Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[BarDulL]

alright bardull, lets roll with that idea for a second explain some things to me:
1) what does vinyl gain as scum off a flavor claim ?
2) clearly he wants BSP / JD to claim moreso, so if BSP's his partner , why bus now or at all ?
3) why would scum vinyl pass on JD, who has been todays flavor dejour, he could have voted on him and got him, why wouldn't he do that ?
4) how does vinyl make sense with Ryu ?

1) First off, you initially went with him on a mass claim, not a flavor claim. He changed his route when I had qualms with it. Scum have everything to gain from a mass claim. We don't know if scum have anything to gain from a flavor claim, the real question is if TOWN has anything to gain from a flavor claim. I don't think it does.

2) You think I know why Vinyl does the things that he does? I have trouble trying to read Vinyl as it is.

3) Maybe he didn't want to come off as obvsheeping JD's slot since he has been busted for doing it in the past?

4) Don't know, but there's enough seeds of doubt that jumping off with Vinyl does not make sense. If you're Town, you jumped way too soon and did not think about the repercussions.

 

[BarDulL]

Now scum have better chances of hitting our PRs. I mean, seriously dude.

 

[BarDulL]

I mean, we know Vinyl is derpytown. Did you even ask yourself "does Vinyl know what he's doing?"

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

yep, usually when vinyl has said: let's mass claim, it hasn't been for no reason, and as i said before, this doesn't fit into vinyl's scum meta.

Especially flavor claiming , mass claiming you could make the case "let's keep our PR's safe" but clearly vinyl has some sort of result here and him stepping off full claiming is more of a null swing to me.

basically as i have said, i saw no issue following vinyl with mass claiming , as i didn't have a reason to suspect why he would suggest it based off my read on him. Could i have waited, yes, but i didn't see the need to.

 

[BarDulL]

I mean, we know Vinyl is derpytown. Did you even ask yourself "does Vinyl know what he's doing?"

Meant "we know Vinyl is derpy." Slight town, but derpy.

Vinyl isn't going to get results, but he's trying to do the right thing...I think. Don't see him as being so outward about the mass claim if he's scum, however we are not mass claiming on D2, wtf are people thinking. Zzz.

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm thinking about replacing out, my energy levels for this game are pretty low.

I'll try to catch up with this later tonight after I've had some rest and don't feel like someone sucked the life right out of me (work).

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

tell me about it JD, i just fell asleep during a hw sesion

 

[John2k4]

It is Day Two.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

JDietz(2): Kantrip, Vinyl
Kantrip(1): PrivateJoker
BSP(1): JDitz


Not Voting(6): Orbo, SneakyTako, BSP, Riddle, BarBelL, Rake

Deadline is set to: September 26th, 11:59PM MST

 

[Kantrip]

Skimmed, haven't really read.

Is Rake really taking me wanting both RR and 194 dead as SCUMMY? Suddenly extreme bussing of both scummates is the norm or something? And before you said you were feeling indy vibes, then suddenly all my strikes are connection-based. You're reaching hard.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

it's more like i feel like you were sitting on Ryu to too great an extent

 

[Kantrip]

it's actually astounding to me that someone who wanted Ryu dead so badly would never even throw a vote a him, especially if Ryu was a "easy lynch". If kantrip knew he could get support on it there's no reason he shouldn't have gone for Ryu and voted him.

You're ********. I didn't think RR was scum for real until I was already sold on 194 scum, and a large part of it was the connection between them. Your whole "Strike X" thing explained absolutely nothing as to what you actually thought was wrong with any of the things you underlined, and frankly I think what you have against me is so bull**** it's scummy.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

in other news, vinyl apparently has some sort flavor guilty / regular guilty, so get to flavor claiming por favor kantrip

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

when were you sold on 194 Kantrip ? Give me a post number

 

[Kantrip]

When did I vote him? I don't feel like going digging right now, and I honestly don't have time, but I was seeing him as scum before the wagon picked up, for sure, because I know I helped push the wagon forward. You're also talking like Ryu is confirmed scum. Believe me when I tell you that that is not necessarily the case, but I shall save that for later. Have you answered why you don't want Jdietz totally dead yet?

My character is Chack, btw.

Now going to eat and then going out again.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

mainly cuz JD despite being a total derp , that isn't out of his town meta, neither is being hardheaded.
I will say however he reads like he's out of his comfort zone and i find myself swinging back and forth on him, whether this is due to JD not having time, or a possible slip is in the air.

Kantrip, can you give me some reasoning as to why JD isn't just being hardheaded/derpy town ?

I think you may have brought up some points, mind re-hashing them for me ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

waiting on riddle / orbo

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Joker, i see you there, you think JD is scum yeah, how does he make sense with scum94 ?

Who do you go on JDtown / JDscum / JDIndy ?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

On JDtown I would definitely go to Kantrip, because he was trying to rush that lynch as fast as humanly possible.

JDscum, I'm not sure. At that point, we'd still just be looking for the Indy, and I'm not sure we have anything that could necessarily be indicative of that.

JDindy, I'd probably want to take out Ryu in hopes of ending the game right then and there, but I'd certainly be willing to look around a bit.


oh btw

Unvote
glad getting behind Rake got him to explain his case. A lot of what he pointed out is where I thought he was going. That, and the fact that Kantrip had Rake as town (without having expressed doubt) when he's been playing this way all game. It's a reachy case, but I wanted to hear Rake say it, and he doesn't do pushes unless someone is behind him on it.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

actually i woulda done it regardless, i just wanted to see how much support there was to be had. Also, it being reachy, doesn't constitute it being wrong , although i will say if vinyl proves to have damning evidence against someone, i will in fact eat my own words and admit that i might have been reading it wrong.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I don't deny that you could be onto something, but I acknowledge it as a bit of a stretch. I'm not sure if I saw what you saw because it was there, or if it was simply because you said something was there, so I was looking for it.

 

[BarDulL]

I figured that was gonna happen, sorry Rake. You've brought a new idea to the table (IndyKantrip) however, but yeah Kantrip hit the nail on the head with the "IndyKantrip can't be connected to RR/194" line. The rest of it was super reachy.

@Everyone - While Indy hunting, try and think about how you would play as an Indy would play. What is he trying to avoid? What is he trying to attain? What's the best way to play towards his wincon? Think it over.

Anywho, I feel like we have enough information and we should progress this phase forward. Once Orbo flavor claims and...whoever else needs to flavor claim still, Vinyl will get his shiz out of the way. If he has something tasty, we'll roll with it. If not, we're curb stomping JD.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Bardull i love your avatar.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Bardull, the fact that vinyl is voting JD IIRC is telling Y/N ?

Also i'd explain being an indy, but it's alot of wifom, basically when i think i've found it i'll make a case

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

nevermind, thought he was voting JD, turns out he wasn't that i could find.

 

[Riddle]

I am Cleon [Human].

My internet connection is really spotty right now, so expect less frequent posts. I'll try my best to keep caught up.

 

[Kantrip]

@Vinyl: Why the **** did you claim doc if you apparently have some sort of investigative role? Why make yourself a target as a town PR? I don't understand.

@Rake: I'll go digging for reasoning on my reads, including JDietz. Since you seem to be too lazy to find it yourself when it's already there for you. Also, are you a vig? I have a reason for asking this, but you don't need to answer if you really don't feel like it.

@Joker: Why is Rake being a townread of mine D1 scummy? Why is me being confident in JDscum scummy? If JD is town, does that make you suspect me as mafia?

 

[Kantrip]

Wait a sec...


>hunting for indies
>hasn't read
>backpedaling

Putting Jdietz above RR on my scumscale. Putting Jdietz as solid scum. Would submit to a Jdietz quicklynch.

He practically ignored the 194 wagon, comes into this Day with vibes and suspicions on players, saying that he doesn't think they're connected to 194, but rather thinks they're indies. This is a scum-slip, as he clearly wasn't looking for connections, looking for scum, or probably even reading the game. Then he tries to cover it all up with "I haven't even read, disregard this and let me be real now". Throw AtE and useless comments on top of that, and you have someone I would feel confident in letting Bardull shoot. It's a shame the gun was but a lie.

Die die die

Vote: Jdietz

This is the crux of stuff against JD, but it's quite compressed and doesn't go specifically into his posts. However, Rake, I am told you are quite proficient in reading JD. As town, would he:

-ignore the major wagon that leads to a lynch D1 (that ends up in a scum flip)
-throw serious accusations at players without having read (they weren't jokes or derpy, they just were unsubstantiated)
-disregard scumhunting and attribute all of his scumreads to indyreads
-use AtE and excuses when the above two points fall through in order to absolve himself of responsibility

I mean, I understand being jokey and hard-headed, but is that really what he was doing? It didn't seem like he was fooling around to me.

 

[BarDulL]

@Rake: I'll go digging for reasoning on my reads, including JDietz. Since you seem to be too lazy to find it yourself when it's already there for you. Also, are you a vig? I have a reason for asking this, but you don't need to answer if you really don't feel like it.

but y tho?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

tell you what Kantrip, why dont you drop a hint as to why you feel that way.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

also, what you brought up about JD was why i said i was swinging back and forth on him, but i'll try to answer those questions.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

This is the crux of stuff against JD, but it's quite compressed and doesn't go specifically into his posts. However, Rake, I am told you are quite proficient in reading JD. As town, would he:

-ignore the major wagon that leads to a lynch D1 (that ends up in a scum flip)
-throw serious accusations at players without having read (they weren't jokes or derpy, they just were unsubstantiated)
-disregard scumhunting and attribute all of his scumreads to indyreads
-use AtE and excuses when the above two points fall through in order to absolve himself of responsibility

I mean, I understand being jokey and hard-headed, but is that really what he was doing? It didn't seem like he was fooling around to me.

Point 1: he wasn't really here that much D1 was he ? So him "ignoring" hat could be a simple by product of that.
Point 2: outdated reads wouldn't be out of the norm considering the above.
Point 3: he may just believe the no kill / way the NA's resolved suggests no scum left and other people were suggesting that only an indy was left as well, so he could have been attributing his reads that way.
Point 4: no good response from me on this one. i'd say lazy JD but i dont read it that way.

I will say though, i'm not so sure on the connections between JD / 194, so if i had to pick a type of scum, i'd be more leaning indy on JD. IF this turns out to be right, i agree we need to go ryu immediately following JD's lynch

 

[Kantrip]

I can't think of a way to hint at it. Maybe I'll just drop it for now. But I will share it at some point, you can hold me to that. Probably after a mass-claim.

@Rake's Point 3: That would mean that JD agreed with RRscum, which at the time (not sure if I recall correctly), I don't believe he did?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Tako still grimy in everything he does...


Does someone want to give me the nutshell version of the 194 case while I catch up?

Avoids 194, doesn't feel forced

Deitz get back to me soon, I got to bounce some sage wisdom off with you on some ideas.

Still wondering about this

I was thinking more along the lines of indy really. Let me re-read and see if I still even remotely feel that way or if I'm talking out of my ***.

(Sorry in advance for this guys... I probably shouldn't jump on mafia right after taking afternoon long sleeps)

I'd say something here...

Frankly if I was Indy and suspected there were two mafia in the game, and one of the was dead: I'd totally abduct the other. Why not spare yourself from the threat of being shot in the night, even if it wastes a likely town lynch target.

And then again here

Vote: Jdietz

Top 2 would be riddle and jdietz.

BSP I want more though.

Knew he voted JD

You tread a dangerous line, Rakeadake. Consider us at odds for the time being. WTF at trying to be deliberately anti-town to pull people in...and rolling with the mass claim this early on, w-t-f.

I'm Packy [Animal].

i remember another person who was a animal

I'm thinking about replacing out, my energy levels for this game are pretty low.

I'll try to catch up with this later tonight after I've had some rest and don't feel like someone sucked the life right out of me (work).

Never seen JD give up. Must be serious.

I can't think of a way to hint at it. Maybe I'll just drop it for now. But I will share it at some point, you can hold me to that. Probably after a mass-claim.

@Rake's Point 3: That would mean that JD agreed with RRscum, which at the time (not sure if I recall correctly), I don't believe he did?

Cool. While you do that, ask yourself why i didn't shoot yesterday as a vig.

WRT your last point, maybe ? idk he mentioned something about NA resolution after you mentioned something about it

 

[Kantrip]

Vigs sometimes no shoot when they don't have a target they want to kill. But my theory involves you taking a shot, so judging by that question I'm assuming it doesn't check through.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

so you believe i was roleblocked ?
or that some sort of BP is involved then

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

and maybe you assumed that i tried to dissuade talking about BP's because it was wifoming my ability to find the person i may or may not have targeted to discern whether i simply hit someone who was jailer protected or whether i hit a indy with a BP, and that thusly has stopped me from coming out and saying "i shot x player, they lived, ergo BP indy ."

Or am i off base here kantrip ?Your going to have to help me out as i don't quite see what your driving at. Talk to me about this theory

 

[Kantrip]

If you're not a vig it doesn't matter, if you are a vig then you already know what's up and I will share my thoughts later, as I said.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

cool.
gotta say after re-reading JD and even looking at my own personal lynch picks as of a couple a pages go, i'm putting JD back on top and slapping kantrip to nullish town for now, i still think you sat too long on you Ryu read kantrip, especially not voting him during it, but i'm willing to take it as you being pre-occupied.

 

[Kantrip]

Dude. My Ryu scum read didn't come until my 194 one, and it was never larger than the 194 one. The whole "sitting on my Ryu read" thing has never made sense to me.

Ryu could also be town, I don't see what makes that scummy. Please explain why you went so balls deep on me with reaches and are backing off now? I don't like it.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

You obviously skimmed my rather large post, but i'll sum it up as i feel like as town you moreso vote who your interested in, and you showed a vested interest in Ryu but left him alone beyond a fos.

Ryu could be town in which case i'd be wrong and you sitting on Ryu would fall to more of a null tell, but it still leaves me questioning why you never applied a vote to Ryu tha period, which is especially odd since you expressed your desire to see him shot