriminate you you come to the defensive.

From what I remember of reading his posts in iso, he was on every major wagon (all killing ones, plus the day 1 ermac wagon). He also hasn't really brought much relevant info to town's attention throughout the game.

Tbh, I'm mainly going after him now because I don't want to place a vote on one of the trackers. If my feelings about you are wrong, then scum will win the game... I'm not ready to make that kind of plunge yet. I need to sort my head out first, add some concrete to my suspicions before I act on them.

Oooooookkkkay, and if we mislynch SSBF then the game is also over and scum wins.

 

[Tom]

Well, I would also rather win or lose the game based on a read instead of based on a 50/50 tracker claim gambit.

So I am also going to vote: SSBF.

 

[vanderzant]

No one else vote SSBF please.

 

[Tom]

This is always a really tense part of the game, feeling out lylo.

 

[Mayling]

vote count:
vanderzant (1): Riddle
Riddle (1): vanderzant
super smash bros fan (2): tom, the_guide

not voting: clownbot, super smash bros fan, sworddancer.

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is the last second of 7/12 EST!

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm going have to be more convinced then that to want to lynch SSBF. Not including me, since I'm a confirmed town, there IS alreay a 50/50 chance of lynching scum, I suppose. However, at the very least, we have narrowed the lynch pool to only two people.

Guide, if you're town, then you should definitly unvote. Tom could definitly be scum who's trying to pass it off like he's "tense" about voting SSBF, but in reality, could right now be trying to set up a time with his scummates to safely quicklynch SSBF. I'm a lot more inclined to not trust Tom after Tom's vote on SSBF because "he'll rather lynch on a read".

Tom, if you're town, then you should unvote due to the fact you're potential setting up a game losing mislynch.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yeah, I could definitly see Tom not wanting to lynch one of the trackers because we nearly caught a scum Riddle red handed. It's really wierd and scummy how he just completly ignored all of the evidence against Riddle and just went straight on to SSBF. I can definitly see him trying to change the lynch on his scum buddy. Guide, unvote, now.

 

[Riddle]

Wrong, since we got two people claiming trackers that means one of you two must be scum, so one of you two toDay have to go.

No sword you are WRONG. It is lylo, therefore lynching a townie will LOSE US THE GAME. If you think that vanderzant is the tracker and he is that means BOTH clownbot and I are scum, so it doesn't matter which of us you lynch. However if I am the tracker Clownbot COULD be scum, but I am DEFINITELY town. That means clownbot has more of a chance of being scum than I do purely logically speaking and you should NOT lynch me under any circumstances.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

And clownbot might be town and Vanderzant lying? If that is the case then we're rather lynch Vanderant, correct?

I can definitly see your last post Riddle as a desperate bus on your partner.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Riddle, please refute my post #827. Specifically, how do you address that you were role blocked when it's a near fact that the SK had to be the one being role blocked?