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Lol, we won't need any if they are announced today or at E3.
Same here. 20 minutes of my life wasted. 5 of them on Ryu and how he has oh so many wonderful attacks if you enter the combination from the original game. I'll buy him (once I get the money) to test him out maybe 5 times. Then he and Doc will become my punching bags. Maybe Roy too. I honestly don't like that he's yet another FLIPPING MARTH CLONE!
I know, I was having the same issue.I'm glad that Roy's Shield Breaker represents the Melee shield breaker. Other than that, Ryu looks rather fun to use and I'm happy to have my brawl and melee mains back. I just hope that tournament mode is handled better than it was in brawl.
Pity there is no news on IC. Hopefully we'll get something at E3 :]
edit: Also I'm happy that I'll be getting Dreamland and Hyrule Castle back
edit 2: DAMMIT WHY CAN'T THIS GAME JUST UPDATE ;;;;
If you can make it past the page AFTER the page that asks if you own the Smash for Wii U software, then you're good and got whatever DLC you purchased.
On 3DS, there's "arrow tile" found that was planned back on cartridge which say that you will toggle spaces. On WiiU? They'll squish it down like how they did from on disc roster to what it is now with 4 extra characters.
Spread the word. #ChainGrabTheVote
1. Why would you dare break the avatar mischief?!?!
ROBnWatch
why do I feel like you saying Ryu and Roy will be your punching bags won't be reality XD
Probably because it won't. It just lets off a bit of steam. But whenever they do appear as my opponent, you can bet they'll get rekt.I'm happy that Roy feels nothing like Marth to play. "Luigified" from the other page seems like an appropriate description. Ryu feels like Street Fighter (seriously they have even made him need more dexterity than any other character to play well) and Lucas's BAir is the easiest meteor in the game (and a potentially broken edgeguarding tool). This was all in all a fun DLC pack. Lets hope for IC news at E3 guys - it'll be worth it if this set is anything to go by.
Also @
Who the flip isn't? A clone over an original character? Stupid.
TheBeardedPunisher
that sheds some details on this. In the article, it describes that in 8-Player Smash, certain character models (example used is Wii Fit Trainer) are simplified to get them running in this mode. The same would have to apply to the duo. Of course, this source also explains that the duo can return without having to go with Solo Popo, buy optimizing Nana to something similar to Rosalina's Luma, thus simplifying her complex AI.
TheBeardedPunisher
addresses this. These optimizations allow the two to be a duo, and will prove not too difficult for the 3DS to handle.
Well, somebody could counter your counter on the 4th argument, if it were ever brought up. The Mother/EarthBound series IS getting that fan-made Mother 4. It's not an official release but still. Also, they did just release the original Mother/EarthBound Zero (now known as EarthBound Beginnings) for the virtual console...So, I've been thinking about the counters we can make to possible arguments people will make next week when the Ice Climbers are re-rated in rate their chances. I fear that if these aren't addressed, the Ice Climbers might be getting 0's across the boards. These are a work in progress, so feel free to jump in and give some ideas if you come up with an argument to counter.
The Ice Climbers can't work on the 3DS
- This is the elephant in the room. The main reason people don't believe that the Ice Climbers can come back. This also stems down to people believing that the 3DS issues can't be fixed. A big reason as to why the duo were cut was because of "priority." It would seem that these two were low on priority to get working, and so any work around that could have been made, wasn't due to holding them off. With DLC time, there is actually a greater chance that the Ice Climbers can return, especially with the fact that models and programming for them must already exist, as they were said to work on the Wii U version. Speaking of the Wii U version.
The Ice Climbers can't come back because of 8-Player Smash
- This argument really doesn't hold much ground. People say that them working on the Wii U was before the implementation of 8-Player Smash, and thus can't be included now because of said mode. Honestly, I don't think this is a problem. I'd like to refer to a source that was originally found by @
said source: https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/can-ice-climber-be-in-smash-4/
The Ice Climbers would break the competitive game because of their chain grabs
- OK, first of all, chain grabbing has been removed in this game, so the Ice Climbers wouldn't be capable of this anymore, and would thus rely on the merit of the character and skill of the player. Secondly, there are several characters on the roster that are over powered competitively, and no one really complains. Even if it was a problem, with updates to the game, characters can be buffed and nerfed were needed to make sure the game stays balanced.
Due to the lack of priority and no sequel for their series planned, the don't really need to come back
- OK, to be fair, I haven't actually seen anyone use this as an argument. Regardless, I figured I would counter it just in case. Since when has this ever been a problem in Smash? Does it seem likely that Duck Hunt will ever get a sequel? How about the Mother series? The franchise ended at Mother 3, does that mean that Ness and Lucas don't deserve to be in the game. This is a relatively weak argument, and I'm glad that this is one I haven't yet seen, as it's a pretty pathetic one.
The two would probably have to come back as solo, and that breaks the character
- For this argument, one can refer back to the 8-Player Smash issue argument, but I decided I'd address this on it's own as well. The Ice Climbers can work as a duo. If anything, Rosalina and Luma confirm this. The only thing is, Nana's AI (or Popo, depending on the color chosen I suppose) would need some optimization, and at the most, needs simplification. Again, the source provided by @
If there's anything else anyone else would like to attribute, I'd appreciate it. I wanna make sure that these guys don't just get 0's all day when they are re-rated! (I myself would probably give them 50% chance, and 100% want!)
Thanks! Changed it to refer to the Game & Watch series, as Game & Watch games are essentially replaced by modern handhelds.
Lol. Ya, no problem.
. We have characters who were obvious choices and had such huge fan demand . I'm certain that there will be plans in place for bringing back the others not influenced by the ballot and are backed heavily by the fans .
Yeah. I assume that this'll just be C/P'd onto the thread, because you have basically got everything down.So, I've been thinking about the counters we can make to possible arguments people will make next week when the Ice Climbers are re-rated in rate their chances. I fear that if these aren't addressed, the Ice Climbers might be getting 0's across the boards. These are a work in progress, so feel free to jump in and give some ideas if you come up with an argument to counter.
The Ice Climbers can't work on the 3DS
- This is the elephant in the room. The main reason people don't believe that the Ice Climbers can come back. This also stems down to people believing that the 3DS issues can't be fixed. A big reason as to why the duo were cut was because of "priority." It would seem that these two were low on priority to get working, and so any work around that could have been made, wasn't due to holding them off. With DLC time, there is actually a greater chance that the Ice Climbers can return, especially with the fact that models and programming for them must already exist, as they were said to work on the Wii U version. Speaking of the Wii U version.
The Ice Climbers can't come back because of 8-Player Smash
- This argument really doesn't hold much ground. People say that them working on the Wii U was before the implementation of 8-Player Smash, and thus can't be included now because of said mode. Honestly, I don't think this is a problem. I'd like to refer to a source that was originally found by @
said source: https://sourcegaming.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/can-ice-climber-be-in-smash-4/
The Ice Climbers would break the competitive game because of their chain grabs
- OK, first of all, chain grabbing has been removed in this game, so the Ice Climbers wouldn't be capable of this anymore, and would thus rely on the merit of the character and skill of the player. Secondly, there are several characters on the roster that are over powered competitively, and no one really complains. Even if it was a problem, with updates to the game, characters can be buffed and nerfed were needed to make sure the game stays balanced.
Due to the lack of priority and no sequel for their series planned, the don't really need to come back
- OK, to be fair, I haven't actually seen anyone use this as an argument. Regardless, I figured I would counter it just in case. Since when has this ever been a problem in Smash? Does it seem likely that Duck Hunt will ever get a sequel? How about the Game & Watch series? Most likely, there will never be another Game & Watch game again, as they have been replaced by modern day consoles. This is a relatively weak argument, and I'm glad that this is one I haven't yet seen, as it's a pretty pathetic one.
The two would probably have to come back as solo, and that breaks the character
- For this argument, one can refer back to the 8-Player Smash issue argument, but I decided I'd address this on it's own as well. The Ice Climbers can work as a duo. If anything, Rosalina and Luma confirm this. The only thing is, Nana's AI (or Popo, depending on the color chosen I suppose) would need some optimization, and at the most, needs simplification. Again, the source provided by @
If there's anything else anyone else would like to attribute, I'd appreciate it. I wanna make sure that these guys don't just get 0's all day when they are re-rated! (I myself would probably give them 50% chance, and 100% want!)
"Scary good" wins the award for understatement of the year XD its completely broken
Well, it is a bit hard to land. Charizard's meteor smash is much easier to land in my opinion, probably the easiest in the game to land. But still Lucas' Back Air is just... (since "scary good" was an understatement, I dunno what to put here).Yeah. I assume that this'll just be C/P'd onto the thread, because you have basically got everything down.
"Scary good" wins the award for understatement of the year XD its completely broken
plz don't nerf it Sakurai ;;;
This argument holds no grounds because there is literally nothing to back it up.
Sometimes..... sometimes, I do doubt them. I really do.
And it saddens me that I have to say such a thing.
But I really think Sakurai may have moved on.
I really hope he still tries. Tries to make them work.....
Prove me wrong Sakurai do it.
You have done it before,
I shall gladly be wrong.
Lol. I'm sure with enough support and recognition, Sakurai will start to work on them again, if he hasn't begun doing so already.
Thanks, I was thinking of just posting this into the thread and then giving my rating. I've seen others do this before to help their favorite characters, and I feel the Ice Climbers are definitely worthy of this kind of defense as well.
Yeah, I know. There's no evidence that they wouldn't work in 8-Player Smash, so this is one argument I believe people grasp for straws with.
I'm not *points to avatar* He plays a lot differently than Marth in this game.
I've been drawing since the age of 2, you can already can count on me to do that
Definitely. Does Miiverse use your NNID account to make your Miiverse account? Because I still haven't logged in to Miiverse, but soon as I do, I'm going to flood the Dr. Mario support thread with ICies support comments. I'll show them who the oringinal character is, not some horrible clone. My only fear is that I'll have the same tab open for a few days if I actually want to do something artistic instead of just writing a message.
Yeah. It does. U just hop on and get started :]
Sweet. Prepare to die, Dr. Mario support community!
Your support for the Ice Climbers shouldn't be fueled by your hatred for Dr.Mario, but by your love of the Ice Climbers alone.
It is. I'm just saying I'm going to put it on the Dr. Mario support because if I do it to any other character, it's wasting time. This way I can get my point across (of ICies returning as DLC) without having to worry about it showing up on another character's posts, because those characters deserve the support they get.Your support for the Ice Climbers shouldn't be fueled by your hatred for Dr.Mario, but by your love of the Ice Climbers alone.
