Byleth: Joins House Smash Brothers Social Thread

[Perkilator]

Is it too late to pledge my support for Byleth here?

Nope, not at all!

 

[Dannio]

Hey guys. It’s been a pretty ambitious week for Smash speculation. While things are probably going to get a little out of hand next week, allow me to share something cool I found today.

【川出】今日の20時からは「第１９弾発売直前生放送」です。サイファの放送初出演となる豊永利行さんや北千里さんとのトークや、コミケ、EXPO IIのイベント情報など、今回も内容盛り沢山でお送りします！ #FEcipher https://t.co/UVbzsQdg0h pic.twitter.com/U8EWWygYwM

— TCGファイアーエムブレム０（サイファ）公式 (@FEcipher) December 7, 2019

 

[Spongeboob]

Just imagine a Byleth amiibo.

 

[Perkilator]

Just in case some people still think Byleth is a self-insert:

byleth is not a player insert. byleth is a linguini-type protagonist and we, the players, are the ratatouilles pulling them by the hairstrings

— square root of ernon (@falcoknighted) December 16, 2019

 

[Gryphon827]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

 

[Garteam]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

Because Smash is a video game meant to be played, not just a roster designed to reflect game sales.

I'm perfectly fine with Fire Emblem getting an 8th rep provided they'd bring something unique to the table, which Byleth would certainly do. There's a lot of 3rd party choices that would bring a new franchise to Smash, but wouldn't necessarily bring anything exciting gameplay-wise.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

What makes you think that the game doesn't need a new character from a unrepresented Nintendo game in the Nintendo Crossover when said game was a hit critically and sales wise and also won more Awards at the VGA, a Western show, than Smash Bros itself, including Player's Voice which is a fan voted GotY, beating games like Sekiro, Resident Evil 2, Death Stranding, Star Wars and even Smash Bros?

 

[Calamitas]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

Genuine question: What makes you think that going to a character's support thread to complain about their entire series is gonna go over well?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

Because Three Houses did much better than Awakening and Fates, and Byleth is a very popular character with tons of potential.

 

[Spongeboob]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

I'm not sure if this is bait or not, but I'll bite. We don't. Furthermore, Smash doesn't need more characters. It's just that we want more characters and Byleth is one of the characters that the peeps of this thread want.

 

[Pokelego999]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

God the toxic smash community has found this thread.

But to answer your question, Fire Emblem has a large character pool, is very popular, the fans love it, the franchise has hit a high in popularity to the point where Nintendo itself considers it on the same level as Pokémon, Mario, Metroid, LOTD, Etc. At this point it's safe to say it could happen, most likely after the pass though.

Also imagine going on a thread just to insult it (Did that once, regret my descision and learned my lesson.)

 

[Deleted member]

Genuine question:

Which food does Edelgard like?

 

[Perkilator]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

Genuine question:
Why don't you mind your own business when you see a thread for a character you DON'T like?

 

[Flyboy]

Genuine question: What makes you guys think that the game needs an 8th FE rep over a new, unrepresented third-party character?

I don't want an 8th FE rep.

I want a Three Houses rep.

I like Three Houses and think all three lords and Byleth would add something totally new to the game. It was a good game. It has good music. It has a good world. I do not care very much for other FE games to the extent that I care about TH. Roy, for example, is not representative of a game I enjoy.

 

[Garteam]

Genuine question:

Which food does Edelgard like?

I'm taking the Shadows of Valentia route and feeding her a bag of raw flour.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm taking the Shadows of Valentia route and feeding her a bag of raw flour.

Sounds like a really interesting diet.

 

[Garteam]

Sounds like a really interesting diet.

It's good dungeon food. As my units learned the hard way.

 

[Calamitas]

It's good dungeon food. As my units learned the hard way.

Now I feel obliged to post this.

Spoiler: Awkward Zombie Time

 

[Pokelego999]

Now I feel obliged to post this.

Spoiler: Awkward Zombie Time

That is great.

 

[Perkilator]

Now I feel obliged to post this.

Spoiler: Awkward Zombie Time

Well, let's not get off topic, relatable as this is.

Anyway, how would you react if Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude all came at once as separate DLC fighters, and you got one for free by beating a certain character's route first?

 

[Garteam]

Well, let's not get off topic, relatable as this is.

Anyway, how would you react if Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude all came at once as separate DLC fighters, and you got one for free by beating a certain character's route first?

Honestly, as much as I like Dimitri and Claude, I think Byleth is more than enough to represent Three Houses.

That being said, I want the lords to play some role in Byleth's moveset, even if it just cameoing during his Final Smash. Alternatively, make Byleth Smash's first summoning character and let him bring in the lords for an attack each, similar to Captain Ginyu in DB FighterZ

 

[Frizz]

I think it'd be cool if all 3 house leaders appeared in Byleth's victory screen animations. Edelgard would say something like, "Now you know your limits." to add salt on the wounds for example.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Well, let's not get off topic, relatable as this is.

Anyway, how would you react if Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude all came at once as separate DLC fighters, and you got one for free by beating a certain character's route first?

I'd love that personally.
My absolute most wanted for Ultimate now is Edelgard, and I'd enjoy Byleth and Claude's playstyles a lot.

While I doubt all of them can join Ultimate, I really hope that in the next game FE representation get overhauled. Let go Corrin, Roy, Chrom and maybe even Ike and keep Marth, Lucina, Robin and add the 3H main cast because it will bring so much variety from the best game in the series.

 

[Pokelego999]

I'd love that personally.
My absolute most wanted for Ultimate now is Edelgard, and I'd enjoy Byleth and Claude's playstyles a lot.

While I doubt all of them can join Ultimate, I really hope that in the next game FE representation get overhauled. Let go Corrin, Roy, Chrom and maybe even Ike and keep Marth, Lucina, Robin and add the 3H main cast because it will bring so much variety from the best game in the series.

Yes, kill the most unique characters and keep the exact replica.
That makes absolute sense.

 

[Garteam]

Honestly, removing any Fire Emblem character is a lot tougher than you'd think:
- is the defacto face of the series and the one character everyone agrees cannot be removed
- was already removed once and builds off Marth's playstyle, but he's very popular in the context of Smash Bros and is too distinct to call an echo.
- is the second most popular character in the series and has a unique playstyle and moveset.
- is the most unique of the Fire Emblem characters thematically and represents the general idea of avatars in Fire Emblem
- and are both extremely easy to develop and have a large fanbase in both Fire Emblem and Smash, so it's kinda a waste to remove them
- is the most divisive of the roster, both in Smash and Fire Emblem, but still has a unique playstyle that isn't really seen anywhere else on the roster.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Yes, kill the most unique characters and keep the exact replica.
That makes absolute sense.

I have nothing against those characters, but Sakurai already made clear that next game is going to be harsh on cuts, especially between the roster becoming necessarely smaller and having to add new characters, and between Brawl and Smash 4 we already lost many unique fighters like Wolf, Lucas, Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Ice Climbers. Being unique isn't enough for being saved, and as Garteam pointed out cutting any FE rep isn't easy, but some have to go for necessary reasons (and also finally bring diversity to the FE cast since having just swords is ridiculous), just like many Mario characters will have to leave.

Marth obviously isn't going anywhere, and so is Lucina being super popular, iconic and also extremely easy to make since she can be copied from Marth. Robin too is pretty safe since they are the actual Awakening rep, the game that saved the series, and also is extremely unique.

Roy was already cut once (and semi-clones are the first to go as seen by the transition from Brawl and Smash For) and if he goes so does Chrom, Corrin isn't popular among neither the FE or Smash fandom despite their unique moveset, and Ike is in a 50/50 position: while popular and unique he just isn't relevant anymore, and might end up being what Mewtwo was between Melee and Brawl.

I hate to say that, but FE would be the first series targeted by the cut hammer if what Sakurai has said so far is true, but at the very least it would open the possibility for characters with different weapons from the FE series.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd love that personally.
My absolute most wanted for Ultimate now is Edelgard, and I'd enjoy Byleth and Claude's playstyles a lot.

While I doubt all of them can join Ultimate, I really hope that in the next game FE representation get overhauled. Let go Corrin, Roy, Chrom and maybe even Ike and keep Marth, Lucina, Robin and add the 3H main cast because it will bring so much variety from the best game in the series.

Keep Ike and I'm fine. Corrin can go however. Roy and Chrom can stay, doesn't take much effort to keep them in.

Honestly, just bring the FE3H cast and keep everything else as is, and I'm also fine honestly.

 

[Pokelego999]

I have nothing against those characters, but Sakurai already made clear that next game is going to be harsh on cuts, especially between the roster becoming necessarely smaller and having to add new characters, and between Brawl and Smash 4 we already lost many unique fighters like Wolf, Lucas, Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Ice Climbers. Being unique isn't enough for being saved, and as Garteam pointed out cutting any FE rep isn't easy, but some have to go for necessary reasons (and also finally bring diversity to the FE cast since having just swords is ridiculous), just like many Mario characters will have to leave.

Marth obviously isn't going anywhere, and so is Lucina being super popular, iconic and also extremely easy to make since she can be copied from Marth. Robin too is pretty safe since they are the actual Awakening rep, the game that saved the series, and also is extremely unique.

Roy was already cut once (and semi-clones are the first to go as seen by the transition from Brawl and Smash For) and if he goes so does Chrom, Corrin isn't popular among neither the FE or Smash fandom despite their unique moveset, and Ike is in a 50/50 position: while popular and unique he just isn't relevant anymore, and might end up being what Mewtwo was between Melee and Brawl.

I hate to say that, but FE would be the first series targeted by the cut hammer if what Sakurai has said so far is true, but at the very least it would open the possibility for characters with different weapons from the FE series.

Yeah, that I understand.
Still, corrin is currently our manakete rep, and until we get someone better (hopefully tiki or somebody like that) she's our manakete rep.

 

[Perkilator]

Quoting a recent reply I made in the Edelgard thread (Happy New Year, btw!):

Look at this tweet of a leak. It says Edelgard is going to be DLC for FE Warriors along with both versions of Byleth.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Pokelego999]

Quoting a recent reply I made in the Edelgars thread (Happy New Year, btw!):

I thought they had stopped doing dlc for warriors.

 

[Perkilator]

I thought they had stopped doing dlc for warriors.

Yeah, they did. That's what makes this fake.

That being said, I wouldn't mind either of the two characters listed in an FE Warriors 2.

 

[RandomAce]

In my opinion, I would rather have a Fire Emblem Warriors sequel with characters from the other games not represented.

Though, it might be off topic but I’ve been playing a lot of Persona 4 Ultimax and I kept wondering how awesome it would be if Fire Emblem had a crossover fighting game of it’s in that style. Even though some smash fans disagree, the wide potential roster of different lords spanning different games all with unique traits and abilities in a pretty large series makes it perfect for a fighting game of it’s own.

One day...

 

[Delzethin]

Quoting a recent reply I made in the Edelgard thread (Happy New Year, btw!):

Yeah, you can tell when a fake was created by someone who follows Smash but not Fire Emblem when only Byleth and Edelgard are mentioned without Dimitri or Claude.

Either way, further DLC for a game that's been out over two years and has gone a year and a half since its last update is...unlikely. Better odds are that a sequel will happen eventually...but whether that'd be sooner or later depends on a lot of factors. The least of which being if any of the Warriors teams aren't currently booked, or if Hyrule Warriors 2 or another Nintendo IP (Super Mario Warriors?) would take priority.

In my opinion, I would rather have a Fire Emblem Warriors sequel with characters from the other games not represented.

Though, it might be off topic but I’ve been playing a lot of Persona 4 Ultimax and I kept wondering how awesome it would be if Fire Emblem had a crossover fighting game of it’s in that style. Even though some smash fans disagree, the wide potential roster of different lords spanning different games all with unique traits and abilities in a pretty large series makes it perfect for a fighting game of it’s own.

One day...

I may or may not have ideas for how those would work. Both FE Warriors 2 and a FE fighting game.

 

[Perkilator]

Okay, I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a while: why do people want Byleth to be a Pokémon Trainer-type character with the House Leaders purely because of his merits as a professor? Not only would that be lazy (Byleth might as well be a background character), but...this quote describes my other feelings perfectly:

I never really understood the idea of all House Leaders from TH being shoved into the same character, the entire point of the game is that you have to pick a side, the only time they ever work together is in the opening map of the game, in the rest of it their relationships range from friendly rivalry to waging war on each other over differing ideologies. It's a particular issue with Edelgard and Dimitri, I don't think there's any way them teaming up could really be justified. To me the whole concept seems forced just for the sake of not having to pick one of the three, and I think it's fair enough to feel that way, but at that point Byleth is just the more logical option.

In general I highly doubt we're ever getting anything like Pokémon Trainer again, it taking the development of three unique characters really isn't ideal, there's little reason to push for it given the concept is already realized within the game, and when we're talking about DLC I'm not sure it's even possible given that the development team is scaled down and they have a very strict schedule to keep up with. On top of that I think Sakurai also views the transformation mechanic as being Pokémon Trainer's thing, it's pretty noteworthy that he kept Zelda/Shiek and Samus/ZSS separate, but still felt the need to combine Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard back together.

 

[Pokelego999]

Okay, I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a while: why do people want Byleth to be a Pokémon Trainer-type character with the House Leaders purely because of his merits as a professor? Not only would that be lazy (Byleth might as well be a background character), but...this quote describes my other feelings perfectly:

I honestly don't understand either man

 

[Delzethin]

Okay, I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a while: why do people want Byleth to be a Pokémon Trainer-type character with the House Leaders purely because of his merits as a professor? Not only would that be lazy (Byleth might as well be a background character), but...this quote describes my other feelings perfectly:

I think it's an argument for representation, passed around by people who aren't as familiar with Three Houses. The idea's that having all three house leaders would "represent" the game better than just one character.

Problem is, it makes little to no sense once you actually try to work out the details, on top of it having zero precedent in canon since you only ever teach one of the three per playthrough.

I actually touched on how this overfocus on representation causes a few problems in the community in the intro of a recent video. Fanmade character concepts built just to "represent" as many ideas as possible that end up feeling messy and incoherent compared to canon movesets is one of the less toxic but still frustrating side effects.

 

[GunBlaze]

The time has come

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1217083951589642240

 

[Gryphon827]

Yes Mr. Sakurai, we definitely wanted an 8th FE swordie, and not another 3rd party rep or any other underrepresented franchise...

this game is on its last ****ing legs.

 

[GunBlaze]

WE MADE IT

 

[MrJudd]

We broke the swords curse!