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Dr. Mario didn't take anyone's spot. Him and the other 2 clones were, according to Sakurai a "dessert after a main dish".
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*Facepalm*Dr. Mario didn't take anyone's spot. Him and the other 2 clones were, according to Sakurai a "dessert after a main dish".
Besides, he serves a role of letting fans use Mario's old moveset from Melee. More important than
Again, they were alts turned characters and had no effect on the roster's outcome.
was a very easy to make clone and didn't take anyone's spot while andare two extremely requested characters and were both No. 1 and No. 2 respectively in popularity before the game came out. They had no issues surrounding their release and were easily made in to the game. Now that those 3 characters are in, I doubt were getting anyone from Melee now.is in the game now and is pretty much guaranteed to be in the game. are most likely not getting in the game with the amount of Pokemon and the number of Gen 1 reps, is in legal limbo because of Nintendo/Konami, and the you already know of.
I see your points. Can we end this conversation for good now???Again, they were alts turned characters and had no effect on the roster's outcome.
As for your Melee statement, maybe it's because Melee had more requested characters to choose from that were viable to put in the game?
I mean think about it,
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the IC's back. I'm just justifying the return of Melee vets especially considering the ones that were cut haven't been in the game for a really long time and were missed a lot.
Okay dude. I just wanted to make a point lol.
WHY DOES EVERYONE SAY THAT??? http://smashboards.com/threads/ivysaur-as-a-dlc-vote-now-for-him-in-the-smash-ballot.386368/ back in because they love Fire Emblem Binding Blade, Mother 3 never came outside of Japan so that can't be why is back in, and if being a Gen 1 rep with an original move set wasn't enough to outweigh popularity in the native franchise, Why is still here??? "not being popular", despite being one of The Gen 1 starter Pokemon and the #002 in the entire Pokedex, is enough to justify them being permanently cut! 
Well, not many people really want Squirtle and Ivysaur back. Roy and Lucas were right behind Mewtwo in popularity in Smash DLC. Jigglypuff is in Smash mainly because of tradition and people like her.
Isn't having a 100% unique and original, non-clone move set enough to outweigh popularity?
Nobody wanted
Seriously someone explain to me why
Why Is This Such a Recurring Statement?
I would much rather have them not come back and instead bring in Blastoise and Venusaur. It would be cooler to have all 3 Gen 1 Starters fully evolved.
Isn't having a 100% unique and original, non-clone move set enough to outweigh popularity?
Nobody wanted
Seriously someone explain to me why
Why Is This Such a Recurring Statement?
I'm afraid not. I'd be fine with them returning, but there is an overload of Gen. 1 representatives. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Charizard cut next iteration, and maybe, MAYBE, Mewtwo as well. Unless of course, they're going to have around 65 characters. Then I can see all previous Smash veterans as well as a few newcomers in it.
Isn't having a 100% unique and original, non-clone move set enough to outweigh popularity?
Nobody wanted
Seriously someone explain to me why
Why Is This Such a Recurring Statement?
Yes because Vensaur can totally move and jump around like Ivysaur can. It would make so much sense to make a deformed Venusaur a character instead of a veteran.
No need to do that. I'd make it so that Nana doesn't go into her tumbling animation so easily. (she won't be able to recover from it if she has Luma's AI.
- Don't make that assumption. While theirs a lot of people that want Roy soley for Smash Bros (his game wasn't even released overseas for crying out loud), theirs a handful of people that like him both in Smash and his game.
Isn't having a 100% unique and original, non-clone move set enough to outweigh popularity?
Nobody wanted
Seriously someone explain to me why
Why Is This Such a Recurring Statement?
I mean...one Ice Climber works but...most of us have agreed it's a last resort. We do want to keep them as close to the original character as possible.Personally, I think if there really are technical limitations, they should change the Ice Climbers like they did with Pokemon Trainer and Zelda. Make it Ice Climber with 4 Popo and 4 Nana alts. Then you can team up with a buddy and pretend you're both playing at the same time.
A lot of Ice Climbers will complain, I'm sure, that that fundamentally changes the character. Maybe it does. Zelda and Pokemon Trainer have been fundamentally changed, in a way. Besides, the name of the game was Ice Climber, singular.
Also I see some of you are talking about other cut vets. With Mewtwo, Lucas and Roy back in the game, I really am hoping Squirtle and Ivysaur (they'd have to come together) make it back too. Wolf will, of course. I feel like Snake, Pichu and Young Link are less certain, but hey--anything's possible at this point.
I support the Ice Climbers for DLC. Here is my ballot contribution:This all starts...with a story.
This was written the day the final roster was revealed. As expected, the 3DS version kept them out. And they were so close. A crowd chant, a Polar Bear, and being able to run on the Wii U...all for naught. Game over.
...But today, they've gained an extra life.
Today, Sakurai showed that DLC is possible. Mewtwo will be joining the battle in Spring of 2015.
But what does this mean for the Ice Climbers? Only good things. Allow me to explain.
- They are likely the most completed characters not in the final game. Based on what we know, these guys were FAR in development. Sakurai said they ran completely fine on the Wii U (guess 8 Player wasn't an issue :D ).
- They now have time. Going by what Sakurai said, he didn't work around their issue with a lot of effort due to them being irrelevant and not worth it, essentially. Other characters had to be made first. But now those characters are made. There is now a team working on Mewtwo until Spring. In some of the spare time, they can allocate resources to finding a fix for the Ice Climbers. There's no one else, barring Mewtwo, ahead of them after all. And the groundwork is already laid.
- Somewhat minor, but Mewtwo shows that veterans with only trophies can indeed be DLC.
So it's time to join in and climb one last mountain together as Ice Climber fans. Let's join our Arctic Amigos, our Blizzard-bound Buddies, our Frozen friends...and bring them home once again. Smash is all they have, after all. Let's not let them lose that.
Well, those are pretty good reasons. That vote has gotta count for something...I support the Ice Climbers for DLC. Here is my ballot contribution:
I want Squirtle and Ivysaur back! Pokemon Trainer was one of my mains in Brawl and I incorporated all three of them in my play strategies. I can't be the only one in the entire Smash community that feels the loss of the two and the unique play styles that left with them.
I didn't mean to knock Fire Emblem Burning Blade or Mother 3 or Jigglypuff, but my point is that if these reasons are enough to bring these two clones and Jigglypuff back again, Ivysaur and Squirtle deserve a fair chance to return too. They deserve more respect that this. There's a distinction between bringing in new Gen 1 reps and not throwing away the ones already there.
You're on the Ice Climbers DLC thread, so you must know what it's like to find out your main on the default roster with a unique move set cut and then read torrents of salty first comments that revel and celebrate their exclusion, eager to let you know you are alone in your loss.
Original non-clone move sets. Why is this still so hard to understand that this might put them as a priority?
...Yet. Who knows, DLC train hasn't stopped yet!
I never said nobody wants them back, I said not many (should of clarified to not as much) people want them back.
You're not. Pokèmon Trainer was a good character, and I also incorporated all three Pokèmon into my style as well. But, with Charizard on his own now I don't see much of a chance for them to come back. I'll admit that a chance does exist, but I think it's a bit slim.
Well I think most people thought Roy or Lucas wouldn't come back. Some (fools) thought Mewtwo wouldn't come back. Pretty sure no one was expecting Ryu. But now that, of the DLC so far, we've gotten 3 veteran fighters, I'd say seeing more is likely.
I don't see Ice Climbers being the E3 hype character at all. That's Inkling.
Yeah, I know. I was kind of joking. But, boy, who else besides the Inkling would be a good newcomer for the next Smash, to hype it up? Based off of Wii U best-sellers, probably Nabbit and Monita.
Ridley...
If Sakurai is no longer directing, possibly. Otherwise Ridley will be changed from a stage hazard to something else like an item, but certainly not playable.
Ridley turns into an item called **** the fans. Ridley pops out and covers the entire screen for the rest of the match.
We would like to announce that finally, Ridley will no longer be a boss. Introducing, the new Assist Trophy, Ridley.
Cuz Ridley is everywhere.
He's too big for for his own Smashboards thread.
True, but I think he didn't take that chance because he wanted to keep working on the ICies and keep them as close to their original character as possible. And there are now a very limited number of veterans left. And of those few, the only ones I see having a chance as DLC are the two most obvious, Wolf and ICies.
You know that is a stupid reason right. I could say Ganondorf fits better as a boss because he doesn't feel like Ganondorf when playing him.
Sakurai's words, not mine.
You said Ridley needs to stay a boss cuz it works, Ganondorf works as a boss and so does Bowser. This is about Nintendo allstars. No newcomer (besides maybe Inkling) has enough Star power than Ridley. Sakurai is just stubborn.
Lol, I know you want ICies and Wolf back (I do too), but if I were you I'd be glad I got Lucas. Let's keep hoping that ICies and Wolf can return, because I think their chances have gone up pretty well.It makes me a little sad inside.
If not for the technical issues.
I may have been sitting here with my main and tertiaries only waiting on word about my secondary.
Having my main back is wonderful. You have no idea how much fun I have just running round in For Fun Online not attacking just messing around.
Wolf is an obvious candidate, yes, but I don't think Ice Climbers are, solely due to the technical limitations--probably now both because of 3DS limitations and 8-player Smash limitations on Wii U. It's a shame, really...but I don't see how they would get around it for Smash 4.