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Brawl+ - Official 5.0 RC1 Build is now online! (Re-Use Autoupdater, Snake bug fixed)
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I'm just waiting for the new codes so I can begin testing new gravity values for characters who I previously could not touch.
Though I am of the opinion we should revisit some characters we can modify right now. I'm not 100% happy with how Marth turned out, for instance. I think he's still a tad too floaty on the way up, and his short hop should be just little bit shorter. But that's just me.
Though I am of the opinion we should revisit some characters we can modify right now. I'm not 100% happy with how Marth turned out, for instance. I think he's still a tad too floaty on the way up, and his short hop should be just little bit shorter. But that's just me.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
still getting some nana teleporting occasionally. might it have something to do with textures?
Complaints list, for the better of mankind
Shiek: Still laughably bad, perhaps the worst character in Brawl+. Give.Her.Knockback. On Uair, Nair, Bair, Usmash and most importantly Fair. Seriously the slap is not a combo move.
DK: Too monstrously good i think a good nerf would be to eliminate knockback out of his down B but i am unsure if this is possible. Apart from that he needs a hulk texture.
Captain Falcon: Okay in this case just forget about the brawl+ is not melee 2.0 thing and just meleefy him. More friction, earlier sweetspot on the knee, take the nipple spike out and give the nair more knockback.
Bowser Needs faster ground-humping run speed
Lucario could use some all around damage buffs. Until he gets over 100 damage he's digustingly shiek like.
Toon Link He really misses his SH double Bair.
Marth Would benefit from a sourspot spike, considering you've attempted to nerf life itself out of him.
/complaining
Also, Falco is godly thank you WBR you did an amazing job. Same with Ganon.
Shiek: Still laughably bad, perhaps the worst character in Brawl+. Give.Her.Knockback. On Uair, Nair, Bair, Usmash and most importantly Fair. Seriously the slap is not a combo move.
DK: Too monstrously good i think a good nerf would be to eliminate knockback out of his down B but i am unsure if this is possible. Apart from that he needs a hulk texture.
Captain Falcon: Okay in this case just forget about the brawl+ is not melee 2.0 thing and just meleefy him. More friction, earlier sweetspot on the knee, take the nipple spike out and give the nair more knockback.
Bowser Needs faster ground-humping run speed
Lucario could use some all around damage buffs. Until he gets over 100 damage he's digustingly shiek like.
Toon Link He really misses his SH double Bair.
Marth Would benefit from a sourspot spike, considering you've attempted to nerf life itself out of him.
/complaining
Also, Falco is godly thank you WBR you did an amazing job. Same with Ganon.
Revven
FrankerZ
Sheik isn't terrible, she's really good at what she does. DK doesn't need nerfing, I have already covered why he's good but he's also got clear weaknesses: Shield doesn't cover his whole body, Up B is a worse recovery and is easily edgeguarded (not against everyone but to some degree this is true), a big target thus easy to combo, and does bad against SOME projectile characters (not all because his Ftilt ***** them). DK does not need nerfing, Christ.
Mattnumbers
Smash Master
Sheik is by no means the worst, or even bad. I would say she is in the top half of the roster
DK is well balanced right now
CF: I don't think they can currently give him more friction although I think they are going to. Nipple spike is awesome and nair doesn't need more knockback
Lucario is not a bad character at all
Toon Link: I don't know anything about him really so I don't know
Marth still is one of the best, personally I think he needs further nerfs (along with some other characters)
You are very misinformed, get ready to be flamed by Sheik/DK/CF/Lucario/TL/Marth mains
CountKaiser
Smash Lord
Shiek is easily top ten material. She combos like it's no ones business, and she can edgeguard with the best of them.
Lol DK hulk, anyway DK's weakness' are horribly apparent. His recovery is gimpable, is easily comboed, and lacks a good gtfo move, and falls to good pressuring.
I like the nipple spike. D:
But frankly, Falcon feels awesome as he is right now. I don't think he needs anything else other than more friction.
Also, guys, stop ****** Marth. D:
Lol DK hulk, anyway DK's weakness' are horribly apparent. His recovery is gimpable, is easily comboed, and lacks a good gtfo move, and falls to good pressuring.
I like the nipple spike. D:
But frankly, Falcon feels awesome as he is right now. I don't think he needs anything else other than more friction.
Also, guys, stop ****** Marth. D:
LOL SHIEK IS NOT BAD. I think she goes even with Marth and probably has a slight advantage over him.
DK is **** as well, and pretty ****ing balanced.
Falcon is eh. He's a celebrity.
Bowser needs a better grab game. <3
Luciaro? Damage buffs? lolwut. That would hurt his combo game all together, unless you reduce KB on his moves, but even so, with his Aura ability, that's the last thing he needs.
Deal with it. Blame gravity changes for TLinks lack of SH Double Bair if you want. :V
Marth isnt Roy. What marth needs is for people to get of his case because he's way overrated. What he really needs imo is more control over an opponent in air and a lower angle on bair so he can actually edgeguard without sending an opponent up like ALL of his moves except a small hitbox on an aerial. :/
Skip2MaLoo
Smash Lord
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falcon needs more melee. gentleman please
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
THAT SHOULD TOTALLY BE IN THE BLOOD FALCON BUILD! **** C. Falcon, make B. Falcon the douche.
Arsehole should be for Brawl+ falcon.
I mean going from High tier to **** tier in a single game and then being buffed by a bunch of kids who dont think you should be auto top tier for being uber nerfed? You're going to be ****ing pissed.
Arsehole for Falcon+
I mean going from High tier to **** tier in a single game and then being buffed by a bunch of kids who dont think you should be auto top tier for being uber nerfed? You're going to be ****ing pissed.
Arsehole for Falcon+
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
but B. Falcon is more of an arsehole than vFalcon. once the clone engine gets working you can have arsehole vs douche bag!
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
wait wait wait. I GOT IT! give vFalcon the trip and give bFalcon a ZZS stun effect.
I main shiek/falco/marth/DK/CF
that's why I'm commenting on them silly.
Harder, but not at all impossible. Hell, when I was testing out gravity values for Marth, I could do double fair, and even fair to uair quite consistently with buffer. So it's very, very doable. It just requires a little bit of practice. The trade-off in ease pays off in Marth gaining a fast and furious shffl and double air game.
But I think we all know what happened to the last person that tried to argue on such terms, so unfortunately, I doubt this will even fly, even if it makes Marth that much of a faster, tighter character. I know I'm not alone in this, however. I distinctly recall several people complaining that Marth's short hop was too high and felt floaty when his latest gravity values came out.
Nevertheless, I'll continue to test new values, and push for new gravity settings for Marth and many other characters. Hopefully the WBR will someday consider not bending over backwards so much in sacrificing character speed and optimization for mind-numbing ease of use.
Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
Ignore me if I'm completely off the mark here, but was it you who suggested some gravity changes to other characters like Falco, Ike, and Lucario a while back? I was very interested on trying our your Falco grav changes as you said Falco felt amazing with it. But again, I'm not 100% it was you, but I vaguely recall the names being similar...so ignore me if you have no idea what I'm talking about.
In other news, next nightly to have throw mods and File Patch 3.2? I was starting to get impatient for another build, but your crimes are now forgiven
. Seriously though, good **** guys. With an update that big, take all the time you need.
_clinton
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How about when Yoshi is rolling you can throw out egg roll?
So you put in the commands when you roll...and it won't have any start up time (in order to use egg roll normally you need the start up time...however to roll and egg roll...the start up time is very short and is just during the moving phase really...that way it isn't the normal way)
Also...I was talking with someone else...and have you thought about having moves that screw with shields more?
Why should Marth and a few others be the only characters that have moves that screw with shields?
Also...what about Ness' bat/yoyo/PK fire/worthless buffs and other minor issues?
Epic Kovumon
Smash Journeyman
Any update on fixing the end of game crash bug?
grim mouser
Smash Journeyman
Is that still caused by the Dash Cancel?
Revven
FrankerZ
No, and yes.
PK was going to fix it, he was fixing the shield during DD code (which causes the same bug oddly enough, only difference is if you hold shield) then people started having him do something else (probably the partial shield button press distracted him) at this point, I wouldn't expect ANYMORE work on it for some time.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
seriously though, nana teleporting still going on, and CG question still not answered.
grim mouser
Smash Journeyman
OMG yesz! *Goes to test and make new songs*
Wait, no text file? D=
Wait, no text file? D=
Hentekorino
Smash Journeyman
OH GOD THANK YOU~! :d
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
ok, couple of questions (all stage/SSS related):
1. did you mean for the Wifi Waiting Room ont he first page to spawn the sandbag?
2. why do you have banned stages like skyworld, bridge of eldin, and hannenbow on the front page?
3. aren't YI/PS2 neutral and thus should be grouped with the other neutral stages?
1. did you mean for the Wifi Waiting Room ont he first page to spawn the sandbag?
2. why do you have banned stages like skyworld, bridge of eldin, and hannenbow on the front page?
3. aren't YI/PS2 neutral and thus should be grouped with the other neutral stages?
grim mouser
Smash Journeyman
Meh, not too fond of the CSS. Is there a particular reason for the decision to exclude .txt from now on?
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
also, still getting the nana teleporting glitch.
timothyung
Smash Ace
Wow that's a lot of changes. But... no txt? And what's included in the snapshot? The file patch code isn't included in the snapshot, right?
New engine?
New engine?
grim mouser
Smash Journeyman
Getting random freezes on normal and custom stages with textures... Is the new loader causing this?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
what does "You can now edit both textures and in-game music" mean?
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Deleted member
Guest
Umm what is with the major ness buffs lmao
Revven
FrankerZ
Higher hitlag fixes the problem.
timothyung
Smash Ace
It means "Now using File Patch 3.2a"
Oh and why every time I boot the game up the three Pokemons are "New"? And I don't really like the new SSS... need some work. And the control edit stage is really odd. If you add such an odd stage why not add the others, like Homerun stage, break the targets and all-star resting room
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