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I've seen some threads around saying that Lucina is just for casual players while Marth is for competitive. I choose to not believe this. What do you think?
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I'm not trying to start a riot or anything I promise just from looking at threads and a lot of people say you can't play competitively with her is all. I'm just seeing what everyone else thinks.I will be watching this thread attentively. Again, I do not want this to devolve into a Marth vs. Lucina debate that leads to flame wars. If you need to know the differences between Marth and Lucina, the first thread pinned to our character board highlights that information. @ OldmanKarp basically answers your question. Every character can be played competitively as long as you are dedicated to the character.
EDIT: I will change the title of the thread to relay your question objectively.
I know that's not your intention, don't worry about it However, threads like these have spiraled out of control before which is why I made the above message. Just to make it clear to others as to not have that occur once again.I'm not trying to start a riot or anything I promise just from looking at threads and a lot of people say you can't play competitively with her is all. I'm just seeing what everyone else thinks.
Oh will do! Just a simple discussion.I know that's not your intention, don't worry about it However, threads like these have spiraled out of control before which is why I made the above message. Just to make it clear to others as to not have that occur once again.
We got a guy named Eshura up in CO who's always top 3 or 1st in SM4SH with Lucina-only. He's bound to travel at some point.I don´t care if it´s marth or lucina, I´d just like to see someone get really good and win a big tournament with one of them
Lol FG is garbage. 65% of people online suck, you will rarely ever come across anyone even close to tournament viable there, the only stage used is FD and Omegas, and there can be occasional lag. Not trying to disregard your point, but if you're trying to make a point that she's good, For Glory mode is a terrible reference and you're gonna need to find a better piece of evidence to. Try using her in a tournament scene or on SmashLadder.com, then we'll talkI definitely think she is, I've won constantly on FG with her. People just don't see her potential because cocky marth player say "No Tippers". Not saying all Marth players are stuck and I'm not trying to start a war just stating that she is very useful.
I actually really like your answer. It makes sense and as long as no one starts a flame war between the two we're fine.A mod is gonna come in and break up this discussion anyways, but I'll bite:
'I mean, if you're good at these characters, you're hitting primarily only tippers anyway'
No, you're not. I have watched a ton of marth footage, from regular videos posted on the boards to Mr E vids on youtube, and tippers aren't all that common. They happen, but not enough to regard marth as 'better at everything'. In a perfect world marth and lucina are hitting people at the tip of their blade, but with the way the current meta works they are simply outgunned in the neutral game, and thus characters like sheik, diddy, sonic etc are gonna be running circles around them that you don't have the time or options to perfectly space away from them. The thing that Marth and Lucina excel at are their grab game and off-stage pressure/gimps. They both basically have the same combo's out of grab, so there's no difference there. Then you have the off-stage game. Marth and Lucina have such a wide range of space that they can cover off-stage that it's absolutely crucial to play frame perfect off-stage in your edgeguards. A lot of times you're going to end up hitting people with non-tippers in order to hit them as soon as possible before recovering, and with that in mind you want the hitbox to have as much base knockback as possible so that they are forced into a much worse recovery position.
There can be arguments made left and right for who is actually better in the end, but enough of this 'marth is better in every way, so why play lucina' crap. Maybe in a perfect world, but this isn't one.
I said that'd apply if we were to say they were competitive. Unfortunately, you just clearly outlined why they are not, as far as our current knowledge is concerned. Sheik, Diddy, and Sonic, as well as various other high tier characters with infinitely better mobility outpace them so bad that they can't do their job as spacers. So currently, neither Marth or Lucina are competitive. The advantage of Marth still exists, but since both characters are currently limited in competitive strength, it does not shine through. That's not even a swipe at the players or a backhanded, smarmy remark. Its just the truth. I recently watched Zero clear through nearly a dozen solid Marth/Lucy players on stream challenging him and could see visibly as both characters struggled to even hope to keep characters like Falcon, Diddy, or Sheik spaced. You're right; not a perfect world at all. An argument can be made for neither character.A mod is gonna come in and break up this discussion anyways, but I'll bite:
'I mean, if you're good at these characters, you're hitting primarily only tippers anyway'
No, you're not. I have watched a ton of marth footage, from regular videos posted on the boards to Mr E vids on youtube, and tippers aren't all that common. They happen, but not enough to regard marth as 'better at everything'. In a perfect world marth and lucina are hitting people at the tip of their blade, but with the way the current meta works they are simply outgunned in the neutral game, and thus characters like sheik, diddy, sonic etc are gonna be running circles around them that you don't have the time or options to perfectly space away from them. The thing that Marth and Lucina excel at are their grab game and off-stage pressure/gimps. They both basically have the same combo's out of grab, so there's no difference there. Then you have the off-stage game. Marth and Lucina have such a wide range of space that they can cover off-stage that it's absolutely crucial to play frame perfect off-stage in your edgeguards. A lot of times you're going to end up hitting people with non-tippers in order to hit them as soon as possible before recovering, and with that in mind you want the hitbox to have as much base knockback as possible so that they are forced into a much worse recovery position.
There can be arguments made left and right for who is actually better in the end, but enough of this 'marth is better in every way, so why play lucina' crap. Maybe in a perfect world, but this isn't one.
I wouldn't know entirely because I'm seldom on the forums. Though honestly, it's still the same issue, we aren't working hard enough. And when I say this, I'm not excluding myself.This is gonna be shots fired but...Marth boards has been trying since day one.
Lucina forums seem too concerned with fanfics and FE role-playing.
I would bet anything that I have more passion and drive for developing Marth competitively then the entire Lucina forums has for her with all it's posters combined.
The Lucina forums themselves imo is the crux of the issue.