Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

[PurpleSoda]

Are you serious? Never played a DKC game but I can think of one right on the spot.

Let's go.
Neutral: Kannonball: Shoots a ****ing kannonball from blunderbuss.
Side: Krown Toss: throws his crown and it comes back to him
Up: Kopter Pak: Pulls out the kopter thing from DKC3 and flies up with it
Down: Ground Pound: ****ing jumps up and slams his butt on your face.

Wolf has a harder moveset to come up with than King K. Rool.

Oh,sounds legit,never played or seen any thing of DKC other than a commercial of Donkey Kong Country returns
I still think Lanky(HE) should be in with K.Rool

Welcome to the Wolf Thread! Where we talk about........King K.Rool?

We're talking about Wolf right?

WE HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT,WE MILKED EVERYTHING WOLF RELATED

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Are you serious? Never played a DKC game but I can think of one right on the spot.

Let's go.
Neutral: Kannonball: Shoots a ****ing kannonball from blunderbuss.
Side: Krown Toss: throws his crown and it comes back to him
Up: Kopter Pak: Pulls out the kopter thing from DKC3 and flies up with it
Down: Ground Pound: ****ing jumps up and slams his butt on your face.

Wolf has a harder moveset to come up with than King K. Rool.

So Bowser Jr's neutral B, Toon Link's side B, DK's Up B and Bowser's down B. Nothing against K Rool but I think these ideas are a little boring

 

[Tahu Mata]

So Bowser Jr's neutral B, Toon Link's side B, DK's Up B and Bowser's down B. Nothing against K Rool but I think these ideas are a little boring

Well, just remember they are just ideas on paper. They could actually work very differently from those specials.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Well, just remember they are just ideas on paper. They could actually work very differently from those specials.

I don't really see how other than a few hitbox, knockback or speed changes. It'd still be a cloned move regardless

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

So Bowser Jr's neutral B, Toon Link's side B, DK's Up B and Bowser's down B. Nothing against K Rool but I think these ideas are a little boring

I would replace the Down B with electricity pods. I said that later. I would also make the kannonball work like the spiked one from DKC2 where it does that spiral motion, don't know if that would work in Smash though.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

I would replace the Down B with electricity pods. I said that later. I would also make the kannonball work like the spiked one from DKC2 where it does that spiral motion, don't know if that would work in Smash though.

An idea I had was giving him the different enemies as specials, neutral B could be the standard kremling which grabs the opponent, K Rool will then direct them on which way to throw them acting as a comand grab.
Down B could be the Klaptrap which walks along the stage like Bowser Jr's down B but grabs and repeatedly bites the opponent like Wario's neutral B which could set up for combos.
Up B could be the zinger which would repeatedly stab forwards while carrying K Rool up making it a great defensive move from the front but very risky from behind.
Not sure about side B though.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

An idea I had was giving him the different enemies as specials, neutral B could be the standard kremling which grabs the opponent, K Rool will then direct them on which way to throw them acting as a comand grab.
Down B could be the Klaptrap which walks along the stage like Bowser Jr's down B but grabs and repeatedly bites the opponent like Wario's neutral B which could set up for combos.
Up B could be the zinger which would repeatedly stab forwards while carrying K Rool up making it a great defensive move from the front but very risky from behind.
Not sure about down B though.

Then your playing the Kremling army, not King K. Rool. But anyway, we should get back to Wolf.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Then your playing the Kremling army, not King K. Rool. But anyway, we should get back to Wolf.

Not really as they'd only show up for specials.

Also, we have nothing to talk about regarding Wolf, why do people keep feeling the need to say this?

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Not really as they'd only show up for specials.

Also, we have nothing to talk about regarding Wolf, why do people keep feeling the need to say this?

I don't know, its just weird to talk about K Rool's moveset in the Wolf thread.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

I don't know, its just weird to talk about K Rool's moveset in the Wolf thread.

But why do we strictly have to talk about Wolf? What is up with some threads and keeping it solely on their character? A bunch of threads do this and conversation gets boring extremely fast

 

[Tahu Mata]

But why do we strictly have to talk about Wolf? What is up with some threads and keeping it solely on their character? A bunch of threads do this and conversation gets boring extremely fast

Agreed. Nothing with a little variety in threads every once in a while. Doesn't really harm anybody, and we can always go back to talking about our character.

 

[Logo12]

Are you serious? Never played a DKC game but I can think of one right on the spot.

Let's go.
Neutral: Kannonball: Shoots a ****ing kannonball from blunderbuss.
Side: Krown Toss: throws his crown and it comes back to him
Up: Kopter Pak: Pulls out the kopter thing from DKC3 and flies up with it
Down: Ground Pound: ****ing jumps up and slams his butt on your face.

Wolf has a harder moveset to come up with than King K. Rool.

Yep, these are based on some movesets you actually know. Ground Pound and Cannonball are two moves shared by two separate characters already (Bowser, Yoshi; Bowser Jr, Mii Brawler). Kopter Pak can easily seen as a mix of Link's Up B and Donkey Kong's Up B, and Side B is just a generic boomerang style weapon. This has almost no difference from when the K Rool thread asked people to make kloned movesets and stuff.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Yep, these are based on some movesets you actually know. Ground Pound and Cannonball are two moves shared by two separate characters already (Bowser, Yoshi; Bowser Jr, Mii Brawler). Kopter Pak can easily seen as a mix of Link's Up B and Donkey Kong's Up B, and Side B is just a generic boomerang style weapon. This has almost no difference from when the K Rool thread asked people to make kloned movesets and stuff.

Again, my personal taste for a down B is electricity pods, something no one in the roster has, I just picked the ground pound because that's the one most people think of. Also if your talking about cloney specials, you do know we are in the Wolf thread right. He is a semi clone.

 

[Logo12]

Again, my personal taste for a down B is electricity pods, something no one in the roster has, I just picked the ground pound because that's the one most people think of. Also if your talking about cloney specials, you do know we are in the Wolf thread right. He is a semi clone.

Except -- you're basically making a semi-clone version of your original moveset. I said with the same post that these moveset should be able to represent what it should, like how Megaman, Pacman, Wii fit trainer etc does.

Oh, we're back to the classic argument of Wolf being a semi-clone again? Oh pls.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Except -- you're basically making a semi-clone version of your original moveset. I said with the same post that these moveset should be able to represent what it should, like how Megaman, Pacman, Wii fit trainer etc does.

Oh, we're back to the classic argument of Wolf being a semi-clone again? Oh pls.

King K. Rool's moveset represents him. I've taken moves from all of his boss fights and put them into his moveset.

And Wolf is a semi-clone. He is. He shares similar moves to Fox. I am not saying he's a clone, he's a semi-clone.

 

[Logo12]

King K. Rool's moveset represents him. I've taken moves from all of his boss fights and put them into his moveset.

And Wolf is a semi-clone. He is. He shares similar moves to Fox. I am not saying he's a clone, he's a semi-clone.

Yeah, you took the moves, yet some of us can clearly see some of the moves are cloned our just extremely generic.

Also don't even get me started with Wolf. We've got this pages ago and you're still insisting on this. You clearly aren't even a Wolf Supporter.

 

[PurpleSoda]

King K. Rool's moveset represents him. I've taken moves from all of his boss fights and put them into his moveset.

And Wolf is a semi-clone. He is. He shares similar moves to Fox. I am not saying he's a clone, he's a semi-clone.

Semi-Half-Quarter Clone,take it or leave it

B function differently
Side B is diagnal
Up B does not have TEH PH1R3
Down B is one of few moves extremely similar to Fox's,except pink cuz HE IS A REAL MAN
FS is red and thats it(easily changeable)
Aireals and Smashes are different in everyway
But hey,that your opinion

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Yeah, you took the moves, yet some of us can clearly see some of the moves are cloned our just extremely generic.

Why did you add the extra line in my post?

The moves aren't generic. So what, King K. Rool and Bowser Jr. share a cannonball (that I propose have different properties) Marth, Ike, Lucina, Little Mac, Greninja, Shulk, and Roy all have counters with variations.

And to the comment you posted in my quote thing. You never argued with me about Wolf's semi-cloneness pages ago. And I am a Wolf supporter, if I want the character back in Smash, I'm a supporter.

Semi-Half-Quarter Clone,take it or leave it

B function differently
Side B is diagnal
Up B does not have TEH PH1R3
Down B is one of few moves extremely similar to Fox's,except pink cuz HE IS A REAL MAN
FS is red and thats it(easily changeable)
Aireals and Smashes are different in everyway
But hey,that your opinion

Back air is actually the same as Fox and Falco's, a backwards kick.

 

[Logo12]

Why did you add the extra line in my post?

The moves aren't generic. So what, King K. Rool and Bowser Jr. share a cannonball (that I propose have different properties) Marth, Ike, Lucina, Little Mac, Greninja, Shulk, and Roy all have counters with variations.

And to the comment you posted in my quote thing. You never argued with me about Wolf's semi-cloneness pages ago. And I am a Wolf supporter, if I want the character back in Smash, I'm a supporter.


Back air is actually the same as Fox and Falco's, a backwards kick.

Editing error.

It's something back around the 100th page or so, that even if you count all specials as cloned, plus Bair, Wolf is still less of a clone than Pit, Kirby is to Fox and Jigglypuff is to Kirby.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Editing error.

It's something back around the 100th page or so, that even if you count all specials as cloned, plus Bair, Wolf is still less of a clone than Pit, Kirby is to Fox and Jigglypuff is to Kirby.

I don't get this...

 

[AlphaSSB]

I find it funny how when we finally get off a character who isn't the primary focus of this thread, we start an argument about the character who is. It was decided long ago that Wolf was unique with similarities. Kirby and Jigglypuff have similarities, Lucario and Mewtwo have similarities. All are unique. Now, could we please stay from the "Wolf is a clone" topic and get to something else?

How do you all think Wolf's matchups will turn out? I just hope he can wreck Rosalina, Luigi, Sheik, and Shulk, personally.

 

[CaptainJimmBob]

Grrrrrrr............

You people are pretty sad if you think King K. Rool has lower chances because of his movesets that are slightly similar to other characters. Especially when the very character you are advocating has an even less unique set of specials. King K. Rool's suggested up B is nothing like Link or DK's up B.
Just because I support Wolf does not mean I can spout bull and lies. Wolf is not a semi clone, but saying that K. Rool can't be in because he is not unique is sad because he would be more unique than Wolf, well, if he K. Rool is like this if he happens.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I find it funny how when we finally get off a character who isn't the primary focus of this thread, we start an argument about the character who is. It was decided long ago that Wolf was unique with similarities. Kirby and Jigglypuff have similarities, Lucario and Mewtwo have similarities. All are unique. Now, could we please stay from the "Wolf is a clone" topic and get to something else?

How do you all think Wolf's matchups will turn out? I just hope he can wreck Rosalina, Luigi, Sheik, and Shulk, personally.

I never said Wolf is a clone, he's a semi-clone, he is, specials are variants to Fox's. He's in the same situation as Roy but to a lesser degree (Roy joke get it. Degree like temperature. Roy has fire which is hot. nvm).

 

[CaptainJimmBob]

I mean, look at the boss fight for Donkey Kong Country 2! There is so much moveset potential in that fight, alone!

I really don't like how I am talking about all this, might be bad, because of how off topic it is.

 

[GalacticPetey]

I would say not even a semi-clone. Aside from vaguely similar specials, Wolf shares no moves with fox.

 

[Tahu Mata]

I mean, look at the boss fight for Donkey Kong Country 2! There is so much moveset potential in that fight, alone!

I really don't like how I am talking about all this, might be bad, because of how off topic it is.

Well, at least we can all agree that Wolf and King K. Rool are both among the most possible candidates both in veteran and newcomer, and they deserve the spot.

 

[Logo12]

Grrrrrrr............

You people are pretty sad if you think King K. Rool has lower chances because of his movesets that are slightly similar to other characters. Especially when the very character you are advocating has an even less unique set of specials. King K. Rool's suggested up B is nothing like Link or DK's up B.
Just because I support Wolf does not mean I can spout bull and lies. Wolf is not a semi clone, but saying that K. Rool can't be in because he is not unique is sad because he would be more unique than Wolf, well, if he K. Rool is like this if he happens.

Not trying to judge his chances. Just want to see if there could be something more unique to the character.

I never said Wolf is a clone, he's a semi-clone, he is, specials are variants to Fox's. He's in the same situation as Roy but to a lesser degree (Roy joke get it. Degree like temperature. Roy has fire which is hot. nvm).

Yeah, except Roy is ~78% similar to Marth, and Wolf is ~23%. Not even close.

 

[smashboy12]

Wow. K Rool better not become Ridley 2.0.

 

[CaptainJimmBob]

Wow. K Rool better not become Ridley 2.0.

It already has. Except with Ridley we had 100% factual evidence he was in the game, and people argued because of this too big argument, and it was a mess.

The only thing against K. Rool is his lack of recent relevance. Everything else is a mess of arguments that go nowhere or mean nothing.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I would say not even a semi-clone. Aside from vaguely similar specials, Wolf shares no moves with fox.

Back air... I tried using quarter clone back a while ago but it never really caught on.
@ CaptainJimmBob K Rool is relevant now since the mii costume. The only thing against him is the Mii costume.

 

[Tino]

The clone argument again? Are you ****tin' me?
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I'll just get out of here and listen to some music on Spotify until this **** is over.

 

[AlphaSSB]

I never said Wolf is a clone

What I meant was regarding Wolf and anything 'clone-topic' related in general. Full clone, semi clone, "Semi-Half-Quarter Clone", etc.

(Roy joke get it. Degree like temperature. Roy has fire which is hot. nvm).

Well, 'Fire Wolf' doesn't have any flames, so I'll spare you there, haha.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Well, 'Fire Wolf' doesn't have any flames, so I'll spare you there, haha.

I said that earlier. Fire Wolf is kind of a stupid name.

 

[Mellos]

Well, Wolf will need a new BAir, since Falco has his now. Right?
I´m trying really hard to make Falco work in Smash 4, but he just needs a little more buffs. D:

I miss Wolf so much...

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Well, Wolf will need a new BAir, since Falco has his now. Right?
I´m trying really hard to make Falco work in Smash 4, but he just needs a little more buffs. D:

I miss Wolf so much...

How to make Falco work in Smash 4.
Step 1: Turn on your Wii U.
Step 2: Start up Smash Bros.
Step 3: Pick the Smash mode.
Step 4: Pick Falco.
Step 5: Give your controller to a Falco main.

 

[PurpleSoda]

How to make Falco work in Smash 4.
Step 1: Turn on your Wii U.
Step 2: Start up Smash Bros.
Step 3: Pick the Smash mode.
Step 4: Pick Falco.
Step 5: Give your controller to a Falco main.

You forgot Practice and pick Black Coloring(THAT LOOKED TOO GOOD IT WASNT EVEN FUNNY)

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

You forgot Practice and pick Black Coloring(THAT LOOKED TOO GOOD IT WASNT EVEN FUNNY)

Those two choices are optional.

 

[PurpleSoda]

Those two choices are optional.

Yeah,but I did both(NEVER LOOK BACK)

How do you all think Wolf's matchups will turn out? I just hope he can wreck Rosalina, Luigi, Sheik, and Shulk, personally.

WHY DO YOU HATE SHULK(ITS THE MONANDO ISNT IT)

Wow. K Rool better not become Ridley 2.0.

Ridley 2.0
What happened to 1.0 wait

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

WHY DO YOU HATE SHULK(ITS THE MONANDO ISNT IT)

My no arts Wiimote Shulk ftw!

 

[Jestar]

How do you all think Wolf's matchups will turn out? I just hope he can wreck Rosalina, Luigi, Sheik, and Shulk, personally.

If he stays mostly the same or gets some nice buffs, he'll probably be as good or even better than he was in Brawl.

Chain grabbing and recovery were his greatest weaknesses and both of those are either already fixed (removing chain grabbing, ledge trumping) or will 99% be fixed/buffed (acting out of side b, larger ledge grab sweetspot) and those fixes are going to help him a lot. So with all that said, I'd say he'll probably won't have too many bad match-ups. And if there is, they probably won't be super bad ones.
I'm 99% positive that he'll do better against&since chain grabbing is gone now. Especiallysince that was Wolf's worst match-up in Brawl due to that deadly down throw he had against him.&will also be interesting since chain grabbing was something they had against Wolf in Brawl which they don't have anymore.is another one since he isn't the dominate force he was in Brawl and Wolf did okay against him in Brawl compared to most of the cast.

Not sure what to think about Luigi, Sheik, or Shulk, but fsmash, ftilt, spaced bairs, the spike on the blaster and maybe uptilt could help againstsince those moves could help get rid of luma quickly. Down smash could work too thanks to its power and speed. Upsmash might be an option as well.

This is all theory and speculation and I could be wrong completely, but unless he gets some massive nerfs, I think it's safe to say he'll be at least mid/upper mid tier.

But at the end of the day, if he's as fun, or even more fun than he was in Brawl, I'll be happy.

And if all else fails, there's always the chance of potential buffs via patches if necessary.