Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

Probably Roy instead of Bandana Lee.

 

[CannonStreak]

I don't think he did. He just said that Mewtwo is coming soon so wait until then.

I thought so.

Like I said on the last page, so this isn't missed by others, we should get others to buy the Mewtwo DLC to convince Sakurai to make more DLC, and perhaps get Wolf in the process.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

@ Mike Voss-Trikstar Wut? (Pictures Bandana Dee with braided pigtails) I love your profile picture though.

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

@ SMAASH! Puppy , Pigtails....Lolz Yes!
Can't give up Roy, though.
Also thanks, I like your picture too.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What have I done? I hate it but it's so funny (and a little disturbing.)

I really want to play Wolf again. I might actually be good at him. More likely I will find something repetitive to do and won't be good, but there is hope right?

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

@ SMAASH! Puppy , It looks like Jack Sparrow. With a spear.

This is my Mega Man. Totally unrelated but I wanted to give you an example of how I draw.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I like it. Good Job on Beat. I can't draw birds from that angle. Reminds me of the drawing is started that had all of the cut veterans. I stopped because my pitiful attempt at drawing Snake ruined the rest of the picture. (Oddly enough Wolf looked better than Lucas and the Ice Climbers.)

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

@ SMAASH! Puppy , Lolz. Thanks.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I want to make a Wolf Amiibo...... I really, really do.
But I need to know in advance will he return or if Star Fox U will give him one.
God damn it Sakurai tell me this and get it out of the way.
I am sick of waiting.
Bring Home The Veternas.
BHTV

 

[Wintropy]

I want to make a Wolf Amiibo...... I really, really do.
But I need to know in advance will he return or if Star Fox U will give him one.
God damn it Sakurai tell me this and get it out of the way.
I am sick of waiting.
Bring Home The Veternas.
BHTV

Gotta love The Veternas.

Spoiler

:3

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

(Looks at Wintropy's spoiler box. Sees a smiley face.) Oh no! Now I know what happens at the end of ssb4's story mode!

Speaking of cut veterans. I decided to try again in drawing all of them in epic battle poses. I only have Pichu so far though. I'll show you Pichu in a minute, let me know if you have any suggestions on a pose for Wolf. (Or drawing tips. I'm not very confident that it will turn out well. I'll do my best though.)
Here is Pichu

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

How about him howling? Or his "whats the matter, scared?" kick. Or him pointing his blaster at the artist. Or him Wolf Dashing someone. or his "I will be the one to take you down" winning pose.

 

[Sakuraichu]

#BringBackTheBrawlVeterans
(Sorry Roy fans, but I think all the cut characters from Melee that didn't return are redunant, pointless or both)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

#BringBackTheBrawlVeterans
(Sorry Roy fans, but I think all the cut characters from Melee that didn't return are redunant, pointless or both)

Roy has a lot of hate from actual FE fans

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

@ Mike Voss-Trikstar Thanks. I think I'll put him next to Lucas. Unfortunately, Lucas looks terrible.

EDIT: All right Lucas looks much better. Now all I have to do is draw Wolf in his crouching stance looking like he wants to eat you, Roy standing behind Wolf and Lucas holding up his flaming-sword-that-I-don't-know-the-name-of, Squirtle and Ivysaur ready for battle, Young Link behind the two running into battle holding the Deku Mask, the Pokémon Trainer looking terrified and dropping two of his Poké Balls, Snake biting the pin off of a grenade, and the Ice Climbers dangling from a condor ready for battle. Oh boy. I really hope I didn't forget anyone.

 

[CannonStreak]

Roy has a lot of hate from actual FE fans

Really? Why is that so?

 

[Sakuraichu]

Really? Why is that so?

Because he was useless.

 

[CannonStreak]

Because he was useless.

I hope you don't mind me asking, but can you please tell me more about why?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I hope you don't mind me asking, but can you please tell me more about why?

Roy is considered by many to be useless in his own game due to the fact he can only promote within the last couple of chapters in his game, IIRC.

 

[AlphaSSB]

Can someone link me to the page where these things are? I'm seeing them everywhere but cannot find them. And I thought Roy was pretty cool back in the day

 

[Wintropy]

Can someone link me to the page where these things are? I'm seeing them everywhere but cannot find them. And I thought Roy was pretty cool back in the day

@N3ON makes them. :3

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

Because he was useless.

Actually, I prefer Roy these days over Marth although Marth was my main for about 4 years.

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

Can someone link me to the page where these things are? I'm seeing them everywhere but cannot find them. And I thought Roy was pretty cool back in the day

Yeah, man. ROY'S OUR BOY.

 

[Wintropy]

@ Mike Voss-Trikstar , protip: don't double-post. Edit your post instead.

 

[CannonStreak]

Roy is considered by many to be useless in his own game due to the fact he can only promote within the last couple of chapters in his game, IIRC.

I see. Now I see why he is useless. He was still a good Melee character, though he was not one of my mains.

 

[FalKoopa]

I hope you don't mind me asking, but can you please tell me more about why?

Roy is a rather weak unit unit in his own game, unlike Ike who is a powerhouse and can practically clear maps solo in some of the later chapters. Most of Roy's fanbase is due to Melee and Project M.

It's kind of a double standard to be perfectly honest, as Marth is an even worse unit than Roy in his own games, but he's the sacred cow of the franchise.

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

Roy is a rather weak unit unit in his own game, unlike Ike who is a powerhouse and can practically clear maps solo in some of the later chapters. Most of Roy's fanbase is due to Melee and Project M.

It's kind of a double standard to be perfectly honest, as Marth is an even worse unit than Roy in his own games, but he's the sacred cow of the franchise.

Melee was used to promote Fire Emblem in countries where it wasn't initially released. When people played Melee, it made them want to find out more about Marth and Roy (mostly Marth) thus increasing the fanbase of Fire Emblem.

 

[Wintropy]

I think Marth has the advantage of being the original and most iconic hero, though. Roy is kind of a spontaneous choice out of numerous potential candidates.

It was going to be Leif from FE5 in addition to Marth, if the old story is indeed true, and Roy was chosen to promote the then-new FE6 at Intelligent Systems' behest.

Even Marth had a contingency plan in place, as Sakurai wasn't sure if IS would let him use the character.

Kinda like how Falco was going to be Wolf, but Sakurai thought he and Fox would look too similar and would confuse players.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Kinda like how Falco was going to be Wolf, but Sakurai thought he and Fox would look too similar and would confuse players.

I had to.

 

[Wintropy]

I had to.

I thought that would be brought up.

Graphical limitations would have been a factor in Melee, at least moreso than they are nowadays, and there's only so much you can do to distinguish Fox from Wolf with those scrunchy Gamecube-era pixels.

I don't think it would have been much of an issue, I'm sure it would be negligible, but considering Wolf is depicted in the opening cinematic as "grey Fox with an eyepatch", I get that Sakurai would be concerned that they look too similar.

Even so, Dark Pit has pretty prominent black wings in all of his palette swaps, whereas Pit's are white. Fox and Wolf in their Melee designs have no such distinguishing characteristics to set them apart.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I thought that would be brought up.

Graphical limitations would have been a factor in Melee, at least moreso than they are nowadays, and there's only so much you can do to distinguish Fox from Wolf with those scrunchy Gamecube-era pixels.

I don't think it would have been much of an issue, I'm sure it would be negligible, but considering Wolf is depicted in the opening cinematic as "grey Fox with an eyepatch", I get that Sakurai would be concerned that they look too similar.

Even so, Dark Pit has pretty prominent black wings in all of his palette swaps, whereas Pit's are white. Fox and Wolf in their Melee designs have no such distinguishing characteristics to set them apart.

Eh, Pit and Dark Pit have alts of each other wear wings are pretty much the only difference, I am glad Wolf didn't become a cookie-cutter clone though

 

[A Distant Demon]

Dark Pit and wolf aren't comparable. Dark pit straight up was a costume. Then he got a free boost. Him looking similar was kind of the point.

wolf does look far more like fox than falco does though but that is obvious

 

[AlphaSSB]

In Melee, I agreed with Sakurai's reasoning on how Fox and Wolf would look too similar with Melee's engine. Falco made for a much more visually appealing and physically different character. Wolf in Brawl was a great idea because Brawl's engine was able to make Fox and Wolf different from each other through different models, textures, etc. There's literally no excuse for Dark Pit. Ugh... I miss Wolf... so, so bad.

 

[Wintropy]

In Melee, I agreed with Sakurai's reasoning on how Fox and Wolf would look too similar with Melee's engine. Falco made for a much more visually appealing and physically different character. Wolf in Brawl was a great idea because Brawl's engine was able to make Fox and Wolf different from each other through different models, textures, etc. There's literally no excuse for Dark Pit. Ugh... I miss Wolf... so, so bad.

People who say there's no excuse for Dark Pit are deliberately ignoring the blindingly obvious rationale behind his addition.

Just sayin'.

 

[Mike Voss-Trikstar]

Wolf's moveset and usage are almost completely different from Fox, while Dark Pit is almost exactly like Pit.

 

[AlphaSSB]

People who say there's no excuse for Dark Pit are deliberately ignoring the blindingly obvious rationale behind his addition.

Just sayin'.

Yes, because it's easier to add in clones than to put in unique characters, I get that. Also [ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37915502&postcount=7506 ]; apparently Sakurai stated that in Melee, he could've made King Dedede in the time it took him to add in the six clones (Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Roy, Ganondorf, and Falco). I also agree that it also makes the roster more visually appearing because of having more options/choices. I'm not blind, deaf, and incapable of understanding someone's reason, nor am I being ignorant and "deliberately ignoring" his reason. I understand to the fullest on his reasoning, but not all choices and opinions are perfect either. I feel that there are other routes he could've taken with this game.

Just sayin'

@N3ON makes them. :3

And thank-you kind sir. I've been looking for these. Neon does great work!

 

[Wintropy]

Yes, because it's easier to add in clones than to put in unique characters, I get that. Also [ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37915502&postcount=7506 ]; apparently Sakurai stated that in Melee, he could've made King Dedede in the time it took him to add in the six clones (Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Roy, Ganondorf, and Falco). I also agree that it also makes the roster more visually appearing because of having more options/choices. I'm not blind, deaf, and incapable of understanding someone's reason, nor am I being ignorant and "deliberately ignoring" his reason. I understand to the fullest on his reasoning, but not all choices and opinions are perfect either. I feel that there are other routes he could've taken with this game.

Just sayin'

You said there's "literally no excuse" for Dark Pit. That contradicts quite pointedly with your post here: to wit, that you understand his rationale, but don't agree with it.

It's not the sentiment I take issue with, it's the manner in which it's expressed. I respect your opinion if you don't like Dark Pit, but presenting the notion in such a hyperbolic (not to mention syntactically egregious) manner seems unnecessary.

A simple "I don't like Dark Pit" would have sufficed. No need to be overly emphatic about it, m'kay?

And thank-you kind sir. I've been looking for these. Neon does great work!

You're welcome, but I'm not a "sir".

 

[AlphaSSB]

You said there's "literally no excuse" for Dark Pit. That contradicts quite pointedly with your post here: to wit, that you understand his rationale, but don't agree with it.

It's not the sentiment I take issue with, it's the manner in which it's expressed. I respect your opinion if you don't like Dark Pit, but presenting the notion in such a hyperbolic (not to mention syntactically egregious) manner seems unnecessary.

A simple "I don't like Dark Pit" would have sufficed. No need to be overly emphatic about it, m'kay?

You're welcome, but I'm not a "sir".

Honestly, I just got heated with the "Just sayin'" -and in simple terms, I don't like Dark Pit, and that his reason is debatable. Also, the "Thank-you good sir" is just a quote. It meant no fixation on your gender. Regardless, apologies for getting a bit heated.

 

[FalKoopa]

I thought that would be brought up.

Graphical limitations would have been a factor in Melee, at least moreso than they are nowadays, and there's only so much you can do to distinguish Fox from Wolf with those scrunchy Gamecube-era pixels.

I don't think it would have been much of an issue, I'm sure it would be negligible, but considering Wolf is depicted in the opening cinematic as "grey Fox with an eyepatch", I get that Sakurai would be concerned that they look too similar.

Even so, Dark Pit has pretty prominent black wings in all of his palette swaps, whereas Pit's are white. Fox and Wolf in their Melee designs have no such distinguishing characteristics to set them apart.

To be fair, I think if players can distinguish Pit and Dark Pit on 3DS, they probably could distinguish Fox and Wolf on an early 2000's TV.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I can't distinguish the two when they are wearing black (for Pit) or white (for Dark Pit) garments. But they are similar enough that it doesn't really matter. Better to notice that what you thought was Pit was actually Dark Pit and vice versa midmatch than to realize that you are fighting Wolf instead of Fox midmatch. That said Wolf's stance and clothing is so different from Fox's that I think people would notice quickly.