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And at the same time Azen does know how to play Marth. Azen already knew what to look out for from Marth because Marth hadn't changed much. M2K didn't have that luxury. I'm thinking M2K may preform better in later tournaments after he learns how to fight against the new characters.Still M2K knew his character then anyone can know other characters so far. I agree that he wasnt used to Azens Ike. Still the way a player uses his characters advantages and works on his weaknesses will prevail over a player not doing so. M2K got taken by surprise I agree.
There really isn't anyone here who knows what they are talking about in regards to Brawl and how "balanced" it is. There are plenty of people who know how well Melee fared, though, and I think it's skewing peoples' perception of how Brawl's game mechanics should interact with each other.The thing is, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't talk about it. Let people who do know what they are talking about talk about it.
That was on our first day of play. I never said we think ike is broken I said coen thought it cause Johnnyboy's ike is so good.You might want to consider actually giving proof these chars **** more then half the cast instead of just saying were fools not admitting there definetly top tier. Besides that I don't get at all how you can say the dutch I'm not representing each dutch players opinion or anything. I think marth isn't definetly top tier and the ones who think just got to figure out how to fight him. Sure I see toon link's and olimars potential but I also see the potential of the other chars and I see each char has quite some potential actually. I don't see these 4 as obvious top 4 so please give some arguments why they are?Byn yuna:
I'm not insisting people are blind fools if they don't think those two have more potential than the majority of the cast. I insist the Dutch are fools for thinking Ike is broken while being unable to see Marth's, Toon Link's and Olimar's potential. They're not definite as in "It's the universal truth". But they're definitely among the top characters, which should be obvious (yet the Dutch can't even see that).
I didn't bother to read anything past this, but I have to stop and argue with this.I believe anyone who's not a competitive player and dislikes their attitude uses the term tourneyfeg. Considering Smash competitive players are a very small percentage of the Earth, by your logic, many many people are idiots. That's not a conceited or ignorant attitude at all.
I didn't bother to read anything pas
Either start taking the game seriously, or go out and actually live your ****ing life.
You're aware that a Jiggs won the last major Melee tournament right? I hope your post was a joke... Brawl is going to be more imbalanced than Melee.Brawl, to me is much MUCH more balanced than Melee. In Melee you would need to be Falco, Fox, Marth, C. Falcon, Peach Sheik... To be able to beat people, the rest of the characters like G&W, Jiggly, Kirby, weren't that good or even considered for tournaments.
Now, take a look at Brawl, we have the Spacies: Fox, Falco and Wolf, all great characters, we have Toon Link, Olimar, Zelda/Sheik, DK, Didd Kong, D3, Marth, Metaknight, Kirby, Bowser, Snake, Sonic, ROB, Pikachu... Hell, it's easier to name the bad players rather than the good ones. Brawl is much more balanced than Melee in my opinion, Haven't you notied the difficulty in choosing a main? I for one was a FOX ONLY user from N64 to Melee, right now I'm using Fox, Diddy, Pikachu, Wolf, Falco and learning a thing or two about the others.
i doubt it, infinite air dodging AND infinite ground dodging, every character can dodge anythingYou're aware that a Jiggs won the last major Melee tournament right? I hope your post was a joke... Brawl is going to be more imbalanced than Melee.
Can you provide the link?this could all change, however... but i do not believe that brawl will have many balancing issues... and on the plus side, it seems that they are actually using the wiiconnect24 to patch balancing problems (read thread on differences between US/Japan releases).
What is this Megaman? Megaman has a rock-paper-scissor effect as well. In Melee it wasn't like that. Sure Link has the disadvantage against Fox but it's not like you couldn't win if the Fox didn't know what it was doing. That was based on Skill.Gameplay is tricky. Tripping is very horrible and there's no way to stop it from happening. follow a combo, trip, KOed. It seriously can be that fast. The problem with character balance is (A) it has a rock-paper-scissors effect where certain characters have obvious advantages to others
Money match? You live close enough to me..i doubt it, infinite air dodging AND infinite ground dodging, every character can dodge anything
so its not a matter of which character is better, its which person can dodge the best
i beat the so called "best 1on1s" (pit/rob) with the so called "worst 1on1s" (yoshi/ganon) all the time, im top 10 in smashbrawlrankings because all you have to do is DODGE!
last time i checked good players typically use more than one character in the game, so how does this take away from skill?What is this Megaman? Megaman has a rock-paper-scissor effect as well. In Melee it wasn't like that. Sure Link has the disadvantage against Fox but it's not like you couldn't win if the Fox didn't know what it was doing. That was based on Skill.
If Brawl is going to be like Megaman then Meta and Snake will just be winning the entire Brawl tournaments. ...The worst things is that the top characters are just that much better than whatever the lower characters have like Link or even Yoshi.
Because those players will just use who ever is winning. Like in MvC2, most of them are "god" tiers or high "tiers". Why? Because the rest are looked down upon. It's the same thing with Brawl right now, there isn't a define line where the meta game goes either way. It only goes one way and that's not cool. What I am trying to say here is this, most of the upper characters in Brawl are going to have a serious advantage than the lower characters. There fore skill won't be as needed now you make ask why?last time i checked good players typically use more than one character in the game, so how does this take away from skill?
i'm not sure what has been said in the other 30 or so pages of this thread, but this post was especially telling for me.Hey, someone reliable.
Keep in mind that the cast is larger. Also, balance is not only important in how many characters can be picked up and have a decent chance in placing high at a tournament (a number higher than some people seem to think in Melee but then again, I play PAL) but also in how big the differences are between the Good Ones and the Bad Ones.
I mean, maybe 10 characters now have a chance of winning a tournament. Meanwhile, the 21 others pretty much don't stand a chance against said 10 characters unless they have a specific favourable matchup against one or two of them or the opponents screw up big-time. That's also a balance issue, for instance. A similar one is that there's a 5-man Top Tier and a 5-man High Tier. The gap between the Tops and the Highs is palpatable but can be overcome. The gaps between each subsequent tier is at least as palpatable or even moreso. In the end, the gap between Top and Bottom is huge. Huge as in "Not in a million years".
I mean, in Melee, there were tiers and really, really bad matchups. But even the Low Tiers could win against the Tops and Highs depending on the matchup. Most matchups were obviously an uphill battle but it's not like all Low Tier characters had Sheik vs. Bowser against the higher tiers (especially not in PAL).
And Marth just breaks all rules altogether.
What do you want me to say? "sorry for not being up-to-date with tournaments"? My post was MY opinion. There are always people who know how to play with a certain character, underpowered or not, to an extent that leaves us speechless, yet who are the top names of Melee? Marth, Fox, Falco users (and some others who I don't need to mention). The balance in Brawl is much greater than it was in Melee, there's no point discussing this in my opinion, it's something that me and ALL my friends who are Melee and Brawl players have noticed.You're aware that a Jiggs won the last major Melee tournament right? I hope your post was a joke... Brawl is going to be more imbalanced than Melee.
You mean Fast and Heavy, fast and light doesn't work.Melee's best characters were all fast and light or medium-weight characters (Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth), while Brawl's have a variety of weights.