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He seems to do fine against speedsters too. His main footsie tools have top-notch frame data for a heavy and seem to easily lead into damaging combos (utilt in particular is almost disgustingly wide), so he won't be outbuttoned easily. You really need strong zoning to have an undisputed good matchup against him.
That's great as is the Isabelle on his back one.
Why is that?
That is what I don't understand, what is the obsession with something as trivial as not having a fully evolved fire starter that is quadruped?
'd by Nintendo. RIP
Houndoom exists if you wanted an quadruped dark/fire pokemon. I know it's not a starter but still.
The more glaring example is Pyroar, a quadruped feline fire pokemon.
I think it's largely concept fatigue, and a lesser issue in the larger overall complaint of GF recycling the same Fire/Fighting archetype ad nauseum. While Incineroar himself isn't actually Fire/Fighting, aesthetically he still fits the mold (and is actually based on a type of fighter).
and his alts...man, they're great. I'm beyond excited we got a newcomer Pokemon, and Incineroar is definitely going to be my main. You guys supported The Fiery Furball to the end, and look where it stands now, among some(most)of the greatest Nintendo, and gaming characters in, to me, one of the greatest gaming franchises in existence. Take pride in your triumph, brothers and sisters, it's been well earned and I can't wait to see more of Incineroar in Smash Bros. Ultimate's future
Are these the reasons(minus the Fighting type issue) that people hate fellow fire starter Delphox?I think it's largely concept fatigue, and a lesser issue in the larger overall complaint of GF recycling the same Fire/Fighting archetype ad nauseum. While Incineroar himself isn't actually Fire/Fighting, aesthetically he still fits the mold (and is actually based on a type of fighter).
The quadruped thing also has something to do with Incineroar starting as a quadruped before making a heel-turn (heh) into a biped at the last second. Some people who liked the initial designs of Litten and Torracat felt that Incineroar was too drastic a departure from what they initially believed the designs to be leading up to.
And also some people just don't like Incineroar's design.
To an extent. I think in Delphox's case it may stem largely from its hit-or-miss design, which isn't really done any favors by its 3DS model (it's kinda... stiff and flat looking. Delphox looks much better animated, I think.)
I see. I heard some people say it's "not what they wanted/expected" similar to Incineroar. At least Incineroar has GF, TPC backing him up.
Listen, you can't expect a group of wrestling fans to ever be beaten down, not when icons like Macho Man Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Rey Mysterio, Edge, John Cena, and Roman Reigns have been in our lives. If there's one thing you can always trust a heel to do, it's get away with the belt and live to fight another day.
Any more news for our cat?
The duration is so long that it is easily punished unless you hit. Even if you dodge a projectile they can dash in and punish and it's basically instant death if used offstage. I suppose it's worth checking out as a reversal like Samus/Bowser upBs. This move would be really good if he didn't spin for so long since it does come out quite fast and the initial hitbox is very strong.
Upon spamming NeutralB in a lot of matches following your comments, I've realized it's not as bad as I thought. The startup intangibility makes it win any trade, but only the initial hit is any good. The move is not strong enough to KO before any of his many other good KO options. It can be an option to land with on-stage but you still die if you use it to defend vs an edgeguard. Not yet sure if there's any value in moving left or right while performing it since the later hits are weak and don't have the invul.
It's been a breath of fresh air being able to get a KO at will once opponentis above 100%. Good throws and confirms are a big luxury in this Smash bros. This was enough to get Bowser to High Tier in smash4 before the nerfs, and this guy has a lot more of that.
The late hits may not do much damage, but they still win against every attack. Most notably projectiles. Look at the clip where he uses it on Ryu, if the hits are as weak as you say and it did not have special priority it should've just stopped on that Hadoken. Use it in conjunction with Revenge to make them scared about trying to zone Incineroar out.
It seems after the initial hit it retains only protection to projectiles (but not other attacks), but it's hard to test this on single player. Issue with using it against a hadoken is that Ryu could dash attack punish from half the stage away. Would have been great if you could use it more safely in the air to dodge stuff without resorting to airdodge. Perhaps when you guys try it out you'll find it better against zoners, but they'll probably still be his worst matchup as you say. Nair is also very good for defense since it has no landing lag.
He could have used much more Revenge to stop those roller attacks. In fact, I think one should always look for an opportunity to activate it if it isn't already, or you're already in.
