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Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

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Do you all want me to make a SSB5 thread,becuase this is a WOLF thread,not a Smash 5 thread,not the Zelda social
OR A FREAKING CUT LIST

So I'll say ALL THE SM4SH CHARACTERS+WOLF AND IC's will return

:4mario::LETS CUT OUR MASCOT AND MAKE HIS AMIIBO PETCO EXCLUSIVE,UNICORN
:4luigi::LETS CUT HIS BROTHER TOO,CABELLA'S EXCLUSIVE MEGA,ULTRA RARE UNICORN
:4peach::FOR ARMADA
:4bowser::FOR DJ NINTENDO
:4bowserjr::BOWSER'S SON
:rosalina::OP,HIGH IN TIER LISTS,NERF RECOVERY
:4pikachu::#DOWNB2GOOD
:4lucario::THE AURA IS WITH SSB5
:4mewtwo::THE DBZ POKEMON SMASH FANART HAS BEEN BORN
:4charizard::FLEW INTO THE SCENE,CAN'T LEARN FLY
:4jigglypuff::THE HIGH KING SHALL RULE THE S RANK THRONE
:4kirby::SAKURAI'S VIRTUAL SON
:4metaknight::FACE REVEAL @1,000,000 SUBSCRIBERS
:4dedede::AKWARD PENGUIN
:4ness:: PK FIRE SPAM MODE ACTIVATE!!!!!1!!!1!
:4lucas::ICE CREAM HAIR
:4link::LONK
:4zelda::ZOLDO
:4sheik::SHEK
:4tlink::TON LONK
:4ganondorf::KING OF DISRESPECT
:4falcon::KNEE OF JUSTICE
:4drmario::DON'T DO DRUGS
:4fox::STAIR FAX
:4falco::BIRDMAN THE DESTROYER
:wolf::#FreeWolf
:4dk::EXPANDING ( ‾ʖ̫‾)
:4diddy::HOO HAH
:4marth::SHIELD BREAKER
:4myfriends::FOR HIS FRIENDS
:4robinm::RED ROBIN YUM!!!
:4lucina::LADY MARTH
:4feroy::OUR BOY
:popo::NX
:4pit::CHICKEN NOICES
:4palutena::LENNY FACES INTENSIFY
:4darkpit::NAIRO'S PICK
:4duckhunt::LAUGHS AT YOUR FAILURE
:4rob::BAZOOKA INCLUDED
:4gaw:: PAPER CUTS
:4littlemac::NOT AN AIR FIGHTER
:4samus::SPAMMY MCSPAMMERSPAM
:4zss::ZERO SKILL SPAMUS
:4sonic::SANIC SPED
:4shulk::REALLY FEELING IT
:4olimar::THE OTHER CAPTAIN
:4wario::THE THIRD MARIO BROTHER?
:4villager::GAVE YOU THE AXE
:4pacman::HE EATS GHOSTS,AND SOULS:skull:
:4megaman::SUPER FIGHTING ROBOT,MEGAMAN!!!!,FIGHTING TO SAVE THE WORLD
:4mii::YOU'RE A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER
:4yoshi::GYARADOS AS A MARIO CHARACTER

EDIT 1:ADDED YOSHI
EDIT 2:CHANGED THE GREEN TO LOOK MORE COOLER :shades:
 
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Has anyone heard from @[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer] lately? He hasn't posted anything here in days.
 

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If he's on vacation, then I'm pretty sure he's enjoying himself. I could use a vacation myself.
 

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Do you all want me to make a SSB5 thread,becuase this is a WOLF thread,not a Smash 5 thread,not Rosalina social,
OR A FREAKING CUT LIST

So I'll say ALL THE SM4SH CHARACTERS+WOLF AND IC's will return

:4mario::LETS CUT OUR MASCOT AND MAKE HIS AMIIBO PETCO EXCLUSIVE,UNICORN
:4luigi::LETS CUT HIS BROTHER TOO,CABELLA'S EXCLUSIVE MEGA,ULTRA RARE UNICORN
:4peach::FOR ARMADA
:4bowser::FOR DJ NINTENDO
:4bowserjr::BOWSER'S SON
:rosalina::OP,HIGH IN TIER LISTS,NERF RECOVERY
:4pikachu::#DOWNB2GOOD
:4lucario::THE AURA IS WITH SSB5
:4mewtwo::THE DBZ POKEMON SMASH FANART HAS BEEN BORN
:4charizard::FLEW INTO THE SCENE,CAN'T LEARN FLY
:4jigglypuff::THE HIGH KING SHALL RULE THE S RANK THRONE
:4kirby::SAKURAI'S VIRTUAL SON
:4metaknight::FACE REVEAL @1,000,000 SUBSCRIBERS
:4dedede::AKWARD PENGUIN
:4ness:: PK FIRE SPAM MODE ACTIVATE!!!!!1!!!1!
:4lucas::ICE CREAM HAIR
:4link::LONK
:4zelda::ZOLDO
:4sheik::SHEK
:4tlink::TON LONK
:4ganondorf::KING OF DISRESPECT
:4falcon::KNEE OF JUSTICE
:4drmario::DON'T DO DRUGS
:4fox::STAIR FAX
:4falco::BIRDMAN THE DESTROYER
:wolf::#FreeWolf
:4dk::EXPANDING
:4diddy::HOO HAH
:4marth::SHIELD BREAKER
:4myfriends::FOR HIS FRIENDS
:4robinm::RED ROBIN YUM!!!
:4lucina::LADY MARTH
:4feroy::OUR BOY
:popo::NX
:4pit::CHICKEN NOICES
:4palutena::LENNY FACES INTENSIFY
:4darkpit::NAIRO'S PICK
:4duckhunt::LAUGHS AT YOUR FAILURE
:4rob::BAZOOKA INCLUDED
:4gaw:: PAPER CUTS
:4littlemac::NOT AN AIR FIGHTER
:4samus::SPAMMY MCSPAMMERSPAM
:4zss::ZERO SKILL SPAMUS
:4sonic::SANIC SPED
:4shulk::REALLY FEELING IT
:4olimar::THE OTHER CAPTAIN
:4wario::THE THIRD MARIO BROTHER?
:4villager::GAVE YOU THE AXE
:4pacman::HE EATS GHOSTS,AND SOULS:skull:
:4megaman::SUPER FIGHTING ROBOT,MEGAMAN!!!!,FIGHTING TO SAVE THE WORLD
:4mii::YOU'RE A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER
EDIT::4yoshi::GYARADOS AS A MARIO CHARACTER
Where did you get the "Rosalina social" from? Am I missing something?

And what's there to talk about? We pretty much already discussed all Wolf errythang here so there isn't really anything else to say.
 
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Furret24

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I can't wait for next month (Smash-wise). The smash community will finally have something to talk about.
 

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In my opinion Smash 5 could be a reboot game without Sakurai, or well Sakurai with less influence on the game, like an adviser.

Could be more like an arcade style-game.

Could be similar to KOF XIII, MvC3 after MvC2, and Mortal Kombat 9 after Armaggedon; with more elaborated and designed characters with a smaller number, especially with "filling characters", could be very difficult to develop a huge number of characters, similar to the present, in terms of memory and costs, I think that increasingly is coming to increasingly more difficult to reach top.

It would be nice in a way that will maintain the current game in force while is promoted Smash 5 as an alternative to Smash 4, not being a substitute as has happened before.


NUMBER OF CHARACTERS: MIN 25 - MAX 40 (It isn't Dragon Ball game :troll:)
ESRB: T

My predicions:
  1. ORIGINAL 12 :dk64::falcon64::jigglypuff64::kirby64::fox64::link64::luigi64::mario64::ness64::pikachu64::samus64::yoshi64:- YES
  2. :4shulk: -YES
  3. :4bowserjr:-CUT, cameo
  4. :4charizard:-MAYBE
  5. :4darkpit:-MAYBE
  6. :4dedede:-CUT, cameo
  7. :4drmario:- ALT MARIO or Full character
  8. :4duckhunt:-MAYBE
  9. :4greninja:-CUT
  10. :4myfriends:-YES or CUT if he hasn't new games
    He could be the SMASH Sol Badguy or Kyo Kusanagi
  11. :4lucario:-CUT, cameo
  12. :4lucas:or :4ness:
  13. :4lucina:-CUT by a new FE LORD
  14. :4marth:-YES
  15. :4megaman:-CUT
  16. :4metaknight:-YES
  17. :4mewtwo:-MAYBE
  18. :4mii::4miif:-MAYBE
  19. :4olimar::4alph:-MAYBE, if we have PIKMIN 4
  20. :4palutena:-YES
  21. :4pacman:-MAYBE if NAMCO developes the game, or HEIHACHI as a TEKKEN rep
  22. :4rob:-MAYBE
  23. :4robinm::4robinf: - CUT by a new FE AVATAR
  24. :rosalina:-YES
  25. :4feroy:-YES if he have a remake of FE6, we need more ph1r3 in FE xD
    He could be the SMASH Sol Badguy or Kyo Kusanagi
  26. :4ryu:-YES
  27. :4sonic:-MAYBE
  28. :4tlink:-CUT or LINK ALT
  29. :4villager::4villagerf:-CUT
  30. :4wiifit:-CUT
  31. :4zelda:-YES
  32. :snake:-MAYBE
  33. :wolf:-YES
  34. :popo:-CUT, cameo
  35. OTHER SMASH 4 CHARACTERS -YES
  36. OTHER CUT 1rt-P VETERANS :pichumelee::younglinkmelee::pt::squirtle::ivysaur: - CUT AGAIN xD
 
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themasterofcircuits

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If he's on vacation, then I'm pretty sure he's enjoying himself. I could use a vacation myself.
Really? I need to get off vacation soon or my mind will turn to mush :/

I can't wait for next month (Smash-wise). The smash community will finally have something to talk about.
Me too. I hope tournament mode will be here within the next few weeks.
 

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In my opinion Smash 5 could be a reboot game without Sakurai, or well Sakurai with less influence on the game, like an adviser.

Could be similar to KOF XIII, MvC3 after MvC2, and Mortal Kombat 9 after Armaggedon; with more elaborated and designed characters with a smaller number, especially with "filling characters", could be very difficult to develop a huge number of characters, similar to the present, in terms of memory and costs, I think that increasingly is coming to increasingly more difficult to reach top.

It would be nice in a way that will maintain the current game in force while is promoted Smash 5 as an alternative to Smash 4, not being a substitute as has happened before.


NUMBER OF CHARACTERS: MIN 25 - MAX 40 (It isn't Dragon Ball game :troll:)
ESRB: T

My predicions:
  1. ORIGINAL 12 :dk64::falcon64::jigglypuff64::kirby64::fox64::link64::luigi64::mario64::ness64::pikachu64::samus64::yoshi64:- YES
  2. :4shulk: -YES
  3. :4bowserjr:-CUT, cameo
  4. :4charizard:-MAYBE
  5. :4darkpit:-MAYBE
  6. :4dedede:-CUT, cameo
  7. :4drmario:- ALT MARIO or Full character
  8. :4duckhunt:-MAYBE
  9. :4greninja:-CUT
  10. :4myfriends:-YES or CUT if he hasn't new games
    He could be the SMASH Sol Badguy or Kyo Kusanagi
  11. :4lucario:-CUT, cameo
  12. :4lucas:or :4ness:
  13. :4lucina:-CUT by a new FE LORD
  14. :4marth:-YES
  15. :4megaman:-CUT
  16. :4metaknight:-YES
  17. :4mewtwo:-MAYBE
  18. :4mii::4miif:-MAYBE
  19. :4olimar::4alph:-MAYBE, if we have PIKMIN 4
  20. :4palutena:-YES
  21. :4pacman:-MAYBE if NAMCO developes the game, or HEIHACHI or a TEKKEN rep
  22. :4rob:-MAYBE
  23. :4robinm::4robinf: - CUT by a new FE AVATAR
  24. :rosalina:-YES
  25. :4feroy:-YES if he have a remake of FE6, we need more ph1r3 in FE xD
    He could be the SMASH Sol Badguy or Kyo Kusanagi
  26. :4ryu:-YES
  27. :4sonic:-MAYBE
  28. :4tlink:-CUT or LINK ALT
  29. :4villager::4villagerf:-CUT
  30. :4wiifit:-CUT
  31. :4zelda:-YES
  32. :snake:-MAYBE
  33. :wolf:-YES
  34. :popo:-CUT, cameo
  35. OTHER SMASH 4 CHARACTERS -YES
  36. OTHER CUT 1rt-P VETERANS :pichumelee::younglinkmelee::pt::squirtle::ivysaur: - CUT AGAIN xD
I'm pretty sure they won't do this since Smash isn't a typical fighting game. There is no story so there isn't really a reason for any character to be cut besides time restrictions.
 

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@ POKEMANSPIKA POKEMANSPIKA
If Sakurai will return for Smash 5 could be similar to Smash 4 plus the Adventure Mode and graphics for Brawl.
With :popo: and :olimar: with 6 pikmin.

With similar number of confirmed characters (approximately 50) and cut characters :4lucina::4tlink::4wiifit::4alph::4robinm::4greninja::4megaman::linkmelee::pichumelee::pt::snake::4ryu:
 
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I'm pretty sure they won't do this since Smash isn't a typical fighting game. There is no story so there isn't really a reason for any character to be cut besides time restrictions.
What he said. You see the backlash for just a couple of cut characters, even ones like Ice Climbers would be the most obscure characters ever if they hadn't already been in Melee and Brawl. I don't see why you'd arbitrarily cut half the roster for s**ts and giggles because other games do it. The outrage would be immense. And how can you elaborate and design the characters better when they use simplistic button inputs anyway as per Smash design? That makes no sense.

Smash games have a tendency to be timeless unless a better version comes out. There's still a very dedicated player base to Melee and Project M even if Smash 4 completely destroys them both with number of characters. So having a Smash 5 with only half the roster intact would just make the vast majority stick with Smash 4.
 

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Is it ok is if I ask the noobiest (is this even a word?) ever?

How do I add spoiler tabs to my posts?
 

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Is it ok is if I ask the noobiest (is this even a word?) ever?

How do I add spoiler tabs to my posts?
You add {spoiler} {/spoiler} but with [ and ] instead of { and }, you can also do {spoiler=something} to add a title to the spoiler box, hope this helps.
Edit::4sonic: I'm too slow.... :(
 
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Thanks.
 

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In my opinion Smash 5 could be a reboot game without Sakurai, or well Sakurai with less influence on the game, like an adviser.

Could be more like an arcade style-game.

Could be similar to KOF XIII, MvC3 after MvC2, and Mortal Kombat 9 after Armaggedon; with more elaborated and designed characters with a smaller number, especially with "filling characters", could be very difficult to develop a huge number of characters, similar to the present, in terms of memory and costs, I think that increasingly is coming to increasingly more difficult to reach top.

It would be nice in a way that will maintain the current game in force while is promoted Smash 5 as an alternative to Smash 4, not being a substitute as has happened before.


NUMBER OF CHARACTERS: MIN 25 - MAX 40 (It isn't Dragon Ball game :troll:)
ESRB: T

My predicions:
  1. ORIGINAL 12 :dk64::falcon64::jigglypuff64::kirby64::fox64::link64::luigi64::mario64::ness64::pikachu64::samus64::yoshi64:- YES
  2. :4shulk: -YES
  3. :4bowserjr:-CUT, cameo
  4. :4charizard:-MAYBE
  5. :4darkpit:-MAYBE
  6. :4dedede:-CUT, cameo
  7. :4drmario:- ALT MARIO or Full character
  8. :4duckhunt:-MAYBE
  9. :4greninja:-CUT
  10. :4myfriends:-YES or CUT if he hasn't new games
    He could be the SMASH Sol Badguy or Kyo Kusanagi
  11. :4lucario:-CUT, cameo
  12. :4lucas:or :4ness:
  13. :4lucina:-CUT by a new FE LORD
  14. :4marth:-YES
  15. :4megaman:-CUT
  16. :4metaknight:-YES
  17. :4mewtwo:-MAYBE
  18. :4mii::4miif:-MAYBE
  19. :4olimar::4alph:-MAYBE, if we have PIKMIN 4
  20. :4palutena:-YES
  21. :4pacman:-MAYBE if NAMCO developes the game, or HEIHACHI as a TEKKEN rep
  22. :4rob:-MAYBE
  23. :4robinm::4robinf: - CUT by a new FE AVATAR
  24. :rosalina:-YES
  25. :4feroy:-YES if he have a remake of FE6, we need more ph1r3 in FE xD
    He could be the SMASH Sol Badguy or Kyo Kusanagi
  26. :4ryu:-YES
  27. :4sonic:-MAYBE
  28. :4tlink:-CUT or LINK ALT
  29. :4villager::4villagerf:-CUT
  30. :4wiifit:-CUT
  31. :4zelda:-YES
  32. :snake:-MAYBE
  33. :wolf:-YES
  34. :popo:-CUT, cameo
  35. OTHER SMASH 4 CHARACTERS -YES
  36. OTHER CUT 1rt-P VETERANS :pichumelee::younglinkmelee::pt::squirtle::ivysaur: - CUT AGAIN xD
Hoo boy, keep Shulk, but cut King Dedede and make Charizard and Mewtwo, two of the most iconic characters Nintendo has, maybes?
 

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Hoo boy, keep Shulk, but cut King Dedede and make Charizard and Mewtwo, two of the most iconic characters Nintendo has, maybes?
Shulk has to stay, tho. He made the rest of the world realize how great of a game Xenoblade is and now it's on its way to becoming a staple IP for Nintendo.

Tho DDD won't be cut, because Sakubias. I feel Mewtwo was more hyped before he actually arrived so idk. As for Charizard, meh.
 

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Shulk has to stay, tho. He made the rest of the world realize how great of a game Xenoblade is and now it's on its way to becoming a staple IP for Nintendo.

Tho DDD won't be cut, because Sakubias. I feel Mewtwo was more hyped before he actually arrived so idk. As for Charizard, meh.
None of them will be cut. Shulk is the Marth of Xenoblade. Dedede won't be cut because he's an iconic character and important to Nintendo and Kirby, not because of Sakurai bias. Mewtwo and Charizard are two of the most popular Pokemon ever so they won't be cut. Also cutting Mewtwo AGAIN after the fans clamored for him back in Smash 4 is such a stupid idea. I'd just play Smash 4 if Smash 5 was that stupid.
 
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My 49% win rate has never felt so horrible.

Also, buffs, Rosalina?
Personally, I think she's fine as is. Outside of maybe Luma. The game should be balanced through buffs, like SD Remix did to Melee.



Also, yes. This thread did turn into the K. Rool thread for a brief moment.
your signature is AWSEOME! (Mr. Game & Watch is one of my favourite characters ever!)
 

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Shulk has to stay, tho. He made the rest of the world realize how great of a game Xenoblade is and now it's on its way to becoming a staple IP for Nintendo.

Tho DDD won't be cut, because Sakubias. I feel Mewtwo was more hyped before he actually arrived so idk. As for Charizard, meh.
REALLY glad you two aren't in charge of any rosters.
 
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I don't get why people think Greninja will be cut, he's easily the most popular pokemon of his generation and will most likely get a Mega in the future as he's a starter. The only negative feedback about Greninja was "Not Gen I/Mewtwo" iirc
I think the only reason he might get cut is time constraints, if he ends up being low priority in next Smash.
 

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I don't get why people think Greninja will be cut, he's easily the most popular pokemon of his generation and will most likely get a Mega in the future as he's a starter. The only negative feedback about Greninja was "Not Gen I/Mewtwo" iirc
Not every gen gets its chance tho. The gen 3 and 5 got no representation at all. We don't exactly know what will happen to Greninja, but we know Mewtwo, Lucario, Charizard, and Pikachu have recurring appearances in the animes and movies, and has been made relevant in the current generation, so we can be confident about their future inclusion.

Just saying his chance might be a bit lower than others, not because of their popularity (They're as popular, if not more popular, ofc). but their relevance and stuff. Or as @ Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma said, "lower priority". Like how Wolf got cut.
 

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Not every gen gets its chance tho. The gen 3 and 5 got no representation at all. We don't exactly know what will happen to Greninja, but we know Mewtwo, Lucario, Charizard, and Pikachu have recurring appearances in the animes and movies, and has been made relevant in the current generation, so we can be confident about their future inclusion.

Just saying his chance might be a bit lower than others, not because of their popularity (They're as popular, if not more popular, ofc). but their relevance and stuff. Or as @ Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma said, "lower priority". Like how Wolf got cut.
That's because there were newer gens. Mewtwo was never intended to be cut aswell, it's a reason why I'm certain Greninja's coming back next game
 

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I think the only reason he might get cut is time constraints, if he ends up being low priority in next Smash.
Pokemon is pretty much right behind Mario in terms of appeal and popularity, they would get more priority so hard to see anyone being cut without it being a similar situation to Pokemon Trainer and Charizard.
 
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Pokemon is pretty much right behind Mario in terms of appeal and popularity, they would get more priority so hard to see anyone being cut without it being a similar situation to Pokemon Trainer and Charizard.
Yeah, I don't really think that any of the Pokemon will be cut in next Smash (We'll most likely get Smash 4 Pokemon + 7th/8th Gen Pokemon imo), but if some Pokemon is going to be low priority (like Jigglypuff and Mewtwo in Brawl, and possibly Mewtwo in this game if he was planned in the base game), it'll most likely be Greninja, unless he stays relevant and/or becomes an icon like Lucario.
 

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Ok another subject change ok then


Cuts

:4darkpit::4lucina::4drmario:

And these depend on if they work with nintendo again

:4pacman::4megaman::4ryu:


(Just to note :4sonic: has immunity for kick, since he made it twice and its evidence that sega will let sonic in the series now.)

(But its still they're call for smash 5.)


Everyone else im having a really hard time seeing them getting kicked. Especially because theres a DLC safety net now.

( oh and :popo::wolf: come back for smash five)
(Wolf can still be dlc for smash 4.)
 
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Ok another subject change ok then


Cuts

:4darkpit::4lucina::4drmario::4ryu:

And these depend on if they work with nintendo again

:4pacman::4megaman:


(Just to note :4sonic: has immunity for kick, since he made it twice and its evidence that sega will let sonic in the series now.)

(But its still they're call for smash 5.)


Everyone else im having a really hard time seeing them getting kicked

( oh and :popo::wolf: come back for smash five)
(Wolf can still be dlc for smash 4.)
Ryu gets cut while Mega Man returns if Capcom is willing to work with Nintendo again? The ****?!
 

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Where did you get the "Rosalina social" from? Am I missing something?

And what's there to talk about? We pretty much already discussed all Wolf errythang here so there isn't really anything else to say.
Eh,I'll edit it to Zelda thread

And I'm happy that you all got a laugh :)
 
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