Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR: You clearly aren't subscribing to the JD scum idea, so who are you looking at instead?

I'm rereading right now so I will give definitive answers when I am done.

 

[sneakytako]

Vote: JD

10 votes

 

[Vinylic.]

That's L-1.

I'll be the hammer.

 

[BSP]

Guys, are we sure JD is scum?

I don't think we should decide just yet.

 

[Vinylic.]

Lol nope, eff that.

Get BSP.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

How about you let me finish my reread.

 

[Jdietz43]

Guys, are we sure JD is scum?

I don't think we should decide just yet.

Not sure if is scum tell or town tell...

 

[Jdietz43]

How about you let me finish my reread.

Doing this would be good.

 

[Riddle]

Guys, are we sure JD is scum?

I don't think we should decide just yet.

Wtf is this.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'll post my thoughts later

Here are his thoughts after reading everything:

Guys, are we sure JD is scum?

I don't think we should decide just yet.

Nothing else.

 

[BSP]

Wtf is this.

It's a question.

 

[Vinylic.]

leggggggggggggggggggooooo.

BSP first, plz.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why is JD scum, I want this from Vinyl mouth alone.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Actually **** it, I want everyone to answer that with quotes to show and not the bardull method of telling me over showing me.

Show me why he is scum.

 

[Vinylic.]

Why JD's scum?

I would say scummy. Like say, Inactivity for one but that's dealt with. Calling me scum when I have a solid town role here. Well, not like solid-solid.

That's all. Bardull's reasoning has enough, but the aggressiveness made me unsure of JD being the scum here.

 

[Vinylic.]

But yeah, BSP needs to go first.

Like, Right now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It's like this is Disney mafia all over again...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Pages 4-5,

Show me Vinyl is further cleared off his interaction with 194. So it;s too natural how they interact and make talk with each other.

In here I find even more thinks I hate about Bardull's style with the gambit.

I've already gotten information out into the open as a result, and I intend to use my shot toDay anyway, so no harm done. Also, I'll be clear once my shot is out of the way, another plus. Granted, I'll become a night kill choice as a result, but Doc should be on me anyway (or suffer my wrath post-game.)

194/Joker, assume I give you my gun and you have to shoot. Who do you shoot with it?

Specifically the bolded, he hasn't earned the right to this outside of his claim. But even then the best I see of his play is making a null read on Tako, before he claimed. But still leaves it unanswered while saying that Tako needed to explain himself, but not leading anything on it.

Pages 7-8

I actually like the connections Deitz gets from the players, he may not be showing direct reasoning clearly but I do think he is getting connections very well.

Bardull still isn't putting himself out that much, he is pushing directions but he's not "hardbodying" anyone by any means.

BSP isn't really doing much here, brief comments and some noticing of what others are doing, but not really putting himself in the spot light.

Riddle is Riddle.

I'm more so focusing on 194's posts at this point, since I'm starting to notice a pattern.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Riddle tell me, what did you note of BSP on days 1 and 2?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rereading the voting is interesting, Bardull actually was the first one to put a vote down on 194, followed by Rake.

194 really doesn't commit to anything, so it's hard to place who is mate is off that alone.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Then BSP makes posts showing why 194 is scum and how he made an opportunistic push on him.

Which seems to hold up more than the first two that voted with nothing really of meat to them vote wise.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Vinyl.

I'm not liking either Vinyl or 194 right now. A lot of fluff, almost no useful information, and they both seem quite opportunistic as far as their reads go. I'd like to see a lot more content from both of them, and less complaints about how "out of it" they are.

Vinyl's discussion of BSP in particular doesn't sit particularly well with me, which is why I chose to vote him, but I would be fine with lynching either of them. They'd make good vigilante targets too (*cough*BarDulL*cough*).

Riddle doesn't like either but votes Vinyl between the two.

But while there focuses only on Vinyls habits but not 194s.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My spider sense is tingling from this post. I might have to light the HBC signal.

This lovely habit of calling people scum, then proceeding to not bring said evidence forward.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nvm he does later, so scratch that here.

 

[BSP]

But don't miss the fact that he falsely stated that I had a scum read on Joker at that point, when I had never even given a read on Joker up to that point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dietz is the only odd man out with 194 connections or rather how he wasn't there to give them right away.

But when he does he goes for the I'll hammer posts, so it's clear 194 was being bussed right away.

194 addresses Bardull, but it's only brief, wants Vinyl or me shot.

 

[Riddle]

Riddle tell me, what did you note of BSP on days 1 and 2?

Without any sort of rereading, damn near nothing that struck me as either pro-town or anti-town. He asked some questions that either seemed fairly useless (regarding inactivity or WIFOM-y stuff and the like) or were to people already being (much more effectively) pressured by Rake or BarDulL or someone, he shared some reads that were neither particularly unique nor strong, and he stayed mostly out of the spotlight. Despite all of that though, his intentions seemed fine if somewhat conservative (understatement). I like his play in the last two days much, much more, but he was pretty much a non-factor early on in the game.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

How the **** did people read that as me trying to deter a lynch?

I said quite clearly, "Shoot him or an inactive" then figure out where to go from their on the flip, aka I didn't say back off 194.

I hate inactives really bad when I'm invested, and I tell Vigs to go for them in games or super strong scum reads.

Not relevant to right now but good god I got a rage rant post game about this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is a bit better, more likely why I'm gonna drop Bardull scum.

I have just one little problem with Bardull's case: if he's so convinced (and he looks like that), why hasn't he shot me yet?

Think about it. Bardull has clearly stated that he has a shooting ability, and that's the only thing about his game that can be proven (the rest of his game looks extremely pro town- probably a bit too much). If he's really a vig, he could get to confirm himself in the eyes of the town by shooting an easy target as me. If I was mafia, he would have gotten tons of town points. Shooting me as town would still be excusable (under the "but he was playing terrible, it was shouting scum to everyone, so I shot him") and still, with both, he would confirm himself. I am the perfect target for him!

@Bardull: why haven't you shot me? Do you intent to shoot someone else?

This is a more fessable interaction,

Not wasting my shot on you.

Someone hammer. He's postulating RR scum on the premise of inactivity and it's making me cringe.

Actually, I'll write up a case when I get back from class.

Go in-depth with your Vinyl scum read. Explain how Vinyl's "erratic behavior" is scummy.

More questioning on the slot, it might be more Bardull trying to figure out his alignment.

194's whole catch-up post was pretty terrible, but this in particular irritates me to end. Too-townie/too pro-town isn't a scumtell and it never will be, this really just strikes me as an OMGUS by pressured scum on a player that has played a very pro-town game. I'm going to switch my vote to 194 as soon as I make sure that it's not a hammer.

194 should claim.

Then Riddle makes more interest in 194 when he made his large bad post, he places more interest in 194 than before, though the speed of the wagon picked up a lot since his last post.

Dietz posted early but it was not much,

Guys, I'm fine with 194 going (didn't answer all the questions on him either) and vinyl being shot

Run the tako being shot case by me. Do we think they're neighbours and not masons?

Also, are we fine with ending this day before getting anything from toaster's slot?

I agree that 194 needs to claim

Less viable than Bardulls stuff but something to note, more so how 194 didn't finish questions and kept more of a low down.

You still didn't answer my full question: who would you shoot right now if it isn't me?

And I'm not postulating RR as scum: if I was, given the nature of the situation I was put in the question, wouldn't I have shot him instead of just vote him? My vote comes more in the flavor of "wake-up vote" rather than an "I want you lynched" vote, and that was indeed said in the question (that my vote wouldn't mean a lynch on that player).

About Vinyl: Vinyl's play in this game has shared some similarities to mine: Overall sheeping, sloppy and even contradictory reads (calling BSP pro-town, blaming him scum because of being pro-town and then calling him "the null of nulls", for instance). In fact, you have noticed some points about Vinyl better than me (like the "BSP is buddying" line and so on).

@BSP: I haven't found all the questions regarding me yet. I'm backtracking and answering them all and posting.

Odd question.

OK, I guess I can't say much now. except that you will never get a shot out of that vigilante.

While I still follow the terms of, never listen to dead scum talking.

~

That said,

I'm having a hard time seeing 194 with Bardull or BSP more with how they interacted and voted.

Deitz and Riddle seem much more likely off connections.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well onto Day 2 and Day 3 to see who voted poorly on Orbo and Rake.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I missed the vote blocker completely, I thought 194 was a goon alone.

Scum is most likely a 2 man.

 

[BSP]

Someone unvote please

 

[Riddle]

Unvote

.......

 

[BSP]

Don't "..." me, there's plenty more we can get out of this day.

Do you guys agree with RR's reasoning for dropping Bardullscum? I'm confounded on the slot and I could really use some second opinions because my thoughts on it determine where I think we should go next.

 

[Jdietz43]

Let's see what else RR comes up with. I could see it going either way and want RR's thoughts, not him echoing things we say ahead of time.

 

[Riddle]

The ... was for 10char dodging lol.

I'm not sure how I feel about the 194/Bardull connection case. I'd like a more in-depth explanation from RR on why he thinks the 194 posts he quoted are indicative of TvS rather than SvS interaction, before a formulate a more concrete opinion.

 

[Jdietz43]

The ... was for 10char dodging lol.

I'm not sure how I feel about the 194/Bardull connection case. I'd like a more in-depth explanation from RR on why he thinks the 194 posts he quoted are indicative of TvS rather than SvS interaction, before a formulate a more concrete opinion.

Same.

Let RR finish before we say yay or nay.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

But don't miss the fact that he falsely stated that I had a scum read on Joker at that point, when I had never even given a read on Joker up to that point.

Yeah but if I recall from the reread he corrected himself and read something wrong I think.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well I'm gonna get some lemon water and nail D2 then get to what you guys think.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The only four people I'd consider lynching at this exact moment are JDietz, Orboknown, BSP, and Rake.

JDietz - Hasn't done much of anything has far as providing new or useful information to town. His argument with Joker was strange and his focus on the mason claims doesn't make any sense to me as a pro-town move beyond getting some extra information, and that does not feel like what JD's goal was.

Orboknown - I'd rather this slot be shot, but if Orboknown starts contributing and anything he says strikes me as even remotely anti-town, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat. Toaster skated through all of Day 1 with absolutely no useful input, and I have no reason at all to see him as a townie at this point. Hopefully Orb is able to change my opinion.

BSP - All of BSP's reads feel very safe and pro-status quo. Based on his meta (i've read MLP and we were both in HxH) this isn't unlike his town play, but it's also highly reminiscent of the kind of caution that mafia often uses when "scumhunting."

Rake - Rake gives me a little bit of a bad vibe, but nothing major. He seems to be trying to look like an active and contributing player, while providing very few original reads. Some meta would be appreciated on Rake, but he just strikes me as a little off. Definitely a low priority for now though.

It's just so null on everyone.