Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What us there to say?

Scum has to be in the last four, it's not vinyl taco or me and after I mass claim I'm gonna reread and think about my reads in terms if priority.

 

[Vinylic.]

My vote is now permanent.

Vote: BSP

Lurking is not an option.

 

[BarDulL]

What us there to say?

Scum has to be in the last four, it's not vinyl taco or me and after I mass claim I'm gonna reread and think about my reads in terms if priority.

You were aiming for my slot SOLEY, and now you're like "well we can choose one of these four except for me." What happened to the hard tunneling of my slot?

Anyway I'm up for seeing your reads on those 4 slots, but I'm not down to get into another back and forth with you unless you actually have some material to work with outside of your previous case against me. Claiming I'm scum because of that vig claim is just dumb considering what I did with it. Reread and you'll see.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Bardull why is the commuter claim safe? It's a night action that can be verified and no other actions, if I had them as scum if I were, cannot be made.

Your calling my claim fake despite me saying at the end if day 1 there was not likely a doctor in the set-up when I said don't doc you.

Kantrip claimed Jailer before most of the game outed themselves. He only could have known that if he got info on my role.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Can be made etc.

 

[BSP]

I thought about responding fully to BSP's post, but really, it's easily the most horrendous analysis I've ever seen. I like that he put in the effort w.r.t. trying to prove that my analysis of Riddle's slot was biased over his and that I shouldn't have a town read on Riddle, but really, Riddle is just really Townie based on his interactions as well as the intent in his posts. That being said, I think BSP just doesn't see Riddle's towniness because BSP is a newer player, but that spells problems because it makes it harder to read into BSP's intentions.

I think you're giving Riddle too much credit for the posts he's made. His game so far reminds me of my scum play in newbie...err, 21 or something. (I know it was newbie, but the concept still applies) It was the megaman one. I did exactly what he's doing now; I offered my thoughts and asked questions, but I never pushed anyone. He's not pushing anyone and he's fine with the directions that are established by others. The intent looks fine, but I'm not buying it.

Regardless, I still don't like how you gave him a town read and I'm suspicious of you for it still.

All I really see BSP doing is sitting on his hands and not doing much with his slot unless someone pushes against him. His knee jerk reaction to being pushed is to then call a player out on their reasoning for pushing him and try pursuing them as a scumread (at least, from what I've seen.) Actually, I don't think I've really seen BSP do much outside of try to take thread control away from me for no real reason, i.e. him pursuing me based off my gambit.

Thread control is a stretch, but I am trying to point out the flaw in your townRiddle read.

Again, you keep saying I'm not doing much unless I'm being pushed (and I won't lie, I haven't been), but you gave Riddle a town read when he was only asking a few questions and never actively pushing anyone. Like I pointed out, he only gave 1 original stance by the end of D1, and you apparently trusted him so much that you didn't want him copped. Again, I think you're giving him waaay too much credit for his play right now.

BSP, what are your reads right now and why?

Bardull - Null-Scum. You are giving Riddle too much credit for his play so far, and I don't like that town read you had on him. Now you're talking about getting more from him after I've questioned you on it, even though he was/is your towniest read. You're also using 194's lynch to verify yourself, but as I said, I don't it verifies you much at all.

That being said, I think Jdietz is a better play for today, but I don't think I want to see you at LyLo or Mylo.

Jdietz - I'm fine with his lynch and we probably should do it today. NullScum for the read. Throwing votes out before even being fully caught up (twice? I'm losing count), and not really saying anything useful after the quick hammer. IIRC wasn't very useful D2 and definitely wasn't useful D1. We can't let him skate by on this hard-headedness all game.

Vinyl - town only because of his role

Tako - Joker's death confirms him even more

RR - Jdietz is a better play for toDay imo, but I'm not opposed to seeing him go. He's still got the D1 play hanging on him, and then we can't really verify the commuter claim. I'm going to go back to look at RR again.

Riddle - NullScum - You should know what I think of his play by now. He's outing reads and questioning, but never pushing anyone, and at the end of the day, he's ok with the majority direction.

He also wants me dead on the premise of my vig claim, but I showed very clear town intent with that claim and used my thread control to push for 194 and to out information/get reads on everyone.

As I pointed out in my post, this is false. You never made a case on 194, and I don't think you really even pushed for the lynch; you were just the first one on the wagon.

JD falls under the same category more or less, except to a worse degree. JD's reads were atrocious day 2 and his play was very anti-town. There was no reason to push for me based off my vig claim, and he was clearly not reading into my intent. There's also the fact that he was using AtE and trying to use the "dumb" card to backpedal out of his play. He then "rereads" the entire game and comes up with several new reads, which is really shady, and each read seems to be sheeping popular opinion. He also reverts on his Riddle read and claims that he felt Riddle was not clear town even after saying Riddle was Town and that he "did not understand why Kantrip/BarDulL had Riddle as town." This seemed like an attempt to try and ride RR/BSP's opinion of my slot and, again, an attempt to backpedal out of his own new read.

This, however, I agree with. Jdietz can go..

On a related note, BSP says that I shouldn't get points for 194 because I didn't write a case on 194, but BSP is being too black and white; I had thread control 99% of day 1 and pushed/secured 194's lynch as a result. As Rake said earlier, I had no reason to do this if I was scum because I was essentially pushing for 194's death rather pointlessly when his death could have otherwise been averted.

Sorry, but I disagree. I think that lynch got you a ton of undeserved town points and that'd benefit you a lot as scum. As I've said, I don't think that you pushed 194's lynch. You were simply on the wagon first. It could have been averted, yes, but at that point, it was pretty much the play for the day, and you backing off while the feelings of 194'S slot were declining would've made you look suspicious.

In regards to the night kill, I feel that scum didn't kill me and instead were forced to kill Joker because Joker/Tako are pretty much clear alongside Vinyl. Since killing my slot would potentially allow clears to have majority rule, it's not a wise decision to go for me just yet.

Indy is gone, so I imagine scum would try to kill the confirmed townies now.

Which brings me to a question Red Ryu. Why didn't you commute someone last night when you know that we have confirmed townies running around?

On another note, voting is fine. We are very likely not in LyLo, so everyone can vote without worry.

While I'm at it, Riddle, although I've more or less given you a free pass for a majority of the game, I didn't see a lot of content from you on D2/D3. I'm going to have to revert you back to being kind of null and I'm going to have to ask you to out your reads as well as elaborate explanations for why. Would also like to know what direction you feel this Town should go in.

See, now you're going back on your Riddle read now that I've questioned you about it. I highly doubt you would've done this on your own accord had I not brought it up, since he was your towniest read.

Would you be open to lynching Riddle?

Vinyl, Tako, if RR continues to push against my slot with a faulty premise and tries to lead Town, promise me you'll hardbody him with me.

Actually, how about you two don't do this and pursue your own thoughts.

I used to think this; The less, the easier.

Let's put this to good use.

Vote: Jdietz

Stop doing this.

Missed this. Because he hasn't done jack **** in the last day phase. He needs to speak up, I'm not leaving room for error.

>_> . So if he would've posted some reads plus a suggested direction, he would've been fine? Honestly, outside of posting reads yeseterDay, he hasn't done anything differently.

 

[Riddle]

I am a VT. Pretty confident that JDietz is the play.

His Day 2 was particularly horrendous, he plays completely differently when he's being pressured and when he's not, his reads are inconsistent and terribly supported, and he follows whomever seems to be in control a lot of the time. I haven't seen a single pro-town contribution from him honestly and I'd love to see him dead.

Vote: JDietz

BarDulL backing off from his town read on me is slightly suspicious, but the rest of his play seems pretty pro-town; might be convinced to lynch him.

BSP isn't particularly useful, but doesn't seem that scummy either. Reserving judgement for now, I suppose.

Red Ryu's claim makes me not want to lynch him, but I agree with BarDulL that his play doesn't line up with his claim and that his play hasn't been particularly pro-town.

Vinyl/Tako cleared.

 

[Riddle]

JDietz, I want a full reads list from you ASAP.

 

[BSP]

Riddle, if Jdietz flips town, where do we look next?

 

[BSP]

Vinyl and Tako

You're both pretty much confirmed at this point, which means you're up there on the hit-list. You two need to make this day count because it might be your last. Don't just jump in here in and throw votes down.

 

[Riddle]

Of the only three non cleared remaining at that point (BSP, BarDulL, Red Ryu), I think I would most like to lynch BarDulL, but it would all depend on the night kill and a possible reread. I really don't think JD is town though.

Can you better explain your RR read to me?

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull why is the commuter claim safe? It's a night action that can be verified and no other actions, if I had them as scum if I were, cannot be made.

Your calling my claim fake despite me saying at the end if day 1 there was not likely a doctor in the set-up when I said don't doc you.

Kantrip claimed Jailer before most of the game outed themselves. He only could have known that if he got info on my role.

I did not understand your first paragraph fully, but the main point seems to be that you don't understand why it's safe for scum to claim commuter (whose powers only work on consecutive nights). First off, commuter is perfect for scum because scum will NEVER be targeted by night kills. They take the chance of risking being targeted with an ability, but the claim itself gives that player's claim an extra degree of validity as a result, which is the intended outcome coming from a scum player. Now you're trying to ride on that claim to LyLo, something scum would do, and basically try to clean your hands of your shoddy play (stalling the 194 lynch, calling me scum because I lied about being vig, just for example.)

As far as I know, abductors don't learn what someone's role is upon abducting them (since when has this ever been true?) That being said, if you read back, Kantrip's claim was the perfect safe claim because he had already invested himself enough to the point that no other claim would make sense in his position; Kantrip was attempting to cover all his bases, and the only role that would cover all of those bases was jailer. This is because Kantrip asked Rake if he was a vigilante, but had no reasoning for doing it. The truth, I'm pretty sure, is that Kantrip suspected Rake to be scum/vig, and so he claimed to have jailed Rake so that scumRake/vigRake would no longer push on Kantrip because that way scumRake/vigRake couldn't confirm if his shot hit Kantrip. He wouldn't know if his shot connected because there was the possibility that he was actually roleblocked by Kantrip. The reality was that VTRake arbitrarily turned to Kantrip as indy, which caused Kantrip to suspect Rake was the one who hit his BP, and thus claimed Jailer so that Rake could not push against him with confidence in the event that Rake actually WAS scum/vig.

Also, if Kantrip saw your claim, he could have EASILY claimed commuter on the same grounds. Why would he claim jailer instead of commuter? In fact claiming commuter would have highly likely turned scum away from shooting him, so he had no reason not to claim commuter.

There's also the fact that commuter AND Jailer can coexist, so it's not unreasonable for Kantrip to claim Jailer in this set up, so whether or not he saw your role is irrelevant.

@BSP - everyone and their mother should have had a town read on Riddle based on Riddle's D1 play. He did not miss a beat and asked legitimate questions and pushed slots. You on the other hand didn't. You simply hold yourself to a higher level when you're really not at that high of a level, and so you feel Riddle is of equivalence to you or something. Riddle's play has been pretty townie and the intent has been great. While he hasn't spearheaded any lynch, he has been protown and definitely HAS pushed town in the right direction, i.e. his pushing of the JD slot before the flip was posted, or his setting up of 194/Vinyl's lynch at the end of D1 (upon reread, they were the most scummy at the time so it was completely legit.)

Again, your interpretation of my slot during D1 is whack. I'm not going to go in circles with you about this, but Rake AND Joker both attested that I was pro-town as hell, and I'm fairly certain that they're more qualified to make said judgments than yourself. This may seem like a cop out from me 'cause I'm not arguing with you about it, but I really don't feel like talking about it ad nauseum because that's just anti-town.

I am not entirely opposed to a Riddle lynch even though I feel he's most likely Town between RR/You/JD. His absence during D3 bothers me, so now I'm bringing him out to the forefront and getting him to talk. It literally has nothing to do with you questioning my read on his slot. I will stand by that read until this game is over, but inactivity is never good even if I feel that slot is likely to be town.

I have more to say, but I'm heading out to dinner in a bit.

 

[Riddle]

Tako, as a cleared townie, I would really like to see a LOT more from you. Reads and direction for today would be awesome. Is there anything Joker said to you last night that you think is worthy of sharing?

 

[BSP]

Of the only three non cleared remaining at that point (BSP, BarDulL, Red Ryu), I think I would most like to lynch BarDulL, but it would all depend on the night kill and a possible reread. I really don't think JD is town though.

Can you better explain your RR read to me?

I will. I'm looking at RR right now. But why lynch Bardull next over RR?

 

[BarDulL]

Of the only three non cleared remaining at that point (BSP, BarDulL, Red Ryu), I think I would most like to lynch BarDulL, but it would all depend on the night kill and a possible reread. I really don't think JD is town though.

Can you better explain your RR read to me?

Explain why I'm of higher priority than BSP/RR.

 

[BSP]

Also, why does your direction depend on the NK? (outside of Bardull getting killed of course)

 

[BarDulL]

I am a VT. Pretty confident that JDietz is the play.

His Day 2 was particularly horrendous, he plays completely differently when he's being pressured and when he's not, his reads are inconsistent and terribly supported, and he follows whomever seems to be in control a lot of the time. I haven't seen a single pro-town contribution from him honestly and I'd love to see him dead.

Vote: JDietz

BarDulL backing off from his town read on me is slightly suspicious, but the rest of his play seems pretty pro-town; might be convinced to lynch him.

BSP isn't particularly useful, but doesn't seem that scummy either. Reserving judgement for now, I suppose.

Red Ryu's claim makes me not want to lynch him, but I agree with BarDulL that his play doesn't line up with his claim and that his play hasn't been particularly pro-town.

Vinyl/Tako cleared.

Unparalleled whackness. You say I'm pro-town, but would rather have me go before BSP who you've already said isn't particularly useful?

Come at me on this.

 

[Vinylic.]

Vinyl and Tako

You're both pretty much confirmed at this point, which means you're up there on the hit-list. You two need to make this day count because it might be your last. Don't just jump in here in and throw votes down.

Vote: BSP

I've been knowing that before you called it.

 

[Vinylic.]

All we have left is JDietz to be here and so forth.

Leave Bar out toDay.

 

[Vinylic.]

Show your reasons anyways though. Bar is not going to be the lynch choice.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't disagree that JD is the likely play, but still, w-t-f@riddle.

Heading out, will bbl.

 

[Riddle]

Unparalleled whackness. You say I'm pro-town, but would rather have me go before BSP who you've already said isn't particularly useful?

Come at me on this.

I just don't see any reason for BSP to be scum, his play isn't strong, but it's certainly picking up and I've seen almost nothing from him that gives me any reason to suspect him. You on the other hand are clearly a strong player, however, there are inklings and connections here and there that give me slightly scummy feelings. I am quite confident that JD is scum, but if he flips town and then there's a nkill we have 5 people and either 1 or 2 scum. In that case town is in a very bad situation. I'm not going to choose to lynch BSP, who I just can't see as scum over the you, in a possible LYLO situation. Although I think you're town now, I'm more confident in BSP's intentions. With only 3 possible lynches, you have to start lynching people you didn't want to lynch before.

Also, why does your direction depend on the NK? (outside of Bardull getting killed of course)

With this few people left, you don't think that the NK is a useful source of information?

 

[BSP]

I guess, but you should have a pretty good idea of who's going to go next.

 

[Riddle]

I guess, but you should have a pretty good idea of who's going to go next.

Disagree. We have two flips and a whole Day's worth of information before toMorrow. You're handicapping yourself if you feel this way.

 

[Jdietz43]

Still here, long day and tired.

Not reading atm, confirm I'm a VT.


(Did Bardull ever explain out Riddle?)

 

[BarDulL]

Riddle, you're not feeding me anything substantial, you're tryinG to set me up for a lynch tomorrow but on a terrible premise. If I'm town, but bsp is null, you go bsp first, always. Why are you showing favoritism towards his slot if he's doing squat? Makes absolutely no sense considering you've been fine with my play for the entire game, what, are you just mega paranoid of my slot or something?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well how about that super strong town read.

 

[BarDulL]

Hi my name is RR and I'm being anti-town as usual.

 

[Riddle]

Riddle, you're not feeding me anything substantial, you're tryinG to set me up for a lynch tomorrow but on a terrible premise. If I'm town, but bsp is null, you go bsp first, always. Why are you showing favoritism towards his slot if he's doing squat? Makes absolutely no sense considering you've been fine with my play for the entire game, what, are you just mega paranoid of my slot or something?

I have a town read on BSP, I don't know where you got the null read. Just because I don't think he's useful, doesn't mean I don't think he's town. I just can't see any scum intent in any of his posts. I'd prefer to wait til toMorrow to determine what we do then though. Like I said, I really don't see JD flipping town, but if he does I'll have to do a reread/ISOs and figure out what I think about everyone.

 

[BarDulL]

Give me the juicy details of said town read on bsp.

 

[BarDulL]

I just don't see any reason for BSP to be scum, his play isn't strong, but it's certainly picking up and I've seen almost nothing from him that gives me any reason to suspect him. You on the other hand are clearly a strong player, however, there are inklings and connections here and there that give me slightly scummy feelings. I am quite confident that JD is scum, but if he flips town and then there's a nkill we have 5 people and either 1 or 2 scum. In that case town is in a very bad situation. I'm not going to choose to lynch BSP, who I just can't see as scum over the you, in a possible LYLO situation. Although I think you're town now, I'm more confident in BSP's intentions. With only 3 possible lynches, you have to start lynching people you didn't want to lynch before.


With this few people left, you don't think that the NK is a useful source of information?

What the tarnation? What connections are you talking about? Inklings? Give me mroe than this. You also say here that you think I'm town "now," what the douce, you haven't had me as town all game? What finally made you decide I was town?

 

[Riddle]

What the tarnation? What connections are you talking about? Inklings? Give me mroe than this. You also say here that you think I'm town "now," what the douce, you haven't had me as town all game? What finally made you decide I was town?

I have had you as town all game, and I still do think you're town. The "now" part is that if we get to tomorrow I'm going to have to reevaluate my read on you (as well as everyone else). Right now I'd have an easier time believing that you're scum than believing that BSP is scum, but I'm still pretty confident in both my town reads. You're reading too much into my answer to that question. I really have no idea who I'd lynch tomorrow, I just had to answer the question.

Give me the juicy details of said town read on bsp.

I've played with BSP in a game and read another one, and his (town) play in both lines up exactly with his play in this game. Earlier in the game he was a little passive, but he picked it up on his own with very little pressure and has been playing quite well toDay. He's making cases and asking questions and I feel very comfortable with him. The fact is, I don't believe I've seen a single post in this game from him where I could sense any scum intent.

TownBarDulL would certainly be more of an asset than TownBSP in this game, but we're past the point where we can just hope that strong players are town, so that they can help us out. If I'm even 1% less sure that you're town come tomorrow and a possible reread, then my vote will stay with you.

 

[BarDulL]

Aight, but I still wanna know about the inklings/connections you were talking about.

 

[Jdietz43]

Riddle, you're not feeding me anything substantial, you're tryinG to set me up for a lynch tomorrow but on a terrible premise. If I'm town, but bsp is null, you go bsp first, always. Why are you showing favoritism towards his slot if he's doing squat? Makes absolutely no sense considering you've been fine with my play for the entire game, what, are you just mega paranoid of my slot or something?

Hi my name is RR and I'm being anti-town as usual.

Vote: Bardull

Reading is for chumps

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm not going to get into a petty back and forth with you, RR. If you continue pushing against my slot, I'll hardbody your slot to the ground. You literally have no reason to be reading me as scum, and I'm not going to let you try and lead Town in the wrong direction when you already have a questionable claim that you supposedly "wifom'd." Not biting it. Your claim is perfect for scum to claim with and your play has been absolutely deplorable.

You also have no reason to tell everyone to not scum hunt and to not vote. That's what I'm trying to do. Why should we wait for a mass claim to finish before we start scum hunting? You have no reason for doing this, you're just trying to establish thread control, but you're doing it in the wrong way.

Vinyl, Tako, if RR continues to push against my slot with a faulty premise and tries to lead Town, promise me you'll hardbody him with me.

"Wimpy players: help me, I can't take being pushed even slightly."

And quit it, RR.

You've claimed from jailer to commuter. The fact that you did that is enough for me to lynch you.

Vinyl.... just... seriously. RR never claimed jailer, drop it.

 

[Jdietz43]

@BSP - everyone and their mother should have had a town read on Riddle based on Riddle's D1 play. He did not miss a beat and asked legitimate questions and pushed slots. You on the other hand didn't. You simply hold yourself to a higher level when you're really not at that high of a level, and so you feel Riddle is of equivalence to you or something. Riddle's play has been pretty townie and the intent has been great. While he hasn't spearheaded any lynch, he has been protown and definitely HAS pushed town in the right direction, i.e. his pushing of the JD slot before the flip was posted, or his setting up of 194/Vinyl's lynch at the end of D1 (upon reread, they were the most scummy at the time so it was completely legit.)

I am not entirely opposed to a Riddle lynch even though I feel he's most likely Town between RR/You/JD. His absence during D3 bothers me, so now I'm bringing him out to the forefront and getting him to talk. It literally has nothing to do with you questioning my read on his slot. I will stand by that read until this game is over, but inactivity is never good even if I feel that slot is likely to be town.

I have more to say, but I'm heading out to dinner in a bit.

"I absolutely love Riddle and think he's town, except for when I don't, like immediately after and if you look at the last page."

While I'm at it, Riddle, although I've more or less given you a free pass for a majority of the game, I didn't see a lot of content from you on D2/D3. I'm going to have to revert you back to being kind of null and I'm going to have to ask you to out your reads as well as elaborate explanations for why. Would also like to know what direction you feel this Town should go in.

Seriously, lynch me if you have to, then just kill Bardull and call it GG.
I'm honestly sick of being alive in this game.

 

[Riddle]

Full reads if you would JD. Don't just quit on us. Even if we do eventually lynch you, your reads would be very helpful.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't know how to respond to those posts except with complete disgust. You need to change your attitude as well as your approach to the game if you're Town, JD. If you're scum, then I find your last attempt at AtE to be atrocious. Either way, your reads and logic are whack and make no sense.

Mfw someone says JD is trying to distance me on a scum flip.

 

[BarDulL]

I agree with Riddle that you def need to out reads as well as point out a better case than what you've postulated. Either way, I have no qualms lynching you.

 

[BarDulL]

Aight, but I still wanna know about the inklings/connections you were talking about.

Riddle answer this.