Can anybody explain to me, WHY AM I SEEING COMPLETELY STUPID CHARACTER IDEAS?

[ClarkJables]

hey jackal did you check out the alice thread yet

 

[Falco&Victory]

I'm not saying BF is hopeless, I just can't imagine him being in Brawl. He's just too... different. Again, everyone in Smash so far has had some fighting skill, but not BF. He just jumps on people.(don't bringup Mario, he can pound, spin, shoot fireballs, etc)

 

[Red_Maniac]

Fox and Captain Falcon?

 

[Falco&Victory]

Starfox adventures, star fox assualt(kind of)

He's a bounty hunter, he has to have some skill. Not to mention he's RIPPED

 

[the grim lizard]

This is explaining why characters have a shot, and not no shot...

Balloon Fighter - First, let me start off by saying that Sakurai loves retro characters. Expect to see a few of these in Brawl in addition to Pit. BF was planned for Melee, and indeed was in the Beta version of the game. Why was he taken out? The development team needed more time, and they wanted to devote that time to a character who would be even more unique to the roster: The ICs. It's likely they still have the character model and part of the moveset. Seeing how Sakurai wanted him in originally anyway, it's likely he will be. Moveset? There are some good ones in the BF thread.

Toad - While I don't see this one happening, he has a chance. He is part of the stock 4 from the Mushroom Kingdom: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Toad (all appearing in SMB2). He's a veteran; he's been around a long time. He is definitely important to the series. Popularity is iffy, but where his chances really fall are his uniquness in general. The development team can do anything to any character because they're that good, but the question is whether they think Toad is worth the effort.

Mister Resseti - It is still in question whether or not AC will have a rep. Many people thought Tom Nook, but he's out of the question, now. Resetti is the only other personality to speak of. Although, it was the AC human who actually made the polls three times. He has a chance, albeit a very low one. Plus, Sakurai seemed to already like Muddy Mole a lot.

Captain Olimar - OK, this is a big one; so I'll just hit the highlights: He is the main character of a brand-new series since Melee came out. You can't give him grief about two games because he's new. They are planning on making a Pikmin 3 for the Wii. He was also on the polls 3 times. The biggest factor of all, though, is that Olimar stands to be the most unique character in Smash. He would obviously use Pikmin to fight, and this opens the door to lots of possibilities. Sure it would be a challenge, but Sakurai himself said that he likes characters who excite him.

Mii - Another one I don't think will happen but it's possible. They've been showing up everywhere these days, and Nintendo is really pushing them a lot. They could allow for some customization, but they run into some issues here. I'd say chances are low, but it's not totally unreasonable that you might see this on your character screen come December.

Pacman - Mascot of Namco, who has been really buddy-buddy with Nintendo lately. Check out the Pacman-Mario racing thing. It would be tough to do, sure, but again, it's possible. What hurts Pman is his ranking compared to other likely 3rd parties, and Sakurai said he didn't want to have more than 3 of these.

Geno - Another 3rd party, but Sakurai could likely disregard this as he would be in the Mushroom Kingdom. He was on the polls four times, along with Ridley, Ike, and Diddy Kong. He's immensely popular, mostly due to Super Mario RPG. Sakurai may or may not likely him, but he seems pretty likely.

Ray01 - This probably won't happen as it is sort of an odd character, and the franchise isn't the most popular, but it's all about if this character excites Sakurai. It could happen, but likely not.

Skull Kid - Probably not, but he's had 3 apperances in Zelda games. He was your friend in OoT, the main enemy in MM, and a little piece of...guy who was the guardian of the Master Sword in TP. Seeing as how Zelda doesn't have very many likely memorable characters to choose from, he has a chance. Zelda will likely have at least 5 reps; so he is possible, although WW Link and Vaati seem more likely.

Dark Samus - Sakurai said he wanted more Metroid rep, and there aren't many to choose from. Issues DS has to face: Ridley as a far more likely inclusion and having a physique and name similar to the series' heroine. Do not think she wouldn't be completely unique though. She'd play far different from most characters, using mostly Phazon attacks. Basically it comes down to this: If Metroid has 2 reps (not including Zamus), DS is out; if Metroid has 3 reps. (not Zamus), DS will be playable.

Waluigi - I really don't think this guy has a chance either as he hasn't proven himself at all, never appearing outside a party game. He's not that popular, and he doesn't have that much potential as a playable character. He doesn't bring anything unique either. Sakurai could simply include him because he thinks he "should." But I really don't see it happening.

*whew* I'm worn. Anymore? I hope that helps.

 

[flicker]

G&W has fighting skill...

haha good one

 

[Jackal478]

hey jackal did you check out the alice thread yet

yes,

she is more characteristic than the origional, but Alice doesn't look, well threatening.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Thank you Grim Lizard. That clarified a lot. Balloon fighter and Olimar would make great additions, but it would certainly be a challenge, seeing as the game is no longer under developement. It is already in the debugging process. I see them more as AT's though, such as Samurai Goroh. Let's face it , Goroh was on the top of the F-Zero villain list, but now....

Hey, Grim, who made your sig? Did you do it?

 

[Joe Soup]

Here's an idea I don't like: a whole thread about bashing characters we might rather prefer not to be in Brawl. It's a thread just waiting to become a hotspot for people who don't support their theories / beliefs, and who like to talk about how cool they are and how everybody else is a stupid kid.

Dammit--too late.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Um, Joe, I'm not sure you noticed the last 2 pages of rational discussion. You missed out on quite a lot.

 

[the grim lizard]

Thank you Grim Lizard. That clarified a lot. Balloon fighter and Olimar would make great additions, but it would certainly be a challenge, seeing as the game is no longer under developement. It is already in the debugging process. I see them more as AT's though, such as Samurai Goroh. Let's face it , Goroh was on the top of the F-Zero villain list, but now....

Hey, Grim, who made your sig? Did you do it?

Yeah, Goroh freaked a lot of people out. But, now that we've gotten more, I think it helps put things into perspective. Goroh seemed likely because of Falcon. But, that was the main (really the only) reason. I could still see an F-Zero rep getting in. Basically, I think either Black Shadow (aka lame Batman ripoff) being in or Falcon will fly solo.

I think the reason why Goroh is AT is because Sakurai didn't see anything particularly interesting for him to offer. I mean, look at his AT. He runs around and slashes his sword. I think he decided he'd rather not have just another sword-wielder. But, he went back and included him as AT because of popularity. Look at the others: Hammer Bros. were on the polls and wanted, but obviously not good candidates; so they're ATs. Dr. Wright was just from some old game, not particuarly wanted. Knuckle Joe was wanted by some, but more wanted Dedede and Meta Knight instead. Basically, characters who get ATed either are not popular enough or are not interesting enough to make a full-fledged PC. I don't see Olimar getting ATed because he reps an important new series, he's unique and interesting, and he's popular, as he was tied for third on the character polls.

Yeah, I made it.

 

[tirkaro]

here is a picture of what balloon fighter could look like if you just gave him a chance. btw i did not draw this

wow. before I didn't want baloon fighter in brawl, but.....that actually looks pretty darn cool. it's about time BF got a redesign anyway. I now just want him in brawl to see what redesign he'll get.

and LOL at dain's narutard punching bag.

I see them more as AT's though, such as Samurai Goroh. Let's face it , Goroh was on the top of the F-Zero villain list, but now....

just because certain major characters became AT's/pokeballs, that doesn't mean all major characters will. Goroh just so happened to not be included. sakurai cant really stuff in every character in the world. plus, what grim said as well. he doesn't really bring anything new to the table.

 

[Jackal478]

Here's an idea I don't like: a whole thread about bashing characters we might rather prefer not to be in Brawl. It's a thread just waiting to become a hotspot for people who don't support their theories / beliefs, and who like to talk about how cool they are and how everybody else is a stupid kid.

Dammit--too late.

and we aren't very fond of a uptight flamer.

we're being rational vagrant just angered as a bit.

 

[the grim lizard]

Here's an idea I don't like: a whole thread about bashing characters we might rather prefer not to be in Brawl. It's a thread just waiting to become a hotspot for people who don't support their theories / beliefs, and who like to talk about how cool they are and how everybody else is a stupid kid.

Dammit--too late.

lol, yeah I was about to say that you're too late...

 

[Joe Soup]

Lol.....sorry. Completely disregard my post.

Somehow, I clicked on this thread, and it stuck me on like page 10, where Vagrant Wade was being a f*g.

Back to the discussion, lol.

 

[vesperview]

I actually think another Earthbound character should be in the game, but I'm guessing Poo is second in line, plus I think this character suggestions are really fun to read and don't hurt anyone so they might as well keep 'em coming...

 

[Jackal478]

Yeah that's a pretty awesome design for BF

 

[Falco&Victory]

After going back and looking at that redesign, I think I've changed my mind. BF has great possibilites. Still need conivincing on Olimar though. I wouldn't mind seeing a moveset made for him by someone though.

Grim.... telll me... WHAT DOES MY SIG NEED lol

 

[Jackal478]

Lol.....sorry. Completely disregard my post.

Somehow, I clicked on this thread, and it stuck me on like page 10, where Vagrant Wade was being a f*g.

Back to the discussion, lol.

it's okay. dude

@vesper: I know Poo'd be cool. but i'd bust out laughing every time i faced him.

i couldnt stand that

 

[the grim lizard]

After going back and looking at that redesign, I think I've changed my mind. BF has great possibilites. Still need conivincing on Olimar though. I wouldn't mind seeing a moveset made for him by someone though.

Grim.... telll me... WHAT DOES MY SIG NEED lol

Your sig needs more Ridley in it.

I'd love to give you a moveset for Olimar, but I'm still working on. The main issue I've found is that there is a surplus of possibilities. It's hard to decide the best one. Is your main reservation his moveset or just his likelihood in general?

 

[Falco&Victory]

Liklihood, without a doubt. His moveset would itrigue me,it's just his chances that are putting me on edge.

I wouldn't like his moveset to use Pikmin too much, I would like to see more fighting skill on his end.

 

[ClarkJables]

i'm glad that bf drawing i pulled up convinced so many people

 

[Jackal478]

i'm glad that bf drawing i pulled up convinced so many people

lol, it didnt convince me, but i think he looks pretty awesome there

 

[ClarkJables]

did alice from balloon kid convince you jackal?

 

[Bassoonist]

Liklihood, without a doubt. His moveset would itrigue me,it's just his chances that are putting me on edge.

I wouldn't like his moveset to use Pikmin too much, I would like to see more fighting skill on his end.

I have to agree with this, however you have to take into account that Olimar's way of fighting is through Pikmin.

So I could see quite a few with Pikmin, but also a few without.

 

[Jackal478]

did alice from balloon kid convince you jackal?

nope.

:O

 

[ClarkJables]

i would like to see him summon pikmin, a character with "pets would be insane"

and to jackal ='(

 

[tirkaro]

I suppose balloon fighter could somehow be a projectile specialist, who works best at long range. however, he would be very floaty and light, so he cant get hit that much.

 

[Falco&Victory]

There are so many 'Maybe' characters, I'll make a new list for them.

MAYBES

Geno
Daisy
Doc Mario
Falco(plz)
Dark Samus
All MPH Hunters
Mallow
Baby Bowser
Balloon Fighter
Olimar
Zant
Midna
Vaati
Black Knight
Kind K Rool
Megaman

That's all for now, feel free to add more

 

[ClarkJables]

all hunters are at or bust, sorry to say. and i could see balloon fighter using the items from his games.

the flipper, the giant fish, the ball lightning, and his pin which would resemble a rapier

 

[Falco&Victory]

The hunters would have great potential, and will appear in MP3 for a second times, but I do agree that it would be hard to work them in. They've only been in 1 game so far.

As to Balloon fighter's items, greta idea. Maybe you could make a moveset. (BTW, you post too much lol. You're the next Dylan Tnga)

 

[ClarkJables]

you should have seen me on the ninjas and pirates thread , i maxed out in lvl in close to 3 weeks. and i guess i could make a balloon fighter moveset, i'll get to work on that now

 

[the grim lizard]

Liklihood, without a doubt. His moveset would itrigue me,it's just his chances that are putting me on edge.

I wouldn't like his moveset to use Pikmin too much, I would like to see more fighting skill on his end.

His moveset would be mostly Pikmin. He'd probably use a Jetpack for ^B and have a couple punches and whatnot, but the whole gimmick would be using mostly Pikmin.

OK, well we can already see that the polls matter to some degree to Sakurai. The top pick was King Dedede with five appearances; Ike, Ridley, Diddy, and Geno were all second with four; and Olimar was third with three. So, in that sense he is in the top 5-10 choices for newcomers. Sakurai was quoted as saying that he wanted unique characters in Brawl. He said he's more interesting in characters that excite him than necessarily popular ones (mostly referring to obscure characters), but Olimar has both going for him.

He is the main character of a brand-new series since Melee came out. He's been in two games with another for the Wii on the way. Nintendo loves to push things like this to get people interested in a character or franchise, as Smash is one of Nintendo's best means of advertising. Smash needs to expand rep horizontally instead of just vertically, meaning we need more franchises repped as opposed to just beefing up the old ones. Of all the possible new series to include, there are Wario (already in obviously), Stafy, AC, Pikmin...there aren't a whole lot of good choices, but Pikmin is definitely at the top.

So basically...popularity, uniqueness, new series.

 

[Jackal478]

I'm goin' to bed, i'll be on tommorrow, peace guys.

 

[Falco&Victory]

The one thing that gets me is he is really new. Every chartacter in Smash is a classic(except perhaps Pichu, but they needed a new Poke rep). If Sakurai shoots for more new characters though, I see it happening.

 

[the grim lizard]

Ike is new. Zamus is new. Any 3rd or 4th gen. Pokemon will be new. Heck, look at Roy: He was in Melee before his game was even out. And in truth, Pikmin came out at the same time as Melee (a release title). Pikmin has been around for 6 years now. In that sense, Ganondorf, the OoT form of Y. Link and Zelda, Sheik, Pichu, M2, and Roy shouldn't have been in Melee, and Pika, Jiggs, Kirby, Link (the adult Link form of Link didn't appear until OoT and then he was used in SSB64), Fox, and Ness shouldn't have been in the original.

 

[ClarkJables]

Balloon fighter moveset-

jump- balloon fighter has multiple jumps equal to the number of kirby jumps while he has two balloons out. if one is popped he can only do half the number of kirby's jumps. if he has no balloons out he can only do one jump. he spawns with 2 balloons

B moves-

b- ball lightning, basically this works as sort of an air mine. when summoned it remains stationary in the air until an opponent approaches, it then homes in on said opponent and does not stop following him until it makes contact. when it makes contact it does 5% damage. now this doesn't seem like much but it also stuns the opponent as if they had their shield broken. only 3 ball lightnings are allowed on the field at the same time, and you can't summon another one until 5 seconds after the first one.

b>- flipper, balloon fighter throws out a flipper in front of him, bout as far as mario throws the flipper in melee. from there it acts exactly like the flipper in melee.

bV- fish of doom, balloon fighter throws a large fish onto the stage. the fish then flops around, causing knockup similar to DK's VB, and doing 5% damage to anyone who lands on the fish. the fish stays on the arena until knocked off. the fish can be knocked off by repeatadly throwing items or projectiles at it, it has the same weight as bowser.

B^- pump up balloon, what balloon pump does is pump up another balloon on his back. this can only be used if he doesn't have 2 balloons out already. it takes 3 seconds to pump up a balloon. also, the move can't be used until 3 seconds after the first pump.

A moves-
for the majority of balloon fighters a moves he uses something he calls " the pin". it is a silver stick sharpened at the end resembling a simple spear. it is the size of a yard stick. this is of course in proportion to BF's size. i will post them more in detail later

alternate costume-
alice from balloon kid

 

[Falco&Victory]

Wow... 6 years already?

Anyway, those characters weren't new in the least, only their forms. I can see Olimar getting in, it's just his chances don't really seem to be >50% for me. His fanbase would be the smallest of any character so far(again, disregarding Pichu), so IDK, I guess I'll wait to find out. Valid points though. Ima buddy you =>

EDIT: Didn't see your post there Jables. Very good moveset, but I think his balloons should be very difficult to pop and that he need higher and faster jumps than Kirby. Maybe his UpB would have him flap very fast for a second if the air, and would pump a new balloon when on the ground.

 

[Wiseguy]

Ugh.

Flame me if you want, almost all the suggestions i see here are completely stupid.

"Oh yes, I think Pauline should be in, Shes actually very likely."

WHAT? Pauline's been in like....2 games? and nobody knows who she is by her name.

and seeing things completely senseless make me angry. STARFY. WHATS HE GONNA DO TO ME?

ARRRGH.

Flame me or agree with me.

And debate here if i'm wrong or if these people are living in their dreams. D:

Yeah. Seeing other people with different opinions always makes me furious as well. I say everyone needs to agree on everything.

 

[Falco&Victory]

Ok, Wiseguy, we don't need ANY more flaming for the next few weeks on this topic. 20 pages of flames was too much. Jackal brought up a valid point. Most suggestions seen on the boards are just plain stupid, or generic, or completely 'WTF'? Read the last few pages before you post again, get an idea of what our discussion entails.