Beat!
Smash Master
I tried practicing that for a while, but I never really got it down consistently so I gave up and settled for WD down dtilt instead.
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Yeah pivot grab is free it's not even a tech lol
I meant like pivot dtilt.
I meant like pivot dtilt.
Bones0
Smash Legend
I didn't think Umbreon menat pivot dtilt. I thought he was just talking about pivot grab/fair/nair.
Like Beat!, I tried to pivot dtilt for an hour or something and couldn't even get some improvement in it. The few times I did get it, it seemed like I was inputting the dtilt on the pivot frame, but I kept dash attacking or just not turning around at all.
Yo, Kadano, is there an angle I can press on my stick that will allow me to pivot and dtilt?
Dash, turn around, jump cancel grab. You can do it at any point in the dash which is why it's not a true pivot.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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I have a little game to play here for everyone.
Question: How to deal with Falco lasers in a 'neutral' setting?
Rules: Describe what YOU do. Do not describe what you THINK you should do. Then, give reasons for this approach.
Example: I ask myself this question. Say Marth/Falco on FD. No platforms to use. SO, I try to depend upon Falco getting impatient and only shield once I see a laser coming at me followed by wavedash back at any distance. On stages with platform try to mix in staying on platforms to get falco to come at me instead.
Question: How to deal with Falco lasers in a 'neutral' setting?
Rules: Describe what YOU do. Do not describe what you THINK you should do. Then, give reasons for this approach.
Example: I ask myself this question. Say Marth/Falco on FD. No platforms to use. SO, I try to depend upon Falco getting impatient and only shield once I see a laser coming at me followed by wavedash back at any distance. On stages with platform try to mix in staying on platforms to get falco to come at me instead.
I like this game.
Generally I try my darndest to powershield. If I suck that day and can't I sorta have to pay attention to how he's lasering since falcos tend to have a pattern–dashdances mixed up with lasers and then maybe a nair approach if they feel safe going in, etc. The reason for the powershielding is obviously that when you don't have platforms, it's the option that gives you the most freedom and threatens them the most. Paying attention to the laser pattern and maybe getting them caught in that pattern can get me a grab.
I don't think this is necessarily the best way to handle the situation but that's what I do.
Bones0
Smash Legend
I PS and **** 'em up. lol Even if they're shooting low or high lasers, I'm using a lot of shield + WD. I mostly WD back, but WDing in place and forward if they are far enough away can be useful. I also use a ton of dtilt for poking, and I'm not afraid to go for aerials up close when he doesn't have horizontal momentum because even if I get lasered out of a fair, I can just fair again and he can't do anything about it.
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just pivot grab actually. pivot is basically looking from a conversion in the neutral game when the opponent moves like they have a PA when they really don't. it's functionally equal to DD grab on a bait (not when you're using DD to take stage space to set PA), it just has different execution and placement. sword swings are always sketchy on conversion but especially so on pivots because it opens you up to crouch much worse when you can't properly set tip placement. grab is the best conversion for many reasons, but avoiding crouch and eliminating placement bias are two big ones. since marth's choices are grab or random sword moves, just stick to grab imo.
Bones0
Smash Legend
What does PA stand for?
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i got tired of writing out "positional advantage" and "positional disadvantage" so now I just put PA and PD and i hope people catch on because i'm lazy. honestly they're just as important as **** like l canceling in terms of winning, i'm surprised it's not part of the terminology prior to now.
Bones0
Smash Legend
L-canceling doesn't really have an acronym either though. >.>
(The L in SHFFL doesn't count).
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this is why you have no friends.
Bones0
Smash Legend
So can anyone tell me how to better edge guard Sheik as Marth? I found myself really struggling trying to edge guard a Sheik player this past weekend. The player was going low and doing wall jumps to needle turn around to grab the ledge, it was very difficult to get around.
FrootLoop
Smash Lord
Walljump -> needle turn around only grabs the ledge on select stages right? I didn't think it would work on YS/FoD/BF/PS.
You can maybe just do a ledgehop down air to hit them out of it on FD/DL.
You can maybe just do a ledgehop down air to hit them out of it on FD/DL.
Bones0
Smash Legend
What about ledgedropping and side-Bing immediately so you regrab the ledge regardless of if you hit him or not?
Kadano
Magical Express
Didn’t follow this thread for a while so I didn’t notice your question until now. I read a thread from 2008 where someone wrote that Magus checks whether people need him by searching for his name, so I thought maybe I should do this too – and indeed.
The criterion for a pivot is a dash input (|x−128|≥64). The only attack a dash input’s value can trigger is a side smash unless it is held there.
Unfortunately, “fresh” x values that far away from 128 can only trigger dsmash and fsmash. Therefore, the answer to your question is no.
In case you wonder, holding the control stick slightly upward on the dash prior to pivot does not help at all.
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maybe because your approval doesnt matter
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no one's "approval" matters lol, but you're not going to get very good at this game if you don't have some people to bounce ideas off of.
Tarv
Smash Journeyman
Merry Christmas Marth Boards!
Thank you for all the help.
Thank you for all the help.
Your approval matters to me! WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME?!
can someone tell me uthrow forward b against C. falcon works? like, against human beings? cause i don't have any human beings to help me.
and i mean, like, uthrow, forward b, grab, and repeat. at 40ish% to 70ish%
and i mean, like, uthrow, forward b, grab, and repeat. at 40ish% to 70ish%
Bones0
Smash Legend
oh gosh! ok, XD
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because you play marth in teams
lol
real talk you seem pretty cool, i'm just not the social butterfly that kevin is apparently.
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sure i can do that.
marth is awful in teams. marth has the 2nd worst combo weight in the game after mewtwo, can't do anything to get out of teams combos or juggles, his recovery sucks, he can't account for tip placements reliably with 3 people on the screen, he can't save his teammate, he has a hard time being saved, he's easily walled out of a fight while the other team gets to work on his teammate, he sucks at holding stock, his kill set-ups are easily interrupted and he has no real kill moves if your opponents DI everything up, he has no real semblance of stage control, it's basically impossible to do extensive juggles and combos, you have to shield and marth's shield options are ass. all of marth's character assets are completely nullified in teams with no advantage whatsoever and he's a consistent source of exploitation since any other viable character from singles besides marth is also viable in teams, so as long as he's teamed with a viable singles character, the marth is always a liability to his team simply by being so much worse by default. whenever i play against a team with peach and another character, i fight the other character and stay away from peach. whenever i fight a team with marth and another character, i just **** the marth because he can't do anything about it, and any smart opposing team will do the same thing because he's so bad in teams that it's just free wins.
Bones0
Smash Legend
How does Marth have the worst combo weight (I'm assuming you're including gravity in with weight) after Mewtwo? Fox and Falco easily have the worst combo weight. Also, Roy is just a FFing version of Marth. Link, Pikachu, and the Marios are all about as bad as Marth, and probably worse. Then there's Pichu... LOL
Just super saiyan.
Just super saiyan.
Purpletuce
Smash Lord
It probably was based on his feeling. I'd say the most combo-able weight would be heavy enough they don't shoot out of reach, but not fall fast enough that they can easily land and get tech options. I'd say because of their fallspeed, spacies are a better weight to get out of combos in teams than Marth.
I'd say Marth is one of many characters who are about equally bad in terms of combo weight. I also wouldn't say M2 isn't the worst off (floaty enough to get out of some things).
I'd say Marth is one of many characters who are about equally bad in terms of combo weight. I also wouldn't say M2 isn't the worst off (floaty enough to get out of some things).
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^ propaganda, 20xx hidden agenda
Purpletuce
Smash Lord
The hidden agenda of Yoshi players is probably along the lines of 'don't DI so I can make a combo video', not so much 'play fox'.
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marth and mewtwo get way more combo ***** than fox and falco do in teams.
Bones0
Smash Legend
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Marth gets punished harder per opening than any other character in the game; his combo weight is atrocious. Basically every grab->attack in the game works on him. Doc's throw -> armpit punch. Fox uthrow->uair. FALCO uthrow->uair.... What Falcon and Sheik are able to do to him per grab is downright criminal, and we should all be thankful that most Falcons and Sheiks are too bad to know how to do it properly.
At least Mewtwo has a recovery that doesn't get A-B-C'd by invincibility bs.
The fact that you'd even bring up the spacies' wonderful weight (which basically reduces many punishes to hard-to-react techchases with low frame leniency due to shine), shows a deep fundamental misunderstanding of #thaStruggle and a distinct lack of pessimism, which frankly I don't appreciate in my Marth boards, especially from filthy Falco mains.
[the difference between Marth and Fox weight is that if Marth was ever in a Falcon grab like the video you linked, Falcon wouldn't even need a teammate (or terrible DI) to touch of death him]
At least Mewtwo has a recovery that doesn't get A-B-C'd by invincibility bs.
The fact that you'd even bring up the spacies' wonderful weight (which basically reduces many punishes to hard-to-react techchases with low frame leniency due to shine), shows a deep fundamental misunderstanding of #thaStruggle and a distinct lack of pessimism, which frankly I don't appreciate in my Marth boards, especially from filthy Falco mains.
[the difference between Marth and Fox weight is that if Marth was ever in a Falcon grab like the video you linked, Falcon wouldn't even need a teammate (or terrible DI) to touch of death him]
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
Note: Having said all that, I still think Marth is the best character in the game .... which should tell you just how highly I think of sword swag
Sword swag OP
Sword swag OP