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[Deleted member]

If we don't kill scum today, and SK doesn't kill a scum, then scum win.
If we don't kill scum today, and SK kills a scum, we have more time.
If we kill scum today and SK kills scum. Hooray, 1 scum left.

There is a fourth option. Which is if we lynch a scum ToDay, but the Serial Killer doesn't kill a scum, then the second result would be the case.

We also have to take into consideration of other cirumstances regarding the Serial Killer's death as well. I can name at least two, possibly three.

 

[vanderzant]

The Serial Killer is either killing the same target as the mafia or not killing at all at risk of being tracked (assuming there is a tracker).

In all likelihood there probably isn't a vig.

If we don't kill scum today, and SK doesn't kill a scum, then scum win.
If we don't kill scum today, and SK kills a scum, we have more time.
If we kill scum today and SK kills scum. Hooray, 1 scum left.

I agree that there probably isn't a vig, unless they idled or something, but I don't really see that happening, especially considering the broad range of suspects most people had.

We also have to take into consideration of other cirumstances regarding the Serial Killer's death as well. I can name at least two, possibly three.

It's 4 Town : 3 Scum : 1 SK right now, so a town lynch will end the game automatically for Town.

I agree that since this is a potential LYLO for town, we need to discuss all of our options. Off the top of my head, a No Lynch is probably out of the question, as unless Scum hits the SK or vice versa, it's still game over for us. So basically, we have to hit scum toDay.

 

[Greenstreet]

Well for starters let's look at OS's suspects.

I remember at one point he wanted DZLE.

 

[The_Guide]

Hate to do this, but I'm gonna be v/la this weekend. My dad came up with a last minute beach trip idea, so we're heading to Delaware in a couple of minutes. I won't have internet out there.

 

[Greenstreet]

I think a lot of people a vla this w/e.
Its alright' we've got time.

 

[Riddle]

Greenstreet, Id like you to find the specific post where OS suspected DZLE.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sorry for inactiveness, after marathon day my mom had to get surgery so much of my time was spent visiting her.

Some thoughts:

I think this game isn't necessarily suffering from a game of interactiveness as it is more suffering from "I'll wait until someone else posts" syndrom. I think that a lot of time, a player in this game, be it town or scum, will look to see what has happened in this game, and when they find that not much has happened, they decide to wait until something happens, rather then trying to make something happen. It's a vicious cycle because a lot of people think this way, thus leading to not much trying to get posted. It's really bad for town because it also allows scum to coast easily. Real v/la's (like Guide's) are understandable, though.

People are stating the obvious right now. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's not real scum hunting, so. . .

If we are about to hit serial killer toDay then he should claim, although he might not like it, he needs town to survive in order to have any chance at winning.

GreenStreet is still scummy, he's not really doing any scum hunting right now and I don't like how he completely changed his play style when I pointed out his first play style is wasn't helping out at all. Also I feel he lied about his reason for playing like he did; completely made it up as he went. I'm also gaining new suspects. Right now I'm getting a bad gut feeling about clownbot and vandarzant. I think we seriously need to look over them. I know I will.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Actually I'm thinking about taking this back:

If we are about to hit serial killer toDay then he should claim, although he might not like it, he needs town to survive in order to have any chance at winning.

because I just realized that if we are about to hit scum, then scum could actually try to claim sk, and if the sk actually tried to counter claim (which he might not even do) then it would create some huge WIFOM situation which I'll really rather avoid.

 

[Clownbot]

Right now I'm getting a bad gut feeling about clownbot

Is it solely a gut feeling or do you have any particular reason to find me scummy?

 

[vanderzant]

I think Riddle is scum. I wanted him lynched yesterday, but all I saw were weak promises from other players who also "want to lynch him" but somehow managed to prevent it.

The remaining scum are probably some combination of Guide/Nday, and less so Dancer/Clown/SSBF. TO be honest, Green is one of the few players who I consider to be town right now. I'll elaborate later, but for now I think it'd be best if everyone just lays there intentions on the table.

Day 2 was weird, kind of like how Dancer described, everyone was waiting around for something to happen. As a result Ermac was lynched (he probably should of gone Day 1, which was a big turning point in my opinion of him) for being inactive.

 

[Riddle]

You want me lynched because of DZLE's play, correct?

 

[Riddle]

Sorry for inactiveness, after marathon day my mom had to get surgery so much of my time was spent visiting her.

Some thoughts:

I think this game isn't necessarily suffering from a game of interactiveness as it is more suffering from "I'll wait until someone else posts" syndrom. I think that a lot of time, a player in this game, be it town or scum, will look to see what has happened in this game, and when they find that not much has happened, they decide to wait until something happens, rather then trying to make something happen. It's a vicious cycle because a lot of people think this way, thus leading to not much trying to get posted. It's really bad for town because it also allows scum to coast easily. Real v/la's (like Guide's) are understandable, though.

People are stating the obvious right now. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's not real scum hunting, so. . .

If we are about to hit serial killer toDay then he should claim, although he might not like it, he needs town to survive in order to have any chance at winning.

GreenStreet is still scummy, he's not really doing any scum hunting right now and I don't like how he completely changed his play style when I pointed out his first play style is wasn't helping out at all. Also I feel he lied about his reason for playing like he did; completely made it up as he went. I'm also gaining new suspects. Right now I'm getting a bad gut feeling about clownbot and vandarzant. I think we seriously need to look over them. I know I will.

This seems like a contradiction to me...

 

[vanderzant]

You want me lynched because of DZLE's play, correct?

Yeah pretty much.

 

[Greenstreet]

Lynch Exn, then Ermac, then DZLE-Falz imo.

Very little reasoning, but I'm sure it wasn't without logic. When I'm exam free it'll be worth at least looking into.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Is it solely a gut feeling or do you have any particular reason to find me scummy?

Right now it's based mostly off a subconscious feeling, but I think that's a good place to start. Besides, I'm tired of less experienced players (like ourselves, me included) just always letting you go with out even looking at you. I'm definitely not going to let that happen in this game.

This seems like a contradiction to me...

How so? Not scum hunting is scummy, and GreenStreet started off this day without much scum hunting, thus I feel, he is scummy. I said it's not necessarily a bad thing to state the obvious, but it is a bad thing when that's all you're doing.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Also, even if it was a contradiction, what's your point?

 

[Riddle]

It was a contradiction, because you said people aren't scumhunting they are just stating the obvious but that isn't scumhunting and then said that Greenstreet was scummy BECAUSE he isn't scumhunting.

Contradictions, such as this one, really make it seem to me you are grabbing for SOMETHING to make your case look good, so you use a reason that is really safe, and unwittingly contradict yourself.

I don't actually think this makes you scum, it was probably just an accident, but I felt like it needed to be pointed out. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Greenstreet]

Anyone feel like forcing a claim? Not much is happening here atm.

 

[Greenstreet]

For the record, I want either Riddle or DZLE.

 

[vanderzant]

Green I'm fairly sure Riddle/DZLE are the same playerslot.

Everyone else, speak up!

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Anyone feel like forcing a claim? Not much is happening here atm.

Hm. . . I'm considering this. I can see the benefits of having the two culted people (assuming OS culted two people and that they're both still alive) and the doc claim, but also at the same time having the doc claim means, well, a lost doc. If everyone else wants to then I'll go along with it, but as of now I'm undecided about it.

 

[Riddle]

People who want me lynched, build a case! It might be hard to defend against for me (I'm not DZLE) but at least there will be SOMETHING out there.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

People who want me lynched, build a case! It might be hard to defend against for me (I'm not DZLE) but at least there will be SOMETHING out there.

Against you, DZLE, or both?

 

[Riddle]

Both. We are/were the same role so any points on either of us are valid.

 

[Deleted member]

I found a couple things while re-reading:

1. One of Overswarm's suspects was The_Guide (During Day 1). I can remember a post saying if it wasn't for The_Guide being a newbie, he would turn the bandwagon on him. Keep this in mind.

2. Riddle is slightly suspicious. For starters, the predecessor wasn't that great. I also agree with Clownbot in where Riddle threaten to lynch anyone who quick lynched Dark Ermac at the time he said that (About four days until the Day 2 deadline).

Someone has got to place a vote. With that said: Vote: Riddle

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Careful with voting, Fan and everyone else, currently someone being at even L_3 is risky. Your vote is fine, but just a warning to everyone else.

 

[vanderzant]

#446 Sums up my thoughts of DZLE pretty well. Page 12 (40 posts mode) is a good read as well.

Riddle, i'll take a look at your play, but note it was DZLE that struck worst with me. Not much you really said at the time really jumped out, but i'll re read.

 

[Riddle]

I found a couple things while re-reading:

1. One of Overswarm's suspects was The_Guide (During Day 1). I can remember a post saying if it wasn't for The_Guide being a newbie, he would turn the bandwagon on him. Keep this in mind.

2. Riddle is slightly suspicious. For starters, the predecessor wasn't that great. I also agree with Clownbot in where Riddle threaten to lynch anyone who quick lynched Dark Ermac at the time he said that (About four days until the Day 2 deadline).

Someone has got to place a vote. With that said: Vote: Riddle

In response to point 2. My threatening to lynch anyone who quick-lynched ermac was an empty threat. The REAL point of saying that was to make it much less likely that it in fact happened so we could get a claim and more discussion in. If someone had hammered before I posted (ninja) then I would have been fine. Basically, my post prevented us from having to deal with that situation at all.

So what makes you think thats scummy. I don't care what clownbot says.

 

[vanderzant]

Where oh where is Nday?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Where oh where is Nday?

This, but also, where's everyone?

Okay, since deadline is coming up, and disscussion is pretty weak, here is what I purpose we do: lets all play a game of OverSwarm, but on a larger scale. Everyone gets someone, and then they make an OS like analysis on them. You can pick anyone, even if that person is already been picked. I'll start with Clown, which I'll do later today (it's 1:30 where I am).

Also, not enough people showed their insights on rather or not a claim would be a good idea or not.

Everyone who is coasting is as of now also getting scum points from me.

 

[vanderzant]

I'll start with Clown, which I'll do later today (it's 1:30 where I am).

Any reason why you picked Clown?

And I'll do Nday. Maybe he'll show up if I do so

 

[Greenstreet]

i'll do riddle, i'm not sure when the deadline is but i am gonna be gone for a day, two max.

Next thing i post will be the OS thing.

 

[Riddle]

I will do vanderzant

 

[The_Guide]

Sorry for the inactivity. Life kinda caught up with me.

I'll do SSBF, if this is really what town wants. I've gotta ask, tho, what are the people who have yet to choose someone going to do? As of now, there are three choices (Me, Dancer, and Street). Are we going to force the remaining town to pick one of them, even if they genuinely believe that they are all town?

I'm just lucky that someone I was suspicious of was left over.

 

[Deleted member]

I plan on doing Riddle.

@Vanderzant: Do you mean we do every single post by them?

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry, that question was meant for Sworddancer.

 

[The_Guide]

SSBF, read back on OS's conversation with Clownbot. Thats what Dancer wants.

 

[The_Guide]

This, but also, where's everyone?

Okay, since deadline is coming up, and disscussion is pretty weak, here is what I purpose we do: lets all play a game of OverSwarm, but on a larger scale. Everyone gets someone, and then they make an OS like analysis on them. You can pick anyone, even if that person is already been picked. I'll start with Clown, which I'll do later today (it's 1:30 where I am).

Also, not enough people showed their insights on rather or not a claim would be a good idea or not.

Everyone who is coasting is as of now also getting scum points from me.

Lol, can't believe I missed the bolded part. Forget what I said in my last post.

I'm still going to stick with SSBF, tho.

 

[The_Guide]

Btw, Dancer, who are the coasting players? I would obviously be one of them, along with Clownbot and Nday... is there someone else that you feel is coasting?

 

[vanderzant]

WTF Nday's last post was 20 days ago. Starting analysis now.