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Captain Falcon's Priority?

SofaKingdom

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This might sound dumb but how good is Captain Falcon's priority to hit?

Obviously falcon punch beats everything but anyways I noticed in clashes between most of falcon's moves and another character usually end up to be stalemates.

I also think that when clashing with a fully charged samus charge shot it will also be negated.

So what is Falcon's priority? Does it suck balls or is it so good it cancels out any move?
 

smashkng

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Falcon Punch doesn't beat everything, it clashes with some jabs.

If you never beat any move, it means you haven't good priority.
 

aznfreak13

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For some reason Captain Falcon does clashes with opponents moves that are high priority <_< >_> I think. I haven't played Captain Falcon for a while so I have to test it out to see
 

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Most of Falcon's priority sucks, unfortunately. The glorious Punch gets beaten by swords. SWORDS!

But yeah, disjointed hitbox and all.
 

Red Arremer

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Captain Falcon has poor priority on most of his moves, yes. His qualities are somewhere else, though.

<3 Camptain Falcon.
 

Pichu4SSB4

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Falcon Punch does not beat everything, it can be stopped with one jab. All of his special moves have terrible priority, playing against my friend who uses Lucas always beats my special moves with his PK Firah. I say his best priority move is his jab.
 

Kitamerby

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Falcon Punch doesn't beat everything, it clashes with some jabs.

If you never beat any move, it means you haven't good priority.
Whose jab clashes with Falcon Punch?

Damage rule says that's impossible.

Falcon's "priority problems" are merely illusions brought upon by the fact that his moves (especially his aerials) have no disjoint or range whatsoever. The damage output of his ground moves are fine.

His jab being his "highest priority" move is just a joke that is not supposed to be taken seriously.

 

Player-3

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falcon punch ***** everything that isnt disjointed
and by ***** i mean *****
including tornado

utilt ***** everything else
 

mcnichoj

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Falcons priority is equal to the amount of PS3 games there are.
i.e. HE HAZ NONE!
 

mars16

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Overall he has bad priority

But he's still a good character.....I don't find priority to be that important
 

Ray_Kalm

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You guys don't seem to know much about your character.

Falcon Punch has a ton of priority. There's only a certain part of it that does not.
 

Player-3

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You guys don't seem to know much about your character.

Falcon Punch has a ton of priority. There's only a certain part of it that does not.
this

you people are dumb

also we need more frame data

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ive been playing marth too much, need moar frame data
MOAR
SUSA
 

QueWhatHuh

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im a wario main, thought id tell you guys a funny story on how bite > falcon punch. poor falcons ;[
 

Player-3

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im a falcon main, thought id tell you guys a funny story on how utilt > bite. poor warios ;[
 

Liquid Gen

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well you see, as much as i would love to

and i would

HOWEVER

unluckily the combination of distance, ride, and underageb& johns

i probably shant make it
 

Player-3

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****

too bad you live in warner robins, that place is pretty much a smash wasteland
lmao

saw that you were at the halloween bash though, good shiet

i was supposed to go there but parents cancelled the permission of getting a ride with biglou like 2 days before the thing
ffffffffuuuu
 

Red Arremer

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Well, I just answered his question - overall (as in - on average) Falcon has poor priority. Few moves don't.
Not sure why people keep bringing his priority up, though.

Also, SuSa quit SWF. <<
 

Red Arremer

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In November or December, iirc. He even made a blog about it.

Maybe you can get one of the Workshop BRoomers or Smash Researchers to research Falcon's frame data for you? I wish I could offer you that, but my skills in this regard are rather limited.
 

BigLord

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Actually, it IS proven. Captain Falcon's jab has the best priority of all his other moves. It obviously isn't the most damaging, though, but it CAN set good combos.

FALCON JAB!!
 

Player-3

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yeszszs

i need accurate data

my falcon is suffering due to my playstyle change from my frame data analysis marth playstyle which doesnt work with falcon

because i havent memorized his frame data

fff
 

teluoborg

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I approve of this.
Frame data is so much needed, gogo Gen !

Plus Falcon's hitbubbles are being done by some hero named AMKalmar.

Keep stepping it up guise.
 

BigLord

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I second lordhelmet's question. How do we research the frame data? Hacking? Or is there any other way?
 

Mit

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Jab doesn't really have great priority, per se. It's just a fast move that does average ground move damage. IIRC, there's a certain damage percentage range (which is relatively large) where, if two moves hit, they simply clash. Where "priority" typically comes into play, is with disjointed hitboxes. If Falcon hits a disjointed hitbox that does similar damage, chances are, the disjointed move is going to hit a Falcon hurtbox, while Falcon's move is going to hit nothing but a hitbox (which isn't good enough, so he loses and gets hits). I believe it works something like that (?).

People think jab is good because we're usually in our opponents face when using it, so they're usually using fast ground moves, which are less often disjointed. Also, one might think it has better priority because it's so fast, when really, it's just hitting your opponent before a hitbox comes out for their attack.

Falcon Punch or whatever clashing with a weegee fireball is because it's a projectile. I think you need some kind of other properties to go through projectiles (forget what they were, I know the Balanced Brawl project added it to Ganon's down-b so that, the first time he uses it with no decay, he goes through projectiles). It might just be an absurd amount of initial damage. Not sure though.

Falcon's "priority" just sucks because he has no disjoint, and 99% of the time, if he clashes with a disjoint hitbox of any kind, he loses. And there are tons of characters with many disjointed moves. Falcon just has utilt (which is indeed awesome).

Although, utilt is still hard to hit Wario's bite with. I play a Wario main pretty often, and it has to be spaced very well. However I do believe it is the only move in his entire moveset that can hit Wario while doing bite.
 

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Or you could just, you know, hit Mario while he's facing backwards.

But yeah that's a very good point, never noticed that about the jab.
 

teluoborg

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Hyphen smash beats Bite, Mit. People tend to underestimate the disjointedness of Usmash. Make them regret.
 

BigLord

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Actually, I think Wario CAN eat C. Falcon even when he hyphen usmashes.

... I'm probably wrong, though.
 

actionblackbird

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ike can take **** from falcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoYmG4_6ews

oh and yes, Wario DOES eat falcon's...knee, punch...and maybe more?

Oh, and there are times that I swearer that I falcon punch someone.
What happen is that I falcon punch...and for some reason, the punch went though them without being hit O_o;

his u-air is ******** and is the only priority move he has.
 

BigLord

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^Actually, no. Wario's Dtilt has a disjointed hitbox (acts like a sword. Don't ask), so it IS a very prioritized move.

But it's also very slow, lol
 
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